I want to slap her, but i'd get sued

[selmore]

I sell you a cheap house so you wont be homeless, THEN you have the audacity to complain???????????

Some regret buying low-priced houses from Christian charity

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061016/NEWS/610160352/1001/news


In an effort to keep the houses affordable for low-income individuals "we could only put so much money into a house to get it to a certain level or the cost would go up," Spencer said. "The homebuyers were told, even though they deny it, we can do this amount of work to get it up to this level of cost and that's as far as we can go because we can't get you a higher loan, and you won't qualify for it."

[carsalesguy]

sounds like the house that i bought.............

[dollfus46]

I sell you a cheap house so you wont be homeless, THEN you have the audacity to complain???????????

Some regret buying low-priced houses from Christian charity

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061016/NEWS/610160352/1001/news


In an effort to keep the houses affordable for low-income individuals "we could only put so much money into a house to get it to a certain level or the cost would go up," Spencer said. "The homebuyers were told, even though they deny it, we can do this amount of work to get it up to this level of cost and that's as far as we can go because we can't get you a higher loan, and you won't qualify for it."

I don't know about this deal. I can't determine if 1. Stewpot is a bunch of schiesters. 2. Mean well but don't have the finances to do what they want to do well. 3. Lack the know how to do what they want to do. But they need to get out of the real estate business until they can run the program successfully.

[selmore]

they have the money and could have fixed it up, but the cost of the house would have been too much for her to qualify.

the charity doesn't make any money on the house.

The lady even accepted a check for 1000 from the charity to drop the matter and she still hasn't dropped it.

reminds me of a fundraiser we held for the child of a murdered mother years ago, 2 days after the fundraiser, the aunt called my wife and wanted more money. I should have slapped her too.

[firefly]

She shoud be grateful for ANY help that she receives! That's a lousy attitude!:smt118

[wilebill]

She didn't want help, she wanted a handout. Once the hand's out it very seldom comes back in.

[Maggie-Doodle]

I know it is a lost cause BUT the father(s) of those 7 children need to be made to get the house in order so it will be a safe house for the children. Instead of giving the woman money for child support (maybe for her to blow) they could buy the materials and help fix the house up so it would not have problems meeting code. She is probably on welfare and will not work...of course with that many kids, she probably can't afford to work outside the home.
Having dealt with many d.a. victims, I have to wonder, WHY she kept getting pregnant when she knew she was having trouble in her marriage. Sometimes I think some folks don't want any better in life. JUST HANDOUTS!

[LipsofanAngel]

I have to wonder, WHY she kept getting pregnant when she knew she was having trouble in her marriage. Sometimes I think some folks don't want any better in life. JUST HANDOUTS!

That's actually the first thing I questioned when I was reading the article. As far as the house, I think that even if done for charity the only requirement should be that they are safe to live in. Other than that, these people should have NOTHING to complain about.
Continuuing to just have children over and over just kills me... why are these people bringing innocent lives in to the world when they can't take care of them!?!? DO THEY NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSES PREGNANCY? Health Dept. gives FREE condoms... so there is absolutely no excuse. I just hope that these children in the houses are safe in the houses that they are being placed in.

[TheKing]

Is her mayor black?

[carsalesguy]

Is her mayor black?

yup, and she's going to do what ever she wants.....

it's too late for her...she has already turned into a baby mill...just keeps pushing them out.......

if she's not happy with the basically free house, then she needs to get out, go into the projects, and let someone else who is grateful about it move in....

[carsalesguy]

DO THEY NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSES PREGNANCY? Health Dept. gives FREE condoms... so there is absolutely no excuse. I just hope that these children in the houses are safe in the houses that they are being placed in.


they know what the cause and effect is of thier pregnancy....

go out, have sex, push out a kid, go to the state, collect ssi/disability, plus child support, then go back and sit on the couch waiting for the next one to come over and make another kid.....

i see it everyday and i REFUSE to help these people get into a vehicle.....

