Red Bailey announces resignation

[gilgamesh]

Red Bailey resigns effective Sep 1 due to health. What happens now? Special election?

[Hubcityeagle]

sounds to me like that preacher might run now!!! NOT!!!!!

[543LISTguy]

O.K. Hubby Baby....what happens now?
Fill us in on when an election would be held and who the likely suspects will be...:smt102

[lamarrebel]

Ok, I'll give the other two 10K....is that fair?

Andrew Ellard, Rink Russell, and Brian Lucas might run against (both ran as Republicans last year). Jerome Brown, who ran as a Democrat and was Fairley's other hope for a third vote, might run as well.

There certainly could be others. If I recall from the Joseph Jones case in Laurel, the City Council will set the date of the special election.

[gilgamesh]

No, it's cool. I don't have a clue what those or for and couldn't care less about finding out! Just wanted to see what the reaction would be. Even though I am a staunch democrat and there was a time when I would have supported Jerome (I think he is a good guy) I hope the candidates on the other side don't dilute their vote. I would be afraid Jerome might fall under too much Fairley damaging influence.

[wilebill]

Please don't tell me that by statute Dupree has to call a special election in a reasonable amount of time. :smt070

[noway]

OMGosh..... Remember what I said about wynn will be here until duprees last day in office.. Guess what this even makes it more of a done deal.. Jerome Brown if he runs will win the seat and its over.. Im not for sure what happens now on the lawsuit.. :smt102 Maybe someone will help us out with that.. But you know when Jerome Brown gets in there Dupree will put the department heads up and guess what 3-2.. Fairley drops his lawsuit, the city hall burglary is solved and the Great City of Hattiesburg Moves forward.. So you know what..

GET THE f OUT.... see ya

[lamarrebel]

Jerome (not Jackson) Brown only got 30 percent of the vote against two white candidates (Red Bailey and Andrew Ellard) in the General Election last year. I don't think a Brown victory is anywhere close to a done deal as you say it is, Noway.

[noway]

Hubba, I disagree.. Why did Red Run Independent? Because he needed both the white and black votes. If he ran republican he couldn't get the few black votes he needed.
If I remember Andrew Ellard knocked of Rink Russell and Brian Lucas.. Jerome knocked off Rick James.. While Red sat back and watched. Then when the general came along nobody knew who do vote for so they voted for Red Bailey (INC).. A democrat will win that seat hands down..

Screw the precentages... Fairley will get someone elected in that ward no matter what... Now he doesn't have to wait 3 years

Fuzzis lives in that ward.. Lets get her to run.. wait a minute what the heck am i thinking

[gilgamesh]

I just spit wine all over my keyboard! We are in big trouble if that is the case.

[politically incorrect]

Don't hold me to this, because I have not checked the statute, but I believe a special election will have to be called within 60 days of his resignation. I believe the mayor can appoint a temporary replacement to fill that spot on the council until the election is held.

[nooskye]

Yet another of my retarded questions ....

Does it have to necessarily be a politician who seeks this chair or can an everyday joe run for it??

[politically incorrect]

Sorry to post back-to-back, but the Mayor can now appoint someone temporarily, give himself a majority on the Council and submit his department heads for a vote. Once approved, it will not matter who wins the special election and the lawsuit will be moot. How about that?

[politically incorrect]

I posted this on one of the other threads, but I will add it here. What if the Mayor can appoint a replacement until the special election? Didn't they do that in Laurel? If so, Johnny DuPree can put whomever he pleases in, submit his department heads and get them approved, then the lawsuit is moot and it will be a done deal regardless of who wins.

[gilgamesh]

Here is what the MS Code says. So, there must be a special election soon, if I read this correctly.

§ 23-15-857. Appointments to fill vacancies in city, town, or village offices; elections to fill such offices; procedure where no person or only one person has qualified as candidate.


(1) When it shall happen that there is any vacancy in a city, town or village office which is elective, the unexpired term of which shall not exceed six (6) months, the same shall be filled by appointment by the governing authority or remainder of the governing authority of said city, town or village. The municipal clerk shall certify to the Secretary of State the fact of such appointment, and the person or persons so appointed shall be commissioned by the Governor.
(2) When it shall happen that there is any vacancy in an elective office in a city, town or village the unexpired term of which shall exceed six (6) months, the governing authority or remainder of the governing authority of said city, town or village shall make and enter on the minutes an order for an election to be held in such city, town or village to fill the vacancy and fix a date upon which such election shall be held. Such order shall be made and entered upon the minutes at the next regular meeting of the governing authority after such vacancy shall have occurred, or at a special meeting to be held not later than ten (10) days after such vacancy shall have occurred, Saturdays, Sundays and legal holidays excluded, whichever shall occur first. Such election shall be held on a date not less than thirty (30) days nor more than forty-five (45) days after the date upon which the order is adopted.

