View Full Version : Crime is down? WTF!
JB2379
10-25-2006, 04:15 PM
Wynn says crime is down. :smt102
http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061025/NEWS01/61025020
Maggie-Doodle
10-25-2006, 04:21 PM
IF crime is down how come we continue to hear on a daily basis about robberies, shootings, assaults and police chases?
OLDLADY
10-25-2006, 04:23 PM
Maybe he was confused and meant that for somewhere else??? Or seriously folks, is the man on crack?
58ford
10-25-2006, 04:25 PM
Hattiesburg Police Dept. had nothing to report today.
http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/...610250332/1002 (http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061025/NEWS01/610250332/1002)
Even though there was a robbery at Lucky's Liquor.
I wonder if this is how they are keeping crime stats down, by simply not reporting it.
Wynn is covering his ass. Everyone knows it.
cowgirl
10-25-2006, 04:29 PM
ooh wee. anybody in their correct mind would not believe these numbers. shame, shame, shame.
It's all about the shell game and how they classify crimes. Crime is not down and the chances of something happening to you in Hattiesburg is higher than it's ever been.I cannot believe Wynn would put that in the paper.
aaron
10-25-2006, 04:30 PM
“We’ve had a very good 28 days,”
Be proud Hattiesburg, you might not have had a good entire month, quarter, or year, but you just had a good 28 days.
wilebill
10-25-2006, 04:33 PM
Be proud Hattiesburg, you might not have had a good entire month, quarter, or year, but you just had a good 28 days.He counts days in a month like he counts officers on the police force, and crimes commited over any given period of time. :smt070
wilebill
10-25-2006, 04:35 PM
Be proud Hattiesburg, you might not have had a good entire month, quarter, or year, but you just had a good 28 days.Or maybe he found the 28 days of the past year that had the least amount of crimes and used that as a basis for saying crime's down.
jojobeans1120
10-25-2006, 04:35 PM
Be proud Hattiesburg, you might not have had a good entire month, quarter, or year, but you just had a good 28 days.
:smt043
carsalesguy
10-25-2006, 04:35 PM
the only reason crime is down is because there hasn't been a homicide in the last 28 days....
58ford
10-25-2006, 04:36 PM
In an earlier post I said, Wynn was trying to cover his ass.
I should have realized that was nearly impossible.
(Double entendre intentional)
jojobeans1120
10-25-2006, 04:38 PM
I suppose you could put that kind of a spin on things if you've got a monkey in the back room doing the math and presenting the figures to the public. :smt102
Who knows, maybe they have an easy button??:smt118
Well if crime is down then why in the h e double hockey sticks is someone going into a store in East Hattiesburg today and taking the cash register out! He then just walked away! LOL Wynn must be in La La land!
OLDLADY
10-25-2006, 04:45 PM
What now????
jojobeans1120
10-25-2006, 04:47 PM
He is and obviously has been in a state of denial for years. He, alone, is responsible for the situation that the HPD is in. He's driven a lot of the decent officers to leave the PD and then wants to shrug his shoulders in confusion!?!?? :smt102
It's all a word game with alot of spin. The crime down in the last 28 day statement could very well be true, but all that means is crime is down from the previous month and if crime was at a record high in the previous month, it wouldn't be that far of a stretch for crime to be down. I guess Wynn and company don't think people are smart enough to figure that out.
carsalesguy
10-25-2006, 05:06 PM
exaggerate the truth!!
If there is no report taken there is no crime. I have had to report 3 things in the last 3 months and only one had a report issued. They tried to talk me out of that one too.
ACEsmom
10-25-2006, 08:05 PM
It's all a word game with alot of spin. The crime down in the last 28 day statement could very well be true, but all that means is crime is down from the previous month and if crime was at a record high in the previous month, it wouldn't be that far of a stretch for crime to be down. I guess Wynn and company don't think people are smart enough to figure that out.
