Why do the mods refer to hubbarister?

[Fish-Bait]

I see Ref's/Mod's refer to hubbarister sometimes and I read this tonight.."Repping yourself is not allowed. It defeats the purpose of the Rep system. (no sh&t sherlock). Ask hubbarister how that worked out for him.
I ask this question. If you are a Mod.-do you feel it's o.k. to use an old registered user as an example for everyone to look at/wonder about, especially if they are new to the site?

[TheKing]

fish-bait...thats actually quite a good question

i eagerly await the holier-than-thou, can do no wrong answer that will come from our mods.

[Conveyor Belt]

searching out hubbarrister should yield you some great results. Hubbarrister's history with MH is long and checkered, to say the least. He was a member's main user name, but somehow started branching out until new users wondered if the entire site was just hubbarrister having conversations with himself. He'd quote himself, reply to himself, rep himself, and when we had 'hubbucks', he'd donate money to himself to take advantage of the system and get the interest earned from the bank 8 times a day. It was this last act that was the straw that broke the camels back. Barrister was a member with rep in the hundreds, and it took a few days of everyone pounding away at him, but eventually, he was member banned. He's still around, posting under one of the aliases.

[Astra]

fish-bait...thats actually quite a good question

i eagerly await the holier-than-thou, can do no wrong answer that will come from our mods.
Geez, what did the mods do to tick you off? This place is insanely lenient compared to some of the other message boards I've seen.

Maybe it's not so obvious now, but when I first started coming here, Hubbarrister was EVERYWHERE, and so were his aliases. He was a poster everybody knew about, and then he went and used did something stupid that got him into major trouble. I guess as time goes by he becomes less well-known, but there's still a bunch of us for who "Don't do that, remember what happen to Hubba when he did it" works as a pretty good example.

I think his alias abuse is what trashed our council elections, too (the first attempt, before the one that used private messages to verify voters). I noticed there were a bunch of very old aliases coming out of the woodwork for that vote... kind of funny, considering he wasn't even in the running, but whatever.

[TheKing]

the mods have done absolutely nothing to me...in fact they seem to do a pretty good job

but my buddy fish-bait asked a damn good question that quite honestly...hes right...theres no reason for them to refer to hubba...at all..theres zero justification for it

and im quite sure their referring to him is totally innocent, theres no ill intent and quite honestly...not a big deal

so see if you can wrap your head around those 3 points existing together...no reason for it...no big deal...but still shouldn't have been done

now its my estimation...that in true leadership style...they will be no admission of wrongdoing...no apologies saying "ya know...youre probably right...sorry about that"....but there will be some sort of justification for it on their part...

thats just how things work when people get in positions of authority

[fuzzis]

Perhaps, though, there was a reason for it. BigJohn was around when the whole hubba fiasco happened. He would remember that. Maybe it was more meant for him than someone else without the context.

[jmb]

I see Ref's/Mod's refer to hubbarister sometimes and I read this tonight(no sh&t sherlock).
I ask this question. If you are a Mod.-do you feel it's o.k. to use an old registered user as an example for everyone to look at/wonder about, especially if they are new to the site?

I see both sides of it but he really did bring a lot of it on himself.

[Fish-Bait]

I have read the threads "the thread about hubbarister" and the poll on hubbarister leaving the sight. It seems to me alot of folks got mad at him because he was crafty (the hubbuck scheme) I have yet to read on his political views, but that's not the point. Do I need to go back and read those too? The thread I am really referring to is where bigjohn got banned/got onto--- for breaking the rules (repping himself). I am not wanting to start a bunch of B.S. with this. Nobody wants to really post on this thread, it's got about 70 views with only 6 replies so far.
Was hubbarister all that bad? It seems to me that alot was learned from him. Weird how he could just start a thread and it get 80 replies and he didn't ever post--(maybe under an alias?)
To me a moderator should just say something along the lines of "Hey, you crossed the line, stop." or something of the sort. I figured they were neutral in the situation. Now if they refer to a past/banned member it's sorta like " You are gonna end up like him/john doe or whoever". Almost like a slap in the face to me. Could it be I am just taking it out of context?
Again, I am not trying to stir up trouble, it's just a little strange or silly. How are we supposed to know or learn from it, (the hubbarrister remark made me go back and read for an hour). Just wondering. I really started this thread in hopes of someone remembering a similar situation that may have happened and could enlighten me a little better on how the mod/ref system works or any input on it at all will help.
Thanks,
Fish.

