O.G. Incorporation

[r13]

How long does the incorporation effort have to have all the signatures needed before they present it before the board? Is it Indefinate or is there a time limit?:smt102

[Conveyor Belt]

(crosses fingers)
*Please don't turn into a 600 reply thread, Please don't turn into a 600 reply thread, Please don't turn into a 600 reply thread*

[Joelaw]

#3
Lol

[Kitty]

Post #4 :smt006


Seriously, r13, your question is a good one. Perhaps the Chancery Clerk's office knows the answer, or can refer you to the office that does know.

[lamarrebel]

As far as I know there is no time limit set forth in the Mississippi Code. However, the longer it takes to accumulate the requisite signatures in any (generic) incorporation effort, the more problems that will be created in terms of verifying the signatures as being those of registered voters in the proposed area. Issues of people moving out of the area and registering to vote at their new home addresss, new voters moving in, and the like come into play.

[daisy]

If it takes too long, people die. I have a friend that is ready to see a petitioner knock on her door to tell them what she thinks. She' very happy with the level of services the county is providing her family.

[543LISTguy]

Whats that? Oak grove trying to incorporate? Please fill me in on ALL the details....

[wilebill]

If it takes too long, people die.
But this thread will probably live forever...

[jojobeans1120]

:smt043

[Tully Mars]

#10, only 590 or so more to go before we catch up. Come on guys, we can do it. :smt038

[Bahlk]

It's Aliiiiivvvvveeeee!!!!!!

[politically incorrect]

CB, you should have never said that. Make this number 12.

[Conveyor Belt]

We're just going to make r13 a lot of hubbucks... *sigh*

[SoMissTV]

I, for one, refuse to post in this thread.

Oh wait.... whoops.

[MrPaulB007]

(crosses fingers)
*Please don't turn into a 600 reply thread, Please don't turn into a 600 reply thread, Please don't turn into a 600 reply thread*

All I can do is laugh...thanks to everyone and if I missed thanking your post, it was conveyor's fault for making me laugh hard enough for my mouse to skip! 15 and counting...kinda like a bus trip and the old beer bottle song.

[MrPaulB007]

If it takes too long, people die. I have a friend that is ready to see a petitioner knock on her door to tell them what she thinks. She' very happy with the level of services the county is providing her family.

Okay Daisy, I have to ask. Why did you change from a Daisy avitar to a Zenia or am I just now noticing? I love them both, but I have to ask. Lamar county does provide the best services, BTW.

Ask your friend if she thinks it is right for sales tax spent by Oak Grovians at say, Ramey's or New Point Shopping Center, to go to a city where they have no vote. Taxation without representation is why we broke off from England...in 1776. It don't get more UnAmerican than that!

And she may not remember this, but anything west of 40th avenue used to be Oak Grove. She may think about the tax dollars from there west on Hwy 98 not being spent on her services and being wasted on trips to Tunica every time she shops or eats around there. Then ask her how nasty her trash can is with once weekly trash pick up.

The Oak Grove effort will subsidize the great existing services. The biggest thing is it will give us the chance to be self ruled and protect our taxes.

[wilebill]

Ask your friend if she thinks it is right for sales tax spent by Oak Grovians at say, Ramey's or New Point Shopping Center, to go to a city where they have no vote. Taxation without representation is why we broke off from England...in 1776. It don't get more UnAmerican than that!


I'm trying to wrap my head around how all this so-called "taxation without representation" thing is so unfair, and how it should work if it is unfair.

From what I'm reading, if you buy something from a store that's not in "your town" then you should get a vote in that town if you buy something there. How much do you have to buy to get a vote? $1 worth? $100 worth? Or do you get a vote everytime you buy something? When you go to vote do you just show a receipt at the registration table? Do people who spend more and/or make more trips to the store get more votes?

Or is it that if enough people from area "A" buys enough stuff from area "B", that entitles area "A" to put a representative on the council or whatever of area "B"? How much do you have to buy to send a representative over? Can an area send more than one rep if they spend a lot?

But then there's that annoying fact that most, if not all, of the businesses wanted to be in Hattiesburg so they could get city services. So would the above representation privileges only apply to those businesses who didn't want to be in the city, or to any business that the customer deemed is not fair that they're in the city? What if one customer didn't think it was fair but another did? Would there be arbitration?

