Favoritism and Racism [Archive]

sackett22

07-23-2006, 12:07 PM

http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060723/OPINION03/607230312/1014/OPINION

Well apparently this person hasn't been back to Hattiesburg in quite awhile. I drive by Mugshots all the time. Rarely do I see tons of people gathered outside. Yes there are people that go outside, but not in large groups like at other clubs.

I have never actually heard anyone criticize the black clubs for the type of music and amount of people that go to them. But you also don't hear about someone getting into a fight at Mugshots on a regular basis, as was mentioned by WDAM report of the constant fighting taking place outside of the "Jazz Club".

If Mayor Dupree is supposed to be making changes throughout Hburg. How come no one has witnessed any of this. Some people won't even go over near Mugshots late at night due to the fact of what happened to the gentleman awhile back.

You don't see anyone in Mugshots trying to cause trouble. You don't see gangs of white kids hanging out at the Shell station, and even though Mugshots is close to some apartment buildings, I have driven by there at night and rarely can I hear the music from inside unless someone opens the door.

fuzzis

07-23-2006, 12:18 PM

I don't remember a whole lot of folks congregating outside of Ropers either. :smt102 Noway, were there a bunch of people creating mischief outside of Ropers on Friday night?

fuzzis

sackett22

07-23-2006, 12:19 PM

On another note. I also don't see many white people driving around town with the bass on their stereo cranked up so high that it rattles windows in other peoples cars and on peoples houses. So yeah I guess I can see where people will complain about noise coming out of a black club. But I think more people complain about the "rolling noise" coming out of some of these jacked up, chrome plated, spinner advertising, crappy cars.

Kitty

07-23-2006, 12:20 PM

After the "Jazz Club" story aired on WDAM, there has been at least one HPD roadblock set up west of Mugshots near the 4th Street/59 overpass, presumably designed to stop people who were leaving Mugshots. I was told this by someone who was in a car that was stopped.

daisy

07-23-2006, 12:34 PM

I've been in Mugshots with friends for a hamburger and to watch the game. I felt safe. We could talk. Some places you're not able to carry on a conversation.

I quit going to that Shell one time when everybody didn't act like they knew how to drive, didn't care or were in another world. And the general atmosphere outside felt spooky. I will go to the Exxon--well lit--more open feeling and visibility. Also the USM AND Hattiesburg police go there to eat at Subway.

What about roadblocks around HI HAT and JAZZ CLUB? And if not, why not?

I don't know about JAZZ CLUB but The HI HAT is on the USM athletic dept. no go list and rightly so. It's been known for shootings and violence since I know in the 80's.

wilebill

07-23-2006, 12:43 PM

It must be great to be able to observe all this from Texas.

IGID

07-23-2006, 01:20 PM

Fuzzis, that was probably the line to get in on Friday nights. It's always packed on Fridays.......at least that's what I heard....lol

fuzzis

07-23-2006, 01:27 PM

Fuzzis, that was probably the line to get in on Friday nights. It's always packed on Fridays.......at least that's what I heard....lol

I haven't been on a Friday night in a long time...and the times I've been on a Tuesday or Thursday, I don't remember a whole bunch of people standing around outside, so I would have to disagree with the writer's assertion that "[At] white clubs you have people all over the place, [and] not one cop around."

:smt102

fuzzis

IGID

07-23-2006, 01:36 PM

Most white clubs don't need the cops around. Sure, there are fights and dissagreements, but it's at a level the bouncers can handle it and they don't have idiots running out to their cars pulling guns and shooting like the black clubs. That woman in Tx. needs to get a grip on reality.

Kitty

07-23-2006, 01:47 PM

It must be great to be able to observe all this from Texas.

Let's hope this person doesn't somehow appear as a newly registered voter in Ward 4. :raisedeye

daisy

07-23-2006, 02:04 PM

That lady must have good vision to see from Texas. I drive by there and never hear the music. Years ago, a friend and I were out at a club that closed at midnight and a guy friend wanted to take us to the HIHAT. We didn't go. We would have been with him but bullets and knives don't care. We valued our lives.

