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fuzzis
07-23-2007, 01:51 PM
I finally finished reading this article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22juvenile-t.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087%0A&em&en=94d997992d4d5456&ex=1185336000) (it's quite long, but worth the read, imo).

I did not know that juveniles were eligible for listing on sex offender registries. Something strikes me as extremely wrong with that.

...At least 25 states now apply Megan’s Law, also known as a community-notification law, to juveniles, according to a recent survey by Brenda V. Smith, a law professor and the director of the National Institute of Corrections Project on Addressing Prison Rape at American University’s Washington College of Law. That means on many state sex-offender Web sites, you can find juveniles’ photos, names and addresses, and in some cases their birth dates and maps to their homes, alongside those of pedophiles and adult rapists.

Now that concept has reached the federal level. In May, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales proposed guidelines for the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, named for a 6-year-old boy (and son of John Walsh, the host of TV’s “America’s Most Wanted”) abducted from a Florida store and murdered in 1981. Among other things, the legislation, sponsored by Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., a Wisconsin Republican, and signed into law by President Bush last year, creates a federal Internet registry that will allow law enforcement and the public to more effectively track convicted sex offenders — including juveniles 14 and older who engage in genital, anal or oral-genital contact with children younger than 12. Within the next two years, states that have excluded adolescents from community-notification laws may no longer be able to do so without losing federal money....

...Under the Adam Walsh Act, a 35-year-old who has a history of repeatedly raping young girls will be eligible for the public registry, and so will a 14-year-old boy adjudicated as a sex offender for touching an 11-year-old girl’s vagina. According to the law, the teenager will remain on the national registry for life. He will have to register with authorities every three months. And if he fails to do so — not an unlikely prospect for some teenagers, especially those without involved parents — he may be imprisoned for more than one year.

Also, under the proposed guidelines issued by the attorney general’s office in May, the law is retroactive: hundreds of juveniles who are on probation for sex offenses that preceded the law could be eligible for the nationwide registry. Regardless, the Adam Walsh Act sets only the minimum guidelines; many states will retain their own, more stringent community-notification laws for juveniles. Already the Juvenile Law Center in Philadelphia and other organizations are considering challenges to the law based on, among other things, the fact that juveniles are subject to the same registration requirements as adults without the benefit of a jury trial or similar protections....

I'm all for locking folks up and throwing away the key when it comes to pedophilia and child sex predators, but I don't think that most juveniles fit that pattern. With recidivism rates of less than 10%, I think that there might be much more harm done than good.

I understand why we have one-size fits all approaches, but I can't help but feel like maybe we need to take a deep breath and really consider what it is we're doing and why we're doing it.

dollfus46
07-23-2007, 02:19 PM
I finally finished reading this article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22juvenile-t.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087%0A&em&en=94d997992d4d5456&ex=1185336000) (it's quite long, but worth the read, imo).

I did not know that juveniles were eligible for listing on sex offender registries. Something strikes me as extremely wrong with that.



I'm all for locking folks up and throwing away the key when it comes to pedophilia and child sex predators, but I don't think that most juveniles fit that pattern. With recidivism rates of less than 10%, I think that there might be much more harm done than good.

I understand why we have one-size fits all approaches, but I can't help but feel like maybe we need to take a deep breath and really consider what it is we're doing and why we're doing it.

I agree, Fuzzis. Seems to me juveniles' names aren't given out for other crimes for a reason. Kids 14 years old are just beginning to experiment with their new found sexuality. Seems more normal than unnatural at that age. JMAO.:smt105

wilebill
07-23-2007, 06:15 PM
Wouldn't listing a juvenile's name, address and phone number on the internet as a sex offender open them up to adult sex offenders looking for someone vulnerable? How much sympathy would a juvenile offender get if he/she were to report a crime against them by an adult who found their name on the internet?

Somebody didn't think this thing through all the way.

fuzzis
07-23-2007, 07:13 PM
The article talks about a bunch of stuff outside of the publication of names, photos and addresses of juvenile offenders--like "therapy" methods, and I just can't help but think that if we want to make things even worse, we're doing a very good job of it. We make these kids identify as sexual offenders instead of kids who made a mistake.

I certainly don't mean to minimize what the kids have done because some of them certainly are on the path to being dangerous and intent doesn't necessarily change the damage that can be done. But it seems like we're smart enough and advanced enough to realize, as the article says towards the end, that when we marginalize these kids--when we make it difficult for them to go to school and exist in our society, we're creating a situation where they might have few options. Few options can translate into other criminal behavior.

Just seems a little crazy to me.

Guru
07-23-2007, 07:22 PM
If you look into this further you will find some other very shocking facts. I could be wrong but with the rising rate of juvenile gang rapes, etc. that may have spurred some of this. Like I said, I'm not sure, but you hear it more often, especially around larger metropolitan areas.

fuzzis
07-23-2007, 07:27 PM
If you look into this further you will find some other very shocking facts. I could be wrong but with the rising rate of juvenile gang rapes, etc. that may have spurred some of this. Like I said, I'm not sure, but you hear it more often, especially around larger metropolitan areas.

Seriously? I find that hard to believe.

Guru
07-23-2007, 07:30 PM
Do you think I would lie about something like that?

fuzzis
07-23-2007, 07:38 PM
Do you think I would lie about something like that?

It just strikes me like one of those urban legends, like a woman on another board that I post on totally and completely believing that in Atlanta roving gangs of black men look for white women to rape. She believed it, cited a doc from the government that showed rates of assault, etc. The only problem was that her citation proved exactly the opposite; she didn't know how to read the statistics. Even so, she wouldn't let go of the idea that it was unsafe for her to leave her house without her husband.

It just seems like we're all to willing to point out the things our kids do that are wrong as evidence of society going to hell in a handbasket...that there would have been more said about such a thing if it were in fact happening.

I think there's a lot of hysteria surrounding what kids do and don't do because many people are afraid to actually talk openly and honestly about it. Experimentation in basements turns into something else entirely because there has to be a reason for it, etc.

Guru
07-23-2007, 07:50 PM
Like I said, I'm not totally sure and it's not my plight in life to be on the dime with every statistic unless I'm talking about something that may excite me. It's just what I have read and heard. As a more cement type reference I have watched more news broadcasts in New Orleans that I care to remember mentioning what happened, who is being sought, whose kid they are, which house the other kid lived in, what neighborhoods, city officials taking camera time to tell everyone how they are going to fix it.