This gets way too complicated. Probably the simplest thing would be to just buy stuff from places where you feel comfortable doing so and live with the system the way it is.

[r13]

Lamar county does provide the best services, BTW.

Ask your friend if she thinks it is right for sales tax spent by Oak Grovians at say, Ramey's or New Point Shopping Center, to go to a city where they have no vote. Taxation without representation is why we broke off from England...in 1776. It don't get more UnAmerican than that!

Then ask her how nasty her trash can is with once weekly trash pick up.

The Oak Grove effort will subsidize the great existing services. The biggest thing is it will give us the chance to be self ruled and protect our taxes.


1st of all, that is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Even if Oak Grove were to incorporate, there is not grocery store to go to outside the city anyway. So you would still be going to Ramey's or Wal-mart. BTW, Newpoint is in the county! And do you mean to tell me that if Oak Grove were to incorporate, you wouldn't go to Wal-mart or Turtle Creek Mall anymore just because it was in the city.:smt102

If you want to pay more taxes just to have your trash picked up twice a week, just buy another garbage can. It will save you a lot more money.

And as far as the services being subsidized by the county, I tell you now, if Oak Grove incorporates, the county services are gone. Just ask Purvis and Sumrall. The Sheriff's Dept. will not patrol or answer calls in the City. County Garbage pick up will not happen in the city. County road crew and maintenance will not happen in the city. All the "best services" provided by the county will be gone from the city of Oak Grove. Think about that.

[Tully Mars]

Taxation without representation is an irrelevant arguement in this case. If you live outside of an incorporated city and make a purchase from a business also outside of an incorporated city then the sales tax on that purchase (100% of it) goes to the state through which you are represented by a state senator, representative, governor, attorney general, state auditor, etc.

On the other hand, if you live outside of an incorporated city and make a purchase from a business within a city then a certain percentage of the sales tax is returned to that city in the form of a sales tax payment from the state. You live outside of that city so no representation is due to you except through the county Board of Supervisors (assuming that your residence and the business are in the same county), and the state of course. Just because you happen to live in a county that happens to contain a city or a portion of a city does not entitle you to representation from that city no matter how much money you spend there.

Now, should Oak Grove successfully incorporate, then yes, a percentage of your tax dollars would be returned to that city to help finance general government, capital improvements, etc. However, the proposed incorporation boundaries do not contain enough businesses to sustain a local government. The only other source of consistent revenue is through ad valorem taxes which, in my opinion and in OG's case, would place an undue burden on the taxpayer by having a disproportionate amount of its revenue derived from ad valorem taxes.

Short of a successful incorporation, which won't happen for numerous reasons that I have explained in another thread ad nauseum, I would suggest that you chose a city to move to if you concerned about representation, or a lack thereof.

Guys, is this like deja vu all over again or what? :smt102

[wilebill]

Yeah, I can't believe we're discussing this all over again. I just posted what I did to give a different perspective on this "unfair" thing. It seems that the "unfair" issue is being used a lot as justification for incorporation and I just wanted to show that I don't see any other way for it to work.

[Kitty]

:zelfmoord

May I borrow your gun?

[Conveyor Belt]

Still, if OG incorporated, would that mean business wouldn't build there and choose Hattiesburg corp. instead?

I am still firmly in the camp that OG will one day be Hattiesburg west if they don't incorporate to protect themselves from becoming part of Hattiesburg. The people who are shunning the city part of OG will one day wish they'd had OG instead of Hattiesburg beating down their door and sucking them in.

If they want to be part of Hattiesburg, that's fine, but living in a fantasy land ,believing that their property will never be part of a city is assinine.

[MrPaulB007]

I'm trying to wrap my head around how all this so-called "taxation without representation" thing is so unfair, and how it should work if it is unfair.

Thanks for thinking about it.

From what I'm reading, if you buy something from a store that's not in "your town" then you should get a vote in that town if you buy something there. How much do you have to buy to get a vote? $1 worth? $100 worth? Or do you get a vote everytime you buy something? When you go to vote do you just show a receipt at the registration table? Do people who spend more and/or make more trips to the store get more votes?

Let’s just say I think enough about these issues that I try to buy all I can in our great state, even when I am traveling. I will stop at a state line and top off with fuel, I bring my groceries with me when I can and all for the sake of my tax pennies count toward the progress of my state, and my kids’ future.