Maybe it would have been uneventful but all we had to do was watch the news to hear how crowded it got and there would be a stabbing.

IGID, you're right most of the white nightclubs depend on the bouncer and then ban them if need be.

Mugshots is busy but it's a line to get in -- a certain band or night.

newdixiechick

07-23-2006, 08:27 PM

In an effort to maintain fairness shouldn't all violence at any clubs be addressed in the same manner....If a fight breaks out at the HiHat or at Mugshots if police presence is requested for one it should be requested for the other...All citizens want clean streets and orderly neighborhoods for themselves and their families...In order to to stop racism you need to clean your own house first...It takes a Village to raise a child.....If as much effort was put into our own homes first and then into the fairley's and the dupree's home then their would not be one white person on the wrong side of the law...When it comes to criminals do you have a preference as to to who steals from you or assaults you...Is it less offensive if a white man robs you or shoots at you...That is not racism that is stupidity but then again they are one in the same...
BTW you must ride through town with selective vision because it is not only black kids with loud music and who are hanging out on the corners, it is those children who embrace a certain lifestyle....

LAGNAF01

07-23-2006, 08:43 PM

newdixiechick

07-23-2006, 08:48 PM

well, Every Time There Is A Fight Or Disturbance At Any Club The Police Come To The Scene If People Call.
every Friday And Saturday Night Police Units Go To All The Clubs In Hattiesburg And Sit And Watch The Crowds Let Out Just In Case There Is Any Problems.
they Don't Just Go To The Hi-hat They Go To All The Clubs.
although More Officers Go To The Hi-hat Because All Of The Violence That Happens There.
it Is Not Only The Police That Is Packin Heat At That Club,its Everybody.

I KNOW that you are not implying that ONLY BLACK people carry or own firearms in the city...if the so called "white clubs" patrons were checked i am sure they would find guns, drugs and bad attitudes on them as well... LETS NOT PRETEND... Isn't the point of a nightclub loud music, drinking and dancing.....if those things were not there there would be no nightclubs

LAGNAF01

07-23-2006, 08:56 PM

I KNOW WHITE PEOPLE CARRY GUNS AT LEAST I DO. BUT LETS FACE WHITE PEOPLE DON'T SHOOT EACH OTHER OVER RIMS AND SHOES.
IT'S NOT A BLACK AND WHITE THING WITH ME I JUST TELLING FROM EXPERIENCE. THANK U AND GOODNIGHT.:smt070

nonnegotiable

07-23-2006, 09:14 PM

It must be great to be able to observe all this from Texas.

She must have moved because of the crime. She took the Far West flight to get out of Hattiesburg.

newdixiechick

07-23-2006, 10:49 PM

Like I said Stupidity and Racism are one in the same, and it appears that the hooded sheets and burning crosses have been replaced with usernames, message boards, where its contents are covered in hate with bigger doses of dumbness... “Black people shoot each other over shoes and rims” was that a way for you to stereotype those in America of African decent?...I think that you just let all of Hattiesburg know just how Deep (shallow) your knowledge runs and if you are protecting the city, then that speaks volumes to the poor race relations that we are now experiencing, that have been blamed on Wynn, Fairley, and Dupree.... Who by the way to my knowledge have not said anything that would stereotype white people.... Remember that saying that there is racism is not a direct slam to the white citizens of Hattiesburg... It calls out anyone that participates in such a vile program that does nothing but destroy (white or black)

wilebill

07-23-2006, 11:08 PM

Did you happen to see the Tom Brokaw special tonight? Neither did I, but thanks to nooskye I did read the transcript. You might want to check it out at this link. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13990611/) There's some pretty eye-opening stats and stories there, told from both sides of the fence.

I won't repeat the stats given on the show or the views that the blacks who were interviewed have of the problems they face. But I can assure you that people typing on messages boards is the least of any Americans' problems.

