Capital punishment a sin?

[bpitt]

Does anyone here believe that capital punishment is sin? Any who do not think it is? Can anyone give scripture backing there belief?

[Conveyor Belt]

Don't some scriptures tell us to stone to death people who commit certain sins? I would think that's God giving you the big thumbs up to kill criminals. Murder of the innocent and extermination of the evil are two different things.

Now, when someone is exterminated for evil, but later found to be innocent, THAT'S the question... you had good intentions, but committed murder... are you going to be punished for that?

[aaron]

Now, when someone is exterminated for evil, but later found to be innocent, THAT'S the question... you had good intentions, but committed murder... are you going to be punished for that?

I don't think so, as long as you put forth 100% to try to find the truth. If they throw the switch and you had doubts the entire time thought, then yeah, you might need some forgiveness for that. I think we've got into a mode in this country where if someone gets hurt or killed, it's always someone's fault, and I don't think that's true. Accidents happen. It's life. No one should pay for it.

[EricStratton]

Does anyone here believe that capital punishment is sin? Any who do not think it is? Can anyone give scripture backing there belief?

I don't want to say it is a sin, but I am not a proponent of the death penalty. More specifically, I'm not a proponent of our (America) current system of handing out the death penalty. Some murderers live, some murderers die....I don't understand that. We had a thread about this a while back, and I explained my views in more detail, but I don't want to go down that road right now.

As for scripture, I think "Thou shalt not kill" may work?

[dollfus46]

I don't want to say it is a sin, but I am not a proponent of the death penalty. More specifically, I'm not a proponent of our (America) current system of handing out the death penalty. Some murderers live, some murderers die....I don't understand that. We had a thread about this a while back, and I explained my views in more detail, but I don't want to go down that road right now.

As for scripture, I think "Thou shalt not kill" may work?

We're pretty much in lock step here, Eric, except for the Commandment. I'm not sure (meaning: I'm not sure) that's how it was meant to be applied. But, like you, I really don't feel like going down that road again, today.

[TheKing]

Don't some scriptures tell us to stone to death people who commit certain sins?

unless it was the 10 commandments...or it was written in red ink...then be very very careful about what you assume

literal interpretations, assumptions, or taking certain scriptures out of context have gotton us all in a world of trouble over the years...

never forget that the bible itself wasn't written by God...it was 'inspired' by god...or at least thats what the people who wrote each book and the committee that assembled it want us to believe.

i fully support the death penalty....but i do believe its a sin and we are just going to have to ask for forgiveness.

[EricStratton]

Thou Shall Not Kill.
I guess I'm guilty.Being a soldier and trying to be a christian at the same time is pretty hard to do.
Who decides when it's considered o.k. to kill another human.
I made the decision to stay alive.

Off Topic.I'm sorry.

Interesting point of view, my friend. I'll have to think about that for a few days.

BTW, your signature is perfect. GO AGGIES!

[EricStratton]

But I was still off topic.I do apologize.I don't have that filter between my brain and my mouth like some people do.If I think it I usually say it.

You are forgiven by the provisional council (Me). Not everyone can be as restrained and as tactful as I am.:smt118

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

Thou Shall Not Kill.
I guess I'm guilty.Being a soldier and trying to be a christian at the same time is pretty hard to do.
Who decides when it's considered o.k. to kill another human.
I made the decision to stay alive.

Off Topic.I'm sorry.

Interesting point of view, my friend. I'll have to think about that for a few days.

BTW, your signature is perfect. GO AGGIES!

I was taught that it was thou shalt not murder. It's a big difference I think.

[58ford]

Jesus threw the Phraisees an interesting curveball when a woman was caught in the very act of adultery, from John 8:

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.

3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court,

4they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act.

5"Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?"

6They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground.

7But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

8Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court.

10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?"

11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either Go From now on sin no more."]

I find this scripture particularly interesting in that it's never stated WHAT Jesus wrote on the ground.

