Better Not Park Your Vehicle In Your Yard In Hattiesburg!

[firefly]

Starting next week you will be fined $100 per day if you park your vehicle in your yard in Hattiesburg! The fines can go up to $1000. That is so RICH!!! Every time that I go to my Daddy's house I see vehicles parked in the middle of the road!!! What about that???! Talk about straining at gnats & swallowing camels!!! I thought that if you own your property, then it's your business if you park in your yard... Evidently that's not true in Hattiesburg! WDAM interviewed a lady who says that she has been parking in her yard because she is handicapped & it is easier for her to access her car. Who came up with this STUPID idea???!:smt105

[RGDoherty]

Private ownership of land is quickly becoming a myth in this country. Only in the county do you really have somewhat of a simbulance of private ownership of land. May the lord bless those residents in the Hub City.

[firefly]

I'm with ya, FOTNO! I live in Petal & have for the past 8 & a half years. I was born & raised in Hattiesburg.

[big john]

YEP,they turned me into a car on grass cop today,they put a notice on my car,but none on all my neighbors,so starting next week I will be out on patrol turning in everybody i can,if i can't do it no one else can.

[big john]

I am going to save up and move from this place,I hate it,I have lived here all my life,things are getting too bad here,the potholes alone is enough to leave over.

[Mr Bagel]

Here is the deal. Petal and Hattiesburg want more money so they can be like Madison. Problem is Petal is little and has a few rednecks left in it and Hattiesburg is ethnically challenged and city hall can't afford to pay a bunch of multi-language employees/accomplices.....therefore, the burgs money would be better spent keepin Johnny the Man Dupree out of office the next term(Elect some who lives near the lagoons). Hattiesburg, I challenge you to stuff city hall next meeting (if the High Mayor decides to show up) and tell those nice people you all elected to put your tax money where the sun don't shine! And do something about that big ass stink pot of a lagoon. Fire somebody or break a dam and let that nasty crap go downstream....enough is enough.....Parking????? Buy some damn infrastucture Hattiesburg...put your money where your damn nose is....and that is not scrait up....

this is nowhere near a bagel administration. This is a pass the time and blame it on someone else admin.....I need a smoke. Matter of fact I am gonna go to kamper park and see if the monkeys will have a camel with me...no pun intenden.....

[58ford]

What if you dont have a driveway?

[RGDoherty]

I am going to save up and move from this place,I hate it,I have lived here all my life,things are getting too bad here,the potholes alone is enough to leave over.


Come on out here John.......I like your wit and opinion, we could drink beers and stick fish on a regular schedule!

[aaron]

What's going to be funny is the cars parked in the street now.

[wilebill]

I can see both sides of this. On one hand, it will mostly affect renters who pile up a bunch of people in a house that was intended for only 2 or 3 cars. It will actually protect the property values of those people who own a home and try to keep it looking nice. On the other hand, it will be a burden to those owners and renters alike who may have a legitimate reason to park a car in their yard, mainly to keep it off the street where it's more likely to be burglarized.

Whoever does the enforcing needs to do it with a big dose of rationality, but that may be asking to much for a government entity.

Our neighborhood is getting where there's more and more rentals instead of owners. One prime example is the couple who used to live around the corner from us kept their yard immaculately, but sold their house a year or so ago. Now it's a rental and the yard looks like a mud bog obstacle course.

Hattiesburg hasn't been an owner-friendly town in quite awhile. Maybe this will get it on the road back.

[SoMissTV]

Private property is private property. Parking on the grass isn't creating a public health or safety concern, so I don't see a problem with it.

[Pirate_129]

I would tend to agree that the city shouldn't try and dicatate what can or can't be done on private property if it isn't a health or safety issue. In a perfect world, landlords would make it part of the lease that multiple vehicles could not be parked in the yard. I wonder if the city council could consider an ordinace targetting the landlords and renters instead of a blanket ordinance. :smt102

[Booshay]

Its really really f'ed up when its cheaper to get a ticket for parking downtown illegally than it is to park on the grass AT YOUR OWN DAMN HOUSE!!!!!

[Booshay]

Hell, I could 2 no tag light tickets for what one "no parking on my own grass" ticket would cost me.

