DuPree and Carroll: Delay the Ward 4 Election

[Kitty]

Election Delay? (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060721/NEWS01/60721008)

[Maggie-Doodle]

Just another ploy to get more of the revs folks signed up...I am surprised that Carter went along with this...I would like to know the real reason...

[Expat in Korea]

Maggie, I agree something sounds fishy to me about this.

[B.T. Justice]

Not fishy, fish have spines. The problem here is Henry Naylor has no spine. He went MIA today!

[Maggie-Doodle]

As far as I am concerned, Henry is MIA EVEN when he is there! He doesn't seem to have a clue as far as I am concerned! I for one wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw city hall!

[daisy]

I agree with the above. Can't someone look at the new signees and make sure they meet criteria : address is in Ward 4 and that they're alive.

Also I've heard people need to count the people coming in to vote to make sure it works with the # of votes. Maybe I'm being overly cautious; no I think this is a swing gold mine. Someone that needs control and power of OUR!!!!!!! city could have a field day if conditions are right.

That's why ya'll suggested poll watchers etc;

[ShockandAwe]

Seems to me that speed to an election is on the side of Carroll, Bradley, Bailey since Ward 4 voting in the Mayoral election was at about the same level as Wards 2, 3 and 5. Aside from making it impossible for the Rev to register bogus voters (a friend who just registered to vote told me that the clerk at City Hall didn't even ask to see an ID - just fill in the paperwork with an address and you're registered) and to mount a campaign. As General Nathan Bedford Forrest said, "Git there firstus with the mostus."

[bartspoon]

I believe carter went along because a fight would have put the election off longer. They only got an extra week this way.

102 new people have registered. I checked the roles and there were 29 people registered on Timothy Lane. (that was a nice street once, now it is a getto) there are not that many folks on that street, i ride down it everyday. There are four houses uninhabited and one is college kids. Something is wrong there.

Think about it, if you have a house in the ward, any person can claim to live there with you. No one is going to check it out. and if later someone does you can just say i was living there when i registered. I guarantee that is goin on all over the ward. And I asked if there was anyway to find out if a registered voter was living at the address they gave, and was told no. Imagine that, there is no way we can check to see if someone is really a legitimate ward resident.

This just means we have to get more people registered. We all have to go get the registration forms and get the person to fill it in and take it to city hall. Any one you see who is not registered. Take it on your own to get them registerd. Esp. college students. I have register 3 living on my block and i will take them to the polls to vote their frist time. They are excited about it. I told them how important it was and what a great service they could do for the city. please don't just sit back and let unfairley beat us in registering voters or getting folks to the polls. We cannot underestimate his organization. we have to somehow out organize him. Or were doomed to live under his thumb.

[daisy]

Sign me up. I can live on Timothy Lane or at your house-for all they know. I'm in another ward. I can't remember if I showed id or not when I signed up to vote.

How can people organize?. Have you got pollwatchers in place for all 3 precincts? What about people at city hall--? I think Leprechaun mentioned that if anyone saw anything questionable to redord who,what,when and where and take it to an election commissioner not city hall officials. They have to work there.

L'chaun, help us out here PLEASE.

I understand this is sensitive so you can pm me or not. Just suggestions. Also, if you can make the times volunteers work so it's not so tiring or time draining--you may get a better response. Some of your retirees , people with days off, housewives or husbands who can get a few hours whatever would be helpful.

You could get some of your association people to do that or some people by word of mouth to do it. Good luck!

[B.T. Justice]

There are all claiming residence at the Hi-Hat 2000. The shooting Thursday was just a domestic dispute as a result of over-crowding!

I'm sure HPD will get it settled down.

[sackett22]

Just had someone ring my doorbell. They were holding about 1000 voter registration sheets. Wanted to see if I was registered to vote and to let me know that voting would be on the 29th. Now this person was black. Do you think Fairley is sending people out already, or could this just be something normal. I have never had anyone ring by doorbell to ask me to register to vote before. HMMMMMM

[Conveyor Belt]

Did you re-register under a different name?

[Conveyor Belt]

They're probably getting 1/2 an ounze per registered voter...

[Maggie-Doodle]

I have to question people going door to door giving out forms to register to vote. I thought you either had to go to city hall or call city hall and get a form via U.S. mail and that if that was the case, it had to be a sworn statement.... I think the legitimate people in Ward 4 need to start asking questions of the election commission and step up and volunteer to help them try and stamp out fraudulent voting in the upcoming election!