[LipsofanAngel]

they know what the cause and effect is of thier pregnancy....

go out, have sex, push out a kid, go to the state, collect ssi/disability, plus child support, then go back and sit on the couch waiting for the next one to come over and make another kid.....

i see it everyday and i REFUSE to help these people get into a vehicle.....

yeah... I guess I realize this too. It's just so terrible I almost hate to accept it. So what's the cure? Stop helping them if they have over 'x' amt of children? Then children have to suffer, stay in poverty, and start having their own babies so they get the $$... It's such a vicious cycle.

[58ford]

There is no easy solution.
The only solution is harsh. Remove the children from the family/mother cut off their/her funds. Let the state raise the children. It's a cruel solution, but can anyone come up with a better one?

[TheKing]

those kids are her ticket to a free ride...

you take that away...youll have a trail of aborted fetuses and dead/starving/abandoned children

there is soooo much of that going on...the state couldnt possibly take them all in and find foster homes...

its most likely easier, cheaper, and safer for the children for the governemnt to pay for the people who choose to be baby mills

[58ford]

those kids are her ticket to a free ride...

you take that away...youll have a trail of aborted fetuses and dead/starving/abandoned children

there is soooo much of that going on...the state couldnt possibly take them all in and find foster homes...

its most likely easier, cheaper, and safer for the children for the governemnt to pay for the people who choose to be baby mills
I didn't say it would be easy.
I just think this particular vicious circle needs to be broken.

PS: King, invest in some capitol letters.

[dollfus46]

yeah... I guess I realize this too. It's just so terrible I almost hate to accept it. So what's the cure? Stop helping them if they have over 'x' amt of children? Then children have to suffer, stay in poverty, and start having their own babies so they get the $$... It's such a vicious cycle.

Good question, Angel. Perhaps if you're on welfare and have a child you should get half has much for the second child and none for three or more. In fact maybe after three you should have to have your tubes tied. I don't have the answer but we shouldn't have to continue to pay for babies.

[TheKing]

outside of official communication...i have boycotted the usage of capitol letters...you do not need a capitol letter at the beginning of my sentence to know its the beginning of a sentence...

welcome to the internets...is this your first day?...its not a truck you can dump something on...its a series of tubes.

on to the topic: as long as society exists, there will be people finding a free ride, and there will be heartless people who care nothing about their kids...

Then there will be the blend of the two.

it sucks ass, but it's kind of one of the things that you simply have to deal with as a society -- short of a culture change anyway. but american culture is going through a swift period of degradation, so I dont see anything changing for the better any time soon.

[LipsofanAngel]

[quote=58ford;123262]I didn't say it would be easy.
I just think this particular vicious circle needs to be broken.

quote]

So true.

[58ford]

King,
I saw you use a capitol letter. You changed it, but not before I cought ya.

[selmore]

king says "thats the price of doing business."

the only problem with that theory of sociatial evolution is eventually the "free riders" will outnumber the "workers."

i got no problem with helping, not all seed sewn is good, remember? rocks, birds, etc?

i struggle to understand how welfaremom could want more.

why is clarion ledger so stupid? is this a sympathy piece? how come they didnt interview others that have pulled them self up? that newspaper is a rag.

poor mom, we give you a house, help you move in, do what we can to repair, THEN you bitch about it untill we GIVE you 1000 to STFU, then you call the paper.

[TheKing]

theres one there now ;)

[SoMissTV]

Capitol letters are those sent to the Governor's Office.

Capital letters are like the one that started this sentence.

[58ford]

My mayor's black, I'll spell how I want to.

[carsalesguy]

look guys....no capitol letters!!!

too much wasted energy goes into pressing the shift key to just be p.c.

[58ford]

OT has claimed another thread.

