Most dominant athlete alive [Archive] - My Hattiesburg Community

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 10:20 AM

First of all, GREAT QUESTION!

Secondly - point of clarification please: When you say "most dominant ALIVE" - do you literally mean "alive" or do you mean "competing today?"

Federer and Woods in their sports are great picks. Woods as THE most dominant is hard to argue right now.

I'm going to "think on it" for a while and respond later. This is a super good question.

Let's PLEASE do not open the debate about whether or not "race car drivers are athletes or not" - if at all possible!!

Thanks again!

GM

For tennis, you are correct.

For golf, it's definitely Tiger Woods.

In Formula 1 racing, for the past few years (but not this year), it has been Michael Schumacher.

wilebill

01-26-2007, 10:22 AM

Gotta be Lance Armstrong.

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 10:45 AM

Oh, Lord...this is gonna be fun!

Gotta be Lance Armstrong.

B.T. Justice

01-26-2007, 11:06 AM

Still alive but not active. I say Michael Jordan.

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 11:16 AM

If "still alive and not active" is okay for this thread, then it's Cassius Clay/Muhammed Ali hands down! Michael Jordan probably 2nd!

But I'm still thinking!

Still alive but not active. I say Michael Jordan.

zorro

01-26-2007, 11:20 AM

Let's PLEASE do not open the debate about whether or not "race car drivers are athletes or not" - if at all possible!!

When Tiger Wood himself was asked this same question 1 or 2 years ago, his answer was Michael Schumacher!

SoMissTV

01-26-2007, 11:30 AM

Me.

kevin

01-26-2007, 11:37 AM

Michael Jordan was the most dominant player on any team sport I've ever seen.Federer is hands down the best tennis player ever! Tiger Woods best Golfer ever. Ali,was the best Boxer ever in the ring.Most dominant athlete I'll always believe was Mike Jordan.

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 11:42 AM

The bullshit flag has officially been tossed on to the field...

When Tiger Wood himself was asked this same question 1 or 2 years ago, his answer was Michael Schumacher!

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 11:44 AM

BS flag # 2....

Me.

zorro

01-26-2007, 11:49 AM

When Tiger Wood himself was asked this same question 1 or 2 years ago, his answer was Michael Schumacher!
See this article: http://www.paktribune.com/sports/newsdetail.php?nid=1233
Tiger Woods has entered the debate over who is the world's current leading sportsman by nominating Michael Schumacher.

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 01:16 PM

Either ol' Tiger don't get out much or he and Schumacher (whoever he is!!) have the same corporate sponsors. That is utterly ludicrous!

See this article: http://www.paktribune.com/sports/newsdetail.php?nid=1233

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 01:20 PM

Not sure if there ARE many "dominants" today. Tiger Woods in his sport, without question. That makes it harder - "competing today" does.

Good clarification...I'd say competing today.

zorro

01-26-2007, 01:59 PM

Either ol' Tiger don't get out much or he and Schumacher (whoever he is!!) have the same corporate sponsors. That is utterly ludicrous!

You are wrong on all 3 counts above. Strike 3...you're out! :smt118

For your info: http://www.formula1.com/archive/halloffame/driver/7.html

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schumacher

:smt006

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 03:07 PM

Okay, Don Diego, you've forced my hand. I was trying to jokingly "tip-toe," but here goes: TIGER WOODS don't know what the devil he's talking about. Michael Schumacher is not a dominating athlete - he drives a fast car!

You are wrong on all 3 counts above. Strike 3...you're out! :smt118

For your info: http://www.formula1.com/archive/halloffame/driver/7.html

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Schumacher

:smt006

kevin

01-26-2007, 03:46 PM

threekidspa

01-26-2007, 03:56 PM

When I look at Athletes past in any sport I think of how many would have loved to have the potential of one of the IMHO laziest players with no heart for athletics in Shaq O'Neil.He has all the physical gifts one could want like he was hand carved by God to be a Super Athlete.I envy his potential cause that's all he has.

