Should teachers be able to have guns? Yes or no, and why.

[Derrick B]

I will be a teacher soon and would really like to know what everyone thinks about the dangers we face and if you think we should be allowed to have handguns or not and why. There is a lot of school violence in the local news now days, and theres even more thats not reported. Just a survey:smt102

[SoMissTV]

We already have a thread started about this...

the short answer is no.

I couldn't find the link to the thread, but I believe it was a poll started by Zorro.

[bartspoon]

I think they should not carry guns. If teachers have to carry guns we need to just close the schools.

I do believe the teachers and the students should have a plan if a man does come in with a gun. Maybe doors should be locked during class. Im all for the teacher carring keys.

also i know when i was in school, i made some of my teachers so mad if they had been armed they might have shot me.

[fuzzis]

http://www.myhattiesburg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12815

[Derrick B]

Sorry didn't know about the other thread but it looks like the were talking about where Wisconsin where teachers are going to be trained to carry them if they want to. I do however, as a future teacher think it is a good idea. I know a school district near Hattiesburg that tried the lock door policy and it prevented a pregnant teacher fron unlocking the door while two students were fighting and throwing desks. The school has had a lot of violence at it so when the children heard the desk hit the walls the thought it was gun fire and hid, finally the principle was called and the two students were taken to the office. If anyone thinks this is the same post, add it to the other one but the other one is not a quick yes or no answer.....and why...

[fuzzis]

The answer cannot be a quick yes or no and why. And really...the two are talking about the exact same thing.

I don't quite follow your example of the pregnant teacher and the locked door policy. Are you trying to use that as a reason for why teachers should be armed? Or as an example of why locked door policies don't work? :confused:

fuzzis

[zorro]

This was my last post from the other thread
I think that it is interesting that the only law enforcement officer posting thus far responded with a liability insurance issue being the problem, and not with the magical idea that only law enforcement officers can protect someone else with guns.

If I was a teacher (and this is a profession that I seriously considered, and I have taught classes rarely through the years on special occasions), I am sure that I would view the students as vice principal Joel Myrick did, and as many other teachers do, as “my kids” during the time that they have been entrusted to my care. If I was a teacher and I was given the opportunity to carry a concealed firearm for the protection of my students (as well as myself), I would not fail to take this opportunity. If adequate training was paid and provided for me, then that would be additional icing on the cake.

I’ve carried a firearm often for several years now and nobody knows it when I do. I’ve taken 4 different multi-day firearms courses (from 4 different excellent firearms/self defense instructors) and I have practiced many hours on my own. I plan to take another course this year. There is nothing magic here. I think that you should be adequately trained with a firearm, and you need to be able to switch to a warrior mindset at the proper moment. In each class that I took, in order to cultivate this mindset, I would train imagining that my targets were individuals threatening my children, who I love with all my heart. Competence, familiarity, and resulting confidence thus develops. It is not magic!

By having the name “teacher”, it doesn’t mean that you are incompetent to do anything else, or that you are unable to learn if you have the desire. Certainly, no one is advocating this for someone without the desire to do so, or who psychologically would be a poor candidate for such. However, I believe that there are many that would be good candidates for such a job as this and who would be willing to step to the plate to do it.

If I was the last barrier between my students and a murderous gunman in the school, I truly would hope that a chalkboard eraser was not going to be all that I had at my disposal to defend my students. Call this crazy if you like, but in my mind, it is not this type of thinking that is crazy.

I have a picture saved to my computer that could easily be adapted to the situation we are discussing. The picture is of a woman in an office cowering behind a desk and a man is running around this large office shooting people. There is an empty thought bubble above the woman’s head. The picture has the following words beside it:

You are trapped in a building with a crazed gunman. Which thought do you suppose would go through your mind?

Clearly this person lacks problem solving skills!
What we need are more gun control laws!
I wish I had a gun!

[dollfus46]

Sorry didn't know about the other thread but it looks like the were talking about where Wisconsin where teachers are going to be trained to carry them if they want to. I do however, as a future teacher think it is a good idea. I know a school district near Hattiesburg that tried the lock door policy and it prevented a pregnant teacher fron unlocking the door while two students were fighting and throwing desks. The school has had a lot of violence at it so when the children heard the desk hit the walls the thought it was gun fire and hid, finally the principle was called and the two students were taken to the office. If anyone thinks this is the same post, add it to the other one but the other one is not a quick yes or no answer.....and why...

Well, steps need to be taken to insure that people with no business at the school even get on the grounds, much less inside the building. I could be mistaken, but that doesn't seem like an insermountable task. But kids and teachers (who put their lives on the line at times like these to protect YOUR kids) deserve to feel safe. It angers me that children have to live in fear. Really angers me. Kids should be all about learning and having fun and being protected. They have to face this dangerous world soon enough.

[Kitty]

I posted this on another thread, but when Luke Woodham went on his killing spree at Pearl High School in 1997, the assistant principal went to his car and got his .45-caliber handgun and was able to hold Woodham at bay until law enforcement arrived. This action likely saved lives that day.

Do school district law enforcement personnel carry guns? :smt102

[aaron]

We take prayer out of schools, and lobby to put guns in them. What is going on?

[dollfus46]

We take prayer out of schools, and lobby to put guns in them. What is going on?

Between the ears? Nada apparently. Good correlation. Or perhaps an oxymoron, as in Congressioal wisdom, eh? Go figure.

[dave06668]

while i think every law abiding american has the right to bear arms,i hate that we live in a time,when school teachers have to make a decison like this.
To me,its a hard question.

[Desert Donkey]

I think it should be an option, to be used or not at the teachers' discretion. I think it would foster a sense of uncertainty on the part of some potential school-shooters; it's hard to go down in a blaze of media glory if the teacher puts a double-tap through your 10-ring when you start threatening the students.

All the hoopla over who should be "allowed" to have guns is absurd. If you don't like guns, don't buy them. I don't like 200 MPH capable street bikes, but I wouldn't presume to tell anyone they couldn't have one.

[Janedoe]

I am a teacher. I teach members of most of the gangs in Hburg...in fact, I taught the Hill brothers (driveby perps). I don't think a gun would make me feel any more safe than I do now. I would never want to shoot a child. I don't think it is a wise decision for teachers to carry weapons .Maybe have an administartor who is allowed to carry 1. Students often steal from teachers now. Imagine if they knew we had guns. They would loot us! Take our guns & might even use them on us. I think the best thing I can do is to form relationships with my students . I cannot control what they do in the streets but I can expect them to act right in my presence...& they always do. Even the Hill brothers. I have read on here people saying "Shouldnt they be in school"? Well most of the shootings are happeneing before or after school hours. I can understand that being the answer but I can assure you that we educators are doing all that we can. When I went to school to become a teacher I had no idea I would also have to be a mother, friend, counselor, drill sergent, & be trained in gang trends. The parents send them to us to raise nowadays.I have students who come to school hungry & I give them the food off of my plate. I have students whom I offer to do laundry for so they dont get picked on for wearing the smae clothes all week. I have students who have no soap & toiletries at home. And we have a really safe campus despite the gang stuff & poverty. BUT WE CANT CONTROL WHAT THEY DO OFF CAMPUS. That is up to the parents, community, & HPD. Please keep educators in your prayers & if you know a teacher....ask them if they need someone to talk to about everything we see each day. No one ever does that.