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

I have my own beliefs as to the taking of someones life for punishment. But here's a curve added to the topic. If you're pro-life (anti abortion) can you be pro capital punishment? Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?

[aaron]

I have my own beliefs as to the taking of someones life for punishment. But here's a curve added to the topic. If you're pro-life (anti abortion) can you be pro capital punishment? Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?

If the baby murdered someone, yes.

[dollfus46]

Thou Shall Not Kill.
I guess I'm guilty.Being a soldier and trying to be a christian at the same time is pretty hard to do.
Who decides when it's considered o.k. to kill another human.
I made the decision to stay alive.

Off Topic.I'm sorry.

I don't consider it Off topic. I think we are to confine the topic to the state putting people to death for dastardly deeds. But if someone quotes the Commandment, "Thy Shalt Not Kill' from the Bible in opposition to it, it certainly opens up other means of "killing" I'd think. Of course then there are those zealots who would not defend themselves rather than kill anyone because of the Commandment. Gets sticky, huh? I'm going with my gut here. Kill if you have to in defense of yourself or country. Common Sense. But Capital Punishment for crimes should be outlawed. It's not meted out fairly. Depends on who you kill, how you killed them, if your daddy beat you, if you were on drugs. There is a new excuse everyday to keep someone out of the gas chamber. Then you have the wealth issue. Who can afford the best defense. Which attorney is better at carefully selecting a jury. One jury would acquit, another would find the same dude guilty and put him to death. It's nuts. No reasonable person could be for the death penalty AS IT IS NOW APPLIED.

[zorro]

I have my own beliefs as to the taking of someones life for punishment. But here's a curve added to the topic. If you're pro-life (anti abortion) can you be pro capital punishment? Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?
In Exodus 20, one of the 10 commandments (the 6th one) is translated in the KJV as "Thou shalt not kill". However, the more accurate translation is "You shall not murder" (as rendered in many other translations including the NAS, NIV, ESV, and even the NKJV). Now, murder involves the taking or killing of innocent human life.

The "right to life" crowd correctly recognizes that human life begins at conception, and thus, this life is innocent, and therefore, abortion is the deliberate killing of innocent human life. The "right to life" crowd is united in being against the killing of innocent human life. OTOH, there are crimes where a person is no longer innocent, and for The State to administer just punishment, capital punishment is what is just. The "right to life" crowd is not against justice.

[EricStratton]

In Exodus 20, one of the 10 commandments (the 6th one) is translated in the KJV as "Thou shalt not kill". However, the more accurate translation is "You shall not murder" (as rendered in many other translations including the NAS, NIV, ESV, and even the NKJV). Now, murder involves the taking or killing of innocent human life.

The "right to life" crowd correctly recognizes that human life begins at conception, and thus, this life is innocent, and therefore, abortion is the deliberate killing of innocent human life. The "right to life" crowd is united in being against the killing of innocent human life. OTOH, there are crimes where a person is no longer innocent, and for The State to administer just punishment, capital punishment is what is just. The "right to life" crowd is not against justice.

Yeah, Z, I agree that criminals should be punished in accordance with their crimes, but the administration of the death penalty is so prejudicial that it makes me laugh(or cry).

[zorro]

I personally think it is utter hypocrisy to stand against abortion but yet support the death penalty.
Hey Doc, we disagree on this point. See my post above.

To elaborate further, I think that it is important to understand the difference between sin and crime.

All sin is primarily against God. Sin is the breaking of God's commands (i.e., for us, His moral law). There is nothing whatsoever wrong with this law. It is perfect. The problem is with us. And the greatest problem that we will ever face in this life is the problem of our sins and our sinfulness. Simply ignoring this problem, or denying it, will never provide an adequate solution (though many deceive themselves and others in thinking so). If you do this and never deal with the problem of sin in the way that God Himself has provided, you will justly suffer for the consequences of your sin for the duration of eternity. If you, however, are convinced of your sinfulness, the solution to the problem is not in running from the only true God whose law you have broken. As strange as it may seem, you must turn to the One who you have chiefly offended in order to obtain salvation. The primary purpose of the law of God is to lead us to Christ, the Savior that we all need.