Well, he certainly can't act! :smt118

IGID

01-26-2007, 04:08 PM

Well, he certainly can't act! :smt118
Or sing.

zorro

01-26-2007, 04:34 PM

TIGER WOODS don't know what the devil he's talking about. Michael Schumacher is not a dominating athlete - he drives a fast car!
Yes, but it's what he has done with fast cars that makes all the difference.

Federer plays tennis with a great raquet, and Tiger plays golf with superb golf equipment. What makes them great is how they perform with their equipment.

Perhaps, a more accurate statement than yours above would be

AUGUSTUS McRAE don't know what the devil he's talking about. :smt118

Aren't you the guy above who said the following?
Let's PLEASE do not open the debate about whether or not "race car drivers are athletes or not" - if at all possible!!

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 04:45 PM

I tried...I swear I tried. But I cannot abide ignorance from educated, intelligent people. I'm sorry!

Does your boy, whatever his name is, provide the power for that dang race car??? Come on, Zorro, give me a break!

Yes, but it's what he has done with fast cars that makes all the difference.

Federer plays tennis with a great raquet, and Tiger plays golf with superb golf equipment. What makes them great is how they perform with their equipment.

Perhaps, a more accurate statement than yours above would be

AUGUSTUS McRAE don't know what the devil he's talking about. :smt118

Aren't you the guy above who said the following?

zorro

01-26-2007, 05:30 PM

I cannot abide ignorance from educated, intelligent people.
Superb visual acuity and depth perception, lightning reflexes, outstanding judgment, and death defying guts. 7 times World Champion! (5 of those in consecutive years!) Schumacher has literally dominated a more dangerous sport than golf, basketball, and tennis for 10 years. Read the links about him above. Become educated and then respond.

He actually loves to come to the USA because of people like you who are ignorant of him. He gets mobbed if he tries to go out in public in Europe. Here in America, he can walk around in public like a regular Joe Blow without being bothered.

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 05:42 PM

Superb visual acuity and depth perception, lightning reflexes, outstanding judgment, and death defying guts. 7 times World Champion! (5 of those in consecutive years!) Schumacher has literally dominated a more dangerous sport than golf, basketball, and tennis for 10 years. Read the links about him above. Become educated and then respond.

He actually loves to come to the USA because of people like you who are ignorant of him. He gets mobbed if he tries to go out in public in Europe. Here in America, he can walk around in public like a regular Joe Blow without being bothered.

Did not know we were talking about "dangerous" - thought the question was about dominating "athletes" and in "sports" - but hey, that's just my lack of education in the arena, I suppose.

But let's just say you are "right" to satisfy that need you have, Don Diego.

zorro

01-26-2007, 05:53 PM

But let's just say you are "right" to satisfy that need you have, Don Diego.
It's a deal! :yes:

Augustus McRae

01-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Alright, I'm continuing to carry the Federer banner...

Even if you don't like tennis or don't understand the game, you should watch Federer's semifinal match with Andy Roddick from this year's Aussie Open, especially the second set.

Clear and utter dominance.

Federer is impressive. He's the "dominator" in tennis at this point - without question.

zorro

01-26-2007, 06:12 PM

But he has since changed his opinion to Roger Federer, who he met last year.
I haven't seen that. From the article in the link I provided above (which was just 4 months ago), it says

Woods came to London after sitting courtside in Roger Federer's box for his U.S. Open victory over Andy Roddick.

Woods and Federer have been compared as the world's best athletes, with both men chasing Grand Slam records in their respective domains.

So what did the golfing phenomenon think he and Federer and Formula One great Michael Schumacher - three men who currently dominate their sport - had in common?

"What you are seeing with Roger (Federer), myself and Michael (Schumacher) is that we have been consistent over the years. I think that's the key. You have to bring it each and every time you compete.": Tiger Woods.

And, if push came to shove, which man was currently the world's greatest sportsman?

Woods opted for Schumacher, since his announcement last Sunday, now in his farewell season. "I have to say Michael for his consistency over the years and I think this may be his last year, he may do one more, I don't know but what he's done year-in and year-out and it is the most globally-watched sport.": Tiger Woods.

EricStratton

01-26-2007, 10:37 PM

Drivers are not athletes. If drivers are athletes, 99 percent of us would not have a license!