[Janedoe]

oh & let me add that....even the worst thugs in the world love their teachers. They crave discipline like any other kid. So I know if the parents gave a rats azz they could get them to listen!

[SoMissTV]

You are trapped in a classroom with a student who has wrestled your gun away from you. Which thought do you suppose would go through your mind?
Maybe the teacher from next door will come in and shoot this guy!
I should have brought two guns with me; that would've solved the problem!
Why did I have a gun in a classroom!

[SoMissTV]

You are trapped in a building with a teacher suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness. This teacher has a gun. Which thought do you suppose would go through your mind?
Clearly, students should be allowed to carry guns to combat this problem!
Why is my teacher allowed to have a gun!

[izzy]

You are trapped in a building with a teacher suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness. This teacher has a gun. Which thought do you suppose would go through your mind?

Clearly, students should be allowed to carry guns to combat this problem!
Why is my teacher allowed to have a gun!

This is exactly what I'm thinking.

[Biggie]

I don't think teachers should carry a gun. They probably would panic and the gun go off and hit one of them kids. I think they should just hire a security guard with some trainning and make all the visitors go through a medal detector or even pat everyone down.

I went to that Saints game in Jackson back in August and they pat down everyone before they could enter.

[Desert Donkey]

It's really starting to sound like the parents of the up-and-coming thuggz need to have their teeth kicked out for neglecting their childrens' upbringing. The east side of town is starting to strongly resemble some places in Iraq, and I see it getting much worse on account of the moral cowardice that pervades our whole country. Seeing what needs to be done and doing it is practically against the law now.

[dollfus46]

It's really starting to sound like the parents of the up-and-coming thuggz need to have their teeth kicked out for neglecting their childrens' upbringing. The east side of town is starting to strongly resemble some places in Iraq, and I see it getting much worse on account of the moral cowardice that pervades our whole country. Seeing what needs to be done and doing it is practically against the law now.

I'm a firm believer in the law punishing the parents for the indiscretions of their children. When Mommy has to go to jail for not raising her kids, they find it real inconvenient, not to mention they are responsible for the parent being in jail. The law can punish me for not putting on my seat belt. Why? Makes everybody's insurance go up when I get hurt. Why can't they apply the same reasoning to juvenile delinquents' parents? Cost's money to patrol the streets looking for criminal minded kids. Money you and I have to pay for because some other parent won't raise his kids. Will never happen but it's an idea anyway.

[Derrick B]

Read this, this was my main point. Sometimes guns save lives. http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OthWr/principal&gun.htm this man saved alot of jr high children's lives and was never looked at the same by his peers. I, as I've said before will be a teacher soon, but I know that we are not protected enough and dont have the administration on our side because of a possible law suit by an unhappy parent. I know a teacher in the HPS system that was under constant threats and was told nothing could be dont until one of the children acted on her. These were young males claiming that they would gang rape her . She told her husband and walked out the next day. If the schools wont protect us who will?

[zorro]

Sometimes guns save lives.
Absolutely correct! And the estimates that this occurs each year are higher than most people imagine.

[politically incorrect]

As a teacher, I think that allowing certain well-trained teachers to carry a concealed firearm would be ok, but I wouldn't want every teacher to have a gun. Like someone said, it is likely that a deranged kid could wrestle the gun from one of them and start shooting.

As for metal detectors and the like, the first person shot at the U.S. Capitol a few years ago was the guard at the metal detector. It is not the perfect solution. Someone bent on killing people does not care if they first have to kill a person at a metal detector. Neither do they care that they are breaking some firearms law about having guns on school property. Murder is the worst law you can break.

Parents need to be held responsible for their children breaking curfew and getting into trouble. Take the kid to juvenile detention and the mother and father (more likely their is no father around) to jail. The word will get around real quick that you better keep an eye on junior or go to the cross-bar motel.

[izzy]

I understand that schools have serious problems that can't be easily solved. But I can't be part of that system. I can't send my kids to a place that's under superficial lockdown to a teacher who will first assume they are thugs worthy of a bullet. Of course, my bias is that my kids are the perfect ones who will only raise your test score composites and get your school positive press for their wonderfulness. I get it. I do. I get that teachers are overworked and anxious. I simply choose not to bother the troubled schools or overwrought teachers with my kids.

[nooskye]

I'm a firm believer in the law punishing the parents for the indiscretions of their children. When Mommy has to go to jail for not raising her kids, they find it real inconvenient, not to mention they are responsible for the parent being in jail. The law can punish me for not putting on my seat belt. Why? Makes everybody's insurance go up when I get hurt. Why can't they apply the same reasoning to juvenile delinquents' parents? Cost's money to patrol the streets looking for criminal minded kids. Money you and I have to pay for because some other parent won't raise his kids. Will never happen but it's an idea anyway.


Making parents responsible for their kids actions would be LOVELY!! I say PASS IT! LOL ... I know I'm not a perfect mom, by no means ... but by golly, my kids know they better NOT step out of line, even on their manners, with me ... (ask them ... my oldest will tell you real quick :)) ... but, I guess that goes back to how I was raised ... by a 30 year Active ARMY MSG ...

Besides ... if the school board, district and Truencey Officers can make the parents get their kids to school, by imposing a $225.00 fine if they don't, why can't they make the parents responsible for their other actions as well???

[nooskye]

I simply choose not to bother the troubled schools or overwrought teachers with my kids.

Do you Home School?? I've been seriously considering it for my girls ...

[TheKing]

im probably about to get modded down for this...but oh well...i just wont post on the boards anymore

if you think there should be ANY guns in school...wether it be a security guard or the teachers themselves...then youre the biggest dumbass this state has ever seen...and weve had plenty of high quality dumbasses

what kind of a world are we coming to where we even entertain the idea of a teacher in our schools carrying a gun?

im not even going to get into the implications of the type of culture change that would bring about...even with our students getting more and more brazen and there being more and more violence in the schools

but people are getting more violent because of the one-upmanship mentality...and do you honestly think its gonna help anything if youre trying to one-up the violent students by bringing a frikken gun into the schools?

Derrick and Zorro...this 'sometimes guns save lives' BS is about the biggest crock of BS that I have heard here...in a pack of dumbasses...you are the silverbacks....

My defense for that statement is this...sometimes people not wearing a seat belt saves their life over actually wearing it...but the odds are against you in a big way....

You can think about that 'one time'...but think about how many times something has gone wrong for that 'one time' or 'sometimes' to happen.

The sad thing is...im a mostly conservative republican and im having to be the 'liberal' person here...

[Maggie-Doodle]

nooskye WHEN and WHERE did a parent get a $225.00 fine for not sending their kids to school? THAT is a miracle!
I probably filed over 450 truency reports in a period of approx. 6 years.. I have only ever know 5 that actually had to pay a fine....and then only a fine of $50.00...the others just rocked on, charges being signed on several of them more than one time after the original charges were signed by the officer.