[kevin]

they know what the cause and effect is of their pregnancy....

go out, have sex, push out a kid, go to the state, collect ssi/disability, plus child support, then go back and sit on the couch waiting for the next one to come over and make another kid.....

i see it everyday and i REFUSE to help these people get into a vehicle.....

So if someone comes into the dealership you look at them and pass judgment on them I take it?What if by chance the young couple is struggling tring to make it due to the husband losing his job due to having an illness, an accident,etc.I say you should not hold that little job of yours as petty as it is.You are a disgrace to salepeople.I wonder how your boss will take this print???????I hope you have job security!!!! My buddy lost his job due to a car accident and they are on every handout they can get until he can get back on his feet.....Disability isn't reason to discriminate

[SoMissTV]

Whoops! I meant to negative rep you, not positive rep you. Don't threaten this person's job or livelihood; that's way NOT COOL.

[wilebill]

Y'all need to chill out. This discussion is going nowhere fast.

[wilebill]

OOOOoooo, I know who the moderator is, I know who the moderator is, goody, goody goooody :-DIn your dreams.
I do know who the moderator is and he/she don't play. I was just trying to head off some grief. As if anyone ever listened to me...

[fuzzis]

In your dreams.
I do know who the moderator is and he/she don't play. I was just trying to head off some grief. As if anyone ever listened to me...

You're just a stupid coyote...why should anyone listen to you?

:smt102

fuzzis

[wilebill]

You're just a stupid coyote...why should anyone listen to you?

:smt102

fuzzisYeah, remember I can't catch a Road Runner. :(

[fuzzis]

Yeah, remember I can't catch a Road Runner. :(

Poor coyote. We'll have to think of some way to keep your spirit up.

fuzzis

[fuzzis]

Right, and ez always shaking hands wif his nose, huh?..And licking....that incessant licking...ugh! And dragging his bum across the yard...draggin, licking, sniffing....ewwwyeee

Hmmmmm...the licking doesn't bother me a whole lot. :smt118 But the dragging his bum across the yard? Ewwwwww.

fuzzis

[No-Halo]

Slapping....Licking....Dragging.....Hmmmm

[kevin]

they know what the cause and effect is of thier pregnancy....

go out, have sex, push out a kid, go to the state, collect ssi/disability, plus child support, then go back and sit on the couch waiting for the next one to come over and make another kid.....

i see it everyday and i REFUSE to help these people get into a vehicle.....

Now remember the Hurricane and what we all went through and some of us still are dealing with these issues still ?Now,He admitted to refusing to help people at work who by his own hand are 1)Disabled 2)receive child support.3)I can only imagine there are victims of disaster as well who are tring to rebuild their lives?He did say receive help from the state right?
He admitted to actively being apart of Discriminating against others.
NOW,let me ask any of you who are bold enough.Just how does he tell the difference between hard working -good ,honest people and these who abuse the system instead need the system for a while??????SUPER HUMAN GOGGLES THAT ALL CAR DEALERS USE????? Whatever....Anyway I didn't threaten his job! He did Southern MISS and he perhaps should have to pay for that and he will.Now,as far as a Reputation I couldn't care less I know me and those who do know me to be a good man,honest,hardworking yada,yada but I can't stand to hear the things he said and let it go and won't.:smt070 Take a bite out of Discrimination... Oh Southernmiss tv what do you mean by blackmail ?.It sounds like blackmail?Get a Dictionary!This is for free.....

[TheKing]

i love it when people get all hot and bothered by WHAT IS SAID ON THE FRIKKEN INTERNETS! (some capitAls for you there ford...btw we need to drink this weekend)

you people and your silly empassioned tirades of righteousness will earn you exactly zero respect from this country boy

[big john]

they know what the cause and effect is of thier pregnancy....

go out, have sex, push out a kid, go to the state, collect ssi/disability, plus child support, then go back and sit on the couch waiting for the next one to come over and make another kid.....

i see it everyday and i REFUSE to help these people get into a vehicle.....my mother is on ssi,she worked and payed taxes for 40 years,the government used her tax money to send up space ships and such,no griping about that huh?I also have a good friend that is blind and his spine is a zig zag shape,he is only 20 years old and has never paid taxes,what is your solution for THESE PEOPLE? Tell me some more about THESE PEOPLE,AWW HELL I am these people,back in the mid 80s i was on food stamps for a while,it helped me get on my feet,I sure as hell dont need em now,could you tell me the name of the car place you work at.