Jim Brown and Lawrence Taylor have to rank up there with MJ and Ali.

LaDanian Tomlinson is the best playing any of the major sports right now. May eventually be the best of all-time. I'm not a Chargers fan, and don't really care for the NFL, but he is a man amongst men.

Tiger is great, but are golfers really elite athletes? Any sport in which one can drink and smoke and still be competitive makes one wonder? I'm actually a better golfer when I'm a bit tipsy. FACT!

Federer? Great player, but...come on, it's tennis. This is the South, why are we talking about him?

The best athletes in the world, as a whole, are NFL Football Players. They must be fast, strong, agile, and courageous. Complete Athletes!

EricStratton

01-26-2007, 10:41 PM

kevin

01-26-2007, 11:27 PM

Many times I've seen selfishness in the NBA. I love the play of LeBron and he's a great player.I still believe everyone wants still to be like mike.

wilebill

01-26-2007, 11:34 PM

They still have NBA basketball? There's still players that are either not dead or not in jail?

zorro

01-26-2007, 11:37 PM

Drivers are not athletes. If drivers are athletes, 99 percent of us would not have a license!
I agree that the vast majority of all drivers in the world are not athletes. There are a few drivers in sporting racing events though that are athletes par excellence. In Formula 1 racing, that driver is Schumacher.

Federer, Woods, and Armstrong are other athletes that have dominated their respective sports more than any other since at least the turn of the century.

wilebill

01-26-2007, 11:46 PM

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Pronunciation: <tt>'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt</tt>
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: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

How does the above definition relate to a golfer?

zorro

01-26-2007, 11:49 PM

: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

How does the above definition relate to a golfer?
It fits Tiger to a tee. :)

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 12:27 AM

It fits Tiger to a tee. :)

Yeah, because Tiger doesn't smoke between holes or during commercial breaks like most golfers! :smt118

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 01:12 AM

Oh... I'm a helluva tennis player. Love to play! Just don't revere the sport as I do football. But, let's take LaDanian Tomlinson, Federer, and...Lance Armstrong and play any sport other than football, tennis, or cycling. Who would win? I'll answer: LT! Federer may be the best tennis player ever, but, is he the greatest athlete of the present? I'll answer: NO. NO. Not even in the top 10, maybe not the top 100. You would have to put him in line behind a lot of current NFL and, I hate to say it, NBA players.

But, yes, tennis is a great "recreational" sport!

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 01:33 AM

Federer was in training for the Swiss World Cup team in soccer until his parents made him choose tennis or soccer, so I'll put my money on him. I think you're assuming that brute force is the key variable in superior athleticism...

Oh, you have to give some props to a man who endures collisions with 300 lb. d-linemen and 250 lb. LB's who are very, very fast...I think Newton may have developed some kind of law to explain that. Force equals mass times acceleration...or something like that. (I'm sure I'll be corrected by some rocket scientist)

Yes, brute force is "a" key variable in superior athleticism...

I think we're comparing apples and oranges here. Federer is a great athlete, as are many other tennis players. But, football is in a class of its own because of the collision factor.

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 01:35 AM

Care to make a little wager? Maybe you haven't been run around the court enough to know that it takes an athlete to excell at tennis :-)

Be careful what you wish for! My racquet has been declared a deadly weapon in nine states!

SouthChic

01-27-2007, 01:44 AM

Federer? Great player, but...come on, it's tennis. This is the South, why are we talking about him?

Tennis (http://www.mstennis.com/Default.asp) is a larger than you think in Mississippi.

The best athletes in the world, as a whole, are NFL Football Players. They must be fast, strong, agile, and courageous. Complete Athletes!

Are you saying people who play tennis aren't "complete athletes"?

Tennis is considered a multiple sprint sport, which taxes all the energy systems. It requires quickness and agility to get to the ball, skill, stamina to be able to play 2-3 sets, strength to get power in your shots, quick reflexes/ reaction time, exceptional patience, and mental toughness to stay one step ahead of your opponent.