On the local level, it is just wrong for taxes paid in Oak Grove businesses to pay for services the citizens of Oak Grove do not receive. For instance, Ramey’s grocery has a majority of shoppers who are from Oak Grove. Their sales tax is sent to the state, and then percentage rebated to Hattiesburg.

Not to mention, the store has to make enough money for their property tax base to be paid to Hattiesburg. This is off the backs of OG residents, how is this right? Especially when they have no voice in the government of Hattiesburg!

Or is it that if enough people from area "A" buys enough stuff from area "B", that entitles area "A" to put a representative on the council or whatever of area "B"? How much do you have to buy to send a representative over? Can an area send more than one rep if they spend a lot?


That IS complicated government and not what I said.

But then there's that annoying fact that most, if not all, of the businesses wantedtobe in Hattiesburg so they could get city services. So would the above representation privileges only apply to those businesses who didn't want to be in the city, or to any business that the customer deemed is not fair that they're in the city? What if one customer didn't think it was fair but another did? Would there be arbitration?

If the annexation of Oak Grove properties was wanted, then what did they file suit against it for? BTW, Hattiesburg was on record in the late 70’s promising they would not annex anything else west of Hwy 59 other than the Coke plant and the then named Methodist Hospital.

Are you saying taxes are ever welcomed? Hattiesburg paid OG over $80,000 for past annexations, and different Administrations promised all along the way down Hwy 98 it would annex no further since ‘76. Now, OG school is surrounded to the point you can’t go by a ticket to a game from the school without going through Hattiesburg’s taxed property. That is wrong.

This gets way too complicated. Probably the simplest thing would be to just buy stuff from places where you feel comfortable doing so and live with the system the way it is

You can’t have it both ways unless you tell me why. Wilibill, you were the one who said it was citizens like me “who don’t care about the status quo enough to care about making needed changes” in our last discussion about Dupree.

Why would you think or suggest that I should give up and live with the system the way it is… when I see it as wrong. Are we both not inspired and aspired with the same passion for making our world better?

[MrPaulB007]

1st of all, that is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Even if Oak Grove were to incorporate, there is not grocery store to go to outside the city anyway. So you would still be going to Ramey's or Wal-mart. BTW, Newpoint is in the county! And do you mean to tell me that if Oak Grove were to incorporate, you wouldn't go to Wal-mart or Turtle Creek Mall anymore just because it was in the city.
Bold emphasis mine; Good grief, I didn't mean to strike a nerve. Since I did...Uhhh, whatever you do, you must not be plugged in to the reality of
#1 the grocery stores jockeying for position in front of Canebrake that Hattiesburg will annex.
#2 or the fact that Newpointe is planned to be annexed by Hattiesburg,
#3 or the hotels and restaurants looking to reside in Oak Grove that Hattiesburg will also want to annex.

Make sure the dumb voice is not your conscience or that your judgment is not a self reflection. Just drive down 98 and see the scalped dirt for your first clue.

If you want to pay more taxes just to have your trash picked up twice a week, just buy another garbage can. It will save you a lot more money.
Bold emphasis mine; I have enough cans, thanks for the advice. The problem is the life cycle of a fly is less than 7 days. Within two days of pick up time, thousands of maggots are climbing from within the cans and when I pick up the lids, clouds of flies assault an escape.

And as far as the services being subsidized by the county, I tell you now, if Oak Grove incorporates, the county services are gone. Just ask Purvis and Sumrall. The Sheriff's Dept. will not patrol or answer calls in the City. County Garbage pick up will not happen in the city. County road crew and maintenance will not happen in the city. All the "best services" provided by the county will be gone from the city of Oak Grove. Think about that.
Bold emphasis mine; How could I be so dumb…especially when Danny Riegel is on record in the Hattiesburg American saying “Lamar County still backs up Hattiesburg on a regular basis…”

#1 Or maybe seeing Lamar County doing traffic control within the city limits of Hattiesburg during football games.

#2 Or Purvis, Lumberton, and Sumrall using the Lamar county jail to house their prisoners.

#3 Or Lamar County paying to pave Westover, in the Hattiesburg limits, this summer.

#4 Or that if I even believe your superbly informed self that if a 911 call is submitted for assistance, any law would slam on brakes before reaching the scene to pull out a city limit map and wait for a city responder to be first in line!