I run a business where I have to send techs out all over the south,and we usually buy a car once a month,and our business is growing,so that number will increase,anywho,most of the guys that work for me,at one time or another in there lives,have gotten assistance of one type or another,I just want to make sure i dont send THESE PEOPLE to you for their car.

[Maggie-Doodle]

Big John, I am not for sure how to take carsalesguys post but I think he was probably talking about the abusers of the system. Those who quit school, get pregnant over and over just to get a welfare check and food stamps...and bleed the system dry anyway they can find a way.

I don't have a problem with the elderly or the disabled folks getting government subsidies....even if they did not pay alot into the system or as in your sick friends case, never paid in...I am sure his parents and relatives probably paid in.

What pisses me off is that the U.S. Federal Government can send trillions of dollars to foreign countries to take care of their people, feed them, rebuild their countries after war, etc. etc. etc. and the ones in this country that need help get very little if any. It also pisses me off that they can just "give" the money to those folks and alot of times the ones here that does receive money...it is given as a "grant" and is expected to be paid back plus interest.

Don't get me wrong..I am not heartless and know those people have serious problems but damn, I was always taught that charity starts at home. Take care of "OUR" people then spread what is left over to the other countries.

I have a hard time with our county being the "cash cow" for those who don't even try to help themselves. I mean, good gosh, when a country has over-populated themselves and the mothers sit there seeing their children starve to death but yet she keeps on having children knowing damn well she doesn't have the means to feed them...and refuses to either use protection during sex or be sterelized...well, I can't find alot of sympathy for that mother....the sad part is the child that has to suffer...I know that statement probably comes across as hard and uncaring but that is not the way I meant it..I would help anyone but sometimes one has to help themselve...be it here or elsewhere.

I also resent the fact "we" have to rebuild some of the richest countries in this world but those same countries who have attacked us never make restitution to us.. a prime example would be us rebuilding Iraq...let them use the oil profits they make to take care of their own. What about our embassies they bombed hoping to hit us....THEY need to anti up as far as I am concerned. Another thing is us having to foot the bill for all the illegal immigrants who come to this country to have children and then ride our system to get free whatever...not ever having paid into the system...then refuse to become citizens themselves and continue to show allegiance to their home country. WE DO NOT OWE THESE PEOPLE ANYTHING!!! Sorry for getting on the soapbox...

[Bradley]

yeah... I guess I realize this too. It's just so terrible I almost hate to accept it. So what's the cure? Stop helping them if they have over 'x' amt of children? Then children have to suffer, stay in poverty, and start having their own babies so they get the $$... It's such a vicious cycle.


The solution is called tubal ligation or vasectomy... If you're on SSI/ welfare ect. You should have to get your tubes tied male and female. It is reversable in most cases for about $5000, which is much cheaper then adoption. If they can't afford to have it reversed then they damn sure can't afford children. This would never make it as a "viable" solution because the huge backlash that anyone suggesting it would receive. However it would allow a reduction in unwanted or wanted only for the extra money children around.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people getting assistance that have to get back on their feet. My family was on welfare and unemployment for a few months when I was young and I was very grateful we had a welfare system. I just have a severe problem with people on the systems for YEARS, especially those that use children for a few extra dollars a month. Being on welfare doesn't make you a blight on society, staying on it when you could work and get off of it does.