[fuzzis]

I registered to vote on the USM campus. A women's group on campus had a ton of forms, I filled one out, they turned it in.

eta according to the form on the secretary of state's website (http://www.sos.state.ms.us/elections/VoterRegistration/UpdatedVoterReg.pdf), the form needs to be filled out and mailed or hand-delivered to the county circuit clerk. Nothing about voter registration drives.

I wonder if Dave Ware's folks are out doing the same thing.

fuzzis

[noway]

Anybody can turn in voter registrations. If you want to sit out front of Walmart and get people to register you can.. IF you want to register someone in your family and sign for them you can.. Say my sister lives in Hooterville NC I could register her to vote and sign my name..

If my sister comes to town and votes then everything is cool. But if Jane Doe from Petal votes under her name then the DA could prosecute..

We need voter ID.. But the problem is 50 percent of the people in Hattiesburg do not have an ID..

I have never been a poll worker but I have stayed outside a voting precint and DAVE WARE must have people at every location and ones with balls enough to question or challenge votes.

I witnessed this myself during the mayors election. A supporter goes to door gets a poll worker, the poll worker brings ballot to car window, the voter marks the spot on the ballot, the poll worker goes back inside. The whole time that supporter is standing next to the car talking with the occupants.

I dont have time to but Someone that is running in this election or working for a candidate needs to get up to date on the laws or rules of working polls and really what is your right as a registered voter of Hattiesburg.. I have said before ANYONE can challange someones vote. Betsy's Camp did it but the 61 % was to much to overcome.

[fuzzis]

What the hell? Is it too hard to get out of the car and go in to vote? There's something really wrong with that idea.

fuzzis

[noway]

It was called curb side service.. The only problem I saw is the intimidation of the voter.. Thats against the law but if that person sitting in the car doesn't complain then no problem.

Supposely the voter has to be unable to walk or handicap.

if I walk up to you fuzzis wearing my hooters shirt or have a hooters girl standing next to me and I ask you to sign something supporting hooters.
What are you going to do?

[fuzzis]

It was called curb side service.. The only problem I saw is the intimidation of the voter.. Thats against the law but if that person sitting in the car doesn't complain then no problem.

Supposely the voter has to be unable to walk or handicap.

if I walk up to you fuzzis wearing my hooters shirt or have a hooters girl standing next to me and I ask you to sign something supporting hooters.
What are you going to do?

I'm thinking that if you can't physically get to the poll, then that's what an absentee ballot is for. And if you can get your butt in the car, then you can get inside the building to vote.

As for Hooters, it depends. I keep walking past lots of things I have no desire to support, regardless of who's there.

fuzzis

[sackett22]

I just had another group of people stop by my house wanting me to register to vote. As the first time the individuals were black and they wanted to let me know that they are endorsing Roger McDowell. So is this the guy that Fairley is backing???

[noway]

Thats the rumor sackett...

Sorry but Voter Registration is a sore subject with me..
I pulled a application and it states at the bottom.

"If applicant is unable to sign, the signature of the person who HELPED fill out this application is required"
So anyone can register anyone...:mad:

Warning: Fales registration is a felony. The penalty for conviction for false registration is imprisonment for not more than 5 years or a fine of not more than 5000 or both..

[Auburnfan]

What the heck is already going on? What can be done to stop Un-fairley and his crew? Seriously, can we all find a friend in Ward 4 and claim we live there long enough to vote in this election and then go back and say changed my mind, I'm going back to my old address. Can anyone look at these "new" voters and see if they are registered in any other Ward? City? County? or State for that matter? Why does the jerk always win? That so-called rev will manage to corrupt this too.

[wilebill]

Thats the rumor sackett...

"If applicant is unable to sign, the signature of the person who HELPED fill out this application is required"
So what the hell is the definition of "unable to sign"?

Dead?
Incarcerated?
Retarded?
Not a reasonable amount of time given?
My mayor is black and I'll do what I want?That's FU'd.

[Bee Line]

So what the hell is the definition of "unable to sign"?

Dead?
Incarcerated?
Retarded?
Not a reasonable amount of time given?
My mayor is black and I'll do what I want?That's FU'd. ALL the above!

[noway]

I could go on and on and on about how the voter registration works and the "fishy" things that happen during the city elections last year.

Im not blaming the election comission, the voter registration office, Im blaming the state of mississippi.

Everyone knows Stephanie Stephens right? Well last city election her name was on the voter rolls so I asked can she vote in this election? They said well techinally she could because she is on the list. Even though she was sentenced to life for murder?

She didnt vote and its not a big deal my point is the freaking state governemnt needs to get off their A$$ and fix it. But then the elected officlas in Jackson if they did make changes they might not get relelected.