LAGNAF01

07-23-2006, 11:11 PM

that Was Just Down Right Beautiful!******

you Have No Clue What You Are Talking About.
white Hoods & Burning Crosses, Come On Those Days Are Over With.
i Am Not A Racist, I Work With Black People And White People And Work Well With Them.
there Are Several Black People I Call Great Friends And Would Be Welcome In My House Anytime, And Have Been In My House Several Times And You Call Me Racist.
you Have No Idea What We Go Through In The Job We Perform And Some Of The Stupid s@*t We Have To Put Up With.
we Deal With Stupid White People And Stupid Black People.
but You Would not Care About That All You See Is Someone Said Something About Black People.
i Am Not Going To Get Into A Pissing Match With You Over Race. You Have Your Comments And I Have Mine, Leave It At That.
as For Wynn, Fairley, Dupree You Have No Clue What They Say You Are Not On The Inside And Hear Some Of The Things They Have Said.
by The Way The Biggest Racist Are The One's Who Complain About Others Being Racist. Thank You

dalo knight

07-23-2006, 11:14 PM

In a council meeting a few weeks ago a supporter of The Mayor and the Reverand advocated the killing of A white council member. He wanted to know why the Police Chief did not have the council member killed. Why would he even think that. Why was he not escorted out of the council meeting and arrested. Rascism is here in Hattiesburg It begins at Mt Carmel. Let's not forget when the mayor was elected he had a large support from the white voters. The White Population did not leave the Mayor the Mayor left them.

JB2379

07-24-2006, 08:49 AM

R1ZOOM

07-24-2006, 10:23 AM

blacks are the only ones who drive around town with their loud music and shooting each other over rims, that is just plain stupid and idiotic.

This really cracks me up for some reason...the mental picture I get of people (both black and white, especially skinny white guys who try to act like thugs and speak ebonics) driving around shouting and shooting at each other over rims. I know it shouldn't be funny, but the mental picture makes me laugh.

TheKing

07-24-2006, 11:20 AM

You know, it really amazes me how some of you people on here can be so open about your racist views. And I can assure you that violence happens at all the clubs nd bars in town, not just the black ones. And to try to say that blacks are the only ones who drive around town with their loud music and shooting each other over rims, that is just plain stupid and idiotic. Yeah, I don't agree with the letter that person wrote from Texas, but some of you on here is no better than her.

the bar i frequent has a fair mix of black and white patrons and there is VERY VERY little violence.

the only time i remember a fight in the past 6 months or so was two white guys over a beer pong match....the crowd broke it up before the bartender/bouncer was able to get to it and they were promptly told to get the hell out and not come back

every time i go to ropers there is girls slapping their boyfriends and rednecks getting into fights...but its good ole fashioned 'southern ass whippins' and the bouncers can handle it...

i actually live closer to the hi-hat than i care to admit and when i am being driven by there on the way home after a night of my own debauchery, there is almost always a police presence of some sort...

youll have a hard time convincing me its because of the racist white cops giving the black guys a hard time. realistically speaking and unfounded racism aside, black clubs enjoy more real violence(guns, barfights, fights that just wont stop) than traditionally white places...i have lived in more places than hattiesburg and this happens everywhere.

newdixiechick: you need not think for a second that a) stereotypes exist for no reason [and that reason isnt a negative one...its because there exists a propensity for a person of a certain race to behave in a certain manner...it isnt gauranteed but its usually worth placing a bet on] and b) there isnt a true and fundamental difference between the different racial cultures. is this a bad thing? no it is not.

but at ropers..there is a lot of fights but i have never seen or heard of anybody being shot there.

JB2379

07-24-2006, 11:43 AM

...
black clubs enjoy more real violence(guns, barfights, fights that just wont stop) than traditionally white places...i have lived in more places than hattiesburg and this happens everywhere.
.
You have no proof of that statement. And I find it very funny how you play down the fighting at the white clubs. Fighting is fighting, whether its at a black club, white club, or asian club. Its all the same.

