Temple Baptist buys 1000 movie tickets

[wilebill]

Buying a thousand tickets is one way to bring a movie that you love to the Pine Belt. (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061026/NEWS01/610260337/1002/NEWS17)

And I'm sure it's a great way to ease the suffering of the poor, spread the word of God, and all those other things that I always thought churches were supposed to do.

I'm sure there were thousands of people who were devastated that the movie wasn't going to come to Hattiesburg, but Temple saved them by spending over $5000.

[carsalesguy]

And I'm sure it's a great way to ease the suffering of the poor, spread the word of God, and all those other things that I always thought churches were supposed to do.

did u expect any less from six flags for Christ?

last time i checked, temple or the others didn't run a soup kitchen, or a outreach program for drug users, or a prison outreach program, etc etc etc........

i believe that i stated in an earlier post, when doing computer work for a mega church with 2 "campus" bldgs, their computer system was more complex and advanced than USM.....

[big john]

that ,is mind blowing.i am speechless.

[zorro]

I hear that "Facing the Giants" is a great movie and I am going to make an attempt to attend one of the showings this weekend. Perhaps I'll give a movie review on it after I do.

[Astra]

I went to see the last Star Wars movie opening night and had a blast, but there was a guy handing out what I thought were souvinir postcards. My sister picked one up, and I immediately noticed the picture on it was from one of the older movies, not "Revenge of the Sith." I skimmed the text on the back and realized it was a religious tract, using some absolutely idiotic attempts at relating "The Force" to Satan. I was just appalled. I'm also betting they didn't have Lucasfilm's permission to use the film images in that way.

I wish these churches spent more money helping people than investing in "recruitment tools." I'd think word of mouth would be much more effective.

[big john]

I worked for the starvation army years ago, i just wonder how many people on here think the kettle money goes to buy toys for kids on christmas?

[carsalesguy]

I worked for the starvation army years ago, i just wonder how many people on here think the kettle money goes to buy toys for kids on christmas?



where does it go? i knew the red cross was using their money to pay their six figure CEO

[LipsofanAngel]

I'm sorry, but reading a lot of these comments made me sick at my stomach... literally sick. I know you all have an opinion, and I respect that. But on a forum that supposedly seems so proud to represent facts about the community as well... I must ask HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO TEMPLE? and not just one time so you could say you went- while your beady little eyes were LOOKING for things to criticize... how many of you have actually given it a chance? Until you do that, maybe you wanna look a little closer in to getting your "facts" straight about how "terrible" a church it is because it doesn't do anything to help people. I am one of many who would have given up on "church" a long time ago... would probably be a meth head, and no telling what... if it weren't for some of the people there reaching out to me at times I needed it. And what about during the hurricane? I can not even begin to count the hours and money that were poured back in to the community during that time. If you have a problem with organized religion, then that's just your standpoint and that's fine. But to pick one church to bash when you don't have a clue where ALL the money (because you've only pointed out a portion of the budget) goes, is just not fair. When I get a chance I will be finding out some more specific info on outreach programs at Temple to share with you guys. For now I am going for a run.

[big john]

where does it go? i knew the red cross was using their money to pay their six figure CEOI would just be called a liar on here,just call and ask to volunteer to ring bells for a few days this season and just watch,call and act like your a poor person on the street and ask how many days they could put you up till you get on your feet,dont get me wrong they do help,all the toys that are donated and all the food that is donated,they do give that away,but i am talking about what they COULD DO if they wanted,by themselves they could end hunger in hattiesburg and no elderly person would go to bed cold.

[big john]

I'm sorry, but reading a lot of these comments made me sick at my stomach... literally sick. I know you all have an opinion, and I respect that. But on a forum that supposedly seems so proud to represent facts about the community as well... I must ask HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO TEMPLE? and not just one time so you could say you went- while your beady little eyes were LOOKING for things to criticize... how many of you have actually given it a chance? Until you do that, maybe you wanna look a little closer in to getting your "facts" straight about how "terrible" a church it is because it doesn't do anything to help people. I am one of many who would have given up on "church" a long time ago... would probably be a meth head, and no telling what... if it weren't for some of the people there reaching out to me at times I needed it. And what about during the hurricane? I can not even begin to count the hours and money that were poured back in to the community during that time. If you have a problem with organized religion, then that's just your standpoint and that's fine. But to pick one church to bash when you don't have a clue where ALL the money (because you've only pointed out a portion of the budget) goes, is just not fair. When I get a chance I will be finding out some more specific info on outreach programs at Temple to share with you guys. For now I am going for a run.I dont care if a church spent 50 billion dollars helping the poor yesterday,if they spent 5000 on movie tickets,something aint right.