Crime, on the other hand, is the breaking of the laws of a State. As long as civil laws do not violate God's Law, we are to obey them. As a matter of fact, the civil magistrate (whether he recognizes it or not) is a servant of God, and he will answer accordingly. Whereas, the individual Christian is forbidden to take personal vengeance (Romans 12:17-21), the civil magistrate is a servant of God who is an avenger of God's wrath against criminals (Romans 13:1-5). All sins are not crimes, and thus, the civil magistrate is not to be involved with all sins. On the other hand, all crimes are not sins either! For example, when the early Christians were told not to preach Jesus, or when they were ordered to worship Caesar, their correct attitude was that they were to obey God rather than men. All authority comes from God, and when any authority commands you to sin (by either acts of commission or acts of omission), then their authority in that command is no longer valid. Thus, some laws themselves can be sinful. The ideal though is that human laws conform to the will of God. And laws, to be laws, have to have teeth (i.e., punishment for breaking them). And for laws to be just, the punishment must be neither less nor more than the specific broken law deserves. Now, where will we find described an idea of what is just punishment for a State (not individuals) to institute for individual crimes? You will find it in the case laws that God Himself prescribed as just in His Word.

Now, if you are justly convicted of the crime of murder, and you are incarcerated for such, and if you subsequently truly repent and flee to Christ alone for salvation, your sins will be forgiven by God on the basis of what Christ has done in your behalf. If you have had your sins imputed to Christ and the righteousness of Christ imputed to you, then you will never suffer the just punishment of God for your sins for eternity in hell (the second death), because Christ Himself has already paid the price for your sins and his righteousness has been placed to your account. Nevertheless, your crime (not the sin) of murder will be justly punished by the civil magistrate, God's avenger of wrath against crimes here. You may ask the family of the victim for forgiveness, etc., and they may forgive you. Even if you are forgiven by them, however, it would still not be wrong for them to want The State to avenge their family member's death no matter how real your repentance and faith in Christ really is.

The key here (as Eric has just pointed out) is that those who are convicted of a crime deserving the death penalty should definitely be truly guilty of the crime for which they are condemned. Otherwise, their execution is unjust. DNA evidence today has helped free some who have been wrongfully convicted and who were on death row; it has also aided in convicting others who were truly guilty.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. -- Romans 13:1-5

[Conveyor Belt]

If we're supposed to walk in the path of Jesus, why are we imprisoning people? Jesus didn't ask that the adulteress be put in prison, only that she repent and go live. Shouldn't we, in turn, if trying to live like Jesus, abhor the imprisonment of a human being? WWJD?

[Ande']

This is a deep subject. I've got to think about this.

[Conveyor Belt]

Actually the law required stoning for her offense.

Jesus did not come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it. He also did not come in His first incarnation to topple governments and overthrow injustice. For example, Jesus did not free slaves. In fact, Paul wrote that "slaves" should be obedient to their "earthly masters" recognizing that slavery was the law of the land. The teachings that it was for freedom that Christ set us free gave rise to the sentiment that all men should be free. Little by little, we have seen slavery abolished, though it still exists in some parts of the world.

With all due respect, Paul isn't Jesus.

The law required stoning, yet Jesus, in this instance, abolished the sentence for not following the law. He did not say, Stone no more, but only asked that those who had done no wrong, commit more wrong upon the adulteress. Jesus asked forgiveness of us toward those who had offended us. How is imprisoning someone giving forgiveness?

We're not going to see eye to eye on this, but this is the Jesus I read when I'm reading the bible.

[dollfus46]

That's what I tell these A-holes that like to ask me if i've ever killed anybody. I say I've never murdered anybody.They just look at me funny.But asking a soldier if he's ever killed anybody is about the same as asking a man if you can sleep with his wife.You know,really innappropriate.And usually ends up with said questioner going to the emergency room.

