Crowd Beats Texas Man to Death after Car Strikes and Kills Child

[Pirate_129]

Police were searching Wednesday for more than a dozen people who may have been involved in the beating death of a man who was a passenger in a car that struck and injured a child not far from Austin, Texas's, Juneteenth celebration (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('Juneteenth celebration');).
David Rivas Morales (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('David Rivas Morales');) died Tuesday from injuries sustained in an assault by an unknown number of black men following the car accident, which occurred in the parking lot of an East Austin apartment complex, police said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284993,00.html

[cubby 1]

that's insane!

[ComputerDude]

David Rivas Morales (javascript:siteSearch('David Rivas Morales');) died Tuesday from injuries sustained in an assault by an unknown number of black men following the car accident,
What difference does it make if the people who did the beating were black or not?
Stupid Foxnews.

[Pirate_129]

I apologize for the ads that are showing up. I edited them out three times and they keep re-apperaing. I am only semi-literate at this. :smt118

[mac]

This is already in a thread titled "don't mess with Texas"

[Pirate_129]

My apologies. I scanned the existing threads and didn't realize that's what that thread was. Sorry :oops:

[SoMissTV]

Child wasn't killed. The thread title is wrong.

[Pirate_129]

Child wasn't killed. The thread title is wrong.

You are correct (isn't that what you like to hear). I posted a duplicate thread and misread the article. My multi-tasking sucks. Maybe a mod can delete this thread.

[fuzzis]

My multi-tasking sucks.

That's because you're not a woman. :smt118

[dollfus46]

What difference does it make if the people who did the beating were black or not?
Stupid Foxnews.

Now, now. I've had my meds today so let me just say, all the networks do it. It's not FoxNews alone. Sounds like you just don't like FoxNews.

That's because you're not a woman. :smt118

Heh heh heh. I saw that one coming. Fuzzis can't resist a set up. :)

[ComputerDude]

Now, now. I've had my meds today so let me just say, all the networks do it. It's not FoxNews alone. Sounds like you just don't like FoxNews.Sure they do. Find me similar quotes from the other news agencies and I'll call them stupid too. FoxNews just makes a habit of pointing out irrelevant facts.

[Pirate_129]

What if had been a klu klux klan rally and the crowd beat a black man to death? You think the media would have mentioned the mob was white?

Or if it was a hispanic immigration rights rally and the mob killed a white guy?

I tend to agree that you are overeacting because it's Fox.

[Pirate_129]

Upon further research, the Austin Police Departments press release on the death identified the suspects as "black males." This quote is taken directly from the USA Today:

"According to witnesses several black males assaulted Morales when he stepped out of the vehicle to try and stop the crowd from assaulting the driver," the Austin Police Department says in a press release (http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/police/downloads/06-20-07%20Murder.pdf). "It is believed there were 2,000 to 3,000 people who were in the area when the driver and Morales were attacked."

reference http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/06/austin_crowd_be.html

Perhaps it is a case of Fox and USA Today being willing to print the facts of a story rather than bowing to political corectness. You characterize the media outlets that reported the attackers as black as being racist. How is it wrong to report the facts as provided by the investigating agency. I would go so far as to say it is wrong to censor the facts based on some sense of moral superiority and race blindness. If your loved one had been assaulted by a subject or subjects and the violators weren't in jail, wouldn't you want the media to release all the facts they had to aid in the apprehension of them?

Just my take on it.

[ComputerDude]

What if had been a klu klux klan rally and the crowd beat a black man to death? You think the media would have mentioned the mob was white?Would they really have to? How many Mexican's are in the KKK?:smt118

Or if it was a hispanic immigration rights rally and the mob killed a white guy? Do those turn violent? I haven't followed immigration rallies.

I tend to agree that you are overeacting because it's Fox.Over-acting by calling FoxNews stupid? I'm not out in the street jumping up and down screaming "FOX NEWS IS STUPID!". I made an off-the-cuff comment at what I find to be an irrelevant fact. How is that overreacting?

[ComputerDude]

You characterize the media outlets that reported the attackers as black as being racist. Where did I say they were racists? Go back and read what I wrote and comment again.

I'll copy and paste it for you.
What difference does it make if the people who did the beating were black or not?
Stupid Foxnews.

I said the fact that the crowd that did the beating was black made no difference to the story. I never said it was a racist comment.