[Bahlk]

Bradley...so even though my son is handicapped, can't walk and is wheelchair bound, has epilepsy (5+ seizures a day) and receives SSI/Disability I should be told not to have anymore children. By the way, I have worked the same job for 12 1/2 years. My wife keeps children in house too and we are not on food stamps. We do receive a measly several hundred dollars to help with medical and household expenses for my son. It helps when he has 3 seizure medicines that have to be filled every month.

[LipsofanAngel]

I think the difference is there are those who COULD help themselves, but don't and just have children to collect money... and then those who DO work their tails off to provide for their family yet still need some assistance. I think we need to distunguish between the two when discussing solutions to certain problems within the welfare system.

[Bahlk]

Oh yea, definately there are some that use the system for a living, and others who use it for assistance. It makes it hard on the ones who are legitamately using it for the correct reasons.

[kevin]

Disability is just what it Say's it is it's not riding the system.I know my brother did Social Security determinations frequently as a PhD of Psychology and he says the tests are fool proof.Now,as for physiologically disabled or handicapped persons who in the hell gets off saying anything about them.I can't believe that some idiot like Bradley would make a statement like he did about people on SSI OR disability.Bradley you and whomever subscribes to your notion about the disabled is purely sick and or Evil.May God be with you,you are sick.I can understand hating to see people who don't need help riding the sytem but it's not by the means I've mentioned they do so.I have worked with the Mentally Retarded and until you walk in my shoes and see the hell these individuals go through I suggest you pray for yourself.

[Maggie-Doodle]

Bahlk and Kevin; please scroll up a few post and read my post #43...

Bahlk I have known you for 10 years, you work your ass off, your wife did too before she became pregnant with your son...you deserve any help you can get....you paid and are still paying into the system. Your parents have paid too....I think both you and Kevin misunderstood what Bradley was trying to say...he like myself don't begrudge anyone truely needing the assistance whatever they need....it is the ones that their families for generations have been on welfare, havn't gone to school or tried to get a job and just lay up and continue to have children one right after the other because with each new child comes more money...I know both you and Kevin know who I am talking about....all you have to do is sit on any street corner in the Burg, open your eyes and look...you will see what I am talking about.

Kevin, I do have to disagree with you on the disability thing though...I have done too many police reports in the last 20 years and saw too many people who told me they were disabled and were not..how the hell can they get out in the middle of the street and fight like a dog IF they are disabled? They can do everything else in the world they want and never think about their health.

I had a little boy who was arrested at one of the schools one time tell me his mom told him to act stupid so she could get SSI checks for him...that is wrong! Had the little boy been aflicted in someway, that would be a horse of a different color...because the mom is too damn lazy to get out and do a days work is for the birds...

I certainly hope you are jesting when you imply there is not abuse in the system. Anyone who needs help because they are disabled should get all the help they need...the ones who abuse the system should be kicked out on their butts.. plain and simple.

[Conveyor Belt]

I know of a person who keeps taking their kid to the doctor trying to get him declared disabled. They go once or twice a week.

[Maggie-Doodle]

C.B., IS there anything wrong with the child or is this a case of someone wanting something for nothing?

IF the child has health problems by all means he should be helped.

[fuzzis]

The problem with advocating some get sterilized because of their choices is that you begin work on a slippery slope. First it's people who are on welfare or disability. And then it's folks who have children who could be considered a drain on society because of their disabilities. Or maybe it's people who have an IQ below a certain level that are sterilized.

People should be able to take care of their children, and people should be able to provide for their children.

fuzzis

[kevin]

The problem with advocating some get sterilized because of their choices is that you begin work on a slippery slope. First it's people who are on welfare or disability. And then it's folks who have children who could be considered a drain on society because of their disabilities. Or maybe it's people who have an IQ below a certain level that are sterilized.