[Imapepper]

I wonder if the city council could consider an ordinace targetting the landlords and renters instead of a blamket ordinance. :smt102


Yeah, but that would be too easy and too much common sense involved to go that route! :smt009

[wilebill]

Private property is private property. Parking on the grass isn't creating a public health or safety concern, so I don't see a problem with it.But you don't have to prove that it's a health hazard, only say that it is. If you say it enough times, people will believe it.

[ynotme297]

i park my patrol in my yard, on the grass, next to my house. wonder if they will write me up.hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[SoMissTV]

But you don't have to prove that it's a health hazard, only say that it is. If you say it enough times, people will believe it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Regardless, private property is just that.

[carsalesguy]

my $200 turbo turd is parked on my yard now. nice and shiny in my grass in in the county

[firefly]

What's going to be funny is the cars parked in the street now. Aaron, every time that my husband & I go over to my Daddy's house in the Burg we see SEVERAL cars parked out in the middle of the freaking road! We have almost had a couple of head on collisions because of this! Why in the HE!! doesn't the city do something about that because it is the real problem???!!! :confused::smt105:confused:

[SoMissTV]

throw some rocks in front of your house and tell the city inspectors that it's not a yard, it's a badly maintained gravel lot. :)

[dreamhippy]

Under the Castle Doctrine, attempting to steal from you (and taking your money from you IS stealing) is grounds for force, or you could sue the ticketing officer for trespassing on private property. :)

[dreamhippy]

Best of luck with a really stupid situation.

[firefly]

Under the Castle Doctrine, attempting to steal from you (and taking your money from you IS stealing) is grounds for force, or you could sue the ticketing officer for trespassing on private property. :) I have to disagree with you on that, Dreamhippy. The Police Officers will just be following orders & doing their job. It's the IDIOTS in City Hall that I have a beef with!:smt009

[mi_nombre_es]

I can't park in my yard? what if my grass is taller than my car? will they still write me a ticket?

Another question, if my car is on cinder blocks in the front yard, do I still receive a ticket? Do they match the tags on the car with the owner? if not, can I put a fake License Plate on it and put Johnny Depuree's name on it?

soo many questions.......ohhh ohhh last one. Does the yard policy include back yard? sometimes I use a burned out 58 chevy as a BBQ pit....please mr. lawmakers write me back soon!

Signed,
Billy Bob-Jean Daniels

[TheCapitalist]

Well. When we can't smoke in our own business; When we have nationalized health care; when every bad loan you make is covered by the government; when they tell you how many people can be in a residence; when anything you say is "offensive" to a certain group(while others are somehow excluded)and have your livelyhood taken away as a result; when they want to take your land, not for "public good" but to give it to corporate entity(they bring in more taxes for more of these programs);when they regulate the number of fast food restaurants and what you can eat; when there are not enough people working their ass off to pay for everyone elses free crap;when the gov is the answer to every problem; when i get tired of working my ass off to give a great portion to others who did not earn it(it's their RIGHT)... I'm getting a big enough boat, set sail, and let the s.o.b.s have it because it will no longer be America. Then the producers of the world will see no need to produce because there is no incentive. Why, when it is all given if you do NOTHING. Between local, state, and fed gov., these things are being accomplished at an alarming rate. The writing is on the wall.

Who is John Galt?

[Guru]

It's a torn up issue with the parking, we have talked about this before.
Like Bill said there are two sides to this coin and with both having strong merit and emotions attached.
I can only guess that most of the yards to these houses were back when there may have only been one family vehicle.

[firefly]

Guru, what do you think of people(droves of them) parking in the middle of the street???! I think that the city should focus on taking care of that problem first!:smt102

[Guru]

I agree with both sides, it's just a mess.
On the one hand all those vehicles parked haphazardly in the street is just an accident waiting to happen, for many reasons.
On the other hand I can see the point of the homeowners wanting to park anywhere they want to on their property.
On my third hand I can see the insight of the folks that see their property value diminishing because of cars parked all in yards. A yard is a very major variable in property value and if it looks well kept the value will be higher.
Hattiesburg has some of what used to be the nicest looking little neighborhoods. Until a few years ago most still were. Unfortunately most of these neighborhoods were developed when everybody in a home didn't have a vehicle. Most of the allotment for property then was set up as a driveway with Mom's car parked nearest the house up the driveway because normally Dad was the one going in and out the most.
So, mostly two car households back then and now life has changed.
Even if back then there was parking on the street it would normally only be one vehicle per household there so the congestion you see now wasn't a problem.
The only thing I can see as being truly helpful is a design I offered to my Brother.
That is to be a central parking area that will take up a portion of his front yard with easy entry from the street, multiple side by side parking that will leave a nice manicured spot for a front yard with an entryway for the house.
To get what everybody wants, or should want if the street parking is to be reduced or eliminated and to keep property values up would be to adopt something like this.