[Fish-Bait]

What difference does it make if the people who did the beating were black or not?
Stupid Foxnews.
Because it may be an actual fact?

[Pirate_129]

Would they really have to? How many Mexican's are in the KKK?:smt118

Do those turn violent? I haven't followed immigration rallies.

Over-acting by calling FoxNews stupid? I'm not out in the street jumping up and down screaming "FOX NEWS IS STUPID!". I made an off-the-cuff comment at what I find to be an irrelevant fact. How is that overreacting?

There are likely as many Hispanics in the KKK as attend Juneteenth rallies. :laugh:

Where did I say they were racists? Go back and read what I wrote and comment again.

I'll copy and paste it for you.


I said the fact that the crowd that did the beating was black made no difference to the story. I never said it was a racist comment.

You know exactly what you implied when you pointed out that Fox, a conservative news agency, described the attackers as "black." You can quible over the wording, but you know good and well you typcast Fox as being racist by pointing out the attackers were black.

The fact that the police were seeking aid from the public in identifying the attackers makes their race a very valid descriptor.

Hispanic immigration rallies get violent, just like crowds of mostly white college kids flip cars and burn them after their school wins a game and black people that have been to a Juneteenth rally can beat people to death.

My point is that Fox reported the news in the manner it was released by the Austin Police Department. They did not re-word it to satisfy the PC crowd.

I respect your view, but just as you may feel Fox included irrelevant facts, I feel other outlets, CNN for example, did the public a diservice by cutting out relevant facts to insure they didn't upset people that bristle at the mere mention of race issues.

PS - I'm still waiting on you to call the USA Today "stupid" as well. :smt118

[Ted]

I'm not responding to any particular post; just tacking this onto the current end of this thread.


Throughout all this, I've been wondering:

Where the hell were this four year old child's parents/guardian that she was able to get into the path of a moving vehicle???:confused:

[Pirate_129]

I'm not responding to any particular post; just tacking this onto the current end of this thread.


Throughout all this, I've been wondering:

Where the hell were this four year old child's parents/guardian that she was able to get into the path of a moving vehicle???:confused:

Very good point. Maybe the crowd should have been looking for the parents instead of the passenger in the vehicle.

[Ted]

. . . . . . Maybe the crowd should have been looking for the parents instead of the passenger in the vehicle.My thinking exactly, Pirate.
That's what precipitated the whole mess.

[ComputerDude]

There are likely as many Hispanics in the KKK as attend Juneteenth rallies. :laugh:



You know exactly what you implied when you pointed out that Fox, a conservative news agency, described the attackers as "black." You can quible over the wording, but you know good and well you typcast Fox as being racist by pointing out the attackers were black.

The fact that the police were seeking aid from the public in identifying the attackers makes their race a very valid descriptor.

Hispanic immigration rallies get violent, just like crowds of mostly white college kids flip cars and burn them after their school wins a game and black people that have been to a Juneteenth rally can beat people to death.

My point is that Fox reported the news in the manner it was released by the Austin Police Department. They did not re-word it to satisfy the PC crowd.

I respect your view, but just as you may feel Fox included irrelevant facts, I feel other outlets, CNN for example, did the public a diservice by cutting out relevant facts to insure they didn't upset people that bristle at the mere mention of race issues.

PS - I'm still waiting on you to call the USA Today "stupid" as well. :smt118

I'll call any news organization that feels the need to point out their skin color, stupid. Foxnews just happen to be the one that was originally quoted.

Tell me why the color of their skin makes a difference in the story.
David Rivas Morales (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:siteSearch%28%27David%20Rivas%20Morales%27%29 ;) died Tuesday from injuries sustained in an assault by an unknown number of black men following the car accident,David Rivas Morales (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:siteSearch%28%27David%20Rivas%20Morales%27%29 ;) died Tuesday from injuries sustained in an assault by an unknown number of men following the car accident,The story is the same. Adding the fact that the men are black is irrelevant. Sure I might have pigeon-holed Foxnews, but again I did it because they were part of the original quote. Just about all news agencies make it a point to include irrelevant facts in order to garner attention.

[Pirate_129]

I think the point was the Austin Police Department had asked for assistance in identifying the attackers in the press release. The color of one's skin is a descriptor that may have helped identify the violators. Fox, USA Today, and the other media outlets that described the attackers as black, drew that from the press release. By your logic, we should remove race descriptors from anything we do. That would be fine with me if it meant everyone was truly treated the same.