#5 Or various other towns throughout the state with the same cooperative mechanisms in place that subsidize city services with county services.

And I not only thought about it, I informed my self. Have you? Thanks for your talking down, I still appreciated it…sincerely. Enjoy the hubucks! I just want to protect my kids’ future, so lighten up.

Do you think anyone would just get bored and decide, I don’t pay enough taxes…?

[MrPaulB007]

Taxation without representation is an irrelevant arguement in this case. If you live outside of an incorporated city and make a purchase from a business also outside of an incorporated city then the sales tax on that purchase (100% of it) goes to the state through which you are represented by a state senator, representative, governor, attorney general, state auditor, etc.
Bold emphasis mine. Agreed if you are only talking about the case above… This is not the case of Oak Grove, so it doesn’t apply. But thanks for the explanation, though I did know this.

On the other hand, if you live outside of an incorporated city and make a purchase from a business within a city then a certain percentage of the sales tax is returned to that city in the form of a sales tax payment from the state. You live outside of that city so no representation is due to you except through the county Board of Supervisors (assuming that your residence and the business are in the same county), and the state of course. Just because you happen to live in a county that happens to contain a city or a portion of a city does not entitle you to representation from that city no matter how much money you spend there.
Bold emphasis mine. Thanks for proving my previous point; the sales tax rebates are not serving the people who pay the taxes with their sweat in Oak Grove. The rebates of our tax dollars are going to serve Hattiesburg. Oak Grove is not receiving this rebate because it is not a city, and the businesses were annexed by Hattiesburg.

Thus, it is taxation without representation because we are discussing previous annexation of existing businesses. It is about Hattiesburg taking our taxes and not wanting our vote.

When the businesses existed before it was annexed, how come homage should be paid to a city that didn’t support or pay for the businesses to exist?

I agree to disagree, and never said anything about entitlement based on money spent. I hope you can agree to the actual situation and not the hypothetical one you painted above. I think we are comparing apples and oranges…could be wrong.

Now, should Oak Grove successfully incorporate, then yes, a percentage of your tax dollars would be returned to that city to help finance general government, capital improvements, etc. However, the proposed incorporation boundaries do not contain enough businesses to sustain a local government. The only other source of consistent revenue is through ad valorem taxes which, in my opinion and in OG's case, would place an undue burden on the taxpayer by having a disproportionate amount of its revenue derived from ad valorem taxes.
Bold emphasis mine. Again, I agree. Thanks for your opinion, and insight. I dream of paying little taxes as possible to an Oak Grove City Government now, in the hopes of one day possibly replacing the residential tax base with our commercial tax base for a city that represents the consent of our governed. My nightmare is that all my taxes go to the only other choice, Hattiesburg by annexation. Which is not a choice.

Short of a successful incorporation, which won't happen for numerous reasons that I have explained in another thread ad nauseum, I would suggest that you chose a city to move to if you concerned about representation, or a lack thereof.

Guys, is this like deja vu all over again or what?
Bold emphasis mine. Well, if Tully says it is so, then it must be true… I’ll make my stand where I am, thanks anyway. I really appreciate your insight, and am sincerly impressed. I mean that...whatever that is worth. My opinion costs nothing and is worth about the same.:)

[fuzzis]

Criminey it's really difficult to read your posts. Instead of bold and italics, you could use the html tags for quoting and make it easier on your readers.

fuzzis

[58ford]

I'm willing to sign the petition, hell I'll even make up some names & get som from obituaries if it will end the OG threads.
#28 only 572 to go!

[r13]

Really, I did not mean for this thread to get out of control. I just wanted to know how long the petitioners had to present the petition. I just didn't know the process.

We could go back and forth on this issue forever. The people for the incorporation can bend the truth anyway they want. But people with common sense can see through all that mess.

[MrPaulB007]

If they want to be part of Hattiesburg, that's fine, but living in a fantasy land ,believing that their property will never be part of a city is assinine.
This is scary...thanks for the insight. And for making me laugh...

[MrPaulB007]

I'm with Doc and Fuzzis on this - I can't follow MrPaul's posts. Is he posting in response to someone else or is he responding to his own posts? :smt119

I'M VERY CONFUSED!!!

My html code code is off, sorry for the confusion. I will attempt to fix that...but I am new at this.