Notice of such election shall be given by the municipal clerk by notice published in a newspaper published in the municipality. Such notice shall be published once each week for three (3) successive weeks preceding the date of such election. The first notice to be published at least thirty (30) days before the date of such election. Notice shall also be given by posting a copy of such notice at three (3) public places in such municipality not less than twenty-one (21) days prior to the date of such election. One (1) of such notices shall be posted at the city, town or village hall. In the event that there is no newspaper published in the municipality, then such notice shall be published as provided for above in a newspaper which has a general circulation within the municipality and by posting as provided for above. In addition, the governing authority may publish such notice in such newspaper for such additional times as may be deemed necessary by the governing authority.

[noway]

Yet another of my retarded questions ....

Does it have to necessarily be a politician who seeks this chair or can an everyday joe run for it??

anybody can run..... So any ward 4 residents on myhattiesburg? How about myhattiesburg.com endorsements?

[justme]

Red is my council person I think. Or he used to be. I live downtown. That can lead to trouble. I can't get on lexis nexis from home - I will try to remember to look this up later. There are some people in my neighborhood that have run in the past-IE Rink Russell was his opponent in the election. Maybe he could take his place.

[justme]

So the likely canidates are Ellard, Russell and Brown.

Here are some of my observations. Andrew Ellard is young and unknown at the time of the last election. Since that time I have seen him at the down town associaton meetings and making his way into more public things. Brian Lucas is also young, and since the election I have not seen him doing anything additional to get his name out.

Rink Russell has a business that he has been running, I know that he is involved in stuff, but I am not sure what all he has been doing.

Personally, I know and and respect Rink- I supported him the first time. I think there were too many canidates. I think the area needs to call meetings and pick the best republican canidate to go against Mr. Brown.

Is this the same Mr.Brown that recently wrote the letter to the HA?

[ynotme297]

the limo's and taxies, will be runnin full blast no matter who runs. red will surley be replaced by a fairley pick. mark my words. god i hope i'm wrong

[ConservativeRepublican]

Let us be realistic. The ward will indeed favor a Democrat in a partisan election. Once again, I agree with the Doc, in its current state the Hattiesburg City Council is no place for a political novice.

Unless a well known Republican community activist runs for this office, you better consider it a Dupree majority in the very near future.

[IGID]

If you think Hattiesburg is bad now, wait till Fairley and company control the council. I'll say it again, welcome to Jacksonburg.

[Bahlk]

That came as a shock to me. Didnt see that coming

[HubCityMan1912]

What about Mrs. Jerry Martin? She ran for the seat in 1989, has since served as longtime Hattiesburg district office director for Congressman Gene Taylor, has a close relationship/alignment with Mr. Bailey, and--like him--she's no political "lightweight"...(She says what she means, and means what she says!)

[Bahlk]

I know her and she would be a great asset to the city council.

[daisy]

I was sorry to hear he resigned > He seemed to be a concerned and dedicated servant watching out for his ward.

I hope and pray the above is not true that ynotme 297 said..

I wish Mr. Bailey well.

[JB2379]

I think Fairley is going to make a strong run to put one of his folks in that seat, but I don't think its going to happen. I honestly see Russell or Ellard securing that seat. But it's time for the people in that area to start speaking out, because If Red does indeed resign, we will definitely need another strong-minded individual to step up in his place. This can be done if people use thier resources, connections, and abilities to secure that seat. Because if one of Fairley's goons are put in that position, this city will definitely collapse.

[R1ZOOM]

I go to church with Andrew and have atteneded Sunday School with him. Don't let his young age be a deterrent to supporting him. He stands strong in his convictions, and is very well educated. I think he would make an excellent councilman. I don't live in the city, but I will definately endorse Andrew in any way I can. He is the real deal and will not be blinded by any of the smokescreens that so frequently cloud city hall. I am also concerned though that the limos and buses will be running the roads nonstop with Fairley and crew trying to plant Fairley another puppet.

[sidelinetolong]

This is about the worst thing that can happen to Hattiesburg at this time. IMO, if you run for a position and get elected, you should fulfill the term of that position. I do not know the extent of Mr Baileys health but the kitchen is about as hot as it will ever get. This could effect the direction of our city for ever.

[justme]

There is already efforts to secure the Ward 4 seat with a non- Fairley realted canidate. I have spoken with many people already and I know of a neighbor who is running but I cannot say who until it is publicly release. I received an e-mail before midnight last night, but I am not sure how or when it will be "public" knowledge. I have been e-mailing with other neighbors today to discuss the current situation and what we can do to protect our neighborhood and our city. Action is being taken swiftly.