Most of the truency officers work several schools and needless to say, have a hard time trying to keep caught up on their paperwork. The parents are given at least four chances before charges are signed on them. I don't know what the answer to the situation is but unless things have changed in the last year, what they are doing now is not very successful...of course alot of that also falls back on the judges who are reluctant to put the parents in jail. The truency officers that I have dealt with in the Burg have really had their hands full....and have done an amazing job with little help from the state in providing them more help. It is a shame that the court system also doesn't seem to want to back them up either.

[dave06668]

in a pack of dumbasses...you are the silverbacks....
wtf???????

[dave06668]

you tell em king,and in a pack of wise asses they are the crabs in a bucket:nerd:

[nooskye]

nooskye WHEN and WHERE did a parent get a $225.00 fine for not sending their kids to school? THAT is a miracle!
I probably filed over 450 truency reports in a period of approx. 6 years.. I have only ever know 5 that actually had to pay a fine....and then only a fine of $50.00...the others just rocked on, charges being signed on several of them more than one time after the original charges were signed by the officer.

Most of the truency officers work several schools and needless to say, have a hard time trying to keep caught up on their paperwork. The parents are given at least four chances before charges are signed on them. I don't know what the answer to the situation is but unless things have changed in the last year, what they are doing now is not very successful...of course alot of that also falls back on the judges who are reluctant to put the parents in jail. The truency officers that I have dealt with in the Burg have really had their hands full....and have done an amazing job with little help from the state in providing them more help. It is a shame that the court system also doesn't seem to want to back them up either.



This in itself sounds like the reason it's not working ... parents know they can get away with letting their kids get away with slackin ... Lack of Personal Responsibility.

I do not know of any particualr case of a parent having to actually pay a fine ... I apologize for it sounding otherwise ... but it's clear as day, printed in my daughter's student handbook, that if the kids miss more than five days unexcused, then the parents are subject to penalty of $225.00 by the School District's Truencey Officer. (LoL! I've used this "threat" on my mom-in-law for wanting to check my kid out all the time ...) What about the officer's that stay at the school all day (in Lamar County's case ... I'm not sure about other school districts) ... in between their rounds or whatever, can't they do some of the paperwork, at least, for the Truency Officers ... and let the TOs actually go and do the leg work? And the "they are there to protect" spill LOL ... IMO they talk and b/s just as much as the teachers do ... ;) Seriously though ... it's like thye've never heard of delegating responsibility ... aren't they both employed law enforcement for the school district?

[Maggie-Doodle]

nooskye: the school resource officers are employed by the school district...the truency officers are employee's of the state...

The t.o.'s go to the schools, get with the individual office staff and get the names of the ones not attending regularly. It is then up to the t.o. to send letters to the parents asking for a meeting with them. If there is no response they then send letters to the parents giving warnings. This goes on multiple times...the letters are sent registered via U.S. Mail so the parent has to sign...that way they can't say they didn't receive the letter...after about 4 warnings they sign charges. I doubt that the r.o. would have time to do all the paper, nor would they want to.

You are right about the parents slackin...they know the t.o.'s have more than enuf to do and it takes along time to get thru the system...they also know that in most instances the jail is full and can't take them in the first place..so they pretty much figure they get a free ride one way or the other!

[nooskye]

Crazy ... is all I can say ... to all of it ...

[zorro]

Derrick and Zorro...this 'sometimes guns save lives' BS is about the biggest crock of BS that I have heard here...in a pack of dumbasses...you are the silverbacks....

Well, I've heard of silverbacks when applied to gorillas, but not to asses. And so, I found these definitions of "silverback" on urbandictionary.com:

1. A term used to describe the larger "buck" or bigger undomesticated black male. Usually a parolee because his larger size from regular meals and lifting weights.

2. a state of mind where a person loses all human inhibitions and becomes a silverback gorilla. this is usually triggered when the potential silverback is subjected to intense clownage. indications of this phenomenon include a gorilla looking face and body and movement using all four limbs. extra body hair may appear and the silverback may slur some obscenties and make vulgar gestures. the phase only lasts about one minute, after that the silverback starts to laugh as though trying to play it off. also used as simply 'silver'.

3. Street gang leader, The Alpha male or dominant person in the group. A large person acting like a wild animal.

And so, TK, what definition of "silverback" did you have in mind? And is anybody who disagrees with you "a dumbass" in your estimation? Is there a possibility that you could be "a dumbass"? Why or why not? Is there a possibility that you resort to namecalling when you don't have much of an argument and you think that this methodology will somehow bolster what weak one that you might have?

I've got a suggestion for you to consider: just state your argument about something and let it go at that. Namecalling just makes you look like what you are accusing others of being.

[fuzzis]

im having to be the 'liberal' person here...

Welcome to my world. *sigh*

fuzzis

[dave06668]

Well, I've heard of silverbacks when applied to gorillas, but not to asses. And so, I found these definitions of "silverback" on urbandictionary.com:

1. A term used to describe the larger "buck" or bigger undomesticated black male. Usually a parolee because his larger size from regular meals and lifting weights.

2. a state of mind where a person loses all human inhibitions and becomes a silverback gorilla. this is usually triggered when the potential silverback is subjected to intense clownage. indications of this phenomenon include a gorilla looking face and body and movement using all four limbs. extra body hair may appear and the silverback may slur some obscenties and make vulgar gestures. the phase only lasts about one minute, after that the silverback starts to laugh as though trying to play it off. also used as simply 'silver'.

3. Street gang leader, The Alpha male or dominant person in the group. A large person acting like a wild animal.

And so, TK, what definition of "silverback" did you have in mind? And is anybody who disagrees with you "a dumbass" in your estimation? Is there a possibility that you could be "a dumbass"? Why or why not? Is there a possibility that you resort to namecalling when you don't have much of an argument and you think that this methodology will somehow bolster what weak one that you might have?

I've got a suggestion for you to consider: just state your argument about something and let it go at that. Namecalling just makes you look like what you are accusing others of being.
if we would have let dolmite stay a little longer i might could decipher some of this jibberish,they come up with some stuff thats OUT THERE!:smt118 I wonder if they are the same person?

[wilebill]

In civil, organized discussions, ideas can be described as dumb or stupid or whatever, but the person giving them should not be described as such. Everybody has dumb ideas from time to time, nobody's exempt from that.

But this only applies if you intend to have a civil discussion. :smt102

[Derrick B]

im probably about to get modded down for this...but oh well...i just wont post on the boards anymore

if you think there should be ANY guns in school...wether it be a security guard or the teachers themselves...then youre the biggest dumbass this state has ever seen...and weve had plenty of high quality dumbasses

what kind of a world are we coming to where we even entertain the idea of a teacher in our schools carrying a gun?

im not even going to get into the implications of the type of culture change that would bring about...even with our students getting more and more brazen and there being more and more violence in the schools

but people are getting more violent because of the one-upmanship mentality...and do you honestly think its gonna help anything if youre trying to one-up the violent students by bringing a frikken gun into the schools?