[Conveyor Belt]

Everyone should know that this regulation was passed in an effort to control the student renters and thier upteen cars on a 1/4 acre lot. Some of the houses on 26th have had about 8-10 cars in the yard. There is no yard, only parking.

wilebill is correct in stating that the renter market drives down the property values of homeowners. Renters, generally, don't really care what something looks like, because they've got nothing invested in the property.

This issue tears at my libertarian views. I understand the need to have private property and private property rights. However, there are plenty of laws that dictate what you can and can't do in your home already. No one's making a big deal out of those, but say you can't park a car in your yard, and that's just over the line? WTH? Even in the county, there are laws about what you can and can't do in your home... or do period.

Personally, I'd like to run a little strip club in my spare bedroom... but, there are laws against that. Can I get an uproar about that?

[RedRocker]

Private property is private property. Parking on the grass isn't creating a public health or safety concern, so I don't see a problem with it.

Is that you I see speaking up for property owners rights SoMiss? lol ... jus pickin at ya!
D~

[RedRocker]

But you don't have to prove that it's a health hazard, only say that it is. If you say it enough times, people will believe it.
Just like the smoking ban advocates.

[aaron]

Everyone should know that this regulation was passed in an effort to control the student renters and thier upteen cars on a 1/4 acre lot. Some of the houses on 26th have had about 8-10 cars in the yard. There is no yard, only parking.

wilebill is correct in stating that the renter market drives down the property values of homeowners. Renters, generally, don't really care what something looks like, because they've got nothing invested in the property.

This issue tears at my libertarian views. I understand the need to have private property and private property rights. However, there are plenty of laws that dictate what you can and can't do in your home already. No one's making a big deal out of those, but say you can't park a car in your yard, and that's just over the line? WTH? Even in the county, there are laws about what you can and can't do in your home... or do period.

Personally, I'd like to run a little strip club in my spare bedroom... but, there are laws against that. Can I get an uproar about that?

Sure you can, but there's little chance of that law being reversed. There's probably been several court cases by now (probably brought on by porn kings) that say that you can't. The laws being discussed are being enacted now, so there is a chance that they could be reversed.

[Guru]

Everyone should know that this regulation was passed in an effort to control the student renters and thier upteen cars on a 1/4 acre lot. Some of the houses on 26th have had about 8-10 cars in the yard. There is no yard, only parking.

wilebill is correct in stating that the renter market drives down the property values of homeowners. Renters, generally, don't really care what something looks like, because they've got nothing invested in the property.

This issue tears at my libertarian views. I understand the need to have private property and private property rights. However, there are plenty of laws that dictate what you can and can't do in your home already. No one's making a big deal out of those, but say you can't park a car in your yard, and that's just over the line? WTH? Even in the county, there are laws about what you can and can't do in your home... or do period.

Personally, I'd like to run a little strip club in my spare bedroom... but, there are laws against that. Can I get an uproar about that?

* I wasn't that aware of all the student renters being the object of this but I can surely follow that CB.
The last time we all discussed this it was very emotional very much like the Petal Smoking Ban thread. Just so very full of emotion and very good arguements by most involved.
I know there are many issues.
I do see, in my opinion, as this being something else to take care of, adapt to, as a part of our more populated life in what used to be our small world here in the Pine Belt and currently some of the neighborhoods in Hattiesburg.
As mentioned above I look at it as maintenance, a freshening up of a remodel like you have to do to keep your property up, make it better suited to you and life around you and adhere to not only the individual homeowner's needs but also the community.
Most people don't necessarily have or want to spend the money, especially if it is a house that has now been transformed into rental property but with all this discussion that keeps popping up and staying hot and heavy it only seems prudent. I mean, we were all deep in this same topic just a month or two ago and now it is up on front page again.
The property value gain for a true homeowner makes the adaptation very worthwhile and will also make those around them avoid ruining those top shelf real homeowner's properties from declining low enough that should they ever try to sale nobody would consider buying property in that neighborhood or street.
Given a choice (if I was considering moving to town) I myself would surely not choose what would face first appear to be a run down neighborhood no matter how nice the people were that would be my new neighbors.
Like I said, it's just a mess and I can certainly see all view points on this.