Quite right. Some don't mean ill by the question. Still way out of line. I believe killing anybody has to be one of the most traumatic things to do, even if it's him or you. You have to live with that. Sorry, fotno

[dollfus46]

I have my own beliefs as to the taking of someones life for punishment. But here's a curve added to the topic. If you're pro-life (anti abortion) can you be pro capital punishment? Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?

Yes. No.

[dollfus46]

In Exodus 20, one of the 10 commandments (the 6th one) is translated in the KJV as "Thou shalt not kill". However, the more accurate translation is "You shall not murder" (as rendered in many other translations including the NAS, NIV, ESV, and even the NKJV). Now, murder involves the taking or killing of innocent human life.

The "right to life" crowd correctly recognizes that human life begins at conception, and thus, this life is innocent, and therefore, abortion is the deliberate killing of innocent human life. The "right to life" crowd is united in being against the killing of innocent human life. OTOH, there are crimes where a person is no longer innocent, and for The State to administer just punishment, capital punishment is what is just. The "right to life" crowd is not against justice.

Good explanation of the two.

[SouthChic]

Here (http://www.biblegateway.com/topical/topical_resource.php?source=1&tid=3998) are some scriptures I found concerning the death penalty.

[selmore]

yes

[bpitt]

It looks like I've brought up a good subject. One which we all need to study further. I, too, am a believer in capital punishment, the Old Testament goes along with it, but, I also understand Jesus and the adulteress, and that's where I'm somewhat perplexed. It somewhat appears to be 'wiped out' in the New Testament with Christ's crucifixtion(sp?). Thus, I question myself, which is not good, cuz I ain't the brightest on the Scripture, I still learning.

[big john]

any god who makes bears come out of the woods and kill little children for picking on a prophet has got to be for capital punishment.

[EricStratton]

any god who makes bears come out of the woods and kill little children for picking on a prophet has got to be for capital punishment.

meds today?

[big john]

2 kings:23 24


23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

[EricStratton]

2 kings:23 24


23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Yeah, but that's just nature taken care of some kids who had it comin'.

[big john]

folks dont need to be pickin on no halo,god dont like them ar bald jokes.

[dollfus46]

As am I...as am I.

Then stick with me, kid. I'll larn ya something. :)

[bpitt]

Whoa, that is in the Bible, I just looked it up, about the bears, holy poop, forgive the pun, but I've never read that Scripture before.........dang......that some serious stuff right there now.

[bpitt]

Really, that just really freaks me out.........

[EricStratton]

Whoa, that is in the Bible, I just looked it up, about the bears, holy poop, forgive the pun, but I've never read that Scripture before.........dang......that some serious stuff right there now.

Yeah, I know! And all these years I thought my momma was a babbling psychopath when she used to tell me: "Eric, quit making fun of all them bald folks before them bears come out the woods and eat yo ass."

Sorry, mom. I love you.

[big john]

Yeah, I know! And all these years I thought my momma was a babbling psychopath when she used to tell me: "Eric, quit making fun of all them bald folks before them bears come out the woods and eat yo ass."

Sorry, mom. I love you.roflmao:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[big john]

holy crap ,that was funny,I got tears in my eyes.

[big john]

Hey john, what's a physco? ;-)

Does that have to do with being like a physical therapist or sumfin? That must be one of those certifications. :-)I copied it off the internet and just never noticed it thanks,wish someone would have told me sooner.lol

[EricStratton]

I copied it off the internet and just never noticed it thanks,wish someone would have told me sooner.lol

Sorry, BJ. I can't read. My little monkey, Coolio, who reads and types all my posts for me, missed that one.

[big john]

coolio! you killin me.
I thought doc was here to talk bout my little bible story,I have lots more.Is everything spellded ok?

[Conveyor Belt]

So you believe that Jesus promoted anarchy?

No, Jesus had rules. Just no prison. Guilt was your prison.

If we're forgiving people, what's the purpose of locking them away?