[IGID]

It better be or Hattiesburg can be a little Jackson/Atlanta before we know it. The future of this city, as we know it, ride on this.

[Sir Mickey Mouse]

This is about the worst thing that can happen to Hattiesburg at this time. IMO, if you run for a position and get elected, you should fulfill the term of that position. I do not know the extent of Mr Baileys health but the kitchen is about as hot as it will ever get. This could effect the direction of our city for ever.


I usually firmly agree that a person who gets elected should stay until the last day, but I don't believe Red Bailey is the sort who would duck and run from a hot kitchen... He wouldn't be resigning unless he absolutely had to. Trust me, he knows what state the city could reach if a Fairley crook gets into that office.

[lamarrebel]

Andrew Ellard is too young and inexperienced in my opinion for this mess...

Andrew Ellard is a nice guy, but I agree he is probably a bit green, especially at this time. I have already heard complaints from a couple since the election that DuPree has appointed him to several committees, which makes you wonder a bit about his position on the department heads. Rink Russell ran mostly on one issue: criticism of the convention center and its money management.

I'm not sure that Red Bailey derived significant black support at all against Jerome Brown last year, especially given his strong criticism of the DuPree administration. It may be that the African American vote total is just a little over 30 percent (or at least at the time of last year's council election)

[wilebill]

Rink Russell ran mostly on one issue: getting rid of the convention center.
That was absolutely NOT Rink's position on the LTCC. It was accountability of the people who run LTCC and their use of tax dollars to support it.

I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate this misinformation being posted here, either.

[SoMissTV]

Hub-

Have you even spoken to Rink regarding this issue? It would be wise for you to refrain from opening your mouth until you have a full comprehension of the issues. Seeing as how Rink is in the hospitality industry, it is utterly asinine to jump to the illogical conclusion that you have made. Wilebill is correct; the issue isn't with the convention center, but the form in which it is managed.

[lamarrebel]

Ok...If I am incorrect, I apologize. My information came from a fellow political activist who followed that particular race closer than I, couple with what I vaguely remember of critical statements of how LTCC has been managed. I've never met Rink Russell, but simply remember his radio ads on Supertalk.

I don't see a Fairley puppet winning unless people in Woodley and Camp lay down and don't vote. I think most voters in the Oaks, etc. know full well that the stakes are too high to allow that to happen

[R1ZOOM]

I wonder if Red's home in Purvis has anything to do with his decision. It's been an issue of disagreement in recent news, and I wonder if he is ready to move there now. From my understanding, which this is strictly "what I've heard" with no factual basis, the house is new. Maybe he has decided it's time to move out of the city too, and knows the problems this will cause. Before all of the unrest he probably could have quietly moved out there and maintained his home in Hattiesburg and stayed there some in order to maintain his residency under the radar, but in light of recent events that is no longer possible. Just ideas...

[justme]

I wonder if Red's home in Purvis has anything to do with his decision. It's been an issue of disagreement in recent news, and I wonder if he is ready to move there now. From my understanding, which this is strictly "what I've heard" with no factual basis, the house is new. Maybe he has decided it's time to move out of the city too, and knows the problems this will cause. Before all of the unrest he probably could have quietly moved out there and maintained his home in Hattiesburg and stayed there some in order to maintain his residency under the radar, but in light of recent events that is no longer possible. Just ideas...

I honestly believe it is his health. It was mentioned along with many other of my neighbors health at a recent board meeting... I don't think Red would give up so easily.

[SoMissTV]

Ok...If I am incorrect, I apologize.

How about you find out the truth, and then edit your original post accordingly? You shouldn't be spreading rumors and lies about a potential candidate's campaign platform, especially when it's a fellow republican.

To repeat: Either find out the truth and revise your post, or delete it entirely.

[TheKing]

this is informal web based conversation

not a deposition

he qualified his statement...

relax and pull your boxers out of your crack

[SoMissTV]

this is informal web based conversation

not a deposition

he qualified his statement...

relax and pull your boxers out of your crack


Informal doesn't have to mean inaccurrate.

[lamarrebel]

I would agree...I, of all people, would certainly hope that people do not base their decision on whom to vote for solely on what they read on here. My statement concerning Mr. Russell was not an indication of how I might vote if I lived in Ward 4, but just a concern that other(s) had raised.

[lamarrebel]

Fair enough.

Hubbarrister is a democrat.

If I am incorrect, I apologize.


Fair enough

SoMissTV, TheDoc, Fuzzis, Wayward and a few others are outspoken political opponents of hubbarrister and have an agenda to that end.