[just-Wynn]

Fish-Barrister! :police:

[Fish-Bait]

Fish-Barrister! :police:

Hehehe.....Good one!

[just-Wynn]

*Wynn sits across from Fish-Barrister in the small cinder block room with 2 metal chairs and a rickety table; raises his eye-brow* Now who are you Really??? *Wynn begins to hook up electrodes to dusty car battery*

[Fish-Bait]

*Wynn sits across from Fish-Barrister in the small cinder block room with 2 metal chairs and a rickety table; raises his eye-brow* Now who are you Really??? *Wynn begins to hook up electrodes to dusty car battery*
Alright somebody tell wynn I ain't no barrister...do you really want me to Macgyver out of this situation...all I need is a safety pin and a chewin' gum wrapper:) Put the jumper cables down big' un.

[just-Wynn]

http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/gov_photos/interrogation_GI.jpg

[Fish-Bait]

:)

[Fish-Bait]

FB- you make a valid point. In my opinion, a mod should do his/her best to remain neutral, and not let something said to him/her in their normal usernames, bias what they do or say has a Mod. There's really no need to re-hang one who has already been executed, in order to make a frightening point to another poster or the membership as a whole.

Again IMHO, the most effective tool of the Mod is to send the alledged offender a PM appealing to his/her good sense and better judgement. I've received this type of PM courtesy from a Mod before, and it's been effective when said PM was polite and not unduely threatening or obviously swayed by personal biases.

That, being said, the job of Moderator is not an enviable position. It can be a tough job trying to mediate between two or more posters who are popular and whom he may generally and equally have a friendly acquaintance. Like a judge can recuse himself when a friend, family or associate comes before the bench, prolly too should a Moderator in some cases, since we do have three (3) of them.
You say it alot better than I can. I am not tryin' to POlice here. I just didn't quite understand why references were made about Hubb. to bigjohn. It just struck me the wrong way.
I can tell that the hubb's. legacy is an extraordinary one though, that's for sure. Appreciate it Hawk
Fish

[BIGJOHN]

ok i keep saying i'm gone,i'll try to make this my last post,sue me.
the other day i was having trouble logging on under my name big john,so i made another name,BIGJOHN,TO LOG ON AND SEE IF SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH MY COMPUTER,i did not try to hide the fact that big john and BIGJOHN was the same person,ok,my big john started working again,so I thought,I don't need two names so I thought I would do a parody of hubb, but I was going to neg rep my own name off,big john was going to neg rep BIGJOHN,when i started to do this I acccidentally hit pos rep ,that caused the assholes to go haywire,before i could explain.

[Referee]

I will go ahead and respond to this, but I won't say anything else because I'm not going to argue with anyone over it.

The mods and admin have been accused of all sorts of things in the past. Being unfair, making up rules, censoring people's God given rights, etc.

I made a simple statement that repping yourself is not allowed, and as a reference so that I wouldn't be accused of making up rules I mentioned hubbarrister who was banned by the members themselves for doing the same exact thing. That's all it was, a statement and the reasoning behind it. I didn't take any action against big john at that time nor did I intend to, until he broke the terms of service by cursing and attacking a member. Most people didn't see that because his post was reported and I deleted it, as I've been instructed to do by the admin.

Anyone who disagrees with my actions is free to take it up with the admin.

[Fish-Bait]

I will go ahead and respond to this, but I won't say anything else because I'm not going to argue with anyone over it.

The mods and admin have been accused of all sorts of things in the past. Being unfair, making up rules, censoring people's God given rights, etc.

I made a simple statement that repping yourself is not allowed, and as a reference so that I wouldn't be accused of making up rules I mentioned hubbarrister who was banned by the members themselves for doing the same exact thing. That's all it was, a statement and the reasoning behind it. I didn't take any action against big john at that time nor did I intend to, until he broke the terms of service by cursing and attacking a member. Most people didn't see that because his post was reported and I deleted it, as I've been instructed to do by the admin.

Anyone who disagrees with my actions is free to take it up with the admin.
He was also banned 24 hrs. by a moderator during all of that...when he was deleting his post. Ref I know it's a simple statement. I am not accusing or anything of that sort. But you haven't given me an answer as to the "shouldn't they remain neutral" part. Now I didn't see the cursing/attacking post you speak of. I just wanted to know your reasoning behind it and maybe after you read my posts in this thread you would feel differently about referencing a member whether they be past or present.
That's all.
Fish

[BIGJOHN]

And, I heard a rumor of "Script" being used by admin to admonish/punish alledged offenders. My questions are (a) what is "script"?, (b) has admin used it as per rumor? (c) how destructive, if any, can it be to one's PC?