Oh... I'm a helluva tennis player. Love to play! Just don't revere the sport as I do football. But, let's take LaDanian Tomlinson, Federer, and...Lance Armstrong and play any sport other than football, tennis, or cycling. Who would win? I'll answer: LT! Federer may be the best tennis player ever, but, is he the greatest athlete of the present? I'll answer: NO. NO. Not even in the top 10, maybe not the top 100. You would have to put him in line behind a lot of current NFL and, I hate to say it, NBA players.

But, yes, tennis is a great "recreational" sport!

The tennis you play may very well be recreational. But I, along with many others in this area (and all over the South), play competitively.

No, I'm not saying tennis players are better than football players, basketball players, etc., but I definitely think they could qualify as some of the best athletes.

Wanna go play? :)

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 01:56 AM

Tennis (http://www.mstennis.com/Default.asp) is a larger than you think in Mississippi.

Are you saying people who play tennis aren't "complete athletes"?

Tennis is considered a multiple sprint sport, which taxes all the energy systems. It requires quickness and agility to get to the ball, skill, stamina to be able to play 2-3 sets, strength to get power in your shots, quick reflexes/ reaction time, exceptional patience, and mental toughness to stay one step ahead of your opponent.

How often do tennis players get "slobber-knocked" when chasing after a ball? That's all I'm saying. OK, OK, OK...tennis players are tremendous athletes. There are NFL players who could be competitive on the ATP tour with little training. No current tennis professional could make an NFL roster.
The tennis you play may very well be recreational. But I, along with many others in this area (and all over the South), play competitively.

No, I'm not saying tennis players are better than football players, basketball players, etc., but I definitely think they could qualify as some of the best athletes.

Wanna go play? :)

With tort reform holding strong in MS, it wouldn't be fair for me to play any of you guys. I want your family to get every penny they deserve from me and my insurance company, when I leave you disabled! I don't want them to battle the "cap" !:smt045

SouthChic

01-27-2007, 02:11 AM

How often do tennis players get "slobber-knocked" when chasing after a ball? That's all I'm saying. OK, OK, OK...tennis players are tremendous athletes.

So now NFL players are better athletes because they get "slobber-knocked"? I thought it was because of their agility, speed, etc.. as you said a while ago.

I think you've proven your point, that you think tennis isn't a "tough" sport. But that's ok. 20-30 years from now, compare the tennis player to the football player and see who is in better physical condition. At any age, the tennis player can continue to play, because tennis is a great all-over body workout. In the meantime, the football player will probably be stove up with arthritis from all of the broken bones and "slobber-knockings" they received while being so tough.

There are NFL players who could be competitive on the ATP tour with little training. No current tennis professional could make an NFL roster.

It always amazes me how amateurs think any Joe Blow can walk off of the street and magically compete in tennis 'with little training'. It reminds me of a guy I dated in high school. He thought the same way you do and challenged me to a match. After I beat him 6-0 the first set, he was begging me to let him win a game so he wouldn't be embarrased in front of his friends. But I couldn't find it in myself to let him have a game because of all of his "big talking" in front of his friends about how easy it was, so I went ahead and took the 2nd set 6-0 as well.

Tennis is more than a "physical" game. Sure it requires one to be strong and in great shape, but the most important thing in tennis is all mental strength and outsmarting your opponent.

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 02:21 AM

So now NFL players are better athletes because they get "slobber-knocked"? I thought it was because of their agility, speed, etc.. as you said a while ago.

I think you've proven your point, that you think tennis isn't a "tough" sport. But that's ok. 20-30 years from now, compare the tennis player to the football player and see who is in better physical condition. At any age, the tennis player can continue to play, because tennis is a great all-over body workout. In the meantime, the football player will probably be stove up with arthritis from all of the broken bones and "slobber-knockings" they received while being so tough.

It always amazes me how amateurs think any Joe Blow can walk off of the street and magically compete in tennis 'with little training'. It reminds me of a guy I dated in high school. He thought the same way you do and challenged me to a match. After I beat him 6-0 the first set, he was begging me to let him win a game so he wouldn't be embarrased in front of his friends. But I couldn't find it in myself to let him have a game because of all of his "big talking" in front of his friends about how easy it was, so I went ahead and took the 2nd set 6-0 as well.