If I am incorrect, I apologize.

[wilebill]

this is informal web based conversation

not a deposition

he qualified his statement...

relax and pull your boxers out of your crack
Well, "TheKing", I was pretty upset with his statement too, coming from a self-professed "expert" in politics, especially Republican politics. It brings into question his entire credibility on such matters when he spouts out irresponsible crap like that. I never really questioned his knowledge about politics but this throws it into a whole different light.

A lot of people read this forum, not just the registered members, or haven't you noticed that? And he didn't "qualify" his statement, he was called on the accurateness of it and only admitted that he might have made a mistake then.

I know Rink Russell and to put words in his mouth by someone in any kind of media, no matter how trivial you think it may be, is just not right.

[SoMissTV]

Fair enough

SoMissTV, TheDoc, Fuzzis, Wayward and a few others are outspoken political opponents of hubbarrister and have an agenda to that end.

If I am incorrect, I apologize.

How are theDoc and I political opponents of you if we are conservative republicans. Have you switched parties?

Hey everyone! Hubba just said he's a Democrat.

[TheKing]

Informal doesn't have to mean inaccurrate.

I'll leave it to you to point out every inaccuracy on the board. God knows there is a bunch...good luck with that.

I am quite certain youve laid down some inaccurate information in your time here.

Anybody who would believe any and everything you(or anybody) say deserves to yield the fruits that your misinformation yielded them.

Give those boxers one more good tug, your ass will thank you.

[lamarrebel]

No, I haven't switched parties...but I think any objective reading of the posts on here would confirm my statement. People can be Republicans and fight (ask LJD and Betsy Rowell or Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush in 1988).

[SoMissTV]

To clarify: I have no agenda with you. I have a problem with your self-aggrandizing statements that seem to give a pat on the back to your "secret identity", your implied authority in matters of politics (which you aren't, apparently), your dismissal of Hattiesburg as an evil place, and your belief that anyone who doesn't believe EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS AS YOURSELF is a political opponent. I don't care about hurting you or making you look bad, I just want to make sure this board has accurate and timely information (which seems to be something you were incapable of doing on the OG thread, and now this one).

Just don't speak lies, and we'll be fine.

If I am incorrect, I don't apologize. It's my opinion.

[gilgamesh]

OK, back to Red...he is definitely very ill. He told several in a group, me included, at a reception two weeks ago, that he had gone to the hospital and coded on the exam table and had to be shocked. He has been hospitalized again since that time. I guess that would qualify for ill enough to resign. This b.s. certainly isn't worth dying over.

[SoMissTV]

Well, I certainly hate to hear that. Red's a good guy; I've always respected his decision-making process, even if I didn't agree with the decisions.

[lamarrebel]

I agree. I have always admired Red's honest, no sugar coating, approach to issues. He has called them as he's seen them, and I have no doubt that health is the only reason he is leaving. He's too much of a fighter to step down otherwise.

SoMiss, I do not hate Hattiesburg or think that it is an evil place. I simply, like many, have a real issue with the direction it is now going. And, like the founding fathers believed we'd be better off independent rather than being a collection of British colonies, I have tried to argue that the Oak Grove area would be better off with its own leaders, city government, and ordinances, and that is should claim its own piece of the commercial pie out here.

[noway]

The HA reported that nobody can appoint someone to fill the seat until an election is held.. Eddie Myers said the dates of election could be around the first of October..

I wonder how the voter turnout will be for a special election..

Here is an update (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060711/NEWS01/60711011)

[bartspoon]

Red is resigning because of health reasons. IT is a wonder that he is still with us considering his high blood pressure and the stress he is under. Red cares deeply about this ward and this town. You can be assured that he is not the kind of man who leaves before the job is done. But he is no good to anyone if he dies trying to save our city. He is the strongest fighter for the little man or woman I have ever known. Not once in his term in office has he not helped me and my neighbors when we ask him to. He has worked tirelessly for ward 4 and has been given little praise for it.

Red is the kind of representitive who will come to your house and talk to you about what needs to be done. I had trouble in the past with loud music and new neighbors who did not realize what would not be tolerated in our neighborhood. I called Red and the police, Red was at my house before the police and when they got there he instructed them as to the law and stood there while the police explained it to the new neighbor. The problem (which could have very easily gotten completely out of hand, and made our quite neighborhood unbearable) was solved and now the neighbors understand that bad behavior will not be tolerated and they are good neighbors who blend in with the rest of us. Like it should be. Afterall must of my neighbors have lived here for years and love our neighborhood.

I have to admitt that losing Red is devastating to us , but his health is more important than anything else . He has become a good freind to all of us and has always been there for us no matter what we needed.