[OGRepub]

"Six Flags over Jesus". Boy that's original. Haven't heard that before. How 'bout "Holy Land Theme Park". Keep going. I've heard them all. As a member of Temple, not an official spokesperson just a member, let me say that I don't believe Temple is for everyone and that Temple is not trying to be for everyone. Fortunately God has placed great resources, not just money, at Temple. In the case of the movie, it would not have been in the pine belt if the tickets had not been purchased. Now seeing how this happened several weeks ago and it is just making the news should indicate that Eddie Baker did not go around saying "hey look what we did!" Doc, you are absolutely correct. Church is not about the buildings, numbers, money, etc but a true daily relationship with God. I'm not going to tell you that all members at Temple are like this or that they understand this. Each is there for their own reason. Only they and God know the reason. I do know this. God is doing an incredible work in the entire Pine Belt area. Just look at OG alone. Calvery growing. Heritage growing. Immanuel growing. Oak Grove Methodist, growing. Just to name a few. Every Sunday morning when I leave to go to church I pass by more homes in my neighborhood who are doing yard work than are going to church. Point? There are many people to reach. I strongly believe that as a faithful follower of Christ we have been charged to use every tool available to reach Christ. Unfortunately, many people confuse a relationship with Christ with religion. They are not the same. Are there people at Temple that just come to say "Hey I go to Temple". Unfortunately yes. And guess what, in every other church of every other denomination in the Pine Belt. Sorry! Temple does not have a monopoly on that. Oh yeah did I mention that Temple is a church of sinners. Imagine sinners in a church.

Sorry for the long and often sarcastic post. Just be careful and not past judgement on any church before getting to know the heart of the church. It is just a wrong for someone to say a church is ineffective because it is small. Guess what small churches/large churches. It doesn't matter. Where's your heart. Is the focus on Christ?

Oh yeah, breaking news. I don't agree with everything Temple does. Imagine that. However, that is where God has placed our family to serve and grow at this time.

And speaking of ministries. For the record, Temple does have drug outreach, divorce recovery, prison ministries, youth challenge ministry at Camp Shelby, just to name a few.

[JB2379]

I wonder what people would say if Mt. Carmel church would have bought that many tickets.

[carsalesguy]

I wonder what people would say if Mt. Carmel church would have bought that many tickets.

the city paid for them......

[carsalesguy]

the point that i have about temple is not that they are not doing any good....don't get me wrong, i believe they are....but do you really need to build a building 3 times as big as USM?

The people on the east side of town are in dire need of help.....not financial, but help with trying to keep kids off the streets....but we build huge building on the west side of town?

if you find my comments offensive, i apologize to all....i am just used to thinking that a church/religious institution is supposed to be more involved with helping the poor and those in need rather than building a huge building to compete with malls and gyms.....

all that i am saying as an outsider looking in, it just looks like someone is spending a whole lot of money to put up some fancy building when that money could have been used to help the needy sleep warm at night and eat....and i'm talking about the ones who can't help themselves, not the ones on warefare......

[zorro]

Another great ministry opportunity for Temple Baptist would be to get one or two hundred of their members to join us here at MH!! :)

[Conveyor Belt]

Damn, doc, sometimes I forget that you're Christian... I swear, if it wasn't for the God part, we're close on a lot of ideas, even spiritual. That Church under the road or whatever(too lazy to scroll) sounds just right... not like a bunch of people getting together and helping people to make themselves feel better. The bible I've read, and the Jesus in it wanted his followers to give everything they had to help their fellow man, not keep enough to be comfortable and then help people out in their spare time.

I've a HUGE problem with organized religion (everyone knows that, or if they didn't they do now). These huge churches, IMO, are not doing what I feel the bible asks it's followers to do. Spreading the word of christ is not the most important endevor in the world, and building monuments to Jesus is not what he would have wanted.