My point is political correctness is out of hand when we are at the point we automatically assume race is an unecessary fact and react negatively anytime it is used. But again, I respect your opinion and can understand your point of view.

[ComputerDude]

I think the point was the Austin Police Department had asked for assistance in identifying the attackers in the press release. The color of one's skin is a descriptor that may have helped identify the violators. Fox, USA Today, and the other media outlets that described the attackers as black, drew that from the press release. By your logic, we should remove race descriptors from anything we do. That would be fine with me if it meant everyone was truly treated the same.

My point is political correctness is out of hand when we are at the point we automatically assume race is an unecessary fact and react negatively anytime it is used. But again, I respect your opinion and can understand your point of view.My point really has nothing to do with political correctiveness. Personally I loathe the concept. I just didn't find that particular description necessary in the context of the story. Using it to describe one person to another, absolutely. If some one was trying to describe me I would imagine the first thing they'd say is the chunky guy with the beard. Not offensive at all (bastards), just the best and easiest description.
Why weren't the victims labeled as Hispanic? Last I checked, Morales wasn't a very Jewish name. ;)

[dollfus46]

I'll call any news organization that feels the need to point out their skin color, stupid. Foxnews just happen to be the one that was originally quoted.

Tell me why the color of their skin makes a difference in the story.
The story is the same. Adding the fact that the men are black is irrelevant. Sure I might have pigeon-holed Foxnews, but again I did it because they were part of the original quote. Just about all news agencies make it a point to include irrelevant facts in order to garner attention.

As a man I'm offended. They didn't have to mention that the attackers were men. I can tell, we're going to have fun. The mere fact that a crowd of people attacked is sufficient. Fact is the dude was attacked by humans as opposed to wild animals. Hardly a distinction in this case. But you took a shot at conservative Fox. Not conservative Fox and ultra liberal MSNBC, liberal CNN and liberal NBC and liberal CBS and left leaning ABC. Yeah, you MIGHT have pigeon holed Fox.

[dollfus46]

My point really has nothing to do with political correctiveness. Personally I loathe the concept. I just didn't find that particular description necessary in the context of the story. Using it to describe one person to another, absolutely. If some one was trying to describe me I would imagine the first thing they'd say is the chunky guy with the beard. Not offensive at all (bastards), just the best and easiest description.
Why weren't the victims labeled as Hispanic? Last I checked, Morales wasn't a very Jewish name. ;)
If it wasn't political correctness then there should be no problem. As a rule it's the blacks who demand the distinction of color. Not whites. Not conservatives.

I think you answered your own question as to why Mr. Morales was not identified as Hispanic. It's not Jewish nor Asian. That and the fact that his face was all over the tv news. I'm guessing if the attacker's name was Muhammad Ali they wouldn't have said anymore either. But, I see your point. Mine is, don't let the little things fire you up. There are more important battles to be fought. Some, even, we'll be on the same side.

[ComputerDude]

But you took a shot at conservative Fox. Not conservative Fox and ultra liberal MSNBC, liberal CNN and liberal NBC and liberal CBS and left leaning ABC. Yeah, you MIGHT have pigeon holed Fox.I took a shot at who was quoted in the first post. I wasn't singling them out of a list of news sources.

As a man I'm offended. They didn't have to mention that the attackers were men.Sarcasm works well.

Mine is, don't let the little things fire you up. There are more important battles to be fought.Why do you all think I'm "fired up"? I made a comment about why I thought the color of their skin was insignificant in the context of the story, and for some reason everybody thinks I'm in some rage and/over offended over it.

There are more important battles to be fought. Not fighting a battle. Not fighting anybody other then you all who think I'm enraged over this. ;)

[Pirate_129]

Why do you all think I'm "fired up"? I made a comment about why I thought the color of their skin was insignificant in the context of the story, and for some reason everybody thinks I'm in some rage and/over offended over it.