Its called playing the system folkes using the laws in place and ways to get around them. Candidates that are FAIR lose elections candidates that are UNFAIR win elections and they are not going to change it.

[Maggie-Doodle]

SACKETT: YES, YES, YES!!!! This comes from a source in the know! As I posted previously he was in numerous WDAM campaign adds for Dupree during the first two mayoral elections!

[daisy]

I was told felons could not vote. Wouldn't Stephanie Stevens be that?

Noway, you said you could go on. We beg you to do so. We need to be aware of the other side's ways.

Wilebill, I laughed so hard when I read your suggestion of reasons people couldn't sign. No more REST IN PEACE for some people-heh?

[Bahlk]

Daisey, its true once your convicted of a felony, you lose the right to vote...that sure is gonna cut into the Rev's "bank of people" he brings to vote aint it.

[gilgamesh]

OK, perhaps ya'll missed it when I said this, but as the Mayor's former P.R. Director, I know how the other side works. First, Roger McDowell is a huge DuPree supporter, and I would bet my last penny that he is one of Fairley's candidates. However, do not believe that this is the only potential candidate they could support. There is another who is a much less obvious DuPree supporter who ran last time. I have beenout of town, so I don't know if he has said if he will run or not...or if the deadline has even passed.

Second, the other side organizes HUGE groups to go out every weekend and after hours to register voters. I did it myself. It is not only perfectly legal, but damn smart. If you go to those areas where you can reasonably expect voters to support your candidate. You should never underestimate the political fervor of the African American community. They can enlist the help of hundreds of church members to get things done. And they DO have people out on election day carrying people to the polls...again legal. They also have lists and phone numbers of those people who are registered and have said they will vote for their candidate. They will call every single one of those people and ask if they voted and if not, offer to carry them to the poll to vote. They get nursing home people registered, those in jail, they go down to where the drunks hang out and bring them to vote. You have to fight fire with fire if you are going to beat this group.

[kittykat]

I talked to Bradley today and the real story about
Friday is this----Naylor was told by his people to be unavailable for any meetings for Friday and Saturday. This will result in a financial problem for Naylor if he does. In other words--he will be cut off!
So the earliest we can have an election is 8-29 IF the council can get a quorum sometime this week.
Go Henry

[B.T. Justice]

Kitty- How do Henry's "people" benefit from his absense? Wouldn't they want him there to protect their interest?

[Kitty]

Kitty- How do Henry's "people" benefit from his absense? Wouldn't they want him there to protect their interest?

Just a point of clarification. "Kittykat" posted that comment.

"Kitty" and "Kittykat" are two different posters.

Apparently both have a fondness for felines....:cat:

[B.T. Justice]

Sorry Kitty, my question was indeed intended for KittyKat. I was hoping that KITTYKAT could clarify the discussion with Councilman Bradley.

[R1ZOOM]

Not that it is going to be an issue in this election, but isn't McDowell a democrat?

[forwhatsright]

Daisey, its true once your convicted of a felony, you lose the right to vote...that sure is gonna cut into the Rev's "bank of people" he brings to vote aint it.

Well...there are alot of things to consider...
1. Did your voter info get updated that you were now a felone? Who's checking?
2. You can absentee vote without being caught. No one's going to check.
3. With Fairley's tactics, anyone dead or alive can still vote!!!
4. Last election, people were promised a meal, given money, etc for agreeing to come to City hall to vote as an absentee ballot voter.
5. people voted twice, once as an absentee and then came to the polls. No one is checking.

When are the good people of Hattiesburg going to get up and realize that you have to fight fire with fire and do what it takes to get the right thing done?

I think that an outside entity such as someone from the State or federal level be allowed to monitor the voting activities that go on. But, then again, I'm sure that someone on that level can be bought by Fairley, Inc.

[Bahlk]

If you could put voter fraud under failey's column, the hits keep racking up

[gilgamesh]

[quote=forwhatsright]
5. people voted twice, once as an absentee and then came to the polls. No one is checking. quote]

Sorry, not true...the absentee votes are the last ones counted and each envelope is opened and checked against the voter roll for that day to see if the person voted. Representatives from both Rep. and Dem are watching and can challenge any questionable ballott.

[forwhatsright]

[quote=forwhatsright]
5. people voted twice, once as an absentee and then came to the polls. No one is checking. quote]

Sorry, not true...the absentee votes are the last ones counted and each envelope is opened and checked against the voter roll for that day to see if the person voted. Representatives from both Rep. and Dem are watching and can challenge any questionable ballott.

I meant as a different person, vote as one person absentee by showing id where I think it you are required to, then voting as a dead or moved away person at the poll since they don't check Id's.