Religion starts at home. Spirituality and your relationship with your creator is in your heart, not in a building or with a group of people.

As for the salvation army, I've given up on them... They may help the needy, but there are too many people who can who don't just because the SA is there. I've known too many people who make $800/month, pay $12 for section 8 housing, get $500 in food stamps a month and get their hair done for $100 every week or so who sign their kids up for the Angel tree just so some 'white people will buy their kids a present'. That's a quote.

I help people who I see need help. I don't trust someone else to help people for me.

[zorro]

Oh, my family and I benefitted from the Temple tickets to see Facing the Giants.

It was a great night that brought our family together in a very close way.
And that is exactly why I think that what Temple Baptist did was good! A church ministers to both those inside it and outside it. The local church is a family, and if it does things that bring individual families closer together, and/or the whole church family closer together, then I can see nothing wrong with it if it is not sinful and if it is designed to edify its members.

[zorro]

Spreading the word of christ is not the most important endevor in the world
Wrong again!

[Conveyor Belt]

Wrong again!

I think Jesus would disagree. I'm sure you will too.

[zorro]

The Great Commission

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." -- Matthew 28:18-20

[big john]

As for the salvation army, I've given up on them... They may help the needy, but there are too many people who can who don't just because the SA is there. I've known too many people who make $800/month, pay $12 for section 8 housing, get $500 in food stamps a month and get their hair done for $100 every week or so who sign their kids up for the Angel tree just so some 'white people will buy their kids a present'. That's a quote.

I help people who I see need help. I don't trust someone else to help people for me.[/quote]
i do support the angel tree,because those toys to go into the hands of children on christmas,and i dont care how much the parents of these children have as long as the child gets the toys,young kids are not to blame for things adults do,they believe in santa.

[nooskye]

youth challenge ministry at Camp Shelby, just to name a few.



Please don't get me wrong ... I got more out of the post than just this ... and I have to agree with you ... on all levels of your thought ...

However ... I was enrolled in YCP, graduated in 1996, Class Four ... we had to insist on Church activities at the time and then the Garden Center Ministry took it over about half way through our class ... when did Temple take it over? And yes, I enrolled myself ... but NO I wasn't a delinquent ... just tired of Oak Grove's crap ... it was my only choice, without being beaten to death by my father LoL!!

Temple also has a Mother's Day out that REALLY helps moms ... single or otherwise ... on Tuesdays and Thursdays ...

[Conveyor Belt]

i do support the angel tree,because those toys to go into the hands of children on christmas,and i dont care how much the parents of these children have as long as the child gets the toys,young kids are not to blame for things adults do,they believe in santa.

don't count on those toys reaching the kids. I've known people to return them for credit at stores and turn around and sell the card for themselves some new clothes, etc.

[carsalesguy]

don't count on those toys reaching the kids. I've known people to return them for credit at stores and turn around and sell the card for themselves some new clothes, etc.


maybe we need to cut the UPC if we donate to the angel tree? :smt102

[LipsofanAngel]

I dont care if a church spent 50 billion dollars helping the poor yesterday,if they spent 5000 on movie tickets,something aint right.

why is that wrong? is it wrong if some of those tickets fell in the hands of a single mother struggling to raise her children in a positive environment and keep them off the streets... and she had a way to spend an evening with them that she otherwise might not have been able to because she can't afford to go to the movies when she's just trying to put food on the table? is it really that BAD to give her a way to do something fun and positive with her family?

[LipsofanAngel]

I've a HUGE problem with organized religion (everyone knows that, or if they didn't they do now). These huge churches, IMO, are not doing what I feel the bible asks it's followers to do. Spreading the word of christ is not the most important endevor in the world, and building monuments to Jesus is not what he would have wanted.

Religion starts at home. Spirituality and your relationship with your creator is in your heart, not in a building or with a group of people.

.