I trust Red, and i will go with the person that Red endorses, That person is Dave Ware (i think that is how it is spelled). Anyone who knows Dave knows he is a good honest man who cares deeply about his neighborhood. He is also a highly intellegent person with a desire to serve.

I hope yall will take a look at him. He understands the critical place our city is in, and will do his best to continue the hard work Red has done. Like Red he is interested in what the people in the ward think. And what he can do to help.

In the election all candidates will compete in one primary, and if no one has more than 50 percent the run off will be between the two who get the most votes. all the Dems, and Reps. and independents will run at the same time.

I have lived in ward 4 in two differendt locations all my life and no one is more conserned about its future than myself. I ask you to consider Dave because i believe he will do the best job. thanks

And remember we have to get people out to vote. THAT HAS BEEN OUR PROBLEM... We cannot afford to lose this one. It will determine the future more than any vote. Fairley said "give me one more seat on the council and i will show you how to run a city". we know exactly how he will run the city. Right into the ground. So lets get the votes out. thanks again.

[justme]

Yea - I guess it is public now. So I also know Dave and I am thrilled that he is running. I just hope that Rink won't split the vote and make neighbors decide who to vote for. Dave only wants what is best for the neighborhoods in Ward 4 and for the City of Hattiesburg. I am glad to hear that Red has endorsed him.

[lamarrebel]

I don't know Dave Ware, but am certainly interested in hearing what he has to say. Tell us some about his background.

[Wayward]

Fair enough

SoMissTV, TheDoc, Fuzzis, Wayward and a few others are outspoken political opponents of hubbarrister and have an agenda to that end.

If I am incorrect, I apologize.
Sorry to perpetuate this side bar to the real thread but this is really an interesting, and typical, Hubba moment. And I accept your apology, Hubba, because you are absolutely off the mark.

I have zero political agenda with respect to you. Actually, I've never had any political involvement with you ... in the classic sense of you running for something. In myHattiesburg reality, you're a screen name, an alias, a figment of the imagination. So please tell me how I could possibly be an "outspoken political opponent of hubbarrister." Or are we really talking about someone else?

I do have a serious problem when you (the screen name, the alias, the figment) post erroneous, hearsay, or incomplete information with the tone and conviction of an expert. It can be misleading to folks who have not been myHattiesburg Citizens long enough to insert the Hubba filter.

I'll certainly admit taking you on ... but only to set the record straight. As I'm sure you recall, it goes back to some egregious comments you made following the Lamar County School Bond passage ... and continues through this thread.

wilebill called you on this statement:


Rink Russell ran mostly on one issue: getting rid of the convention center.

And to your credit, you have now edited it to read:

Rink Russell ran mostly on one issue: criticism of the convention center and its money management.

But it's typical Hubba. Stating as fact an incorrect hearsay comment. Considering who hubbarrister (or the mentor of hubbarrister) wants to become, you should be more careful with your remarks.

Rink is a personal friend. His concerns come with some areas of LTCC management and policies as they impact the regional hospitality businesses. And his campaign was not a one trick pony.

He and his family have a deep feeling for and a heavy investment in downtown Hattiesburg ... continued development support for the downtown area is high on his agenda. You need to know 'em before you whack 'em, Hubba.

[fuzzis]

I've said before that hubba is careless with his words. One would think that as a "barrister" and his future aspirations, he would understand the importance of being precise...

fuzzis

[noway]

IMO some of you disagree or jump on hubba for evey little thing he says.. Everyone on here including me say certian things that could be turned around and made to come across negative.. People have spoken for this Dave Ware guy on myhattiesburg.com and Im hope its all correct..

[Wayward]

IMO some of you disagree or jump on hubba for evey little thing he says.. Everyone on here including me say certian things that could be turned around and made to come across negative.. People have spoken for this Dave Ware guy on myhattiesburg.com and Im hope its all correct..
At 4,198 posts, it's hard to jump on everything that Hubba says. :confused:

Hey, that's almost as many post's as you, noway. But I run your stuff through a different filter. :)

[Booshay]

I also live in Red's ward...I really think the ward will go down hill some once he leaves. I'm sure its possible we could get a good Councilman or Councilwoman, but I doubt anyone will ever be as hardcore and dedicated as Red is. He may say something once in awhile to rile everyone up, but in the end....he has the wards best interest at heart.

[R1ZOOM]

According to today's HA Red is retiring for health reasons, and, as I said in a previous post, to move to his new house in Purvis.

[ConservativeRepublican]

Mr. Ware appears to be heir apparent for this position. With Mr. Baileys endorsement, I believe he can secure this seat on the council.

[Kitty]

Mr. Ware appears to be heir apparent for this position. With Mr. Baileys endorsement, I believe he can secure this seat on the council.