Tennis is more than a "physical" game. Sure it requires one to be strong and in great shape, but the most important thing in tennis is all mental strength and outsmarting your opponent.

No, NFL players are better athletes because they have the same, if not more, athletic ability than tennis players AND they get "slobber-knocked"! You also prove the point that football places far more physical demands on the body than tennis. Tennis players survive longer because they don't take the punishment that football players do. That doesn't make tennis a better workout! You're right, I don't think tennis is a "tough" sport.

Are you saying that football doesn't require mental strength or more mental strength than tennis? Please. I'm insulted. Go to your local high school and ask to take a peek at the playbook. You'll be surprised how much you don't know.

Congrats on your Billy Jean King moment!

SouthChic

01-27-2007, 02:42 AM

No, NFL players are better athletes because they have the same, if not more, athletic ability than tennis players AND they get "slobber-knocked"! You also prove the point that football places far more physical demands on the body than tennis. Tennis players survive longer because they don't take the punishment that football players do. That doesn't make tennis a better workout! You're right, I don't think tennis is a "tough" sport.

Are you saying that football doesn't require mental strength or more mental strength than tennis? Please. I'm insulted. Go to your local high school and ask to take a peek at the playbook. You'll be surprised how much you don't know.

Congrats on your Billy Jean King moment!

Didn't mean to upset you. My original point was only in response to your comment to say that tennis is a big part of people's lives here in the South and that it also requires the things you mentioned about football players (agility, strength, etc.) I'm not knocking football players by any means and sure I believe it requires mental strength. You insulted me in your first few posts by saying the things you said about tennis players, so I guess we are even. And thanks, but I had more than just a "Billy Jean King moment" in my tennis career. Now can we please kiss & make up? :attack:

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 02:53 AM

Didn't mean to upset you. My original point was only in response to your comment to say that tennis is a big part of people's lives here in the South and that it also requires the things you mentioned about football players (agility, strength, etc.) I'm not knocking football players by any means and sure I believe it requires mental strength. You insulted me in your first few posts by saying the things you said about tennis players, so I guess we are even. And thanks, but I had more than just a "Billy Jean King moment" in my tennis career. Now can we please kiss & make up? :attack:

Oh yeah, you know Otter can't stay mad at the ladies! Let's call it "Love-Love"!:teeth:

SouthChic

01-27-2007, 03:00 AM

Oh yeah, you know Otter can't stay mad at the ladies! Let's call it "Love-Love"!:teeth:

Just for you... :)

http://www.acmewebpages.com/graphics/ah_otter.gif

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 03:08 AM

Just for you... :)

http://www.acmewebpages.com/graphics/ah_otter.gif

Oh, Mandy!! :smt038

zorro

01-27-2007, 09:46 AM

it's Cassius Clay/Muhammed Ali hands down!
ROCKY BALBOA could have beat him! In fact, he has definitely been the most dominant athlete in boxing for the past 25 years. :smt118

He could have beat up any NFL player as well. :)

But, he couldn't play tennis, golf, or drive a Formula 1 racing car worth a darn. :smt103

Augustus McRae

01-27-2007, 10:40 AM

Care to make a little wager? Maybe you haven't been run around the court enough to know that it takes an athlete to excell at tennis :-)

Careful with the "wager" talk, Doc. If he's who I think he is, ol' Stratton was a helluva athlete h'self.

Augustus McRae

01-27-2007, 10:43 AM

ROCKY BALBOA could have beat him! In fact, he has definitely been the most dominant athlete in boxing for the past 25 years. :smt118

He could have beat up any NFL player as well. :)

But, he couldn't play tennis, golf, or drive a Formula 1 racing car worth a darn. :smt103

10,000 stand-up comedians out of work and....

Augustus McRae

01-27-2007, 10:44 AM

Alright...let's put LT and Federer in a marathon and see who's sport has given them a better workout. :)

Everybody and their Aunt Suzy is running "marathons." That's no measure of athletic ability and surely not dominants. Let's get back on topic...

zorro

01-27-2007, 12:22 PM

Everybody and their Aunt Suzy is running "marathons." That's no measure of athletic ability and surely not dominants. Let's get back on topic...