I agree... to an extent. There is no point in having a huge "Jesus building" if people's hearts are not in the right place. Only an individual knows what is in his or her own heart. And I know plenty of people who only go to church (Temple & others) that are there just to make an appearance... But I still support the church because it reaches out to people and can help them find a spirituality that they otherwise might not have found. Plus, as a spiritual person I get a lot from gathering with others who believe the same ( or similar ). Sunday service is my time of the week where I can let go of everything else in my life and truly focus on my relationship with Christ with no distractions like I have in my apartment when I only end up worrying about what paper or homework I should be working on or laundry to do... sure, I can do it in my own home, but it's nice to have the music and hear a sermon. I understand that some people don't get anything from it... The church I grew up with, I got NOTHING out of church... therefore I switched to a place that I found fulfilling. Big churches aren't for everyone. And sure, they have their problems... just as any organization will. My only problem is when people bash the church rather than accepting that it's a good thing for some... but maybe not for others.

[hbm]

I personally want to thank Temple for being responsible for bringing the movie here. While it is not a hollywood blockbuster it is a very good movie. When I went to see it the theater was sold out but just by individual tickets. It may be preaching to the choir but it does even make the choir think. I am sure some people will wander in and enjoy it. It does start off slow and is predictable but it is much more than you expect for a movie that cost $100,000.00 to make and has no professional actors in it.

[noway]

Thats why I stopped going to church 2 things happened..

1. I get a statement in the mail showing how much money i gave to the church.

2. A "suprise" party invitation for our pastor and at the bottom of the invitation it said "Please make your checks payable to him not the church"

[HubCityMan1912]

DOC--You "ramble" wisely--especially for your [young] age...All this time I thought you were twice as old as you say (based on the maturity, insight, and depth of your posts over time). Congratulations, IMHO you are way ahead of your time where it counts most...

And you have my "endorsement" to so "ramble" more often! Well done.

[big john]

why is that wrong? is it wrong if some of those tickets fell in the hands of a single mother struggling to raise her children in a positive environment and keep them off the streets... and she had a way to spend an evening with them that she otherwise might not have been able to because she can't afford to go to the movies when she's just trying to put food on the table? is it really that BAD to give her a way to do something fun and positive with her family?
oh i got it all wrong then i thought it was for members,i didnt know they gave them away to single mothers with no money,thats totaly different,my bad!

[zorro]

Thats why I stopped going to church 2 things happened..

1. I get a statement in the mail showing how much money i gave to the church.

2. A "suprise" party invitation for our pastor and at the bottom of the invitation it said "Please make your checks payable to him not the church"
Hey noway,

#1 has to do with taxes. Donations, contributions, and tithes given to the local church are tax deductible. That "statement" is for your benefit.

#2 - Here I am just guessing, but looking at it charitably and without seeing the actual invitation, I would guess that this was speaking of monetary personal gifts given to your pastor for his birthday, and your church may have been advised by its accountant that checks for this purpose shouldn't be made out to the church. I bet that these gifts were not mandatory, but it was stated this way for people that were not only able, but truly desiring to give him a gift. A gift to a pastor, and to most of us as well, really only has value if it truly expresses another person's heart. A gift is an expression of love.

As for stopping going to church, please read Queen Mother's post above; in addition, consider these words from Scripture, the written Word of God:

And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another -- Hebrews 10:24-25a

Assembling together in a local church body is not only for our spiritual benefit, but for the benefit of others as well; and we will not flourish in our Christian life while ignoring God's command to participate in such a body.

[Conveyor Belt]

noway, you should have known zorro was going to tell you you were wrong and give you a bible verse...

[pinkytuscadero]

About "Facing The Giants"
I saw it with my parents and children, we loved it. Yes, the acting is not Oscar worthy. However, it was so nice to be able to watch a movie with my favorite people without worrying about cursing, sex scenes, and violence. Awesome experience!

While there, the Columbia Academy bus showed up with the entire football team to watch. My son's team went the next night, as did the OGHS football team. My other son's team went the following night along with numerous other teams.

If that movie can be a positive influence on the young minds of these athletes then I am thrilled it came to Hattiesburg. There were plenty of youth in those groups who would not have seen it for one reason or another, but I am so glad they had the opportunity. How refreshing to hear these kids cheer at the end!

BTW-My parents bought the tickets and don't go to Temple. IMO, word of mouth is making this movie a success, Temple just got it here.