[gilgamesh]

Ah, that might work. Course you would have to actually know a dead or moved away person who is actually still on the rolls. They do purge them occasionally.

[B.T. Justice]

If there is any truth to what I've read on this board about the registration process, there are fictitious people registering as we type. Is there a defense against this?

[nonnegotiable]

From what I have heard there isn't any defense to that. I am curious could I go register tho I don't live in Hattiesburg would they put me on the roll to vote on election day. Then state right at 7:08 that I do not live in Hattiesburg but I voted would anyone catch me!

[nonnegotiable]

Ah, that might work. Course you would have to actually know a dead or moved away person who is actually still on the rolls. They do purge them occasionally.

If you lived around those people or if they were family you would know if you purchased the information (city voter roll) from the city wouldn't you.

[kittykat]

Sorry Kitty, my question was indeed intended for KittyKat. I was hoping that KITTYKAT could clarify the discussion with Councilman Bradley.


It would prevent a quorum to vote on 8-22-06 election date.

[Kitty]

I have friends who live in Ward 4. I'm sure many of my fellow Grovers do, too.

We should give the address of one of our Ward 4 friends and register to vote in the election.

Shouldn't be any more questionable than deceased people or convicted felons voting.

[nonnegotiable]

I agree if anything happens ask them to show you a list of all the voters because you as neighbors should know them dead or alive. Also I read in a previous post on here or somewhere that they phoned the voters before hand when you purchase a voter roll does it include phone numbers. I don't know but I am curious to know if not why doesn't every candidate buy one the day of the election to ensure that they get late registers and all to get their numbers and call in a different order divide the list! Just a thought!

[gilgamesh]

I agree if anything happens ask them to show you a list of all the voters because you as neighbors should know them dead or alive. Also I read in a previous post on here or somewhere that they phoned the voters before hand when you purchase a voter roll does it include phone numbers. I don't know but I am curious to know if not why doesn't every candidate buy one the day of the election to ensure that they get late registers and all to get their numbers and call in a different order divide the list! Just a thought!

I can't remember if the voter roll has numbers, but the way they do it is to build a "make sure" list. Every voter they interview who says they will vote for their candidate, they fill out a form with all the pertinent info. That is all entered into a computer database. Then, on election day, they can tell you almost to the exact number how many people will vote for their person. They have people assigned to campaign headquarters to call them all.

As for the voter roll, you can get a copy on cd...it was $200 during the mayoral campaign. So, I can assure you Fairley has one. Regardless of who broke into city hall.

Finally, as to Fairley floating two candidates, one of whom is not widely known to be a DuPree supporter, think about it this way. The African American community predominantly votes for the one Fairley openly supports and the majority of the rest of the vote is split between Dave Ware and the other candidate. If the red herring gets the most votes between the two you have a runoff with two Fairleyites. Trust me, he is very cagey and thinks this way. The other candidate has not said he will run, but he hasn't yet said he won't.

[forwhatsright]

Do you have any idea who the secret candidate is? It seems like you have a lot of great knowledge to share about the Dupree/Fairley Clan. Anymore info that you would like to share about how the election campaign strategies were organized so we will know what to look for during this election and the next mayorial election.

[BayStBum]

Not sure this is the right place to note it, but both the HA and several My Hattiesburg posters have stated that Ward 4 consists of the Blair, Camp, and Woodley precincts. Given the importance of the election and the impending registration deadline, folks need to know that the American Legion, Eaton Sub A, Walthall, and Westside precincts are also in Ward 4.

I advised the HA of the need to print a correction, but somebody with more clout than me might want to let them know, too.

[wilebill]

I advised the HA of the need to print a correction, but somebody with more clout than me might want to let them know, too.
They wouldn't listen to a BayStBum? :smt102

[forwhatsright]

Not sure this is the right place to note it, but both the HA and several My Hattiesburg posters have stated that Ward 4 consists of the Blair, Camp, and Woodley precincts. Given the importance of the election and the impending registration deadline, folks need to know that the American Legion, Eaton Sub A, Walthall, and Westside precincts are also in Ward 4.

I advised the HA of the need to print a correction, but somebody with more clout than me might want to let them know, too.

I am sorry to tell you that they shorten the list of precincts and American Legion, Eaton Sub A, Walthall, and Westside are all changed to the three Blair, Camp, and Woodley go to the city clerks office tommorrow and double check but from what I have been told they are only three instead of seven. Let us know what you find out you may call them at (601) 545-4553.