Possibly, unless there's a "Betsy Rowell / Lee Jarrell Davis" situation that would split the vote.

For that very reason, IMO the residents of Ward Four need to band together to support (and go vote for) a single candidate. Otherwise...

[OLDLADY]

May i put an opinion in this? I don not live in city limits and can not vote, but my heart is truly with everyone in city limits. But as strong as this board is and as much info that comes from this website...eveyone needs to really help during this time....maybe start a thread for suggestions or something along those lines? Need to get ALL heads together for the GOOD of Hattiesburg and work together. Need to find the right candicate and get everyone on board to support him/her. Need to maybe offer or volunteer rides to the voting polls? Need to offer or volunteer wherever and whenever you can to get the word out and work just as hard as any oppositon may in this election??? Just a suggestion and my opinion....Afterall, what happens with and in the "City of Hattiesburg" affects all of us!!!!

[Kitty]

Another potential Ward 4 candidate emerges (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060712/NEWS01/60712003)

As I posted earlier, I hope this isn't heading toward another "Rowell/Davis" situation.

Has the thought occurred to anyone that the Rev himself might put up a white candidate to split the vote?

[Seasoned Wanderer]

First and most important Jerome Brown is no protege of Reverand Fairley. He might have gotten elected last time but did not curry favor from the Fairley. He would be a great candidate.

If Rink Russel were to run he is a good man that would vote conscience and not racial line. The worst thing that could happen would be Dave Ware. He would split the vote as there are many in the neighborhood that have good reason not to trust the man. He has no experience politically which could be a plus but has proven to be a person that can not be trusted even by some who called him a friend.

I would hope that Dave would choose not to run as running for the seat might well accomplish just the opposite of what he wants. The fact that that old Dixiecrat Bailey might endorse him tells a lot about who he is. We need folks who are more progressive in thinking to move our city forward. Dave has used one political skill well in the past getting things done for himself by city workers and quite a coop in getting the Walthall building after 450 grand in tax money fixed the roof and outside. Now he will profit on Condos. Curious that was all done and completed a day or so before Red announced.

[58ford]

Seasoned wanderer, with out expressing an opinion myself I was wondering if you could clarify in what way you are using the term "dixiecrat" to refer to mr. Bailey.
Thanks

[Derrick B]

Red is a good man I lived near him in Hattiesburg till we moved to Petal...Always had a smile and tried to get me a job. The house in hattiesburg doesnt look that nice on the outside but Damn an indoor swmming pool ,cobblestone floors, brick fireplace very nice. I hope he enjoys retirement

[Wayward]

Seasoned wanderer, with out expressing an opinion myself I was wondering if you could clarify in what way you are using the term "dixiecrat" to refer to mr. Bailey.
Thanks
I think it's a very complex term (or label) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat) which should be used carefully.

[Seasoned Wanderer]

58 Ford sure. I was talking to a friend one day and told him back in the days when RED called himself a democrat that I thought the Redwas progressive. He replied, do you not know RED is a dixiecrat. A light came on!

That would be folks like the old politicians that were democrats yet a bit on the racist side. You know people like Old John Stennis, Ross Barnett folks like that who simply were afraid of people of color sharingany power.
Unfortunatel some of that thinking survives to this very day and those who have known RED and talked to him might know what I speak of.

No doubt he is a good man but one of a world gone by thankfully.

[Joelaw]

Ok so we have found whitey’s political party ( Dixiecrat ) check.
Here are the facts so far.
1. He/she most likely lives in Petal or Oak Grove. ( white flight )
2. He/she most likely works at conastoga (sp) stake house ( poor service possibly due to race )
3. He/she is most likely a Dixiecrat
the noose tightens. . . . .

[HubCityMan1912]

JoeLaw (and "Seasoned"): WHO/WHAT are your last "DixieCrat" posts about? Are you trying to unfairly stereotype Red Bailey, his would-be replacements--or ME? (In the last case I certainly hope not--since I aint but about 43% "white" my own self!)...Are the "DixieCrat" posts meant to be funny? OK, if so, but otherwise they seem rather smug/demeaning (especially "Season's")...Anyway, I reckon I'm slow, but I just didnt quite follow you on this one. Why dont you expound on this theme for further clarification. ("DixieCrat" always had a positive pro-State's Rights, pro-South, pro-American, pro-Christian, pro-Right, etc., perception/conotation to me, and a term I [at least formerly] referred to with "pride".)