[noway]

Hey noway,

#1 has to do with taxes. Donations, contributions, and tithes given to the local church are tax deductible. That "statement" is for your benefit.

#2 - Here I am just guessing, but looking at it charitably and without seeing the actual invitation, I would guess that this was speaking of monetary personal gifts given to your pastor for his birthday, and your church may have been advised by its accountant that checks for this purpose shouldn't be made out to the church. I bet that these gifts were not mandatory, but it was stated this way for people that were not only able, but truly desiring to give him a gift. A gift to a pastor, and to most of us as well, really only has value if it truly expresses another person's heart. A gift is an expression of love.

As for stopping going to church, please read Queen Mother's post above; in addition, consider these words from Scripture, the written Word of God:

And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another -- Hebrews 10:24-25a

Assembling together in a local church body is not only for our spiritual benefit, but for the benefit of others as well; and we will not flourish in our Christian life while ignoring God's command to participate in such a body.

#1 is that what giving money is about (tax deductible) I just felt like they looked at me different for the amount of money I gave..

#2 They send out an invitation to a "suprise" party for the pastor being there for 5 years. Fine throw him a party have a big fellowship night let the church show their appreciation how they want to.. But to put at the bottom of the card "make your checks payable to him" is WRONG.....Oh you can come to the party but make sure you bring your checkbook and fill it out correctly..

[hbm]

Thats why I stopped going to church 2 things happened..

1. I get a statement in the mail showing how much money i gave to the church.

2. A "suprise" party invitation for our pastor and at the bottom of the invitation it said "Please make your checks payable to him not the church"

#2The checks made to the church are tax deductions but if made to the church and given to the pastor they would have to take taxes out.

[LipsofanAngel]

oh i got it all wrong then i thought it was for members,i didnt know they gave them away to single mothers with no money,thats totaly different,my bad!

okay, well I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not... (I'm guessing it was). But seriously, do you KNOW that it was only given to members for their own pleasure? Because last I heard when I was ATTENDING the church was that it was for members and the community alike. They were available for anyone...So yeah, single mothers and lots of others had access. And you can see the above comments on the impact of the movie. Queen Mother has it explained it quite well, so I will not repeat what she has said.

[OGRepub]

However ... I was enrolled in YCP, graduated in 1996, Class Four ... we had to insist on Church activities at the time and then the Garden Center Ministry took it over about half way through our class ... when did Temple take it over?

I'm not real sure but I believe it has been in the last five-six years. I do know that we baptize a large number of youth challenge students during our Sunday night service about three times a year. Dr. Register and other ministers speak regularly and a group of people hold regular bible study at YC.

[big john]

I really did think at first that the tickets went to members,people who are already saved,but now that i am better informed ,i take back everything i said,its like buying bible tracts and giving them out,i think that is a good thing.

[ROVER]

you people like to argue about religion to much. this topic is better talked about in bars over a brewski. then beat hell out of each other.

[nooskye]

I haven't seen the movie, so I might be mistaken ... but isn't it based on the book of Ester ... ???

[hbm]

It is here. It is ok. Mostly sticks to THE BOOK.

[Marjan Suggs]

Good morning Hattiesburg,I am a new member here, and I have read several comments about several topics the past few days. and I am totally amazed at the ignorance that has been displayed in this forum concerning crime, the mayor,, HPD, and others, the one that has really got me stirred up is the comments about Temple, and the 1,000 tickets that has been purchased for the movie "One Night With the King".Have any of you called and ask why?? Could it be that the people at Temple that purchased the tickets know that one way to reach kids, and young people is to send them to the movies, thats what parents do, but instead of the violence and sex that is so prominent in most movies, we have one that will teach about GOD, in a way that most of todays youth will understand.Talk about judging. I do not belong to Temple, yet I have recieved from Temple, the out reach programs, are an added plus to the benefits of living in Hattiesburg. Mothers day out is one that any mother can benefit from. It was this outreach program that helped my daughter on her way to William Carey , and her career choices.I could go on about Temple, and the people that serve God there, but it apparently would fall on deaf ears. Personally I applaud Temple and the efforts that they are making trying to reach out to the citizens of Hattiesburg, and its youth. Maybe instead of rushing to judgement you could attend services there and see for yourself, just what all does go on at Temple, 7 days a week not just on Sunday.Be a part of a growing effort to put God back into the everyday life of America, instead of comdemnation for those that are doing more than writing nasty comments about a movie.