Derrick and Zorro...this 'sometimes guns save lives' BS is about the biggest crock of BS that I have heard here...in a pack of dumbasses...you are the silverbacks....

My defense for that statement is this...sometimes people not wearing a seat belt saves their life over actually wearing it...but the odds are against you in a big way....

You can think about that 'one time'...but think about how many times something has gone wrong for that 'one time' or 'sometimes' to happen.

The sad thing is...im a mostly conservative republican and im having to be the 'liberal' person here... Well you might want to change parties because if the liberals get their hands on the gun laws onl criminals will have guns. Why talk so bad about "Zorro" for his opinion. He has one just like you, just doesnt berate other people who he doesnt agree with. Guns and seat belts, apples and oranges? Last time I checked you could still die with a seat belt on, but I bet my life that if someone had a gun and I had a gun and one of us tried to kill each other and the a gun was unloaded one of us would be dead and going to jail. On the other hand if we ran into each and one of us chose not wear a seatbelt it would be our own faults not be buckled in.
Listen Mr King what about the 8th grader that shot the teacher in the face? Read my link about the Pearl Principle and think about the Jr high kids he saved but we're just dumbasses, well if we are then Hail KING DUMBASS, HAIL KING...lol:smt070

[dollfus46]

The sad thing is...im a mostly conservative republican ..

That truly is sad. I'm embarrassed to be one now.

[fuzzis]

Edited because your offensive comments have been deleted by a mod.

As SoMissTV says....

Best.
Comeback.
Ever.

Seriously...get some help for that writing problem. When you apply to school districts, you're going to have to make a written statement. Coaches aren't a high demand position, and if that's the best you've got, you'll never even get a second look. It would be a shame for you to have spent all this time and effort on a teaching certificate if you can't use it because you've shot yourself in the foot with poor presentation skills.

fuzzis

[dollfus46]

Out of the many, I can think of only one I didn't deserve, so I crapped in a shoe box and mailed it to her. She was a 5th grade old maid, baptist radical who made us memorize the 10 Commandments (long version). If you screwed up on one, you got the ruler. We hated her guts. One shy kid was so scared of her that he pissed his pants at his desk when this biach called on him.

TMI!! TMI!!

[kevin]

NO they shouldn't.Reason, many but one name .Mr.Muli nice guy no gun though....

[wilebill]

Wow. This thread has degenerated quickly. Kinda like the Miami-FIU free for all.

[fuzzis]

And I suppose I can expect a reputation ding from your lovely bride, too, right Derrick? The two of you do work in tandem.

:roll:

fuzzis

[fuzzis]

edited because your original post was deleted by a mod.

Being able to construct a sentence and a logical argument have nothing to do with typing skills, Derrick. If your teachers have let you get away with that thinking, then you should demand your money back from the university you're attending because they have done you a huge disservice.

As I said earlier in this thread, it's not a simple question and cannot be reduced to such. If you want to be understood...regardless of your wife or child...perhaps you need to put a little thought and effort into your response rather than a knee-jerk reaction. Posting on a message board gives you some latitude, but it doesn't mean that you should just vomit some letters on the screen and expect people to not respond to it when it is relatively unintelligble.

I was a bit miffed at those who said that teachers shouldn't have guns because an unstable one might go off on a student because that portrays teachers as not being in control of themselves nor as the professionals that they truly are. Your posts here, though, prove the point about unstable teachers rather nicely. :(

fuzzis

[jojobeans1120]

And I suppose I can expect a reputation ding from your lovely bride, too, right Derrick? The two of you do work in tandem.

:roll:

fuzzis


Thank you for ASSUMING that I cannot speak for myself. I do, however, have a mind of my own. I do not need my husband to speak on my behalf. I can understand his frustration with you. I agree with him that we're here to post our opinions. We're not here searching for approval or acceptance by you or anyone else. I strongly disapprove of his comments and have told him so. I do not approve of him calling someone else an ugly name b/c they happen to disagree with him no more than i approve of others doing the same thing.

[Derrick B]

:smt119 Being able to construct a sentence and a logical argument have nothing to do with typing skills, Derrick. If your teachers have let you get away with that thinking, then you should demand your money back from the university you're attending because they have done you a huge disservice.

As I said earlier in this thread, it's not a simple question and cannot be reduced to such. If you want to be understood...regardless of your wife or child...perhaps you need to put a little thought and effort into your response rather than a knee-jerk reaction. Posting on a message board gives you some latitude, but it doesn't mean that you should just vomit some letters on the screen and expect people to not respond to it when it is relatively unintelligble.

I was a bit miffed at those who said that teachers shouldn't have guns because an unstable one might go off on a student because that portrays teachers as not being in control of themselves nor as the professionals that they truly are. Your posts here, though, prove the point about unstable teachers rather nicely. :(

fuzzis
This is the second time tonight, and you also did it when I first joined the board, that you have talked about my typing and sentence structure skills. Well they may not be the best but I'm not on here to be told how to write correctly, I have a teaching packet already and a job already lined up. Dont worry, theres no need to correct my spelling or sentence structure, like I said I was in a hurry. When you start giving me a grade that really matters in my life I will start worrying about how I type but until then waste your own time spell checking and proofreading my papers.Get off my back and stick your nose in a book or a hundred.

[LipsofanAngel]

No wonder MS is at the bottom in terms of education. When teachers can't construct a coherent sentence (or argument), we expect students to able to? :smt021 (and there's quite a bit of research out there that suggests that things like writing across the curriculum needs to happen even in PE so coaches don't have an out anymore)

Criminy.

fuzzis

Fuzzis- I understand your frustration with the education system in MS. I am often disappointed in it as well, and firmly believe that something needs to change to improve the education of our children as well as the safety of everyone in the schools. BUT- I am extremely offended by your generalization (or what appears to me as a generalization) that teachers in MS are stupid and illiterate. My mother is a teacher... a damn good one. Just because there are some (not pointing fingers at anyone on here) that are not good teachers, doesn't give you the right to assume that there are not men and women in MS schools that bust their ass everyday trying to make a difference in these kids' lives and help them grow to be responsible educated individuals.

[fuzzis]

Fuzzis- I understand your frustration with the education system in MS. I am often disappointed in it as well, and firmly believe that something needs to change to improve the education of our children as well as the safety of everyone in the schools. BUT- I am extremely offended by your generalization (or what appears to me as a generalization) that teachers in MS are stupid and illiterate. My mother is a teacher... a damn good one. Just because there are some (not pointing fingers at anyone on here) that are not good teachers, doesn't give you the right to assume that there are not men and women in MS schools that bust their ass everyday trying to make a difference in these kids' lives and help them grow to be responsible educated individuals.

Oh, I totally understand that, and I meant no offense to teachers like your mother. But...there are several here, just like everywhere...that are reasons why systems don't achieve their potential. I've been working with the fruits of those efforts for the last week, and I can tell you having looked at what those "teachers" deem to be evidence of meeting a standard, it truly is no wonder that MS ranks where it does. When teachers do not have command what what students are supposed to learn, you can't quite blame students for not making progress.

