Scientology the koolaid factor

[missmoselle]

Ok, I have to get this out. What is with these people. How can they honestly believe this crap. I read this evening that Tom Cruise is goin after the makers of South Park (thought he would I saw the episode). He said supposibly that if they didn't stop showing this episode entitled Locked in the Closet. He would not promote MI:3. Big deal. The first one in my opinion was enough. Anywho, they believe that aliens are all over the earth in spirit form. How deep does your pocket book have to be to buy that. Don't they realize they fell for the biggest joke that L. Ron Hubbard and I believe it was Gene Roddenberry could come up with. These guys are laughing in hell at them. Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Elvis' daughter, and many other celebrities pay a lot of money in the courses they receive in this junk. Up to $5000.00. I am a Christian woman and I say this with much honesty and just plain cattiness . Don't you think that its time Tom Cruise served up the koolaid and got it over with already.

[Conveyor Belt]

Ok, I have to get this out. What is with these people. How can they honestly believe this crap.

I'm sure there are people who think the same thing about you. I say live and let live. If they want to spend their money on their belief, so be it. No one's telling you not to drop a $20 in the collection plate/tithe envelope. It makes him happy and content.

You can say he's wrong, but truth is, no one really knows. Stranger things have happened.

[geezerjoe]

While I generally have a live and let live mentality, I get miffed by Issac Hayes' quitting South Park (or threatening to) because they made fun of his religion. It was fine when SP made fun of everyone else's religions, but HIS? Oooh no, we can't have that.

The hypocrisy is too much for me.

I DO admire how those people (Hayes and Cruise) are willing to fight for what they believe in, that seems to be missing in American culture in general today. I am upset that Christians are fair game but scientologists aren't.

[MSQueen]

i personally believe that cruise has a screw or two loose! i used to be one of his biggest fans until all of his latest shenanigans -- blasting brooke shields for taking prescription drugs for her post-partum depression, coming unglued on the Today Show with Matt Lauer, and who could forget -- the infamous "ninja jumping on the couch" on Oprah! the boy has totally "lost it"!!! he is 43 for goodness sake, and there he was acting like a 16 year old! it seems he is trying to totally control his wife, katie, and all issues surrounding her pregnancy and delivery (he doesn't want her to have any pain medication during delivery, he doesn't want her to go to a hospital for the birth, etc.). and -- HOW MANY BABIES HAS HE HAD??! the boy thinks he is "god/lord/master", whatever u may want to call it. now he is threatening to not promote MI3 if South Park airs the controversial episode about scientology. the sad thing is, that at least for last wednesday night's airing, it worked! (there is some sort of link between the owners of South Park and Viacom with the makers/backers ? of the MI3 film) i personally will not support his views or waste any of my money on any further endeavors by cruise, nor will i watch anything of his on television, etc. (other than things perhaps related to his current constant bizarre behavior) i really don't think i'm alone in my feelings, and i personally feel that he has lost a lot of his "draw" for his movies due to his recent antics. at least, i certainly hope so! it is apparent to me that he is not the same tom cruise that i used to love to watch and admire. he has turned into someone i am embarrassed for. what a waste of a human being!!

[Conveyor Belt]

While I generally have a live and let live mentality, I get miffed by Issac Hayes' quitting South Park (or threatening to) because they made fun of his religion. It was fine when SP made fun of everyone else's religions, but HIS? Oooh no, we can't have that.

The creators of SP still haven't apologized, and agree with you:
``South Park'' co-creator Matt Stone told the Associated Press Monday, ``This is 100 percent having to do with his faith of Scientology. . . . He has no problem -- and he's cashed plenty of checks -- with our show making fun of Christians.'' In November, ``South Park'' targeted the Church of Scientology. Stone said he and co-creator Trey Parker ``never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we did Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own and, to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin.''

However, they'll still go on pushing the religion buttons.


I am upset that Christians are fair game but scientologists aren't.