[aaron]

Aaron, every time that my husband & I go over to my Daddy's house in the Burg we see SEVERAL cars parked out in the middle of the freaking road! We have almost had a couple of head on collisions because of this! Why in the HE!! doesn't the city do something about that because it is the real problem???!!! :confused::smt105:confused:

This is kind of my point. Most streets in Hattiesburg aren't made for cars to park in the road. In several residential areas in Hattiesburg, it's one lane only because of cars parked in the road. Now bring this to 4th street, bring it to 38th street, bring it to 40th. If I used to park in the yard, and now I park in the road, I'm just wondering what they will do?

[IGID]

If the property owners pour a concrete slab in their yard next to the driveway to park on, is it still the yard or a parking area now?

[Conveyor Belt]

Yard = grass or dirt
Driveway/parking area = rocks or paved surface

At least, that's my opinion.

[Scarlett O'Hara]

Just a question.........Since the maximum fine is $1000, when you reach that, could you just keep on parking there???????

[Bahlk]

1000 for each offense

[Ted]

. . . . . . . I wonder if the city council could consider an ordinace targetting the landlords and renters instead of a blanket ordinance. :smt102Hold up there!!
In many instances the landlords don't give us renters any options.
They don't provide any parking facilities at many places and we just have to make do the best we can.
Why bust our chops?? If we had a nice place to park, we'd use it.
Targeting the renters wouldn't be fair or equitable in some cases.

[Booshay]

The point of this whole thing is when you have a 2 bedroom house with 8 people living in it. Usually a house of that size has enough room for 2 maybe 3 cars in the driveway. But when you have 6 or 8 people AND their cars and THEIR boyfriends/girlfriends cars there too...theyre gonna park them somewhere. And this always tears up the grass, makes for a muddy yard, sometimes alot of trash in the yard, thus leading to lower property values. Seems to me that if something should be enforced....how about starting with the houses that are being living in like it was a sardine can. If Im a homeowner and its just me, spouse and my kid....well by God, if I want to park in the f'n yard....I WILL. I bought and paid for that grass, its mine, if you dont like it, tough.

[aaron]

Sorry, your harming others property values when you do that. And you can't harm anyone else at all costs. Even if they signed a document that said they didn't care about their property value. The government still has to make sure you don't do it. Their children will probably get the house one day, and we have to protect the children.

[Booshay]

Well I think this grass parking law is complete B.S. If I want to park my car on my grass, I should have that right. If I were to rent out my single family home to renters and theres 15 of them living here, then yes, I can see the local government causing me some stink. Most of the people in my neighborhood do park in the driveway, and from time to time there is someone who parks in the grass....I dont care about that. But for the city to tell me what I can or cannot do on my own property is ubsurd.

[Guru]

To be direct, it looks like the city IS doing something about this and their approach is coercing property owners into adapting their property in a way to allow new parking on a property which will get the vehicles off the street.
Those in here attached to local government correct me if I'm wrong but the way that I'm reading this is if the incentive is greater to do a little landscaping job and create a parking area on the homeowner's property, get the vehicles off the street and rather than pay the $1000 fine for parking a bunch of vehicles in a yard then the property owners will catch onto this and make the necessary changes.
This is just my insight. Create an environment where people will follow the path of least resistance.

[big john]

I have been driving around all day,and it looks like middleclass home owners will be affected the most by this.I will start keeping a list of addresses ,car makes,color and tag numbers monday,starting tue. I will be calling ALLEN,CODE OFFICER AT 601-554-1009 and reporting the criminals.
All the poor folks have their cars on the streets now,I guess they don't have the money to pay the fines,I know i don't.