One of the good things about NCLB is that hopefully those teachers will not continue to be in the classroom. As long as any state allows unqualified teachers in the classroom, it makes the work of those who are dedicated even harder. It comes to a point where you can't overcome the ineptitude of those before you and creates a vicious cycle.

fuzzis

[Derrick B]

I agree and I have to take the Praxis 1 and Praxis 2 which I have and passed and the BTLE and pass alot of other classes to teach. Not to mention student teaching along with helping raise a family. Fuzzis the reason MS is in the poor shape it's in is because we have 152 school districts. 4 In the local area Petal, Forrest county, Hattiesburg Public schools, and Lamar County schools. That's 4 central offices, 4 Superintendents offices,and all the other administration thats goes along with schools. We need more teacher accountability and less teachers not teaching. Sorry if I was rude, I should not let people who mean nothing to me get under my skin

[dave06668]

im gone be ah teecher muself one nees daze,i awlredy knows mu guzintas.watch 2 guzinta 4 2 times 4 guzinta 12 3 times:smt118

[fuzzis]

I agree and I have to take the Praxis 1 and Praxis 2 which I have and passed and the BTLE and pass alot of other classes to teach. Not to mention student teaching along with helping raise a family. Fuzzis the reason MS is in the poor shape it's in is because we have 152 school districts. 4 In the local area Petal, Forrest county, Hattiesburg Public schools, and Lamar County schools. That's 4 central offices, 4 Superintendents offices,and all the other administration thats goes along with schools. We need more teacher accountability and less teachers not teaching. Sorry if I was rude, I should not let people who mean nothing to me get under my skin

The reason MS is in this shape educationally has nothing to do with the number of school districts it has. It has everything to do with the quality of teachers in the classroom. There is quite a bit of research out there that shows that the number one predictor of student success is the teacher in the classroom. If your professors have not let you in on that secret, or had you examine those issues, again...you should demand your money back because they have done you a huge disservice.

You could start by reading some Linda Darling Hammond (http://cw.mariancollege.edu/mreardon/755/document%20repository/LDH_1999.pdf) (telling me to put my nose in a book is not an insult).

fuzzis

[Kitty]

. . . the reason MS is in the poor shape it's in is because we have 152 school districts. 4 In the local area Petal, Forrest county, Hattiesburg Public schools, and Lamar County schools. That's 4 central offices, 4 Superintendents offices,and all the other administration thats goes along with schools. We need more teacher accountability and less teachers not teaching. . . .

At the risk of taking this thread further off course, I agree with Derrick B. about the number of school districts in Mississippi--the administrative overhead that is being used to fund 152 "central offices" in each district could be better used for instructional purposes.

Some of these districts are still maintaining K-12 "attendance centers" that need to be consolidated into one county high school. These districts (and the taxpayers) aren't getting the most bang for the buck, and the students, IMO, are missing out on opportunities that simply cannot be offered in multiple high schools, but could be offered in one consolidated high school.

Of course, any sort of consolidation "talk" is a political hot potato, and it would take real courage on the part of local school boards to advance such a proposition.

It's really no different at the post-secondary level, either--Mississippi really cannot afford eight state universities, but who would have the political courage to close any of them down?

[fuzzis]

At the risk of taking this thread further off course, I agree with Derrick B. about the number of school districts in Mississippi--the administrative overhead that is being used to fund 152 "central offices" in each district could be better used for instructional purposes.

Some of these districts are still maintaining K-12 "attendance centers" that need to be consolidated into one county high school. These districts (and the taxpayers) aren't getting the most bang for the buck, and the students, IMO, are missing out on opportunities that simply cannot be offered in multiple high schools, but could be offered in one consolidated high school.



Administrative overhead may affect the choices that students have in terms of the classes they can take...but it does not affect the quality of teacher in the classroom. A quality teacher can differentiate instruction and provide some of those resources that students need.

fuzzis

[LipsofanAngel]

The reason MS is in this shape educationally has nothing to do with the number of school districts it has. It has everything to do with the quality of teachers in the classroom. There is quite a bit of research out there that shows that the number one predictor of student success is the teacher in the classroom. If your professors have not let you in on that secret, or had you examine those issues, again...you should demand your money back because they have done you a huge disservice.

You could start by reading some Linda Darling Hammond (http://cw.mariancollege.edu/mreardon/755/document%20repository/LDH_1999.pdf) (telling me to put my nose in a book is not an insult).

fuzzis

Fuzzis- Now that we've clarified that not ALL teachers in MS are terrible... then I will agree with you on your above comment. I think I maybe had a total of 4 teachers K-12 that actually challenged me in any way. It seemed as though the rest were just trying to fill up time so they wouldn't have to worry about their students actually learning. No offense to any coaches, but anyone that ever had a coach as their teacher knew you'd watch several movies and pretty much learn nothing. Here's one more example of the impact that the teacher has... I took Psychology as an elective in high school and HATED it. Well, get to college & had a professor that was willing to challenge and educate us and well, I end up a Psychology major and now in grad school. I attribute this completely to the fact that the high school teacher just didn't care if we learned or not. I don't know if the problem can be blamed on low pay (can we really expect to have the best teachers if we aren't willing to pay for it?) or what... but I hope that any and all teachers will stay up to date on research regarding teaching methods, etc. I'm all for teachers having to have continuuing education credits in order to maintain certification.
Hope that all made sense...

[LipsofanAngel]

At the risk of taking this thread further off course...


it is amazing how things seem to get so far off the original topic!

[fuzzis]

Fuzzis- Now that we've clarified that not ALL teachers in MS are terrible... then I will agree with you on your above comment. I think I maybe had a total of 4 teachers K-12 that actually challenged me in any way. It seemed as though the rest were just trying to fill up time so they wouldn't have to worry about their students actually learning. No offense to any coaches, but anyone that ever had a coach as their teacher knew you'd watch several movies and pretty much learn nothing. Here's one more example of the impact that the teacher has... I took Psychology as an elective in high school and HATED it. Well, get to college & had a professor that was willing to challenge and educate us and well, I end up a Psychology major and now in grad school. I attribute this completely to the fact that the high school teacher just didn't care if we learned or not. I don't know if the problem can be blamed on low pay (can we really expect to have the best teachers if we aren't willing to pay for it?) or what... but I hope that any and all teachers will stay up to date on research regarding teaching methods, etc. I'm all for teachers having to have continuuing education credits in order to maintain certification.
Hope that all made sense...

There's a reason why "highly qualified" was a component of NCLB. It's extremely important. However, states have managed to neuter that requirement. In my home state, originally, to be "highly qualified" at the 7-12 level, you had to possess a master's or doctorate in the subject you were teaching. After a great hue and cry, the requirement for "highly qualified" became master's or doctorate in the subject...or 18 credits in the subject...or three years teaching the subject. With that change, everyone in just about every classroom was "highly qualified", but nothing really changed. :smt119

fuzzis

[TheKing]

Wait...

DerrickB...youre the one who is going to be a teacher soon correct? Based on your sentence structure and spelling thusfar...I must say we are all in for a treat with you being a part of our education system.