[Conveyor Belt]

I don't think anyone attacked the movie, they were questioning weather or not this was the best allocation of the funds at hand. Some feel that the ministry of Jesus would be best served by using the $5000 to help those less fortunate eat rather than helping kids see a movie. I'm sure if it was a choice of movie tickets or helping the less fortunate, Jesus would have picked the movie everytime.

[wilebill]

I brought up the article in the HA because I wondered how everyone felt about Temple spending the money for this endeavor. It's their money and they can do what they want with it, but I do question whether it's better spent on bringing a movie to Hattiesburg, whether they could have just bought a DVD of it and showed it one night, or numerous other things that needs money.

JB2379 brought up a good point that nobody else touched - if it were Mt. Carmel church would the outrage over questioning how Temple spent this money still have occurred? I doubt it, it probably would have centered around how they're wasting money and they should spend it on more useful things.

But obviously the issue was interesting no matter how you feel about it since it did have a lot of views.

[fuzzis]

JB2379 brought up a good point that nobody else touched - if it were Mt. Carmel church would the outrage over questioning how Temple spent this money still have occurred? I doubt it, it probably would have centered around how they're wasting money and they should spend it on more useful things.


I think this is a very valid point. Many here are extraordinarily critical of Mt. Carmel and their "outreach" programs, but let it come to a white church? The defenses come fast and furious. What's the difference?

Hypocrisy comes in many, many forms.

fuzzis

[Biggie]

I don't think anyone attacked the movie, they were questioning weather or not this was the best allocation of the funds at hand. Some feel that the ministry of Jesus would be best served by using the $5000 to help those less fortunate eat rather than helping kids see a movie. I'm sure if it was a choice of movie tickets or helping the less fortunate, Jesus would have picked the movie everytime.

Hey my brother, I don't think giving that money to feed people is gonna lead them to the lord. And you know, we could argue about allocation of funds at every single Church in town and what they do with their money too. Why go on Mission Trips out of town. Why buy choir robes? Why a Grand Piano? Why not worship under a big tent instead of paying for a big building?

[Conveyor Belt]

Hey my brother, I don't think giving that money to feed people is gonna lead them to the lord. And you know, we could argue about allocation of funds at every single Church in town and what they do with their money too. Why go on Mission Trips out of town. Why buy choir robes? Why a Grand Piano? Why not worship under a big tent instead of paying for a big building?

Damn straight! I'm sure if people truly asked themselves the WWJD question instead of WW make us look better and more attractive to more lucrative members of the community, people might be in a better place.

As for leading people to the lord, I don't think giving a hungry man a movie ticket is going to make him see your church in a positive light. Kinda like giving a drowning man a glass of water, y'know?

[dollfus46]

Buying a thousand tickets is one way to bring a movie that you love to the Pine Belt. (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061026/NEWS01/610260337/1002/NEWS17)

And I'm sure it's a great way to ease the suffering of the poor, spread the word of God, and all those other things that I always thought churches were supposed to do.

I'm sure there were thousands of people who were devastated that the movie wasn't going to come to Hattiesburg, but Temple saved them by spending over $5000.

I'm sure Temple Baptist spends a great deal of money on easing suffering of the poor. They pay for heating bills, visit the sick, feed the hungry counsel broken hearts for free. But since you aren't associated with one you probably don't have a clue how much is spent nor where or on whom. That's just one of the Christian things churches are involved in. Spreading the gospel of Jesus is the main purpose. I'd think this is a great way of doing it. Especially in reaching youth. They also fund other activities such as Christian Summer Camps, Gospel sings, guest speakers, revivals, Missionary work, lunches on the lawn. What do you think a soul should be worth? You think maybe they should allocate $5 a soul? That's about what was spent on the tickets. In theory, if the churches were 100% successful, we wouldn't have drive by shootings, car jackings etc. Heck we wouldn't even need the HPD. They aren't 100% successful but they are worth encouraging instead of standing outside on the sidewalk and sniping them.