TheKing

07-24-2006, 12:12 PM

well no, i do not have hard scientific proof

but i have been in predominately black clubs/bars on more than one occasion and I assure you...sometimes you can cut the tension with a knife....

while I do admit that, since I am a white boy, I do attend the white bars much more than the black ones...but it is mighty strange to me that when i do decide to go to a predominately black establishment, there is much more fighting, and the severity of hte fighting is higher

but i did state in my last post that the bar that i frequently attend has a very fair racial mix and everyone gets along well.

and no, violence is not violence....me punching you one good time for grabbing my girlfriends butt is a world of difference than me relentlessly trying to either kill you with my bare hands or whipping out a nine...all the while my friends get in on it and your friends get in on it.

but i tell ya what, lets not get into a war of the words here and try to argue semantics...lets ask some of our police officers that read the boards...

mr police man: if you were to be working in the middle of the night and got called to a bar, where would you most likely to get called to?

now that we have established frequency of calls, mr police man, if you were to get called to a club/bar where someone is brandishing a weapon, which one of those would you most likely to be called to?

okay okay, one more question, mr police man. if you were to get called somewhere that an all out melee has ensued, where would be the most likely place to get called?

JB2379

07-24-2006, 12:33 PM

Lose the attitude and can the Mr. Policeman crap, and just accept the fact that your judgement of black people is blurred. And I can care less if you have black friends or have visited black clubs. That doesn't change the fact that your perception of black people is racist.

sackett22

07-24-2006, 12:35 PM

Just my two cents here. I rarely if ever see the names of many clubs in the paper. Most recently of course is the Hi-Hat. Only time Ive seen mugshots in the paper was when they were talking about the man being hit across the street from there.

Hearing about all the trouble going on in Laurel and Jackson leads me to believe that it may be the same types of individuals causing the problems here. I honestly believe that most of the tensions here are due to the influx of people that moved here after Katrina. Before that storm you normally didn't hear about this much violence in Hburg. If anyone saw the news several months after the storm about all the trouble in Houston, due to the fact that New Orleans gang members were fighting with Houston gang members. Much of the same thing is now happening in Laurel. I don't think its so much a racial thing as a "we're better than you thing" in that I mean that from my opinion Louisiana is much more violent than MS and so people from there are trying to prove it.

JB you are correct that there are white people who do drive around with there stereo blasting just like black people. I was trying to state though that it is an annoyance with the bass turned up so loud that windows rattle and shake. If I were to crank up my music that wouldn't happen, one because I don't crank the bass up, just the music. I live in a predominantly black neighborhood and I get along with all of my neighbors, and most of my neighbors also hate when these kids, and thats mostly who it is, come down our street, doing 50 mph, with 50 cent cranked so loud they wouldn't hear it if they hit someone. Im the same way though about country music. I hate it when people crank that up too loud. It wasn't meant to be listened to like that anymore than some music was made just so you can here the bass beat. Thats fine for a nightclub, but inappropriate for driving down the street.

CuriousOne

07-24-2006, 12:43 PM

There may very well be people standing outside of every type club in Hattiesburg. I did see on New Years Eve that Hi Hat had at least 100 outside in the parking lot. We drove by every club in H'burg that night and none of them had the amount of people outside that Hi Hat did. I believe they were shut down that night for exceeding the capacity by several hundred people. I've been to Roper's (not lately) and when I used to go I ALWAYS saw a cop in the parking lot patrolling. I don't remember ever being there when a cop didn't show up, at least to drive by.

sackett22

07-24-2006, 12:50 PM

One bad thing is that the Hi-Hat used to be a very respected establishment when it was in Palmers Crossing. All the big names from the 60s played there, Ike and Tina Turner played there quite a few times from what I hear. Now it has turned into a place where you wouldn't want to be caught.

CuriousOne

07-24-2006, 01:19 PM

I think Hi Hat has just been really high profile since the owner was indicted. I would bet willing to be that if the owner of Roper's was indicted on drug charges, there would be way more police presence at that location. I don't think it has anything to do with the majority of the patrons' races, it has more to do with known drug activity. I'm not saying that Roper's doesn't have drug activity either, I'm sure it does... I'm sure ALL clubs in H'burg have their share but none of the other owners were formally charged with it.

B.T. Justice

07-24-2006, 01:21 PM

that have been blamed on Wynn, Fairley, and Dupree.... Who by the way to my knowledge have not said anything that would stereotype white people.... Remember that saying that there is racism is not a direct slam to the white citizens of Hattiesburg...)

