Should Senator Craig lose his positions and his title

[dollfus46]

That's the question posed here.

[IGID]

Yes, I do, but not because he's gay, because he's lying about it. The news is reporting that they expect him to resign today.

[daisy]

Yes, I do, but not because he's gay, because he's lying about it. The news is reporting that they expect him to resign today.

How do we know who is really lying? Maybe, someone paid the cop to lie and set the guy up.

I find it all strange. What Craig sticks his hand and his foot under a stall for a gay sign? I don't get it.:confused:

[ComputerDude]

I find it all strange. What Craig sticks his hand and his foot under a stall for a gay sign? I don't get it.:confused:From what I read it wasn't so much a sign that he's gay, it was a signal that he wanted some gay lovin'.

[IGID]

How do we know who is really lying? Maybe, someone paid the cop to lie and set the guy up.

I find it all strange. What Craig sticks his hand and his foot under a stall for a gay sign? I don't get it.:confused:Why did he plead guilty then if the cop was setting him up?

[Bahlk]

That's what I'm thinking...I know if I didn't do something and there was a way to prove that I didn't do, I'll be damned if I'm going to plead guilty

[Guru]

Maybe I missed something on this? There are a lot of gay folks everywhere, not that there is anything wrong with it but not the way I roll, so what exactly did he do? Made some kind of sign that said he was open to something that somebody else could turn down? Didn't press himself or his views on anybody?
At the extreme he might have been a man caught in a woman's body (or something like that) but what crime did he commit other than being embarrassed at what happened and didn't at first know how to admit it?

signed,
"All man, all the time"

[ComputerDude]

Maybe I missed something on this? There are a lot of gay folks everywhere, not that there is anything wrong with it but not the way I roll, so what exactly did he do? Made some kind of sign that said he was open to something that somebody else could turn down? Didn't press himself or his views on anybody?
At the extreme he might have been a man caught in a woman's body (or something like that) but what crime did he commit other than being embarrassed at what happened and didn't at first know how to admit it?

signed,
"All man, all the time"He solicited an undercover police offer for sex in a public place.

[Guru]

Did he offer him money or something?

[Augustus McRae]

That's the question posed here.

Am fighting hard to resist the temptation of responding about Senator Craig and "positions"....

[Bluesman]

I don't know about his positions or if anyone will call him Big Papa when they back that thing up but I do know I wouldn't want a bathroom banger representing me whether it was homersexual acts, heterosexual acts, or self gratification acts... It all is disgusting... GET A FREAKING HOTEL ROOM YOU PERVERT!

[Sister Golden Hair]

I think he should resign!

[dollfus46]

Surely with 5,000 gazillion members on MH we have more opinions than three or four.:confused:

[Sister Golden Hair]

I can't believe his wife stood beside him in the press conference he did. I will never understand why the political wives stand by their man after such damning evidence that he has sex with men. I almost added "poor woman", but I am not sure I pity her.
He disgust me.

[amanda]

How do we know who is really lying? Maybe, someone paid the cop to lie and set the guy up.

I find it all strange. What Craig sticks his hand and his foot under a stall for a gay sign? I don't get it.:confused:

That's what I'm thinking...I know if I didn't do something and there was a way to prove that I didn't do, I'll be damned if I'm going to plead guilty

Maybe I missed something on this? There are a lot of gay folks everywhere, not that there is anything wrong with it but not the way I roll, so what exactly did he do? Made some kind of sign that said he was open to something that somebody else could turn down? Didn't press himself or his views on anybody?
At the extreme he might have been a man caught in a woman's body (or something like that) but what crime did he commit other than being embarrassed at what happened and didn't at first know how to admit it?

signed,
"All man, all the time"


From all the stories I've heard, apparently this was an undercover sting operation. There seems to be "places" in airports, hotels, etc., that homosexual prostitutes frequent to pick up "johns", which includes ways/signs/signals to indicate you are interested in such services.