Back to the original topic...As I said, I was aware that I was gonna get some rep dings for that, but oh well...it happens.

as far as the teacher who got shot in the face by the 8th grader...my heart goes out...it really really does...

But putting guns in the hands of a teacher isnt the answer...last thing we need is a teacher and a student walking ten paces to settle a dispute.

I am all for guns...I have a couple myself and would not hesitate to shoot some crackhead in the leg if he was on my porch stealing mickeys out of my fridge....

But schools are not the place for it

as far as everyone having a blast dinging my rep earlier...i would ask that you continue to do so...even though everybody has their right to an opinion...i am of the opinion that you deserve even worse name calling than i gave for having an opinion as absurd as teachers carrying guns.

if you think my comparing seatbelts and teachers carrying guns is apples and oranges...then you are incapable of seeing the big picture i was trying to paint...ill attempt once more before i give up

seat belts: Yes...there are occasions where actually NOT wearing the seat belt saved the persons life...but 100 other people who didnt wear their seat belt died when they very well could have lived before that one person survived....the odds arent with us

guns in schools: i have a prediction that says for every life a teacher saves by drawing down on a student...there will have been 100 other shot prematurely just because the teacher was packing heat...that is NOT worth it IMO

the answer to the problem lies with the parents....not with teachers holding a sidearm.

now mod this post down too

[noway]

KIng you make half way decent points but you always have to throw in a comment to piss everybody off..Not only on this thread but others..

Its real simple for everyone post your opinion and NOT call anyone names or use profanity of any kind on here.. .The agree or disagree crap MEANS NOTHING..

[dave06668]

This whole thing brings images of teachers completing firearm training a la the scene in Police Acadamy where everyone walks through the training course with the wooden cutouts poppoing out. Except this one is set in a university. Just like in the movie, everyone's performance on the course is a reflection of their personality. Then the meekest of all the teachers turns out to be the most aggressive. Hilarity ensues:smt038

[LipsofanAngel]

I might have to agree with theKing on this one.... I don't think more guns are the answer. And yes- I do consider myself conservative on the topic of gun control... I'm actually hoping to get a handgun for Christmas to have when I move next year... but back to teachers- If teachers have guns, then all this means is the crazies who come in the schools on a rampage know who they need to shoot first! As I mentioned, my mom is a teacher. Her with a gun? Not a good thing! And it pains me to think that if some teachers were packin' heat that this could put her at a higher risk as a target if a tragic incident were to take place in the school...
I just think we need to do something about the root of the problem. What is it that is causing this to be an issue to begin with, and how can THAT issue be solved....

[Derrick B]

Do you have any idea of what you'e talking about School finance is one the many presentations have had to do this semester. I remember in high school that MS had teacher strike because they were making $18,000 dollars a year. The average starting salary now $30,000 but the superinentendents salary average is almost $100,000. One school district in north MS has less than 300 students. Like I said earlier 4 school districts, four central offices, for different admin. buildings. My point is that the money that the teachers and admin. are making could be used to raise teachers pay and keep good ones here. NCLB is a big joke. It might as well be no child aloud to achieve more. Schools are now forced to teach the tests and their bench marks and its a federal mandate yet they give no money for it. Argue with me somemore I'm going to bed, have to study for school and read about Utah they are loosing the little Federal money they do get for schools because they refuse to teach the test. Goodnight

[dave06668]

I might have to agree with theKing on this one.... I don't think more guns are the answer. And yes- I do consider myself conservative on the topic of gun control... I'm actually hoping to get a handgun for Christmas to have when I move next year... but back to teachers- If teachers have guns, then all this means is the crazies who come in the schools on a rampage know who they need to shoot first! As I mentioned, my mom is a teacher. Her with a gun? Not a good thing! And it pains me to think that if some teachers were packin' heat that this could put her at a higher risk as a target if a tragic incident were to take place in the school...
I just think we need to do something about the root of the problem. What is it that is causing this to be an issue to begin with, and how can THAT issue be solved....moms at work,dads at work,nobodys home.

[fuzzis]

Do you have any idea of what you'e talking about

Yes...I do have an idea of what I'm talking about. Must be all those books I read. :roll: (Did you even look at the Darling-Hammond link I provided?)

fuzzis

[Derrick B]

Yes...I do have an idea of what I'm talking about. Must be all those books I read. :roll: (Did you even look at the Darling-Hammond link I provided?)

fuzzisDid you read the rest of my post, yes I did how about looking at the MS Dept of Ed website looking at all school districts multiply $100,000 by 150 plus secretaries assistences and staff not included. You cant face the fact that someone elses opinion might be as valid as your own. So you talk about them intellectually. I have a point, you have a point but of course because I cant type right you have to talk about me.. Fine someone else to bitch to bye bye:smt006

[fuzzis]

Did you read the rest of my post, yes I did how about looking at the MS Dept of Ed website looking at all school districts multiply $100,000 by 150 plus secretaries assistences and staff not included. You cant face the fact that someone elses opinion might be as valid as your own. So you talk about them intellectually. I have a point, you have a point but of course because I cant type right you have to talk about me.. Fine someone else to bitch to bye bye:smt006

Yes...I read the rest of your post (it's one of the things I do...along with reading books about education because it is a subject about which I care very deeply). :roll: And I maintain that administrative costs have little to do with the quality of teachers in the classroom. It is the quality of teachers in the classroom that makes the difference in student learning, which is why "highly qualified" was such an important component of the deeply flawed NCLB. If every classroom in MS had a qualified, competent teacher, you'd see a difference in the products our schools are producing.

fuzzis

[zorro]

If every classroom in MS had a qualified, competent teacher, you'd see a difference in the products our schools are producing.
This seems self-evident. The problem is, 'how do we get there?'. Another problem is even agreeing what determines whether an individual is a "highly qualified" and "competent" teacher.

[Derrick B]

http://www.aft.org/topics/nclb/MS.htm Look at how our government is not giving us the money to fund the NCLB. Good teachers are leaving Mississippi for better pay, not because they're better teachers, but because they can make more money and have better benifits. Pay them more they will stay. You sound like as much as you know you might be in administration yourself. lol

[fuzzis]

http://www.aft.org/topics/nclb/MS.htm Look at how our government is not giving us the money to fund the NCLB. Good teachers are leaving Mississippi for better pay, not because they're better teachers, but because they can make more money and have better benifits. Pay them more they will stay. You sound like as much as you know you might be in administration yourself. lol

Good teachers are leaving *teaching* not just for better pay but so they don't have to put up with the stuff that they're being asked to deal with. It's not just a matter of pay and moving to a state where they can make a better salary. Teachers are leaving *teaching* period. For years teachers have done with lower salaries, but it's getting to the point where there are too many hoops to jump through and no respect. That doesn't change with more money. It would be interesting to see where teachers go and whether when they leave a district, why they leave. I know a friend just quit in Hattiesburg not because of pay, but because she couldn't no longer deal with the situation in which she found herself...after 29 years of teaching.