:smt101 :smt021 :smt043 :smt011 :smt075
Maggie-Doodle
10-25-2006, 10:05 PM
I saw the news clip tonite...did I over look something? I ONLY saw property crimes listed...what about the assaults etc? MAYBE they are no longer counting those as crimes!
wilebill
10-26-2006, 12:22 AM
I saw the news clip tonite...did I over look something? I ONLY saw property crimes listed...what about the assaults etc? MAYBE they are no longer counting those as crimes!Armed robberies, burglaries, etc. are now called "shopping" or "earning a living". Wynn has learned that if they call these sorts of incidents "crimes" it stigmatizes the perp so that they feel bad about themselves. Wynn don't want nobody to feel bad about themself.
maxim
10-26-2006, 07:14 AM
The monthly compstat compares certain crimes for the past 28 day period with the prior 28 day period. OK, thats one way to measure stuff. But, it ignores all the other crimes, many of which directly impact quality of life issues. It also counts all the compared crimes equally. One robbery is "worth" as much as one auto burglary.
At one time it covered 5 crimes, that may have changed.
Its not a bad snapshot of where we were for that 28 days - and to be fair, lots of other performance data is also presented. How many arrests are being made, how many guns are being seized, etc. When you put the big picture together you can get a good sense of the departments operational status.
What gets into the papers or on TV is one single figure on a spreadsheet thats got several hundred figures. Total of these counted crimes this 28 day period versus last 28 day period. Hard to avoid being incomplete.
To see some more complete numbers, see the monthly report they do for the citizens advisory group. Those were far more complete.
maxim
10-26-2006, 07:24 AM
OK, from WDAM...
Hattiesburg police say the month of October has seen a 45 percent decrease in overall crime in the Hub City. That announcement came during the department's monthly Comstat meeting Wednesday.
Officials say robbery is down 83 percent, commercial burglary 64 percent, residential burglary 56 percent, auto burglary 24 percent, auto theft 8 percent. Narcotics arrests are up 38 percent.
Officials say one reason for the decrease in commercial burglary is the recent arrests of six suspects who may have been involved in a series of storage facility break-ins.
Yup, still the same 5 crimes. Over 28 days lots of narcotics arrests, many likely misdemeanors who otherwise would have been post-arrested and released. Good arrests on the storage shed burglary ring, so abnormally high numbers the prior 28 days make a quiet 28 days now look better.
Again, numbers over such short times are going to show lots of fluctuations. Just the nature of statistics.
Also, getting criminals off the streets for misdemeanors means they are in jail and not able to do felonies. That'll give you a drop right there.
Nothing odd about the figures presented. Just normal variability. However, remember it is an incomplete picture.
daisy
10-26-2006, 07:34 AM
Thans, Maxim for explaining some of that. I took statistics years ago and you have to know what you're looking at or not looking at. I think I heard mention about the storage units. I think tht happens frequently with the storage units even in other towns.
theObserver
10-26-2006, 12:04 PM
It's clearly seen that any statistic or numerical representation can and will be "spun" into the place where the people providing the sum are satisfied.
theObserver
10-26-2006, 12:16 PM
Haven't seen the opportunity just yet.
Biggie
10-26-2006, 12:27 PM
Only thing down is the number of solved crimes.
If crime is not a problem in the big burg, why does each detective have such a heavy case load? This makes no sense! If you do not have a problem with crime, the detectives would not have so much work. I would love to see just what they do on a daily basis.
wilebill
10-26-2006, 08:34 PM
Wonder how many crimes were committed in just this one incident?
Story. (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061026/NEWS01/61026017)
Hub a Bubba
10-26-2006, 08:53 PM
So where is the thread about the "gangbang" I think last weekend. I understand that the one black police LADY who came to help would not get out of her car and even pointed her gun at the victim who was getting beat up pretty badly. I also hear that a law suit is forth coming against the city, Police Dept, the female police lady and others.. I sure hope I hear wrong! Hattiesburg does not need any more bad publicity.
Maggie-Doodle
10-26-2006, 09:31 PM
XC and all the case load the detectives have are all felonies...there are alot more misdemeanor crimes that no one ever hears about...they are crime though anyway you look at it.. we're talking simple assaults and thefts etc not refering to traffic violations of any kind
Maggie-Doodle
10-26-2006, 09:35 PM
Hawk, I thought Wynn was about as stupid as they come but the Laurel's chief take on what gang members are...well I am beginning to wonder! I can't believe they did such a turn around on their take of things! MAYBE they got together with Dupree and Wynn!