[fredbear]

Does anyone here believe that capital punishment is sin? Any who do not think it is? Can anyone give scripture backing there belief? 13] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.leviticus 20:13 thats just an example the punishment should fit the crime im sure

[bpitt]

I understand....I've read all that in the Old Testament, it just seems that when Jesus arrives, all the Old Testament ways are to be put away.

[bpitt]

Guess I just need to keep reading....

[Conveyor Belt]

I understand....I've read all that in the Old Testament, it just seems that when Jesus arrives, all the Old Testament ways are to be put away.

This is a question I've asked myself a lot in response to people quoting how Jesus changed things, then turning around and quoting OT scripture to make a point...

Anyhow, I believe Jesus addressed the law of Moses to his disciples. I believe he said he wasn't here to replace the laws of Moses (could be wrong, but google says I'm right).

However, I'm not seeing enough homosexual murder to the ratio of bible thumpers out there... are we living the word or not? And if it's not relevant anymore, why's it still in the book...

[fredbear]

jesus didnt change a thing...he did give us hope in salvation and a better life...im not sure about what you mean by homosexual to bible thumper murder ratio...if theres stats on this please show...aids should be enough proof that what god says he means

[fuzzis]

jesus didnt change a thing...he did give us hope in salvation and a better life...im not sure about what you mean by homosexual to bible thumper murder ratio...if theres stats on this please show...aids should be enough proof that what god says he means

I thought we were long past the whole AIDS-is-god's-punishment-for-homosexuality bs. Apparently ignorance reins supreme for some.

The group with one of the fastest growing groups of people who are infected with HIV/AIDS? Women. In their 40s-50s-60s...who have generally just come out of marriages and are back on the dating scene. Wonder what sin they've committed?

:roll:

[fredbear]

regardless it started with homosexuals whether its a curse or not only god knows...and again let me see the stats on this 40 and 50 year old women deal...if i offend any homosexuals on here im sorry...but the digestive system is for digesting not for procreating with

[big john]

jesus didnt change a thing...he did give us hope in salvation and a better life...im not sure about what you mean by homosexual to bible thumper murder ratio...if theres stats on this please show...aids should be enough proof that what god says he meansA very good friend of mine died of aids,he was not a homo,it was from a blood trans.if god killed sinners none of us would be here.

[fredbear]

If we're still going by the book.That is. f.c.a.h.s good school

[fredbear]

A very good friend of mine died of aids,he was not a homo,it was from a blood trans.if god killed sinners none of us would be here.
i understand completely on that i still remember ryan white when the epidemic was 1st introduced he was treated like a leper tho he got it from a transfusion...hopefully they are =testing blood good these days....but still you have those homosexuals who know they have aids that sleep with as many people they can just for spite....what differance does it make to them they are gonna die anyway...im sorry about your friend and in no way did i imply that everyone who has aids is gay

[big john]

i understand completely on that i still remember ryan white when the epidemic was 1st introduced he was treated like a leper tho he got it from a transfusion...hgopefully they are =testing blood good these days....but still you have those homosexuals who know they have aids that sleep with as many people they can just for spite....what differance does it make to them they are gonna die anyway...im sorry about your friend and in no way did i imply that everyone who has aids is gayok,god is just,right?he wouldn't give some sinners a sickness and not others,what kind of sickness did god give you for your sins?
I dont have a sickness,that must mean I am sinnless.

[fredbear]

why was sodom and gomorrah destroyed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah we are going by the bible correct?

[big john]

why can't you answer the question,I was just trying to find out if you are sinless like I am.

[big john]

why was sodom and gomorrah destroyed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah we are going by the bible correct?
I thought god never changes,why is he using aids instead of fire now?

[fredbear]

theres only one person without sin...Jesus Christ

[big john]

theres only one person without sin...Jesus Christyou can read,right?Is parts of my posts not showing up?I have nothing else to say to you,I am used to people on here backing up things they say.You must be a young child.