[nonnegotiable]

I heard someone say the other day just go to City of Hattiesburg and you will have visited the biggest zoo ever it is just one big joke!!

[noway]

Hattiesburg City Election Results 2005 (http://www.myhattiesburg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6356&highlight=precint+results)

Post # 2 shows ward 4 results..

Ward One results stll amaze me..

[BayStBum]

The city clerk's office says you're right, forwhatsright---the voters in the other four precincts will be voting at either Blair, Camp, or Woodley (e.g., residents of Eaton Sub A will be voting at Camp). Thanks for the info.

I guess I still have an issue with the coverage to the extent that folks outside of Blair, Camp, and Woodley might me misled to believe that they're not in the Ward and, consequently, ineligibile to register and vote.

[58ford]

Does anyone know how often they purge the voter roles?
I remember back during Pres. W Bush's first election my dad, & granddad were both still on the roll right above my name. they both dies in the late 1970's.
I vote in a different pricinct now so I don't know if they're still on there.
My brother still votes in the pricinct where he first registered, even though he moved across town.
(I think he's just too lazy to go downtown to reregister.)
I wonder if you could just surf the obituaries prior to an election & pick up some recently deceased names to vote for?
Wouldn't it be funny if more than one person came in to vote for the same stiff?
Is there a punishment for that?
Can the poll workers arrest you?
What was the argument against voter ID again? I never did understand that one.

[OLDLADY]

I think Voter I.D. is being opposed so heavily because they say too many people do NOT have I.D......that discrimates them from voting. How about them apples?

[Conveyor Belt]

I don't know, oldlady... It seems that everyone that I've come in contact with has a state issued id if they don't have a driver's license. I think it's a popular excuse, but I don't think it's accurate.

I think they should require the same things an employer requires to fill out an I-9.

[58ford]

Couldn't they use their EBT card for ID?

[OLDLADY]

I agree, CB....All I'm stating is how it has been repoted. I am 100% for Voter I.D. I think it is the most honest, sensible, legal way to conduct voting, but then again that would NOT suit too many people out there that like corrupt, unsensible, non-legal elections and voting procedures.....

[Conveyor Belt]

I'm still on the fence, though, about it. In my conspiracy-ridden mind, the Man could note when I came to vote and find out who I voted for by using some special super-secret mathmatical formula. I mean, I have to give them my name, so I guess it's not that far of a leap to actually have to prove that I'm me. Maybe I just moved myself off the fence...

[58ford]

I think proving you are a registered voter is important.
The secret ballot is equally important.
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
But, without voter ID anyone could vote, not only american citizens, but foreign nationals, voters from other states, counties, Wards, etc.
And, Without voter ID there is no way to stop someone from voting multiple times.
Voter ID is the only FAIR way to conduct a vote.
They give you a card when you register, but then they never ask to see it again as long as you live.

[Leprechaun]

I know most people understand why voter ID is important. The state of Georgia has instituted legislation for voter ID. They have places in every county to allow people to register for the ID. It is free of charge and if you have an issue of not being able to get to those places designated, they will come to you. The reason some object is simple, voter role manipulation. I wish Mississippi would follow Georgia's lead.

[58ford]

Hell yeah Leprechaun

[gilgamesh]

Do you have any idea who the secret candidate is? It seems like you have a lot of great knowledge to share about the Dupree/Fairley Clan. Anymore info that you would like to share about how the election campaign strategies were organized so we will know what to look for during this election and the next mayorial election.

If I think of anything else pertinent, I will surely post it. But the number one overriding factor to remember is activism. Fairley has a very organized approach and THEY WORK IT. Day, night, asleep or awake. If your candidates supporters don't get out and vote, it doesn't matter how many signs in the yards there are. You have to impress on the constituency how critical each and every vote is. If it rains, they need to vote. Help get them to the polls, no matter what. That is quite simply how you win a local election. Designate significant campaign money to get out the vote. Go door to door and REGISTER people. Get your own copy of the voter rolls and contact as many people as you can. They have a machine and it seems to me that the other side seems to think this is "dirty" but it gets candidates elected.

[gilgamesh]

One other thing that I learned during my tenure with DuPree. The average citizen truly does not have a clue what the real issues are. For those of us who follow it closely, it seems so obvious. But most people DO NOT follow this stuff. YOu have to educate them as to why this is important to THEM. That is why voter turnout is so typically low. People don't feel it really affects them or that they can and do make a difference...as much with their apathy as with getting out and exercising their precious right to vote.

[wilebill]

I thought I read that the timetable for holding a special election was mandated by law. Or was that just a recommendation? :smt102

[Conveyor Belt]

Law, shmlaw.