Senator Craig, in the statement provided by the officer, stared through the stall door long enough that he could assertain his eye color; went into the stall next to his where he tapped his foot and couple of times; and reached under the stall in a further display/sign of what he wanted. At that point, the undercover officer slid his badge under the door and told him he was under arrest.

The Senator in his publicized statement a couple of days ago stated that he pled guilty to "keep things quite" but now recants his guilty plea since the incident has been made public.

Haha!! Yeah, I think he should lose his job. One more out of office is a very good thing. IMO.

:)

[ComputerDude]

Has he quit yet?

[mi_nombre_es]

What's this damning evidence? he flashed gang-gay signs at the undercover cop in the bathroom? Big deal, he might not have realized what he was doing was the sign for "gay lovin". I just have a hard time (espically after listening to part of the transcript of the tape) believing this is NOT a setup. First off, Why would he be soliciting people in the bathroom? Second off, to stick him on a soliciting charge, there needs to be more evidence than the cop's word (again this is why I think it is a setup). Back a few weeks ago, when the HPD attacked Hwy 42 with their own sting operation, had they arrested people who they thought were interested in the hookers, half the male population and some of the females in Hattiesburg would be in jail at this moment! The PD needed witnesses (other than the undercover) and the ever incriminating compensation for said acts! Does this under"stall" cop have the compensation in his hand or is he just telling us what he wants to hear! I WANT MORE PROOF!

Someone said "Well it must be true because he pleaded gulity". Logically, it makes more sense to plead gulity to it to save a long term polictial embrassment (The american public has the attention span of kids with ADHD and a horrible memory). Look at Bill Clinton, he got full service in the oval office, Kenneth Star wanted his go-nads and it was a long time embrassment for the Clinton family. If this senator claims he is being rail-roaded, it's just another lawmaker trying to pull down the police. Since he is such a public figure, whether what the cop says is true or not, he lost this battle already. Time to plead gulity, move on to the next thing because it's a pure losing battle.

in closing, I think the cop is full of shit. If you listen to the transcript, he tells the senator ...."I think your lying, I know what I saw!".....Druggies see stuff when they are high, doesn't mean that purple pirate ships and pink elephants will materialize out of thin air and become reality. I think this is a setup if there ever was one. This senator has pissed off the wrong people.


Please post me links to updated information, I'm just going on what I've seen on CNN lol If I'm wrong in my opinion, I'll revise it after I get more info -- Editted cuz some people think i'm an idiot

[Sister Golden Hair]

you gotta be kidding mi nobre es-

[Sister Golden Hair]

Someone said "Well it must be true because he pleaded gulity". Logically, it makes more sense to plead gulity to it to save a long term polictial embrassment (The american public has the attention span of kids with ADHD and a horrible memory). Look at Bill Clinton, he got full service in the oval office, Kenneth Star wanted his go-nads and it was a long time embrassment for the Clinton family. If this senator claims he is being rail-roaded, it's just another lawmaker trying to pull down the police. Since he is such a public figure, whether what the cop says is true or not, he lost this battle already. Time to plead gulity, move on to the next thing because it's a pure losing battle.

in closing, I think the cop is full of shit. If you listen to the transcript, he tells the senator ...."I think your lying, I know what I saw!".....Druggies see stuff when they are high, doesn't mean that purple pirate ships and pink elephants will materialize out of thin air and become reality. I think this is a setup if there ever was one. This senator has pissed off the wrong people.


Please post me links to updated information, I'm just going on what I've seen on CNN lol If I'm wrong in my opinion, I'll revise it after I get more info -- Editted cuz some people think i'm an idiot

Once again- I am speechless.

[dollfus46]

I can't believe his wife stood beside him in the press conference he did. I will never understand why the political wives stand by their man after such damning evidence that he has sex with men. I almost added "poor woman", but I am not sure I pity her.
He disgust me.
Money talks I guess, Flowergirl. I can't imagine either. How humiliating.

[dollfus46]

Has he quit yet?

He will. The Republicans will see to it You think they should?

[Guru]

I don't know ....... if you look through the crack long enough to "see the color of somebodies eyes" .............................
Sounds kind of incriminating to me. But, more wicked things have happened in the political world.
I'm just a tractor driver.