People should be able to take care of their children, and people should be able to provide for their children.

fuzzis

People with disabilities,or those with low IQ's have as much a right to procreation as anyone on here.I really don't see the politics and Goverment of it all playing God to these people.I have clients and friends that are disabled and they haven't chosen their path no more than a cancer victim or say just someone dying of old-age so where would this stop?If we could stop serial killers and terrorists before they are born that would be great but my point is that "people are a sum of many things not just genetics."This thread has been one that people should really look at themselves and wonder if maybe this whole sterilizing innocent people idea is a sign of their own problems.

[big john]

http://www.arhinkel.com/images/sterilizer.jpg



I tried to get sterilized,but i cant fit in this durn thang:smt118

[Conveyor Belt]

C'mon, you people aren't thinking clearly. If we steralize all those people, then the cops will have no one to arrest, so you're putting police men out of work. Those that don't get arrested will most likely end up working the blue collar jobs you and I and they depend on to have a comfortable life. not a lot of college graduates working the drive thru at McDonald's, y'know? Who's going to check you out at WalMart, or pull the buggies, or clean the floors at night? Who's going to change the trash at FGH? HHS? Even in Brave New World, everyone wasn't bred an Alpha. They needed the others to do the other tasks.

The criminal element is big business. Think of all the money made by bullet-proof vest makers/researches, ammunition salesmen, gun manufactures, rim and wheel shops, car audio, home alarms, burglar bars, etc. There's lots of money and jobs that depend on people raising criminal kids.

[Conveyor Belt]

C.B., IS there anything wrong with the child or is this a case of someone wanting something for nothing?

IF the child has health problems by all means he should be helped.

Personally, I think it's a little bit of both...

[TheKing]

well if that line of thinking isnt a nazi mindset, i dont know what is

[dave06668]

C'mon, you people aren't thinking clearly. If we steralize all those people, then the cops will have no one to arrest, so you're putting police men out of work. Those that don't get arrested will most likely end up working the blue collar jobs you and I and they depend on to have a comfortable life. not a lot of college graduates working the drive thru at McDonald's, y'know? Who's going to check you out at WalMart, or pull the buggies, or clean the floors at night? Who's going to change the trash at FGH? HHS? Even in Brave New World, everyone wasn't bred an Alpha. They needed the others to do the other tasks.

The criminal element is big business. Think of all the money made by bullet-proof vest makers/researches, ammunition salesmen, gun manufactures, rim and wheel shops, car audio, home alarms, burglar bars, etc. There's lots of money and jobs that depend on people raising criminal kids.BTW,next time i come to your little burger stand and order extra pickles on my burger,i want extra pickles on my burger:smt118
just joking cb:)

[dave06668]

i'm one of those blue collar worker criminals who cant afford extra pickles:smt022

[Expat in Korea]

While the thought of mandatory sterilization is tempting, It is not a point worth mentioning. It will never happen.

There is no clear cut solution though. Disablity and SSI are very important to some in our society. Especially those who truly need it. The problem is weeding out those who are abusing the system. How many people are you willing to hurt to keep those that are abusing it from reaping the rewards.

For those people who are using it as a checking account and keep having children to get a pay raise, something has to change.

[dave06668]

well heck i think i will go get this ssi,since its so easy to get,what? you just fill out a form and they start sending you money?

[HubCityMan1912]

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[TheKing]

yay for stackable trailors without wheels.....

that whole 'factory built' or 'modular' stamp that people are trying so hard to get put on that is nothing more than marketing...face it...those houses are trailors that you stack about

you can always tell if its a BS deal if the person who is trying to sell you this type of structure lives in one himself.

[Astra]

yay for stackable trailors without wheels.....

that whole 'factory built' or 'modular' stamp that people are trying so hard to get put on that is nothing more than marketing...face it...those houses are trailors that you stack about

you can always tell if its a BS deal if the person who is trying to sell you this type of structure lives in one himself.
Nitpick, but it's trailer :)

What's so bad about modular homes? Yeah, some trailers are badly constructed, but some are pretty nice. I've seen modular home plans that aren't much different than other traditional small houses, aside from the fact parts of them come preassembled.