I can atest to being temporarily banned over a misunderstanding awhile back and it gave my PC Holy Hell, and I'm not talking about just the ability to access MH.(a)scripts cause communication failures (b)hell,yes)
(c)it can make it to where you have to take it to a shop to get it removed.and its a federal offence,get in touch with FCC if ya think I made that up.
yes it will mess your computer up.

[TheKing]

http://bani.anime.net/o_rly.jpg

[EricStratton]

FB- you make a valid point. In my opinion, a mod should do his/her best to remain neutral, and not let something said to him/her in their normal usernames, bias what they do or say has a Mod. There's really no need to re-hang one who has already been executed, in order to make a frightening point to another poster or the membership as a whole.

Again IMHO, the most effective tool of the Mod is to send the alledged offender a PM appealing to his/her good sense and better judgement. I've received this type of PM courtesy from a Mod before, and it's been effective when said PM was polite and not unduely threatening or obviously swayed by personal biases.

That, being said, the job of Moderator is not an enviable position. It can be a tough job trying to mediate between two or more posters who are popular and whom he may generally and equally have a friendly acquaintance. Like a judge can recuse himself when a friend, family or associate comes before the bench, prolly too should a Moderator in some cases, since we do have three (3) of them.

Good post. I had an incident, a good while back, where I had been in a bit of an arguement with a couple of other members. One of the members came back later, disguised as "The Ref", and made a semi-threat towards me that I won't go into great detail about and has since become "water under the bridge" as far as I'm concerned.

I'll be the first to admit, and I did, that I wasn't totally in the right during the whole situation. I sent a PM to a member in which I said some things that probably crossed the line. But, I sent this message via PM to avoid subjecting the entire forum to it. Had the member PM'd me back, under his/her member name and threatened me, I would not have been as upset. However, he/she used "The Ref" as a strong arm tactic and a disguise to avoid any reprimand.

This kind of thing, and I don't know if anyone else has ever experienced this, leads to the "me against the world" attitude that some members, including myself at times, bring to this forum. It gives the appearance that a few members/mods are "untouchable" while the rest of us must follow the rules in order to avoid banishment or punishment.

All that said to say this, I agree with Fish-Bait in the sense that "The Ref" referring to any member, past or present, in the public forum is wrong. It's one thing for a member, under a member name, to refer to hubbarrister or anyone else. It is another thing for the person(s) who is supposed to be the one unbiased and fair figure in the forum to use a member, past or present, as an example, especially knowing that said member is probably still active in the forum.

[Fish-Bait]

Y'all are going to make me invoke the Rodney King post again, aren't you...
Where can I find that at Doc?

[Fish-Bait]

Hmm...I guess not that many folks want to chat/talk/post about this. I guess it must be stupid.

[just-Wynn]

http://cityofangel.com/episodes/images2/shroud0.jpg

[Fish-Bait]

:)

[Conveyor Belt]

FB, I'm not sure if I speak for anyone else but myself on here... but...

There are a group of you, you know who you are, who love to push the boundaries as far as you can. Then, when you get in trouble, it's a big stink about big brother and infallible admin.

Me, I come here to share life experiences with others, make some connections with people, see what's going on in other's lives. I'll throw up the odd 'sex with a dead deer' thread every now and again, just because I think that sort of thing is funny, and from replies off board, some of you think it's funny, too. I don't tend to question authority. If I felt the way some of you post about the admin, I'd leave... I wouldn't question it, I'd just go away somewhere else. I've done it before. I'll do it again. IMO, you can't argue with the admin of a site. It's like trying to argue with a police officer. You're not going to win.

Maybe when something personally happens to me, I'll feel differently.

[Fish-Bait]

Whatever belt. I just wanted a simple answer and I would leave it alone. I have already made my case and said that I wasn't trying to stir up the pot. I don't go around and investigate other members either, that to me is stirring the pot. My point is (and it's rather easy to understand)-That if a ref or mod admin whatever, references something that happened to another member (in this case hubbarrister) Someone NEW to the site might find it awkward and may not want to post BECAUSE of SCRUTINY-i.e. referencing someone who has done something wrong or over the line (for fear of this same thing may happen to them). Thus me asking about neutrality.....
So far a few people agree with me. Are we not to give suggestions and ask questions?
Fish

[Fish-Bait]

You know,sometimes I feel like life is like golf.Boring,pointless,and expensive.I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one.Just had to share.
Yeah, and if you are in the woods and don't know how to navigate you just walk in a big circle.