[IGID]

I don't know ....... if you look through the crack long enough to "see the color of somebodies eyes" .............................
Sounds kind of incriminating to me. But, more wicked things have happened in the political world.
I'm just a tractor driver.I agree. Slick Willie got blown in the Oval Office and lied about it before finally coming clean and he survived.

[ComputerDude]

I agree. Slick Willie got blown in the Oval Office and lied about it before finally coming clean and he survived.Yeah and Bush has gotten a bunch of innocent service men and women killed on a lie, and he's still in office.

[Ted]

I can't believe his wife stood beside him in the press conference he did. I will never understand why the political wives stand by their man after such damning evidence that he has sex with men. I almost added "poor woman", but I am not sure I pity her.
He disgust me.I donno either.
It may have become a 'marriage of convenience' and she is fond of the wealth and status - and that he is 'bothering' someone else and not her.

[fuzzis]

I agree. Slick Willie got blown in the Oval Office and lied about it before finally coming clean and he survived.

Yeah, but the difference is that he lied about getting blown by a WOMAN. Had he been lying about getting blown by a MAN...:kekeke:

[dollfus46]

Yeah and Bush has gotten a bunch of innocent service men and women killed on a lie, and he's still in office.

:offtopic:

[ComputerDude]

:offtopic:Hey I was just responding to igid's off-topic post. ;)

[IGID]

Hey I was just responding to igid's off-topic post. ;)I think the topic is about a politician that lies to the police, like Clinton did, and whether or not he should quit, like Clinton should have, and whether or not he can survive in politics, like Clinton did, unfortunately. Obviously, you're family isn't Iraqi or Kurdish so who cares what Saddam did.

[jkspatty]

I can't believe his wife stood beside him in the press conference he did. I will never understand why the political wives stand by their man after such damning evidence that he has sex with men. I almost added "poor woman", but I am not sure I pity her.
He disgust me.


He probably told his wife that he didn't do it, and she believes him, happens ALL the time......

[Guru]

I donno either.
It may have become a 'marriage of convenience' and she is fond of the wealth and status - and that he is 'bothering' someone else and not her.

* Can you say "fag hag"?

[fuzzis]

I donno either.
It may have become a 'marriage of convenience' and she is fond of the wealth and status - and that he is 'bothering' someone else and not her.

I try really hard not to judge other people's relationships because we never know what kinds of bargains they make when they get married. We like to think that marriage is supposed to be about love, but the longer I live, the more I realize that it's often about a whole host of other things...like fear and money and power and companionship.

[EricStratton]

I try really hard not to judge other people's relationships because we never know what kinds of bargains they make when they get married. We like to think that marriage is supposed to be about love, but the longer I live, the more I realize that it's often about a whole host of other things...like fear and money and power and companionship.

Or.....like me, some people just need someone to cook and clean and perform all of those other female duties.......:smt118

"Cause I'm a hard-workin' man.....I wear steel hard hat....I can ride, rope...hammer and paint....do things with my hands that most men can't.....I'm a hard.....hard-workin' man!"

[dollfus46]

Question has nothing to do with whether he lied or how his wife feels about it. He solicited sex in an airport bathroom from an undercover cop who is trying to protect people from such in public bathrooms. Should Craig resign his Senate seat? Or just his chairmanships, or be censored. Has nothing to do with Iraq for god's sake.

[virgo]

Looks like he just resigned. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070901/ap_on_go_co/craig_arrest)

[fuzzis]

The thing that intrigues me about this is that he was arrested on June 11. It was kept quiet for over two months. Pleading guilty almost did make the whole thing away...and I imagine that as every day passed he thought he was going to suffer limited consequences.

I don't know if he should have resigned. I don't get tied up in knots about the choices that other people make with regard to their sexuality. If the rest of the country didn't get so in a twist about it, perhaps he wouldn't have been soliciting anonymous sex in a men's room. Then again, maybe not...maybe the anonymous sex is part of it. I dunno.