I agree with Augustus! Let's put LT and Federer each in the Formula 1 Racing Cars and Grand Prix of their choice and let's see who wins! Heck, let's see if either finishes. Even better, let's see if either survives. :)

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 04:50 PM

I was a state champion in high school, played college tennis, three-time Atlanta City Champ (hint, I only lived there four years)...I'm not saying I'm a great player, but I can hold my own a bit.

Intramural Doubles Champ! Pearl River Community College. Take that, Doc.

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 05:09 PM

I work at PRCC and recently beat the #1 and #2 players on the Men's (i.e., college, not intramural) Team...but good for you. :)

Well, they don't make 'em like me down there anymore!! I would have found someway to sabotage your game. I was a real punk! That God I've grown up!

zorro

01-27-2007, 05:14 PM

EricStratton

01-27-2007, 05:17 PM

Hey Doc and Eric,

you guys are both better tennis players than I am; however, I play a mean game of chess. :smt118 It really exercises your brain. :smt119

If you 2 guys ever do decide to play, we really do need to get a vBookie going on the match. :smt045

Zorro,

I'd rather race you in Formula 1. Both require the same amount of energy and athleticism! More fun in horsepower!

Go ahead and blast me!

Otter

zorro

01-27-2007, 05:34 PM

OK, in all seriousness, when I played high school football, I was the starting right offensive tackle my jr and sr years. Never in 2 years did the man I was blocking sack the quarterback. I was honored my sr year to get a trophy for Best Blocker (which is as good as an offensive lineman could hope for).

2 years ago I had to have knee surgery performed for an injury that it suffered when I was playing football with all younger men (including my oldest son) in our church. I knew after the game that I would never play a football game again. It really was a sad feeling. :smt087 Tennis has also been affected as my mobility is not what it was (good thing for you 2 guys :smt118 ).

One of my great joys now is teaching my youngest son how to throw, catch, and punt a football. Of course, I really hope though that he grows up to be a Formula 1 racing car driver. :)

SouthChic

01-27-2007, 10:16 PM

Walter Payton was pretty dominant.

Augustus McRae

01-27-2007, 10:28 PM

Walter Payton was pretty dominant.

You know, you made me remember someone! Walter Payton was one of the finest - EVER. But probably the most dominant football player of all time was # 32, Jim Brown!

Ain't we proud Walter is our homeboy???

Augustus McRae

01-27-2007, 10:31 PM

Guys, I guess I am just getting old and losing my edge. I don't know why it took me two or three days, but there is little doubt. Jim Brown was the most dominating athlete in his sport of all time, I think. And I'd bet my ass he would drive a Formula 1 race car, beat all y'all's asses at tennis, and play chess with the best of them. The guy was even an All American in Lacrosse - that's a fact!

It's Jim Brown...close the dang thread!

selmore

01-27-2007, 11:07 PM

Chuck Liddell
he will kick anyones arse

CircusRide

01-28-2007, 11:55 PM

Roger Federer and Tiger Woods. No question about those two.
Hard to pick an idividual from a team sport.

Augustus McRae

01-29-2007, 10:43 AM

Roger Federer and Tiger Woods. No question about those two.
Hard to pick an idividual from a team sport.

# 32 - Jim Brown! Unbelievable! I used to LIVE for the Sundays when the Cleveland Browns (with Jim Brown) played the Green Bay Packers - with Paul Hornung, Bart Starr, Max Magee, Jim Taylor, Fuzzy Thurston, Jerry Kramer, etc...- would tie up. Green Bay had a helluva team with Vince Lombardi as "master coach." They'd shoot ALL their guns at the Browns and score from time to time. THEN Cleveland would get the ball and hand it to Jim Brown - THAT was their offense. He was the most dominating player EVER in football.

Augustus McRae

01-29-2007, 12:55 PM

I never saw Jim Brown play live, but the tapes are mighty impressive.