[Conveyor Belt]

What I mean about the bible thumpers to dead homosexual ratio, is that the bible, your life instruction book, tells you to stone a man that lies with another man. If you don't do that, then you're committing a sin. Might as well ignore all the other instructions in your instruction book. I didn't know you got to pick and choose which commandments you were going to follow.

[fuzzis]

regardless it started with homosexuals whether its a curse or not only god knows...and again let me see the stats on this 40 and 50 year old women deal...if i offend any homosexuals on here im sorry...but the digestive system is for digesting not for procreating with

You are ignorant, which is no excuse for your offense.

http://www.kff.org/hivaids/upload/6092-03.pdf

If you look globally, the statistics are even more startling.

90% of infection world-wide is due to heterosexual infection.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/womenhiv.htm

[dollfus46]

You are ignorant, which is no excuse for your offense.

http://www.kff.org/hivaids/upload/6092-03.pdf

If you look globally, the statistics are even more startling.

90% of infection world-wide is due to heterosexual infection.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/womenhiv.htm

I think that statement could possibly be misleading. I'm not sure about your 90% but AIDS is a homosexual and drug related virus. Fact. It's rare for a non drug abusing heterosexual to contract the aids virus unless he/she has sex with a homosexual, a bisexual or someone infected because of needle sharing etc. do heterosexuals get aids? yes. But I happen to believe the heterosexual/aids scare was just that, to take the pressure and public outcry away from gays People were getting pretty angry at gays and to say "it's not just for gays anymore" was a well planned scheme to keep heterosexuals from turning on gays. I get leary of statistics. They can be used to back up about any argument. Even if 75% of all homosexuals worldwide were infected and 10% of all heterosexuals world wide were infected that could still show 90% of all infected were heterosexuals just by the vast difference in numbers of hets over homs worldwide.

[fuzzis]

dollfus...it's that attitude that allows people of all walks to think they are safe when they're not. AIDS is not just a gay disease.

And besides...does it really matter anyway? Really? Other than to continue to spread some ignorance and bigotry?

[SouthChic]

I thought this thread was about capital punishment. :smt102

[big john]

hey fuzz, ya know some things are too stupid to respond to,and is a waste of time.I mean ,if you were in a nuthouse and some old fart was trying to tell you the space people will be coming to get us all tonight,would it make sense to argue with that kind of foolishness?
Just smile and nod.lol

[big john]

I thought this thread was about capital punishment. :smt102see fuz,like this. :smt045

[big john]

What is the history of HIV/AIDS? How did HIV/AIDS start?

HIV is considered a new virus as no records of it exist in history or in dead bodies. Our best understanding of the origin of HIV is that it started in central Africa and started spreading, slowly at first, around 1930. The closest known virus to HIV is called SIVcpz and it is found in a certain species of chimpanzees in central Africa. This virus, SIVcpz, entered the human body by accident: these chimpanzees are hunted in a very bloody way and eaten raw or sometimes their blood is drunk by people. SIVcpz does not cause disease in humans, but it mutates (changes its structure) very rapidly. Unfortunately, it mutated to HIV in some human. This human then spread it to his/her sexual partners and they passed it on further. For many years HIV was limited to a small region of Africa, however, with the explosion in tourism, air travel, mobility of people, and many other factors that became common in the 1960s, the virus spread rapidly all over the world. Today, it is one of the worst nightmares for public health. As of May 2001 it has killed over 22 million people worldwide, 34 million are living with the infection and will die of it, and the dead have left behind 14 million orphans.

found this on the net.oh,capital punishment sin.

[big john]

http://www.huge-entity.com/blogger3/sex-bonobo-1.jpg

[big john]

I can't stop thinkin bout monkey sex.

http://www.nuttyhumor.com/pics/sexy-monkey.jpghello baaaaaaby

[big john]

sorry,back to capital punishment.

[EricStratton]

I can't stop thinkin bout monkey sex.

http://www.nuttyhumor.com/pics/sexy-monkey.jpghello baaaaaaby

Where did you get a picture of Coolio?