[fuzzis]

So....now apparently Senator Craig isn't going to resign (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/05/craig/index.html)? What the hell is this man thinking?

[wilebill]

He doesn't want to lose his spot on the Singing Senators (http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/04/35525). Those were some party animals!

[omie2]

After hearing the tapes on CNN I think he might have been railroaded. Of course I don't know much about police interrogation methods (and hope I never learn).

[fuzzis]

After hearing the tapes on CNN I think he might have been railroaded. Of course I don't know much about police interrogation methods (and hope I never learn).

The man's a lawyer. If he got railroaded, it's because he chose to get railroaded. He didn't have to plead guilty to anything.

[omie2]

Don't see why anyone would choose to be railroaded. Oh well, I tend to keep looking at both sides of a story and rarely get around to making up my mind which side I believe!

[fuzzis]

Don't see why anyone would choose to be railroaded. Oh well, I tend to keep looking at both sides of a story and rarely get around to making up my mind which side I believe!

I don't see why he would choose it either, but by pleading guilty, that is surely what he did.

There's been some interesting stuff in the last couple of days about the whole subculture of the bathroom pick-up (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/opinion/02macdonald.html).

[XC9]

I'm sorry, but if I am using a public restroom and someone starts sticking anything under my stall, you are going to lose it. If you want to do things like this, do it in the privacy of your home or hotel. I find this to be disgusting. Go to a dang bar and pick-up whatever it is you want-man or woman. I also will be dam/ed if I would plead guilty to something I didn't do. He pled hoping it would all go away. WHOOPS, it didn't. This really makes me wonder just what we actually have in our government. Maybe they should all resign and go home to their closets.

[ComputerDude]

Okay so he's quitting again.
Story (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6901289,00.html)

[amanda]

He'll probably change his mind again. Say someone railroaded him into quiting. Who knows, I just don't believe anything coming out of his mouth at this point.

[dollfus46]

amandah agrees: +16; Amen! Get rid of the suckers! Either fess up that you were wrong and take responsibility for it - or get out.

Well, my problem is I'm seeing a huge double standard applied depending on which party you belong to. Should his sexual preference or where he solicited it matter if it doesn't effect his ability to carry out his function as Senator from Idaho? Is soliciting gay sex worse than soliciting straight sex? Is soliciting it in a restroom worse than soliciting it in the White House? Does it matter if you solicit it from an adult or a young page? Is there a difference in asking and actually doing? At what point do we say "NO" we as a country don't want you in the Senate, Congress, White House because we reject your bad/illegal behavior, and that behavior begins at such and such a point? Or do we just not care, as long it doesn't effect how they perform the duties they were sent to accomplish? Or do we look the other way if it's our political party or our power that is in question, or call "foul" only if it will help besmirch the opposing party?
We need to come together as a people and demand a certain level of moral behavior from our government, period, and quit being the power-mongers we seem to have become.

[amanda]

amandah agrees: +16; Amen! Get rid of the suckers! Either fess up that you were wrong and take responsibility for it - or get out.

Well, my problem is I'm seeing a huge double standard applied depending on which party you belong to. Should his sexual preference or where he solicited it matter if it doesn't effect his ability to carry out his function as Senator from Idaho? Is soliciting gay sex worse than soliciting straight sex? Is soliciting it in a restroom worse than soliciting it in the White House? Does it matter if you solicit it from an adult or a young page? Is there a difference in asking and actually doing? At what point do we say "NO" we as a country don't want you in the Senate, Congress, White House because we reject your bad/illegal behavior, and that behavior begins at such and such a point? Or do we just not care, as long it doesn't effect how they perform the duties they were sent to accomplish? Or do we look the other way if it's our political party or our power that is in question, or call "foul" only if it will help besmirch the opposing party?
We need to come together as a people and demand a certain level of moral behavior from our government, period, and quit being the power-mongers we seem to have become.