Per your own site, almost every other state has the same type of shortfall that MS has so your point is weak at best.

fuzzis

[TheKing]

i weep for the future

[Derrick B]

Good teachers are leaving *teaching* not just for better pay but so they don't have to put up with the stuff that they're being asked to deal with. It's not just a matter of pay and moving to a state where they can make a better salary. Teachers are leaving *teaching* period. For years teachers have done with lower salaries, but it's getting to the point where there are too many hoops to jump through and no respect. That doesn't change with more money. It would be interesting to see where teachers go and whether when they leave a district, why they leave. I know a friend just quit in Hattiesburg not because of pay, but because she couldn't no longer deal with the situation in which she found herself...after 29 years of teaching.

Per your own site, almost every other state has the same type of shortfall that MS has so your point is weak at best.

fuzzis
My ipoint is weak because it doesn't agree with yours. By the way they (Teachers) have to deal with the same "stuff" as you call it in other states too. My point might be weak but it least it has numbers behind it and all yours has is your opinion, and well you know what thats worth to me and I'm not alone.:smt070 :smt118 :( :mad: I know a lady who walked out of Hattiesburg Public school system because they said the students threatened her would have to hurt her before they could do anything about it. The educational system as a whole is falling apart and there are exceptions. One more thing if Fuzzie argued with herself and there was no one else around? How long could she keep the arguement going?

[fuzzis]

My ipoint is weak because it doesn't agree with yours. By the way they (Teachers) have to deal with the same "stuff" as you call it in other states too. My point might be weak but it least it has numbers behind it and all yours has is your opinion, and well you know what thats worth to me and I'm not alone.:smt070 :smt118 :( :mad: I know a lady who walked out of Hattiesburg Public school system because they said the students threatened her would have to hurt her before they could do anything about it. The educational system as a whole is falling apart and there are exceptions.

*sigh*

Apparently we can add a lack of reading ability to your lack of writing ability. I provided a link for my position. Not my problem if you cannot...or will not...read it, sweets.

Your point is weak because MS is not all that different than every other state in the Union...not because I disagree with you, but I'm not shocked that you don't understand that.

And...I think we just said the same thing. I said that teachers are leaving *teaching* because they are tired of having to put up with all of the hoops they have to jump through and that doesn't change with more money in another state. I'm not sure if that's a reading comprehension error on your part or if you're just being obstinate.

Criminy. God help our students.

fuzzis

[Derrick B]

God help your husband I doubt one could stand you. You have done nothing but insult my reading, writing, and typing skills well I tell you what. Dont post on any of my threads again you are mean, I did nothing to talk about your intellgence but thats all you did to me.. Please stop being mean to me is that good enough or are you going to say something else about me. You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you except that when someone disagrees with you instead of seeing that there can be 2 points of view you make fun of the way people type (on a forum), my guess is that you are sad and that's why you like to be mean and pick out other peoples mistakes. Like I said I dont want you on my post and wont answer you again, you are ,mean, mean woman.

[fuzzis]

God help your husband

I don't have one, thanks. It's much more fun to play arond with them and then send them on their merry way, happy and content.

:smt038 :smt038 :smt038

Might want to try for some more original insults than the ones you've lobbed in this thread.

:smt038 :smt038

fuzzis

[dave06668]

Mean Fuzzis,mean! Mean! Mean! Mean!
Fuzzis Is Mean,mean Fuzzis Mean Mean Mean Mean Mean!




































Meanie!

[TheKing]

derrick

i for one feel you should persue another profession

[dave06668]

................................:) .....................

[pinkytuscadero]

Doc,

Do you mean the whole forum community or just the people who have been posting on this thread?

[pinkytuscadero]

Doc,

I am not but will attempt to become a NBCT after I finish up graduate work at WCU.

[nooskye]

Maybe if the "adults" that are influencing the kids' interests would actually be adults and LEAD BY EXAMPLE ... then 90% of these issues wouldn't be an issue ... ???? ... MOST parents could care less, I know, and they do leave WAY TO MUCH for the teachers to do ... So ...

Call me crazy ... or even nieve ... BUT ALL OF IT COMES BACK TO THEIR PARENTS!!! The Parents are the ones to initially mold their children and lay the foundation of their learning ... on ALL levels ... physicaly, mental, emotional, social, cognitive, etc. ... before we can "blame" ANYONE ... we really should be looking at their parents!!!

*BTW ... there's a difference in being frank and being mean ... I only wish MORE teachers were like her ... then maybe the education system could move along to where it is suppose to be, instead of being in the rut it is in ...

[SoMissTV]

See, I don't think that the national board certification is all that helpful (outside of the financial benefit). My mother is certified, but from what she told me of the process, it's all paperwork, and no feedback is given on the submitted work. You either pass or fail, with no explanation given as to why. If it's going to be effective, those who apply should be able to receive feedback on the areas of needed improvement. Otherwise, it's just a shot in the dark as to whether you pass or not.

Derrick B: I am truly concerned by your position on guns in schools. I hope that you are not the type of individual that would hide a gun in a car or locker at school in order to "protect yourself". If you intend on doing such a thing, please PM me and tell me where you'll be teaching so I can stay the hell away from that district.

[pinkytuscadero]

Doc,

I agree with you.

As a mother of three very busy children, I have to take baby steps in my professional development. I take only one class per trimester so that I can be a good mother, wife, and teacher.

BTW, as an older student, I get so much more from my classes than I did when I was younger. :)

[Derrick B]

See, I don't think that the national board certification is all that helpful (outside of the financial benefit). My mother is certified, but from what she told me of the process, it's all paperwork, and no feedback is given on the submitted work. You either pass or fail, with no explanation given as to why. If it's going to be effective, those who apply should be able to receive feedback on the areas of needed improvement. Otherwise, it's just a shot in the dark as to whether you pass or not.

Derrick B: I am truly concerned by your position on guns in schools. I hope that you are not the type of individual that would hide a gun in a car or locker at school in order to "protect yourself". If you intend on doing such a thing, please PM me and tell me where you'll be teaching so I can stay the hell away from that district.
SOMiss I know the law and would never break it. I dont wish to loose my job, I just simply showed a link of a man who did have a gun in his car and saved lives. I'm not worrying about "protecting myself" as you said if it comes down to me or my students I'll will jump in front of a bullet to protect any of them. Which fuzzie would love to hear. Anyway thats my job as a teacher, to keep my children safe. So don't worry I don't plan staying around here anyway. To many closeminded people that disagree with you and talk about your education to make themselves feel better. This thread wasn't meant for this. All I wanted was peoples' opinions, and gave mine. Thats all my opinion I didnt talk about anyone until people talked about my education. None of you know me so lets just keep it that way

[SoMissTV]

My wife passed and received tons of specific feedback on her portfolio.

Perhaps it depends on the subject area. My mother knows plenty of teachers who did not pass, and didn't receive any info on why they didn't pass.

[fuzzis]

Perhaps it depends on the subject area. My mother knows plenty of teachers who did not pass, and didn't receive any info on why they didn't pass.