Does opposing self annexation of 200 acres of raw land because you believe that it will ultimately house voters of non-preferable race qualify as racism?

Code 3

07-24-2006, 02:14 PM

Through my tenure with the HFD we have been called to all different clubs throughout H'burg to do occupancy checks.

I have been to Ropers, Northgate, The Sports Bar on W. Pine, Hi Hat to name a few and the most volitle situation we ran into has been at the Hi Hat. The managers/owners basically threatend us by "dropping" Wynn and DuPree's name and saying they would have our jobs. I know of at least one situation that the Hi Hat was overcrowded and had locked exit doors and we wrote them up. The citation was processed through the Fire Prevention office, but low and behold a week later, the Chief called the station in who wrote the citation and said that the Mayor said to dismiss the ticket so that they could open up again. If ya'll remember the owners are generous contributors to the DuPree campaign.

As I have said, I have been to many clubs to do occupancy inspections and normally the managers are concerned but professional. I know that if Mr Milton Barnes were still alive and kicking, he would have cleaned up the Hi Hat as he always did when it was in Palmers Crossing.

bartspoon

07-24-2006, 02:20 PM

According to the Bureau of Justice crime stats. 52.1% of the homicides committed in the United States are committed by blacks. 59.3% of the felony murders are committed by blacks. 46.9% of the overall homicide victims are black. 94% of black victims were killed by blacks.

Thats 13% of the total population responsible for over half the murders.

Drug related homicide 65.1 % committed by blacks
Sex realated homicide 43.3% " " blacks
Felony murder 59.3% " " blacks

Juvenile arrest for: murder, 48% black
forcible rape, 37% black
robbery 58% black

Seems to me that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP should be talking about these problems. This should be top of their list. But no one wants to even talk about it. If your white and you address it your racist. And all kinds of excuses will be given. There is no excuse.

If you say black night clubs are more dangerous than white ones. Looking at these stats. and adding alcohol to the mix, I think its easy to draw that conclusion.

Think about it. 59.3% of the felony murders in this country are committed by 13% of the overall population. That is something to think about.

fuzzis

07-24-2006, 02:28 PM

Think about it. 59.3% of the felony murders in this country are committed by 13% of the overall population. That is something to think about.

And that means that about 40% of the felony murders are committed by the other 87% of the population. What about those murders? Are leaders in those communities (that 87% of the population) speaking up about those problems?

Violence, is, as jb said, violence...and violence in one community does not excuse violence in another. Nor does it excuse some of the comments that get made on these boards. I've said it before, but some of you walk a very fine line...particularly those of you in "public service" occupations. The readership is wide, and your words may come back to haunt you. At the very least your words and your focus on what are ultimately inconsequential things confirm for Dupree and Wynn supporters that they are in the right when it comes to their opinions that this is really all about race. ("You" being used generally and not specifically)

fuzzis

dalo knight

07-24-2006, 02:28 PM

If the HFD writes a ticket at the HI HAt they are called rascist. If they do not and folks are killed some will say they did not do head counts because they do not care about a segment of our community. Politcal Contributions over the Safety of some in our community. You must ask does the mayor care about the folks that attend the HI HAT. Or just the owner?

IGID

07-24-2006, 03:44 PM

For those of you that don't think there is a difference, go this next weekend and draw your own conclusions. On saturday night, go to four clubs, two white and two black. At 10:00, go to Ropers for an hour, at 11:00 go to Memories, at 12:00 go to Mugshots, and at 1:00 go to the HiHat. On Sunday report back to what you found and where you felt the most threatened and where you felt the safest. I have a feeling your opinion may change if you spent any amount of time at those clubs.

racoonhead

07-24-2006, 03:52 PM

Everyone is predjudice to some extent. Everyone!!!

politically incorrect

07-24-2006, 04:19 PM

I agree that the amount of violence present in the black community as a whole is much worse than in the white community. People can argue over the causes, but the facts (statistics) speak for themselves.