Are you picking at me? :-D

Okay, I'll bite. I don't care if he is gay or not. If he is, then he should come out of the closet and just be gay. Do I think he or any other member of congress should solicit sex (straight or otherwise) from someone? Truthfully, could really care less. What I do care about is the blatant lies, half-truths, or underhandness. Double standard? Yeah. There has been a BIG double standard going on for a LONG time. Did Senator Craig chime in when Clinton was being impeached? I know Vitter did and considering he was paying for sex and spouting off "family values" - I think that is a double standard, yet he didn't have to resign his seat. Now if he would have been charged, pled guilty, then after having it get into the media declare he was innocent and railroaded - I say out he should go.

I guess the biggest chuckle I get from Craig's problems is that he is now saying he wasn't guilty, although he pled guilty. I know more than one person here has said what I am about to -- but if I KNEW I was INNOCENT then I would fight through any court in the country to prove it. Maybe his best course of action would have been to proclaim he had found God while he was going through this horrible ordeal, that his wife has forgiven him, and gone into treatment for 30 days. :laugh:

[Astra]

The issue is that he ran on a platform preaching family values and has reacted negatively toward homosexuality in the past, yet he got busted soliciting a guy in a bathroom. I don't think people would be so eager to see him crash and burn for this if it wasn't for the extreme level of hypocrisy. I also think that is why the reaction tends to be harsher when very conservative politicians get busted (Example: Vitter) because they are so much more likely to have campaigned on moral issues.

I really don't care much what (or who) a politician does in their private life, but condemning actions in public while engaging in them in private shows a serious lack of integrity to me.

EDIT: Yeah, what Amandah said :)

[amanda]

The issue is that he ran on a platform preaching family values and has reacted negatively toward homosexuality in the past, yet he got busted soliciting a guy in a bathroom. I don't think people would be so eager to see him crash and burn for this if it wasn't for the extreme level of hypocrisy. I also think that is why the reaction tends to be harsher when very conservative politicians get busted (Example: Vitter) because they are so much more likely to have campaigned on moral issues.

I really don't care much what (or who) a politician does in their private life, but condemning actions in public while engaging in them in private shows a serious lack of integrity to me.

EDIT: Yeah, what Amandah said :)


LOL! Great minds! :bowrofl: Your's was shorter though. :smt118

[Fish-Bait]

So, do you all think he's gay?

[amanda]

So, do you all think he's gay?


Personally, don't have a clue. Don't care regardless if he is or not gay, bi-sexual, experimenting, or whatever. I'm sure there are several more on capitol hill that haven't come out of the closet yet, and I don't care if they are either. As long as they aren't being hypocrites about it. It's that adage of making sure your own house is in order.

[SueScribe]

Don't see why anyone would choose to be railroaded. Oh well, I tend to keep looking at both sides of a story and rarely get around to making up my mind which side I believe!

"Railroaded" is a term that, oddly enough, originated on the railroad - the early early railroad. It's a term that meant "management was out to get me . .[when I split that switch or ran over the limit in the yard, or failed to show up when the Caller called, etc. etc. etc.]

Just thought ya'll might want a little railroad lore tossed into the mix about the senator's misfortune, i.e., that he hit on an undercover plant in a public restroom.

I will admit, it would have been a hoot to have been a fly on the proverbial poophouse wall that day, when Senator Craig flashed his finger signals under the stall, only to have a badge flapped open under the stall partition in response. :smt118 THAT is a visual that keeps on ticking, is it not? :smt118

[SueScribe]

Personally, don't have a clue. Don't care regardless if he is or not gay, bi-sexual, experimenting, or whatever. I'm sure there are several more on capitol hill that haven't come out of the closet yet, and I don't care if they are either. As long as they aren't being hypocrites about it. It's that adage of making sure your own house is in order.

:clap:

[dollfus46]

Are you picking at me? :-D

Okay, I'll bite. I don't care if he is gay or not. If he is, then he should come out of the closet and just be gay. Do I think he or any other member of congress should solicit sex (straight or otherwise) from someone? Truthfully, could really care less. What I do care about is the blatant lies, half-truths, or underhandness. Double standard? Yeah. There has been a BIG double standard going on for a LONG time. Did Senator Craig chime in when Clinton was being impeached? I know Vitter did and considering he was paying for sex and spouting off "family values" - I think that is a double standard, yet he didn't have to resign his seat. Now if he would have been charged, pled guilty, then after having it get into the media declare he was innocent and railroaded - I say out he should go.