Doc, he was un-frickin-believable! And what an interesting human being! Jim Brown, after his playing days (and he quit at his peak!) was an actor and went on a "spiritual journey" that took him through Islam, Zen of all kinds, and fundamental Christianity. I've always liked him because he has always been TOTALLY UNAFRAID to question and to explore.

Jim Brown now is 70 years old. I heard him on a radio talk show recently. The host asked him "What DO you believe now, Jim?" Brown said: I believe there is one God. I believe there is one race. And the "Golden Rule" is the only theology that makes any sense to me."

Augustus McRae

01-29-2007, 12:56 PM

zorro

01-29-2007, 01:19 PM

I believe there is one God. I believe there is one race. And the "Golden Rule" is the only theology that makes any sense to me."

There is one God. Not everyone worships him or even acknowledges him though (see Romans 1). Not everyone who believes in "one God" believes in the one true God either.

All humans are descended from Adam and Eve. I'm not sure if this is what Brown meant by referring to "one race". It is more accurate to say that all men from all races of mankind are descended from Adam and Eve, and that all men are created in the image of God.

The "Golden Rule" is a summary of what it means to obey God's Law as pertaining to our fellow men. It is not a summary of "the only theology" that one should know. Brown obviously was a better athlete than he was a theologian.

Augustus McRae

01-29-2007, 04:38 PM

:smt119

There is one God. Not everyone worships him or even acknowledges him though (see Romans 1). Not everyone who believes in "one God" believes in the one true God either.

All humans are descended from Adam and Eve. I'm not sure if this is what Brown meant by referring to "one race". It is more accurate to say that all men from all races of mankind are descended from Adam and Eve, and that all men are created in the image of God.

The "Golden Rule" is a summary of what it means to obey God's Law as pertaining to our fellow men. It is not a summary of "the only theology" that one should know. Brown obviously was a better athlete than he was a theologian.

Augustus McRae

01-29-2007, 05:48 PM

Maybe the ol' boy finally just got honest with h'self.

There is one God. Not everyone worships him or even acknowledges him though (see Romans 1). Not everyone who believes in "one God" believes in the one true God either.

All humans are descended from Adam and Eve. I'm not sure if this is what Brown meant by referring to "one race". It is more accurate to say that all men from all races of mankind are descended from Adam and Eve, and that all men are created in the image of God.

The "Golden Rule" is a summary of what it means to obey God's Law as pertaining to our fellow men. It is not a summary of "the only theology" that one should know. Brown obviously was a better athlete than he was a theologian.

EricStratton

01-29-2007, 05:49 PM

There is one God. Not everyone worships him or even acknowledges him though (see Romans 1). Not everyone who believes in "one God" believes in the one true God either.

All humans are descended from Adam and Eve. I'm not sure if this is what Brown meant by referring to "one race". It is more accurate to say that all men from all races of mankind are descended from Adam and Eve, and that all men are created in the image of God.

The "Golden Rule" is a summary of what it means to obey God's Law as pertaining to our fellow men. It is not a summary of "the only theology" that one should know. Brown obviously was a better athlete than he was a theologian.

Yeah, but I bet he could out run and run over a whole slew of theologians!! Take that babble (pun intended) to another thread.

zorro

01-29-2007, 06:00 PM

Yeah, but I bet he could out run and run over a whole slew of theologians!!
Not if they were in Formula 1 racing cars! :smt118

Augustus McRae

01-29-2007, 06:02 PM

Not if they were in Formula 1 racing cars! :smt118

they would likely be Pentecostals, I 'spec

EricStratton

01-30-2007, 01:11 AM

I think we should modify this thread to "Most Dominate Athlete in his/her Sport". We're comparing apples and oranges in some of these debates.

I watched Tiger Sunday. Without a doubt...the other golfers tremble around him...

I guess Federer is the same in tennis...don't really know

Tomlinson seems to be on top of football...

NBA= ???

MLB=???

EricStratton

01-30-2007, 01:18 AM

We could decide on a person from each sport, then put the top from each sport in an overall poll with the question being, "Which athlete is most dominant in his/her sport?"

NBA is tough...so many dominant players, but currently when Koby Bryant is on, can anyone stop him?

MLB is another tough one. I'd have to say Puljios or however you spell it.