[Joelaw]

JoeLaw (and "Seasoned"): WHO/WHAT are your last "DixieCrat" posts about? Are you trying to unfairly stereotype Red Bailey, his would-be replacements--or ME? (In the last case I certainly hope not--since I aint but about 43% "white" my own self!)...Are the "DixieCrat" posts meant to be funny? OK, if so, but otherwise they seem rather smug/demeaning (especially "Season's")...Anyway, I reckon I'm slow, but I just didnt quite follow you on this one. Why dont you expound on this theme for further clarification. ("DixieCrat" always had a positive pro-State's Rights, pro-South, pro-American, pro-Christian, pro-Right, etc., perception/conotation to me, and a term I [at least formerly] referred to with "pride".)


my post is a joke ( look to some of my other posts about hunting whitey { no its not ment towards anyone per say })
Mosty it pokes fun at people who expect whitey to jump out from behind every bush.
hope that clears thinks up for ya

[nooskye]

I think it's a very complex term (or label) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat) which should be used carefully.

I was a bit confused as to whether the Dixiecrat thing was a good or a bad … So I did some looking up … and this is what I found …
Dixiecrat (n.) – a member of a dissenting group of Democrats in the south who formed the States Rights Democratic Party in 1948 …. When President Truman and Hubert Humphrey attempted to continue out President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal Coalition … to include the formation of the Committee on Civil Rights and the Fair Employment Practices Committee … 35 southern Democrats walked out and formed the 1948 Democratic splinter party … (http://www.answers.com/topic/dixiecrat)

Here is the actual platform they ran (http://members.cox.net/polincorr1/platform.htm) …

Even if I agree with articles 2, 3 and 7 (if taken in the literal sense … not the implied one) I don’t believe that any one of us wants to go back to 1950 … we’ve grown so much since then and if the politicians can’t figure out how to bring Mississippi up to National Standards … then they need to watch Nicholas Cages “National Treasure” … yes, I realize the Declaration of Independence is the opposite of the Constitution … but the same simple explanation of our Founding Fathers intentions for this great nation are there … they are simple enough … perseverance and stability with out the fear of prejudice …

[justme]

First and most important Jerome Brown is no protege of Reverand Fairley. He might have gotten elected last time but did not curry favor from the Fairley. He would be a great candidate.

If Rink Russel were to run he is a good man that would vote conscience and not racial line. The worst thing that could happen would be Dave Ware. He would split the vote as there are many in the neighborhood that have good reason not to trust the man. He has no experience politically which could be a plus but has proven to be a person that can not be trusted even by some who called him a friend.

I would hope that Dave would choose not to run as running for the seat might well accomplish just the opposite of what he wants. The fact that that old Dixiecrat Bailey might endorse him tells a lot about who he is. We need folks who are more progressive in thinking to move our city forward. Dave has used one political skill well in the past getting things done for himself by city workers and quite a coop in getting the Walthall building after 450 grand in tax money fixed the roof and outside. Now he will profit on Condos. Curious that was all done and completed a day or so before Red announced.

It appears to me that you feel that Dave has wronged you in some way. Nothing I know about Dave would make me think that he is as you say. I presume you live in the neighborhood that he does, and have a beef with him regarding the condo development. Have you bothered to talk to him about the project? Also you need to know more about the subject you are talking about before you speak regarding the old Walthall school building. Are you sad you did not think of it first- and do you have the investors with millions to back up the project? You need to be more educated about something before you comment on something.

[justme]

I also know Rink- I think if he were to run- He would have announced by now. With Michael and Dave running the LAST thing we need is one more. And we have not heard from Ellard. If they all ran there would be 4 against Fairly's canidate...we need to meet and discuss these canidates... when they all decide what they are going to do. At this point the only person who has said FOR SURE they are running is Dave Ware.

[bartspoon]

First and most important Jerome Brown is no protege of Reverand Fairley. He might have gotten elected last time but did not curry favor from the Fairley. He would be a great candidate.

If Rink Russel were to run he is a good man that would vote conscience and not racial line. The worst thing that could happen would be Dave Ware. He would split the vote as there are many in the neighborhood that have good reason not to trust the man. He has no experience politically which could be a plus but has proven to be a person that can not be trusted even by some who called him a friend.

I would hope that Dave would choose not to run as running for the seat might well accomplish just the opposite of what he wants. The fact that that old Dixiecrat Bailey might endorse him tells a lot about who he is. We need folks who are more progressive in thinking to move our city forward. Dave has used one political skill well in the past getting things done for himself by city workers and quite a coop in getting the Walthall building after 450 grand in tax money fixed the roof and outside. Now he will profit on Condos. Curious that was all done and completed a day or so before Red announced.