I guess the biggest chuckle I get from Craig's problems is that he is now saying he wasn't guilty, although he pled guilty. I know more than one person here has said what I am about to -- but if I KNEW I was INNOCENT then I would fight through any court in the country to prove it. Maybe his best course of action would have been to proclaim he had found God while he was going through this horrible ordeal, that his wife has forgiven him, and gone into treatment for 30 days. :laugh:

No, I'm not picking on you. I highlighted your statement because It has merit and I wanted to expand upon it. We spend soooooo much of taxpayers money and take up sooooo much time on the news with stuff that doesn't deserve nearly the time and money we apply to it. This Gottcha crap from both sides is childish. So lets set the guidelines for expulsion and press on to the economy, closing our borders, getting out of Iraq, for goodness sakes.
But I do think the comparison to Clinton's impeachment was an apples to oranges comparison. Clinton wasn't impeached for playing hide the weasel. He was impeached for what Scooter Libby was sentenced to prison for doing. He was disbarred for what Scooter Libby was convicted of doing and he made millions with a book about it. But Mr. Clinton did, look the country in the eye and deny he did what he did, didn't he?.

The issue is that he ran on a platform preaching family values and has reacted negatively toward homosexuality in the past, yet he got busted soliciting a guy in a bathroom. I don't think people would be so eager to see him crash and burn for this if it wasn't for the extreme level of hypocrisy. I also think that is why the reaction tends to be harsher when very conservative politicians get busted (Example: Vitter) because they are so much more likely to have campaigned on moral issues.

I really don't care much what (or who) a politician does in their private life, but condemning actions in public while engaging in them in private shows a serious lack of integrity to me.

EDIT: Yeah, what Amandah said :)
What?! You mean we have someone of questionable character, who talks out of both sides of his/her mouth that has infiltrated the pure as a new fallen snow, halls of our government? EGADS! GADZOOKS even!
But once again, that, in fact, isn't the issue at all. I'm pretty sure they didn't set up a sting to catch him breaking his campaign promises.:laugh:

[SueScribe]

How come we're back to discussing the sexual proclivities and piccadillos of a politician? It seems to me that sexual orientation is a non-issue, when you ponder the larger - grander - surround-sound picture. Humm? Just maybe?

The senator got caught with his pants down, quite literally. I've seen the senator, very briefly, on the telly. I wouldn't want to see him with his pants down. Don't want to hear about his pants, or what's in them, or who.

I'd simply be satisfied if our great nation got on with its real business at hand - or in hand. By hand. Oh. I'm too tired to be talking about this. A hand job. That's what the country needs. A hand job.

[Astra]

Personally, don't have a clue. Don't care regardless if he is or not gay, bi-sexual, experimenting, or whatever. I'm sure there are several more on capitol hill that haven't come out of the closet yet, and I don't care if they are either. As long as they aren't being hypocrites about it. It's that adage of making sure your own house is in order.
Again, what she said.

Amandah, you really need to stop crawling around in my head.

[Fish-Bait]

How come we're back to discussing the sexual proclivities and piccadillos of a politician? It seems to me that sexual orientation is a non-issue, when you ponder the larger - grander - surround-sound picture. Humm? Just maybe?

The senator got caught with his pants down, quite literally. I've seen the senator, very briefly, on the telly. I wouldn't want to see him with his pants down. Don't want to hear about his pants, or what's in them, or who.

I'd simply be satisfied if our great nation got on with its real business at hand - or in hand. By hand. Oh. I'm too tired to be talking about this. A hand job. That's what the country needs. A hand job.

O.K. Sue, wow. I really enjoyed that post. I am just chucklin':laugh:!


Now, Everybody Spit at ONCE!

[bpitt]

Hang the bastard!!!