Someone earlier on this thread said white people were using message boards now to spread their racism. Actually, we are just speaking out what we feel in the only medium left that will not bring charges of racism and political incorrectness down on our heads. Society has made it impossible to address the problems we face, because if the solution seems to be more law enforcement in minority neighborhoods to rid them of the gangs and drug dealers, we get called racist. I am sure most black citizens of Hattiesburg do not want gangbangers and drug dealers in their neighborhoods. But the culture and climate of our times has made it unpopular for those blacks to step forward and demand the hoodlums around them be locked up.

JB2379

07-24-2006, 04:43 PM

I agree that the amount of violence present in the black community as a whole is much worse than in the white community.
You just don't have a clue, because if you did you wouldn't have made a statement like that. Have you ever been to the black community for more then five minutes? If so, did you witness any kind of violence there? And if you were referring to me when you said that I said that white people were using this message board to express racisim, you are sadaly mistaken. Anyone who knows me, know that I am a strong advocate for fairness of all races. But I refuse to sit here and let people down the black race, because of some silly perception they have of a few blacks. Its just not going to happen.

CuriousOne

07-24-2006, 04:56 PM

I'll say this and I think it is fairly well correct. In impoverished areas (ghettos, trailer parks, etc.) there is USUALLY a higher crime rate because of the higher sense of despiration/frustration that exists in areas with low incomes and inadequate housing regulations. I'd say that all races are likely to be in those areas, depending on their income and resources they may have no other choice.

I definitely disagree with the opinion from HA. I don't necessarily agree with the all black or all white statements though... there are criminal elements in all races. The black race doesn't have the market cornered...

racoonhead

07-24-2006, 04:57 PM

Anyone see the movie "Crash"?

R1ZOOM

07-24-2006, 04:57 PM

You just don't have a clue, because if you did you wouldn't have made a statement like that. Have you ever been to the black community for more then five minutes? If so, did you witness any kind of violence there? And if you were referring to me when you said that I said that white people were using this message board to express racisim, you are sadaly mistaken. Anyone who knows me, know that I am a strong advocate for fairness of all races. But I refuse to sit here and let people down the black race, because of some silly perception they have of a few blacks. Its just not going to happen.

JB I think part of the problem is that "black communities" are being overgeneralized in these posts. My opinion, and I'm sure that several others here will agree, is that poor communities tend to have more violence and crime, which is inherent in any poor community. I see it in both black and white poor communites. Run down trailer parks inhabited by white poor people see a lot of the same problems that inner city poor black neighborhoods see. There is more crime and violence. It is more of a socioeconomic problem than a black/white problem. You don't see the same problems in Canebrake that you see in Bill's Trailer Park (both predominately white), and likewise the rental apartments at the Shears Road area have a lot more problems than the Sam Rayborn Circle area (both predominately black). Both races have their own "ghettos" so to say where violence and crime are an everyday thing.

EDIT: I see Curious already beat me to the punch on this one.

politically incorrect

07-24-2006, 05:06 PM

You just don't have a clue, because if you did you wouldn't have made a statement like that. Have you ever been to the black community for more then five minutes? If so, did you witness any kind of violence there? And if you were referring to me when you said that I said that white people were using this message board to express racisim, you are sadaly mistaken. Anyone who knows me, know that I am a strong advocate for fairness of all races. But I refuse to sit here and let people down the black race, because of some silly perception they have of a few blacks. Its just not going to happen.

Actually, it was not you who made the comment in question. And yes, I have been in the black community for more than five minutes. I do not have to actually "witness" violence to know it occurs. I was not on the Gulf Coast when Katrina hit, but I see the results very clearly. If you read the police reports and listen to the nightly news, anyone can see that black neighborhoods are afflicted with greater crime than white communities. This is not "downing" the black race. I know many well-educated, good people who happen to be black. I know they wish the same for their children as white people do for theirs - that they can grow up in safe neighborhoods and go to good schools so they can have fulfilling, productive lives.

By not addressing the truth - that 1 in 4 black males are either in prison or on probation - we cannot reach a solution that will give black families the chance at a better life. Your attitude is a good example of why we can never seem to have an open dialogue about the problem of crime. No race has a monopoly on virtue and no race has a monopoly on vice. We have to work together for the sake of all of our children.