HoneyBun
10-26-2006, 11:58 PM
It appears the police chiefs have found a way to reduce crime without doing anything about......just don't report it as a crime.....problem solved. Rest easy citizens crime is down. Just tell them what they want to hear. Seems to be the standard procedure around here. Hope I'm wrong but fear I'm not.
rooter
10-27-2006, 06:59 AM
Johnny Dupree is going to be on Supertalk, Paul gallo at 7:05 this morning.
maxim
10-27-2006, 07:32 AM
Two points to make here -
Absolutely right, the number of crimes that never make it into a formal report is always a potential source of error. Sometimes this is as simple as an officer not believing the story and deciding to "not be bothered with this BS." Other times it can be an officer who is too lazy to do the work, and if not properly supervised will try to get away with not doing reports. Finally, and most rarely, it is an informal, nudge, nudge, wink, wink kind of insinuation that reports are to be avoided where possible. Nobody would ever come out and say that directly to an officer, but in some places the message is clear. That maybe because the supervisor doesn't want the headaches, or it may be a supervisor trying to make his or her number look good or it may be a supervisor trying to please those higher up the food chain.
Second point - The post about the female officer being afraid to take action, then holding the wrong person at gunpoint, speaks to inadequate training and experience. The lack of experience is directly attibutable to the high turnover rate and only time will cure that. Lawsuit? Well... thats another story.
Maggie-Doodle
10-27-2006, 09:45 AM
maxim, you hit the nail on the head! I have seen your senerios come to past several times at the p.d. while I was there.
R1ZOOM
10-27-2006, 11:00 AM
I know the victim at the Texaco station incident quite well, and he is a very upstanding person. He is white, and it's interesting that it's not racism or a hate crime for a bunch of black guys to beat him, his uncle, and girlfriend up, but it is such a racist event for the City Council to not approve Wynn. This city is going to pot for sure...I'm glad I don't live in the city limits. Neither did the victim of this attack, he lives in Oak Grove. It reminds me way too much of the attack on the man that left Mugshots. Was anything ever done about that? The mayor would rather turn his head apparently...unless things happen outside his mom's house. If the race roles were reversed in these attacks the infamous Hattiesburg "religious leaders" would be all over this, and we'd hear nothing but cries of racism, but I guess it's OK since it's the other way around. I have no doubt in my mind that this attack was 100% racially motivated simply because the victim was white...I can assure you he's in no gang. Of course, it could have been some kind of gang initiation thing, but regardless he was profiled and attacked because he was white...plain and simple.
I wouldn't normally make such an issue of it being racial either, but since Fairley and his crew of clowns are constantly trying to play the card it might as well be played when dealt here. I don't have anything against any race of people. I have a problem with thugs, whether they be white, black, hispanic or whatever.
B.T. Justice
10-27-2006, 11:18 AM
You are right, there is double standard. The only way things will change will be for the white citizens to steal a few pages from the civil rights playbook. First, we should protest in front of City Hall. We should also inundate the Justice department with complaints and try to force them to intervene.
This attack as well as the Mugshots incident were clearly racially motivated assaults and should be treated as such.
Derrick B
10-27-2006, 12:10 PM
So where is the thread about the "gangbang" I think last weekend. I understand that the one black police LADY who came to help would not get out of her car and even pointed her gun at the victim who was getting beat up pretty badly. I also hear that a law suit is forth coming against the city, Police Dept, the female police lady and others.. I sure hope I hear wrong! Hattiesburg does not need any more bad publicity.
Could someone please put a link to that site, if it really happened.
I live near the old Van Hook Golf Course and I know of 5 different break-ins of automobiles. in the last 4 days. Crime may be down on the east side but it is being driven onto this side now. Lean on them heavy and they will just move their operation to a different location. This is what is happening now. There has been to much leaning and not enough criminal reports and arrest being persued. I tried to get Forrest County to come out here but their dispatcher refused stating that I live in the city so I HAVE to use city cops. She advised me they could NOT patrol out in this part of the city no matter how neglected we have become. Keep your eyes and ears open if you live out in this neck of the once, so called "woods". Be ready!
XC9, when did this happen? Obviously, the dispatcher isn't up to speed on the Sheriiffs order that if anybody that lives in Forrest County calls and request our assistance, we go help them. Do you know who it was that you talked to? If not, what day and time was it?
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