:smt086 If you want my posts reposted, let me know, but I think R13 really doesn't want to hear my point or validate his...so, I don't want to waste anyone's time unless it helps. Let me know, thanks!

[Tully Mars]

Well, if Tully says it is so, then it must be true…

I can appreciate and respect your response to my post and assume that the above-quoted snip is a comment made in jest. If you can stomach reading through the 700+ posts in the original City of Oak Grove thread then you will see that in addition to stating the reasons why I think an Oak Grove incorporation is a near impossibility you will also see several posts by me and others that offer well thought out suggestions to those attempting incorporation.

Just for the record...fifteen years of working for local governments (as an employee and as a consultant) has given me some insight into the inner workings of local government and knowledge of the proper (and improper) methods of managing local government.

[MrPaulB007]

It was in jest, and thanks for your insight. I am trying to figure out how to simply comment on a post without a reply, any suggestions...or is that something I have to earn points to do?

[Tully Mars]

It was in jest, and thanks for your insight. I am trying to fifure out how to simply comment on a post without a reply, any suggestions...or is that something I have to earn points to do?

The easiest way to comment on a particular post is to click on the "quote" button at the bottom of the post that you wish to comment on. When you do that, the entire post will be included as a quote as you see above.

[MrPaulB007]

The easiest way to comment on a particular post is to click on the "quote" button at the bottom of the post that you wish to comment on.

Got it, thanks. I was having trouble seperating the quotes to respond to seperate points of the forum members.

When you do that, the entire post will be included as a quote as you see above.

I really appreciate your help, got it figured out...:smt040

Now, where are the Turnips...:smt106

[MrPaulB007]

We could go back and forth on this issue forever. The people for the incorporation can bend the truth anyway they want. But people with common sense can see through all that mess.

Common sense? If you can't back up your "I'll tell you" and "think about that" comments with proof, then I wouldn't call that common sense. Can't say anyone else would either!

By saying the truth is bent when I backed up my view with facts and then saying it is mess when you didn't...well that is laughable. Believe as you want...but know why.

Who knows, you could change my mind! I respect your opinion and thank you for it, seriously.

[r13]

Bold emphasis mine; Good grief, I didn't mean to strike a nerve. Since I did...Uhhh, whatever you do, you must not be plugged in to the reality of
#1 the grocery stores jockeying for position in front of Canebrake that Hattiesburg will annex.
#2 or the fact that Newpointe is planned to be annexed by Hattiesburg,
#3 or the hotels and restaurants looking to reside in Oak Grove that Hattiesburg will also want to annex.


well, I drive down Hwy. 98 every day when I'm at work. I've seen one place that is "scalped". The other new construction by Newpoint is office buildings. I haven't seen anything to back up your claim that Hattiesburg is planning to annex Newpoint. Another bend of the truth or do you sit up late at night dreaming this crap up. Hattiesburg has said repeatedly they are not going to annex that area.




[quote]Bold emphasis mine; I have enough cans, thanks for the advice. The problem is the life cycle of a fly is less than 7 days. Within two days of pick up time, thousands of maggots are climbing from within the cans and when I pick up the lids, clouds of flies assault an escape.

If you have that big of a problem with flies and maggots, you don't need two day garbage pick up, you need an exterminator.:smt119



Bold emphasis mine; How could I be so dumb…especially when Danny Riegel is on record in the Hattiesburg American saying “Lamar County still backs up Hattiesburg on a regular basis…”

#1 Or maybe seeing Lamar County doing traffic control within the city limits of Hattiesburg during football games.

#2 Or Purvis, Lumberton, and Sumrall using the Lamar county jail to house their prisoners.

#3 Or Lamar County paying to pave Westover, in the Hattiesburg limits, this summer.

#4 Or that if I even believe your superbly informed self that if a 911 call is submitted for assistance, any law would slam on brakes before reaching the scene to pull out a city limit map and wait for a city responder to be first in line!

#5 Or various other towns throughout the state with the same cooperative mechanisms in place that subsidize city services with county services.


There is a big difference for a law enforcement agency to back up another officer if needed, and answering calls and patrolling in that area. Lamar County Sheriff's Dept. rarely backs up officers in cities because it is not needed. They do not answer calls or patrol those cities. The only reason they direct traffic in the city of Hattiesburg after Oak Grove football games is because the deputies are already working the game. There are so many people at the games that they HELP Hattiesburg P.D. with the traffic.