Not fighting a battle. Not fighting anybody other then you all who think I'm enraged over this. ;)

I don't think you're fired up per se. I think you took a shot at a conservative news outlet and tried to paint them as being racist because they included a factual statement. Had Fox reported something along the lines of " a hispanic was killed by a black and we all know blacks are killers," then I'd agree with you. However, merely making a mention of a factual description articulated in the police news release is not immaterial to the story unless you are rallying under the banner of extreme PC behavior. I agree with Doc that perhaps I should be offended because they described the attackers as men and are implying men are more prone to violent behavior than women. Maybe Texans should be upset they identified the attackers as being in Texas. That kind of thought can go on forever.

That is my only point and I assure you I'm not fighting anyone either. :clap:

[ComputerDude]

I don't think you're fired up per se. I think you took a shot at a conservative news outlet and tried to paint them as being racist because they included a factual statement. Like I said earlier, I don't think I insinuated they were racist. I just didn't think it was a necessary statement. Like if they said he was beaten by a gang of fat guys with bald heads.
:laugh:

[dollfus46]

Like if they said he was beaten by a gang of fat guys with bald heads.
:laugh:

First thing I'd think of was, damn, they've cloned ComputerDude.:smt118

[Pirate_129]

Like I said earlier, I don't think I insinuated they were racist. I just didn't think it was a necessary statement. Like if they said he was beaten by a gang of fat guys with bald heads.
:laugh:

If I misinterpreted your meaning, I apologize. But if he was beaten by a gang of fat guys with bald heads and the police were seeking the publics help in locating the attackers, I'd feel "bald, fat guys" would be an articulate and necessary statement. :-D

PS - I really enjoy finding people that, even when we disagree, keep the discussion to a respectable, understanding conversation and don't reduce it to finger pointing and name-calling. :clap:

[wilebill]

PS - I really enjoy finding people that, even when we disagree, keep the discussion to a respectable, understanding conversation and don't reduce it to finger pointing and name-calling. :clap:I just read this post, and I agree with you 1000%. There's really no good reason why it shouldn't and couldn't be otherwise.

[dollfus46]

I took a shot at who was quoted in the first post. I wasn't singling them out of a list of news sources.
Sure you were when you remarked earlier that "foxnews has a habit of doing that." Not that the Media has a habit of doing that. You have a problem with right leaning fox news and not the left leaning others, it appears here on "paper."
Sarcasm works well.
I was trying to make a point, but you're right. Rereading it, it did come off sarcastic. I apologize.
Why do you all think I'm "fired up"? I made a comment about why I thought the color of their skin was insignificant in the context of the story, and for some reason everybody thinks I'm in some rage and/over offended over it.
We have a different understanding of fired up. Rage is something altogether different.

Not fighting a battle. Not fighting anybody other then you all who think I'm enraged over this. ;)
Sheeesh. It's a figure of speech. I think you're over reacting all the way down the line. Ease up. No one is fighting with you. I see your initial point and it's valid. Pirate's is too. But when it comes down to a description of a perpretrator, skin color, eye color, hair color clothes color, all matter. I just questioned your banging on FoxNews. I happen to like FoxNews and don't care for the others. I took offense at your indirect way of saying I was stupid for liking FoxNews or that I'm not smart enough to realize that FoxNews is stupid. It's like you buying a new Ford and I say Fords suck. I'm saying you aren't smart enough to buy a good car. I may not have meant it that way, but you can sure take it that way.

[dollfus46]

First thing I'd think of was, damn, they've cloned ComputerDude.:smt118
You groaned me for this. Groans are fine. But Since you joked about yourself being chunky, I was merely taking your lead and joking back at you. Didn't mean to insult you.
ComputerDude Said: If some one was trying to describe me I would imagine the first thing they'd say is the chunky guy with the beard. Not offensive at all (bastards), just the best and easiest description.

[ComputerDude]

Sheeesh. It's a figure of speech. I think you're over reacting all the way down the line. Ease up. Ease up? Again, I'm not at all coming off as defensive in my opinion. I've added the necessary smilies where I might sound heavy just so my demeanor isn't misinterpreted.

I just questioned your banging on FoxNews. I happen to like FoxNews and don't care for the others. I took offense at your indirect way of saying I was stupid for liking FoxNews or that I'm not smart enough to realize that FoxNews is stupid. Honestly how could you get this from my off-the-cuff remark about Foxnews? It's unfortunate you took it that way because it was in no way how I meant it. I occasionally watch Foxnews because I find them entertaining. Fox and Friends in the morning is more entertainment then real journalism (IMO)