Everyone is fair game. Have you forgotten the Muslim riots a month ago over a cartoon? All of the Jewish jokes? Christians dish it out against groups they recognize as abominations, daily. It's okay to call a pagan a devil worshipper, and make fun of witches, but leave Christianity alone. Every year when Halloween rolls around, here come the Christian pitchforks. You cannot say that Christians do not dish it out.

Who's bordering on hypocrisy now?

[geezerjoe]

Everyone is fair game. Have you forgotten the Muslim riots a month ago over a cartoon? All of the Jewish jokes? Christians dish it out against groups they recognize as abominations, daily. It's okay to call a pagan a devil worshipper, and make fun of witches, but leave Christianity alone. Every year when Halloween rolls around, here come the Christian pitchforks. You cannot say that Christians do not dish it out.

Who's bordering on hypocrisy now?

... :smt012

I was trying to say that I'm upset at the hypocrisy of one person making fun of Christians while his own religion is "untouchable". When _I_ act this way then please point it out to to me, otherwise don't begin to suggest that I practice such an ugly act.

I'm not threatened when SP or even my friends make fun of Christians. When it gets too much to stand I say something to the person in question, but their comments don't threaten me. I'm sure when other people say things anti-nonChristian I'm probably a little more blind to the potential insults, but I'm pretty forgiving to begin with and generally ignore such behavior. When someone says or does something anit-nonChristian that's over the line, again I try to say something because as a people we sure as heck aren't going to progress spiritually by trying to tear each other down. (That fits with a lot of politics too, but that is totally off topic). I'm personally getting sick and tired of everyone else's religions being off limits but Christians just have to suck it up because ... well the are Christian.

[Conveyor Belt]

I was trying to say that I'm upset at the hypocrisy of one person making fun of Christians while his own religion is "untouchable". When _I_ act this way then please point it out to to me, otherwise don't begin to suggest that I practice such an ugly act.

I took your last sentence to be in general, although I can see now that it can be read to the specific of Hayes. I was speaking in general throughout my reply, so please don't take it personally if it doesn't apply. However, if the shoe fits...


I'm personally getting sick and tired of everyone else's religions being off limits but Christians just have to suck it up because ... well the are Christian.

I am seeing this trend emmerge again. Christians love to play 'victim' to society. "Oh, poor us, we're being oppressed. Oh, poor us, someone's making fun of us. Oh, poor us, our members are being killed in a foreign country. Why do they hate Jesus? We just want to love everyone!" BS, BS, BS! No religion is perfect, and Christianity is right up there with them. During the inquisition, I'd be dead.

Just think of other religions as 3rd world, they're developing. They have to go through the same growing pains as Christianity. If you're getting tired of sucking it up, perhaps you should choose a religion that supports you more. After all, Jesus said to turn the other cheek. :)

[geezerjoe]

I am seeing this trend emmerge again. Christians love to play 'victim' to society. "Oh, poor us, we're being oppressed. Oh, poor us, someone's making fun of us. Oh, poor us, our members are being killed in a foreign country. Why do they hate Jesus? We just want to love everyone!" BS, BS, BS! No religion is perfect, and Christianity is right up there with them. During the inquisition, I'd be dead.

I'm not playing the part of the victim, I'm just frustrated with someone's obvious hypocrisy. I've never suggested that I thought any one approach to the spiritual life is the perfect one. Finally during the inquisition you'd only be dead if you were in Spain. <feigned sarcasm>Luckly for all of us that wasn't the case.</feigned sarcasm> ;)

Just think of other religions as 3rd world, they're developing. They have to go through the same growing pains as Christianity. If you're getting tired of sucking it up, perhaps you should choose a religion that supports you more. After all, Jesus said to turn the other cheek. :)

Bill Hicks would be proud. My original post was going to include "because they'll forgive you" at the end but that wasn't my point. In this instance I'm miffed by one person's hypocrisy and it's impact on a show that I enjoy, and a general trend that I see and hope doesn't continue.