JB2379

07-24-2006, 05:08 PM

Anyone see the movie "Crash"?
This is a pretty good movie. It brings out a lot of good points.

JB2379

07-24-2006, 05:10 PM

Your attitude is a good example of why we can never seem to have an open dialogue about the problem of crime. That's understandable, but not true. Anyway, let's just get pass all of this nonsene, because no one is going to change their views on the subject.

PathFinder

07-24-2006, 06:51 PM

... Your attitude is a good example of why we can never seem to have an open dialogue about the problem of crime...

Sir, you are so totally off-base and way out of line with this statement. I know JB is a grown man and doesn't need me to throw in my two cents but here they are anyway. I have known JB personally for several years and he is what he said he is "a strong advocate for fairness of ALL races. I hope that all of the other "long-time" members who know JB can attest to this truth as well.You being a new member to this forum and someone who doesn't know this man personally had no business making a sweeping comment like that about this man. Maybe you and others can leave out the character attacks and get back on the topic of this thread.

53NewYorker

07-24-2006, 07:32 PM

... But no one wants to even talk about it. ...

Good post. I agree with most of it except for this statement. High profile celebrities like Bill Cosby and numerous African American pastors who genuinely care for their flocks are fighting this battle. They don't sell papers in their quiet efforts. They discovered that publicly taking up arms against one another is not the way to win this battle (just ask Cosby, his statements were truthful and heartfelt, but he has gone farther and been more effective by showing the way to a better life than by telling others to live one). Their task is herculean. So is the task of most honest children of poor inner-city single-parent homes and (usually) their mothers.

I am encouraged to read about a growing black middle class in Jackson. You don't read about this in the Clarion Ledger. I think it is the product of the Lord's work here. I pray it gains momentum that will produce intact and caring families who prosper and serve their communities.

politically incorrect

07-24-2006, 11:06 PM

Sir, you are so totally off-base and way out of line with this statement. I know JB is a grown man and doesn't need me to throw in my two cents but here they are anyway. I have known JB personally for several years and he is what he said he is "a strong advocate for fairness of ALL races. I hope that all of the other "long-time" members who know JB can attest to this truth as well.You being a new member to this forum and someone who doesn't know this man personally had no business making a sweeping comment like that about this man. Maybe you and others can leave out the character attacks and get back on the topic of this thread.

I was responding to an attack against me, sir. I don't like to make things personal and I was only responding to a previous post. By the way, I have a feeling that I do know what kind of man JB is. I think he cares greatly about his community and is justifiably defensive when he thinks sweeping stereotypes are being made. I can understand and appreciate that.

This forum is supposed to provide frank and open discussions about issues affecting our community. We ALL need to keep cool heads when we read something we disagree with. (Myself included) Sometimes, however, it is easier said than done.

I have no ill will toward JB and from reading many of his previous posts I think I probably agree with him much more than I disagree.

pharmcop

07-24-2006, 11:20 PM

All opinions and racial blurring aside, I have seen firsthand the results of a night of drinking, and maybe a little dope, at all the clubs in H'burg, and I can tell you that the majority of the problems are at the Hi-Hat and Club Memories II. I don't particularly care if this post offends anyone. That it why we are all entitled to our own opinion. But again, opinions aside, look up the stiatistics. I've arrested more people from the white clubs, but usually for stupid things that they did that only hurt themselves. There was more of a problem with property and personal crimes at the black clubs. The problem is that the general public always hears or reads about the shootings and stabbings, which happen prodiminantly (in H'burg) at the black clubs. You never hear about the big fights at the white clubs because there are usually no serious injuries. The patrons at the "black" clubs, black, white, or other, have more of a tendency to settle their disputes with guns and/or knives than the patrons, white, black, or other, of the "white" clubs.

nonnegotiable

07-24-2006, 11:40 PM

I agree but everyone wants to blame the others to many looking in the closet and bringing up the past on which race to blame but if we are living on our forefathers and we done extended research on them we would find that our on were the ones that sold us out. If we looked at statictis would they be like Chief Wynns wrong and unjustified. We all know what we know Fairley and Dupree are not good men they are loving the contreverosity that it is causing they are building a name like Jesse Jackson has.