Seasoned wanderer, sounds like you are wandering around making accusations without any substance. Just pointing an empty sleeve to compensate for some bitter feelings you might be harbouring serves no purpose here. This is a very important election, not only for ward 4 but for the entire city. And statements like yours are not only missleading but remind me of the shameful way the last mayoral race was plagued by innuendo and bitterness. You may have a beef with Dave Ware, but i can assure the readers of this thread that Dave and Red are above reproch when it comes to their integrity. They are both honest and above board in their dealings with people and I take issue with your insinuations.

In the future if you have something to say, be less vague in your wanderings and try to contribute something that will help move our city forward. Dave Ware has the most important criteria for being on the council, he is intelligent, he is honest, he cares deeply about the city, he is envolved in his neighborhood already, and he is very aware of the problems that our city faces. And like all of us wants to see our city reach its potential.

Forgive me if i seem a little agitated by your post, but until your post this discussion was civil and without those kinds of damaging insinuations with nothing to back them up. The important thing is our city getting the best person for the council, not some personal problem you have with someone.

[lamarrebel]

I'm not particulary concerned on the face of the number of candidates that run for the Council post. You can have a dozen candidates file papers and one Fairley candidate, and so long as that Fairley candidate doesn't get 50 percent (which they won't), you taken that candidate out in the runoff.

What can not happen, however, is that there be a divisive race in the first election. The worst thing that can happen is that there be bitter race like we witnessed last year with LJD and Betsy. So long as that is avoided, I think the Republic (in Hattiesburg) will still be somewhat safe until 2009.

[wilebill]

I sure hope your prediction is not like your Nagin prediction, or your OG prediction, or...

[Hub a Bubba]

To change the subject just slightly, but what would happen if.....In the time from Red stepping down and the election to replace him, the mayor presents his department heads? Could we have a 2 to 2 vote with the mayor voting to change a tie in order to approve department heads???

[TheKing]

if that didnt cause an uprising...i have no idea what would

[wilebill]

The mayor doesn't vote on council matters, does he?

[Conveyor Belt]

I thought the mayor did have a tie breaking vote in matters, if there were an even number of council people. I'm really not too familiar with the way the whole set up works, but does he have the same vote in the agenda setting meeting? I would hope that Naylor, who's flip flopping around on the issue, would at least not give the vote to have them on the agenda, that way it would be a non-issue.

[gilgamesh]

No, the Mayor does not get a vote in general matters of the council. In the event of a tie, the item is tabled until a majority vote can be achieved. There is only one case where the Mayor actually has a vote and it is pretty interesting. Here is that section of the statute. "The mayor may attend meetings of the council and may take part in discussions of the council but shall have no vote except in the case of a tie on the question of filling a vacancy in the council, in which case he may cast the deciding vote." Not sure how, if at all, that effects the Red situation.

[Hub a Bubba]

If there exist a vacancy on the council (after Red leaves and before a new person is elected) could Rev Fairley be put on the council as per above and then the department heads submitted?

[wilebill]

If there exist a vacancy on the council (after Red leaves and before a new person is elected) could Rev Fairley be put on the council as per above and then the department heads submitted?
I don't think that's what the mayor's vote would be for in the case cited above. Besides, Fairley doesn't live in the right ward.

[sackett22]

The Mayor cannot place someone on the council in the interim before the vote. MS State Law.

[Conveyor Belt]

No, the Mayor does not get a vote in general matters of the council. In the event of a tie, the item is tabled until a majority vote can be achieved. There is only one case where the Mayor actually has a vote and it is pretty interesting. Here is that section of the statute. "The mayor may attend meetings of the council and may take part in discussions of the council but shall have no vote except in the case of a tie on the question of filling a vacancy in the council, in which case he may cast the deciding vote." Not sure how, if at all, that effects the Red situation.

Thanks for the information. The way that could effect the situation is that the council has to vote to fill the vacancy. If two vote to hold a special election to fill it, and two vote against it, then the mayor can vote against it. Then, he can bring the department heads up for a vote, and it'll be a draw, so the question is, then what.

The question is does Dupree have enough confidence that the ward will swing in his favor or no.

[jmb]

It's official: Bailey resigns; election set for Aug. 22 (http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/NEWS01/60719004)

[Kitty]

I don't think that's what the mayor's vote would be for in the case cited above. Besides, Fairley doesn't live in the right ward.

His son could probably find him a house in Ward 4. At a good price, too.

[Kitty]

Has the thought occurred to anyone that the Rev himself might put up a white candidate to split the vote?

Could this be the one? (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/NEWS01/60719019)

[Maggie-Doodle]

VERY well could be! I know Roger was on several tv spots for Dupree and was one of his most staunch supporters! I live down the street from him and I know I WILL NOT be voting for him! As far as I am concerned he is way up Dupree's butt to the hilt!