NBA= I love watching LeBron when he is really on...I can't vote for Kobe; I just don't like his attitude....I think Dewayne Wade is, pound for pound, the best right now...

MLB= I, honestly, can't give an educated opinion on this one...I don't watch enough...But, in lieu of a verdict, Bonds has to be mentioned

Augustus McRae

01-30-2007, 09:11 AM

I'm sorry, but major league baseball and the NBA are the two most over-rated "circuses" in sports today. There are few dang REAL athletes in baseball. There are some great ones in the NBA but it's about as much fun to watch on televsion as the test pattern (for those of you who remember what that was!).

kevin

01-30-2007, 02:21 PM

There seems to me no sense of Team sport in the NBA anymore.I do enjoy College but the pro's are a joke IMHO.Were is the hustle and emotion that was once in the NBA???

EricStratton

01-30-2007, 07:09 PM

There seems to me no sense of Team sport in the NBA anymore.I do enjoy College but the pro's are a joke IMHO.Were is the hustle and emotion that was once in the NBA???

No doubt...an NBA game is nothing more than a series of one-on-one pickup games...You could see more skill and team play at your local YMCA league...that's why we are getting our ass whipped in the Olympics! The Dream Team was a great idea, but I think it's time to put the college boys back in the Red, White, and Blue (and let Bobby Knight take 'em back)

Augustus McRae

01-30-2007, 10:46 PM

No doubt...an NBA game is nothing more than a series of one-on-one pickup games...You could see more skill and team play at your local YMCA league...that's why we are getting our ass whipped in the Olympics! The Dream Team was a great idea, but I think it's time to put the college boys back in the Red, White, and Blue (and let Bobby Knight take 'em back)

Larry Bird and Magic Johnson kept the NBA alive. It ain't alive any more.

EricStratton

01-30-2007, 11:58 PM

Larry Bird and Magic Johnson kept the NBA alive. It ain't alive any more.

Yeah, and major league baseball lost its luster when Pasquel Perez got sent to the joint!

EricStratton

01-31-2007, 12:01 AM

I thought he was still driving around Atlanta trying to find Fulton County Stadium.

Yeah, with Bob Horner riding shotgun and Claudell Washington and Bruce Benedict in the back!! Miss those Baby Blue Braves!

EricStratton

01-31-2007, 12:07 AM

How bout Bruce Sutter and Glen Garber? Didn't one of the Neikro boys where the baby blue for a while, too? And, Glen Hubbard who, by the way, I always thought resembled the love child of Adolph Hitler and the little Lucky Charms guy.

EricStratton

01-31-2007, 12:36 AM

Chris Chambliss at First

EricStratton

01-31-2007, 12:42 AM

Biff Pocaroba off the bench!

I've got to admit...I don't remember him.

Augustus McRae

01-31-2007, 10:16 AM

Yeah, and major league baseball lost its luster when Pasquel Perez got sent to the joint!

Amen and Amen! Last major league baseball game I saw in person - on family vacation many years ago - Braves vs. Padres. Pasquel Perez (with jerri-curl a-shining!) hit the first batter. The batter charged the mound and it was ON! When order was restored, Pasquel hit the second hitter and they tossed him.

After a big fight and then rain delay, Goose Gossage came on to relieve for the Padres. He hit the first two batters and the fight was on again.

I God, Woodrow, THAT was major league baseball!!!

Doc and Stratton, you two guys - who I like - wake me up when the MLB discussion is over please!

EricStratton

01-31-2007, 01:25 PM

Lucky for you, Gus. I have posted everything I know about the MLB...Now that Rocker is faded, nothing else to talk about

Augustus McRae

01-31-2007, 02:03 PM

Lucky for you, Gus. I have posted everything I know about the MLB...Now that Rocker is faded, nothing else to talk about

My favorite "professional" baseball players are: Billy Devrow, Ed Assaf, Donnie Bridges, Steve "Bone" Knight, and the Logan brothers - Chris and Kyle. None of them ever made it off the minor league bus routes. Doubt of any of them made enough money playing "professionally" to buy a Ford Escort on time, but that's all I want to know about pro baseball...