TheKing

07-24-2006, 11:40 PM

Em.C.Spiteri

07-25-2006, 04:33 AM

JB2379

07-25-2006, 08:58 AM

This is what I really love about this site, we can all talk openly about the way we feel. Sometimes, we are not going to always agree on particular issues, but I would still encourage folks to speak their minds. We're all adults here.

TheKing

07-25-2006, 09:58 AM

I strongly beleive that MOST black and Asian people make it hard for themselves. We in Britain have more than our share of them who do live on Social Security. Cause trouble, get themselves on dope whih sees them arrested and cause trouble. So we have to be very careful and weary of them.

make no mistake... there are plenty of white folks that fall into that same pattern as well. But I think a lot of the negative 'stereotypes' that JB is so quick to point out is because of statistical percentages.

I wouldnt go so far as to say MOST black and asians make it hard on themselves...in fact i would say that MOST are good, honest, hardworking people(at least in the states)...but there seems to be a higher percentage of the 'bad apples' in some minority groups.

Em.C.Spiteri

07-25-2006, 10:20 AM

In hindsight I withdraw that MOST from my posting. But here, for every 10 people arrested 8 are not white.

Perssonally I have nothing against anybody, just make a judgement on how many people are arrested for rape, stealing, steaaling and running cars to destruction, being dangerously chased by cops.

Personally I have an Asian fiend that I tust with my life.

Conveyor Belt

07-25-2006, 10:42 AM

Personally I have an Asian fiend that I tust with my life.

I wish I had an Asian fiend...

Em.C.Spiteri

07-25-2006, 10:49 AM

You have plenty of Indians there ( I mean people from India). Not difficult to come by them, in England we have more than we can afford to keep on Social Services.

58ford

07-25-2006, 04:20 PM

I think refering to the "Black community" & the "White community" can be missleading.
There are different "Communities" Within both.

Here in town maybe there is more violence Etc.at so called "Black" clubs.
But, there are "White" clubs out in the county that are every bit as violent.
The only place I've ever been in a fight was at a redneck place way out in the boonies.

ynotme297

07-25-2006, 04:34 PM

you know, i've been watching the news and watching the h.a. since sunday and have not seen or heard any mention of the big shootout down in south forrest county at the climax club. there were about 600 people there and a fight broke out, guns were pulled and shots fired. one person was hit 4 times and was down at the secne. there were reports that 2 more were hit, but fled before the s.o. could get there. i heard that one showed up at the green county hospital last night. the s.o. has the name of one of the shooters, but don't think they have found him yet.

pharmcop

07-25-2006, 04:41 PM

The fact is, in a state like Mississippi, where the population is made up largely of minorities (compared to other states), then the crimes and problems will be largely from minorities. In H'burg, the majority of the population is minority, therefore, the majority of the crime comes from these minority groups. There is nothing racial here, just statistical. The bigoted people are making it into a racist issue. For those of us who can see past all the bs, there should be no problem. When the city administration realizes the race/crime statistics, then they probably still won't care, but they will have to explain their actions, or lack of, a little better.

dalo knight

07-25-2006, 04:42 PM

Kitty

07-25-2006, 05:35 PM

The big difference is this The HI HAT has the protection of The Mayor, WYNN and the REV. I believe that club MEMORIES was targeted by the Chief because it is in direct competion with the HIGH HAT. The chief closed the place a few weeks ago for overcrowding. In contrast the mayor wanted to have tickets written by THE HFD to the HIGH HAT for overcrowding torn up.
The more I read things like this the more I am reminded of the movie "Fletch" starring Chevy Chase."Fletch? What's up? - I'm quitting at midnight. - Who are they? This is Fat Sam and Gummy. Come with me. Their statements name Chief Karlin... as the number one drug pusher from here to Oxnard. I want them to have Federal protection sponsored by the paper. OK?"