[just-Wynn]

http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/3225/2367298370101269079S425x425Q85.jpg

[Fish-Bait]

Time to break out the secret weapon

[jmb]

Whatever belt. I just wanted a simple answer and I would leave it alone. I have already made my case and said that I wasn't trying to stir up the pot. I don't go around and investigate other members either, that to me is stirring the pot. My point is (and it's rather easy to understand)-That if a ref or mod admin whatever, references something that happened to another member (in this case hubbarrister) Someone NEW to the site might find it awkward and may not want to post BECAUSE of SCRUTINY-i.e. referencing someone who has done something wrong or over the line (for fear of this same thing may happen to them). Thus me asking about neutrality.....
So far a few people agree with me. Are we not to give suggestions and ask questions?
Fish


Fish-Bait, you're right, the mods should be neutral, but as to the hubba part of it, hubba is, in his own way, a legend around here. So whether you've been around long enough to have lived through it, heard about it, or have only heard it in reference, the name's going to come up. Kind of like outlaws and Jesse James.

[Conveyor Belt]

Fish-Bait, you're right, the mods should be neutral, but as to the hubba part of it, hubba is, in his own way, a legend around here. So whether you've been around long enough to have lived through it, heard about it, or have only heard it in reference, the name's going to come up. Kind of like outlaws and Jesse James.

Or Wynn, Dupree and Fairley... he is an institution unto himself...

BTW, fish, I do see your point. If it were anyone other than barrister, I'd probably agree with you, but you just had to live through the barrister time to really understand it.... there's more to it than the 'vote hubbarrister off the island, which was started by barrister, and if you'll look, his aliases are the one's that voted for him to stay... and noway, too, I think... but you know, we voted him out, and he still stayed around... he's probably lurking now, and will be posting in a few weeks or so... there are lots more threads without the word hubbarrister in the title that revolve around him...

[Fish-Bait]

Fish-Bait, you're right, the mods should be neutral, but as to the hubba part of it, hubba is, in his own way, a legend around here. So whether you've been around long enough to have lived through it, heard about it, or have only heard it in reference, the name's going to come up. Kind of like outlaws and Jesse James.
Thanks JMB, in the three or four threads I have read about barrister (which were the latter ones) I can tell that there was some hate/discontent and also some who liked him and his weird schemes/ideas or whatever you want to call it. I appreciate the input.
Fish

[just-Wynn]

Or Wynn, Dupree and Fairley... he is an institution unto himself... You talking about mere size or just politically?

[jmb]

Thanks JMB, in the three or four threads I have read about barrister (which were the latter ones) I can tell that there was some hate/discontent and also some who liked him and his weird schemes/ideas or whatever you want to call it. I appreciate the input.
Fish

FB, when it comes to hubba, you'll hear everything from good to bad but I had the pleasure of meeting him last summer when some of us got together for lunch. He may not be your average Joe but he was nothing but nice to me. He and I get along fine. But when it comes to some of his antics on here...lol So I'm not speaking with malice toward hubba, but he was quite imaginative in some of his shenanigans. Like CB said, you had to live through it. :)

[EricStratton]

FB, I'm not sure if I speak for anyone else but myself on here... but...

There are a group of you, you know who you are, who love to push the boundaries as far as you can. Then, when you get in trouble, it's a big stink about big brother and infallible admin.

Me, I come here to share life experiences with others, make some connections with people, see what's going on in other's lives. I'll throw up the odd 'sex with a dead deer' thread every now and again, just because I think that sort of thing is funny, and from replies off board, some of you think it's funny, too. I don't tend to question authority. If I felt the way some of you post about the admin, I'd leave... I wouldn't question it, I'd just go away somewhere else. I've done it before. I'll do it again. IMO, you can't argue with the admin of a site. It's like trying to argue with a police officer. You're not going to win.

Maybe when something personally happens to me, I'll feel differently.

CB,

Surprisingly, I agree with most of your post. I don't fight the law on here as much as I used to. I've just learned to ignore or stay away from a certain group of people, "and you know who you are".:)

However, I disagree with the whole administrators/police officer comparison. My earlier post on this thread had nothing to do with an administator or mod's power to make and enforce rules. My problem comes with the mod or "Ref" who misuses his/her authority. I'd question a police officer who misused his/her authority, too.