I didn't pass, and I didn't receive any feedback on the two entries that passed or the two that did not. It was made more frustrating by the fact that my cohort leader (someone who has published rather extensively on how to "do" NBC) read my entries and said they were all strong...strong enough to carry my weakest entry and give me a passing score. No clue what went wrong. I would have resubmitted, but the following year I moved here and was not in the classroom, thus unable to resubmit.

Many teachers are skeptical of the NBC process, particularly as states and districts begin to make mention of cutting the stipend that goes with achieving NBC.

fuzzis

[dollfus46]

Does anybody know what happened to the red and yellow flags?

[dave06668]

Does anybody know what happened to the red and yellow flags?
i didnt know how to use those things,was it like taking a rep?

[SoMissTV]

The infraction system is now limited to moderators, thus, most of us won't have the ability to report a post using the flag system. To report a post to a moderator, use the "!" symbol on the upper right hand corner of the post in question.

[dollfus46]

i didnt know how to use those things,was it like taking a rep?
I think if was similar but different, dave.

[dollfus46]

The infraction system is now limited to moderators, thus, most of us won't have the ability to report a post using the flag system. To report a post to a moderator, use the "!" symbol on the upper right hand corner of the post in question.

Thanks, SoMissTV. What would you report to the moderator? Same stuff you'd flag someone for? How is that different from disagreeing?

[TheKing]

10/10

This thread delivers!

[SoMissTV]

SOMiss I know the law and would never break it. I dont wish to loose my job, I just simply showed a link of a man who did have a gun in his car and saved lives. I'm not worrying about "protecting myself" as you said if it comes down to me or my students I'll will jump in front of a bullet to protect any of them. Which fuzzie would love to hear. Anyway thats my job as a teacher, to keep my children safe. So don't worry I don't plan staying around here anyway. To many closeminded people that disagree with you and talk about your education to make themselves feel better. This thread wasn't meant for this. All I wanted was peoples' opinions, and gave mine. Thats all my opinion I didnt talk about anyone until people talked about my education. None of you know me so lets just keep it that way

Derrick B then neg repped me, saying:

I have the right to bare arms, but not in school. I'm not stupid enough to bring a gun on campus but I will protect my students. PS Your closemindedness makes me think that your kids would be the ones shooting up the school

You already have the right to bare arms in school; even in the winter when it's really cold outside. I'm not quite sure why you felt compelled to neg-rep me; all I did was ask you to let me know if you intend to bring a firearm on campus, so I can protect myself from you. I don't know about your mental stability, and school districts don't perform a psychological profile for new hires, so I'm just being careful not to run into you if you snap and start shooting up the place with the gun you snuck into school. Call it overly-cautious, if you will.

It would be shocking if my kids shot up a school, as I have none. I don't believe I'm any more closed-minded than you, Derrick B. I have a belief that having more guns in school is not a workable, practical, sane, or effective solution to solving our problems in schools. Tighter security and better facility access will help; giving teachers guns will not. You believe that giving teachers guns will make students scared of their instructor and compell them to behave; I believe that a student who has flipped their lid won't care, and will shoot every teacher first, as s/he won't know which teachers have guns and which won't.

Oh, and let me know where there is a school district where no one will disagree with you; I think you're just making that up, or incredibly naive.

[Derrick B]

:smt038 Derrick B then neg repped me, saying:



You already have the right to bare arms in school; even in the winter when it's really cold outside. I'm not quite sure why you felt compelled to neg-rep me; all I did was ask you to let me know if you intend to bring a firearm on campus, so I can protect myself from you. I don't know about your mental stability, and school districts don't perform a psychological profile for new hires, so I'm just being careful not to run into you if you snap and start shooting up the place with the gun you snuck into school. Call it overly-cautious, if you will.

It would be shocking if my kids shot up a school, as I have none. I don't believe I'm any more closed-minded than you, Derrick B. I have a belief that having more guns in school is not a workable, practical, sane, or effective solution to solving our problems in schools. Tighter security and better facility access will help; giving teachers guns will not. You believe that giving teachers guns will make students scared of their instructor and compell them to behave; I believe that a student who has flipped their lid won't care, and will shoot every teacher first, as s/he won't know which teachers have guns and which won't.

Oh, and let me know where there is a school district where no one will disagree with you; I think you're just making that up, or incredibly naive.
Guess what? I posted a thread about people thought..I gave my opinion and people called me names. I must have used "bare arms" sorry, bear, swrong also to be picked on. Im in a group of about 120 students everyday and 90% do agree with me I will no longer post a thread on this forum and will not neg rep anyone as I thought they were private and not to be be made public. To the tastless people who have talked about my typing skills, Im not in english class. So KMA to everyone else dont neg rep someone cause they'll post it on the forum. Classless. I will still bet and loose money on the football games so thanks for loosing an obviously inferior member. Pick on someone with your own intellegent level. I here they're opening a slug exhibit at the Zoo. Dont forget to bring salt. Goodbye forum friends I've made but I will not be talked about and lied about by people who mean nothing to me and probably nothing to anyone else either.

[dave06668]

:smt038
Guess what? I posted a thread about people thought..I gave my opinion and people called me names. I must have used "bare arms" sorry, bear, swrong also to be picked on. Im in a group of about 120 students everyday and 90% do agree with me I will no longer post a thread on this forum and will not neg rep anyone as I thought they were private and not to be be made public. To the tastless people who have talked about my typing skills, Im not in english class. So KMA to everyone else dont neg rep someone cause they'll post it on the forum. Classless. I will still bet and loose money on the football games so thanks for loosing an obviously inferior member. Pick on someone with your own intellegent level. I here they're opening a slug exhibit at the Zoo. Dont forget to bring salt. Goodbye forum friends I've made but I will not be talked about and lied about by people who mean nothing to me and probably nothing to anyone else either.a thread about people thought???
swrong???
i here????
whata langowiga do u speaka.how!

[TheKing]

They will let anybody be a teacher these days wont they?

[dave06668]

DERICK GAVE ME A NEG REP.
he id beeng mean too me and i had not did even one tang too him,i did not com to tis tread to had been made funn off,eveybodie are pikin on me just bekaws i ant smart i wont evre be back cus you al mea mean pepol:smt118
you dot no me and i dont no u and you dont no that i no u dontno thati no me!

[SoMissTV]

I will no longer post a thread on this forum and will not neg rep anyone as I thought they were private and not to be be made public.

Yeah, you thought wrong there. All negative rep comments are attached to the post you rep. If you wanted to blast me privately, send a PM next time.

[TheKing]

and stop sending me PMs...i dont want to hear your poorly worded and even worse spelled rhetoric

[fuzzis]

I will no longer post a thread on this forum and will not neg rep anyone as I thought they were private and not to be be made public. To the tastless people who have talked about my typing skills, Im not in english class. So KMA to everyone else dont neg rep someone cause they'll post it on the forum. Classless.

So not only are you illiterate (which is different from your typing ability, which I have not talked about...typing is different from your writing, i.e., the ability to construsta coherent, logical sentence and argument), but you are a liar as well. Shortly after you posted this, you negative repped me.

Some shining example of integrity you are. :roll:

fuzzis