I worked all summer driving down Westover Dr. and never saw any county trucks paving inside the City. Sure would like to see where you get your so called "Facts".

[r13]

Common sense? If you can't back up your "I'll tell you" and "think about that" comments with proof, then I wouldn't call that common sense. Can't say anyone else would either!

By saying the truth is bent when I backed up my view with facts and then saying it is mess when you didn't...well that is laughable. Believe as you want...but know why.

You haven't showed anything to prove your comments are facts. You've said they were, but you haven't showed anything to prove they were. :smt102

[Kitty]

:icon_behe

If a gun doesn't work....

[58ford]

:smt015:bonk::eusa_doh::zelfmoord:sob:

[Bahlk]

:autogun: :rip:

[wilebill]

Real political suicide or fake MH suicide?

[MrPaulB007]

I haven't seen anything to back up your claim that Hattiesburg is planning to annex Newpoint. Another bend of the truth or do you sit up late at night dreaming this crap up. Hattiesburg has said repeatedly they are not going to annex that area.
Don't believe me, ask Hal Mcmahon at Season's. He is there almost every day for lunch greeting customers. Ask him if OG doesn't become a city, when will he become part of Hattiesburg. I might even buy your lunch just to see you eat crow!
Hattiesburg NEVER said it would'nt annex that area...what are you smoking? How do you think Hattiesburg's sales tax doubled in the last 9 years? Oak Grove used to START at 40th avenue!
BTW, between 12 hour minimum work days, giving aid to famlily at various times of the night, and being courteous in trying to repond to you diligently, I rarely have time to dream of anything...I have to know what my future is.








If you have that big of a problem with flies and maggots, you don't need two day garbage pick up, you need an exterminator.:smt119
Bleach and scrub the cans weekly, Raid them down, keep trash fluids to a minimum...life cycle of fly is still less than seven days. Maybe your trash is just better than mine and your crap doesn't stink!



There is a big difference for a law enforcement agency to back up another officer if needed, and answering calls and patrolling in that area. Lamar County Sheriff's Dept. rarely backs up officers in cities because it is not needed. They do not answer calls or patrol those cities. The only reason they direct traffic in the city of Hattiesburg after Oak Grove football games is because the deputies are already working the game. There are so many people at the games that they HELP Hattiesburg P.D. with the traffic.
First you say in a prior post they don't "respond at all," now you say "rarely"...admit you are wrong and Manup! And for whatever "reason" you previously say is "not needed" you go on to say Lamar county directs traffic in Hattiesburg limits. Thanks for proving my point. Why doesn't Hattiesburg do this service IT is paid to do with taxes? Do you realize that when you say Lamar county "...Help HPD..." you are again verifying my point? "Help" is a synonym for SUBSIDIZE...thanks for the...help!

I worked all summer driving down Westover Dr. and never saw any county trucks paving inside the City. Sure would like to see where you get your so called "Facts".

Call the Lamar County Road Manager at 601-544-4410. Ask him who funded the paving of Westover Drive within the city limits of Hattiesburg. Or if you go to Season's to eat the crow I discussed earlier, I will call him for you and put him on speaker phone so you can have it from the horse's mouth. You can have crow for lunch, and crow for desert!:smt106

[MrPaulB007]

You haven't showed anything to prove your comments are facts. You've said they were, but you haven't showed anything to prove they were. :smt102

History and current events prove most of what I said...When I prove what I said, I dare you to start a thread titled "Turnip wrong, OG should be a city."

Or back try to back up your assertions with facts, which you've never done. Better yet, if you don't want to admit you are wrong, just prove that I am...:smt026

[r13]

I saw Mr. P yesterday spending money in the city of Hattiesburg.

Doing business with the enemy????

TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:smt078

[Hub a Bubba]

:smt006 Testing 1 - 2 - 3. Testing 1 - 2 - 3.

[SoMissTV]

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[Bahlk]

This thread should be :closed:

LOL

[ladybelle]

I'm curious: how many of you people talking about the Oak Grove issue actually LIVE in Oak Grove, and how many actually live WITHIN the proposed incorporation area.

[Hub a Bubba]

Start a poll!!!!!:smt038