[Ted]

I have been driving around all day,and it looks like middleclass home owners will be affected the most by this.I will start keeping a list of addresses ,car makes,color and tag numbers monday,starting tue. I will be calling ALLEN,CODE OFFICER AT 601-554-1009 and reporting the criminals.
All the poor folks have their cars on the streets now,I guess they don't have the money to pay the fines,I know i don't.I noticed that DDD has a van parked in her side yard on the grass.
Get her first.

[big john]

I noticed that DDD has a van parked in her side yard on the grass.
Get her first.wuh she had been stayin at?

[Scarlett O'Hara]

sorry....just having a ditzy day (or week) I guess

[Ted]

wuh she had been stayin at?I don't know the exact address. I'll have to look. It doesn't seem to be listed on the phone book.

[petalgirl00]

I get that people want their property values to stay up. However, where will all these college kids go? The university is a big contributor to the local economy. Looks to me like the city is shooting itself in the foot.

[jenjoie]

The point of this whole thing is when you have a 2 bedroom house with 8 people living in it. Usually a house of that size has enough room for 2 maybe 3 cars in the driveway. But when you have 6 or 8 people AND their cars and THEIR boyfriends/girlfriends cars there too...
So, should I just never visit my boyfriend because there isn't room for my car in the driveway?

He currently rents a house...3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 4 occupants. I daresay this isn't "packing renters in like sardines," but when all four guys are home they take up the entire garage/driveway area. If ANYONE else is at the house, there are no parking spaces that either A) aren't in the yard or B) don't block the neighbor's mailbox.

Of course, he's outside city limits so it isn't an issue (yet), but just for the sake of argument...

[firefly]

I noticed that DDD has a van parked in her side yard on the grass.
Get her first. HE!! Yeah! Get her FIRST!!! She has shown by some of her past actions that she thinks that the law does not apply to HER! Let her have it, B J!!!

[firefly]

Maybe there are others down at City Hall that aren't following their little law... Hmmmmm...:evil:

[shutterbug]

wilebill is correct in stating that the renter market drives down the property values of homeowners. Renters, generally, don't really care what something looks like, because they've got nothing invested in the property.


This is true, but it goes back the the owner of the property..... If they are ones that should worry about their property value Not the local government.

[Booshay]

So, should I just never visit my boyfriend because their isn't room for my car in the driveway?

He currently rents a house...3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 4 occupants. I daresay this isn't "packing renters in like sardines," but when all four guys are home they take up the entire garage/driveway area. If ANYONE else is at the house, there are no parking spaces that either A) aren't in the yard or B) don't block the neighbor's mailbox.I dont have a problem with 4 sharing a 3 bedroom house, but 8 people--yes. Also, I dont have a problem with parking in the grass if its a temporary thing (couple of hours,overnight or even a day or two--just not weeks on end).....But when there are a large number of people LIVING in a house meant for 2 or 3 people and it looks like theres a 24hr a day party going on, the yard is a muddy mess, then sometimes it is a problem. Its not up to the city to tell us whether or not to park on the grass...that should be up to the homeowner/landlord. Personally, I'd like to pull my car into the yard to wash it...then wait for the grass Nazis to come talk smack.

[jenjoie]

I wasn't really arguing at you, Booshay.

Just the idea of saying, "well, it's all these college kids packing themselves into rental houses that's the real problem." The intention may be to stop people who pack houses and mud ride the yard, but those of us who behave like normal human beings (home owners and tenants alike) are just as liable to be fined as 'those other guys.'

If there is going to be some sort of law in regards to this issue, they also need to put into place some kind of distinction, limitation or something other than a blanket regulation...

[Ted]

I wasn't really arguing at you, Booshay.

Just the idea of saying, "well, it's all these college kids packing themselves into rental houses that's the real problem." The intention may be to stop people who pack houses and mud ride the yard, but those of us who behave like normal human beings (home owners and tenants alike) are just as liable to be fined as 'those other guys.'

If there is going to be some sort of law in regards to this issue, they also need to put into place some kind of distinction, limitation or something other than a blanket regulation...That's my general thinking too, Jenjoie.

One suggestion I can offer is to give the owners and landlords of rentals one year (or some other reasonable period of time) to pave or gravel the area that is already being used for parking.
After that time fine the owners and landlords if no improvements have been made.
Punishing the tenants would be the least fair arrangement in some cases.
A blanket ordinance will allow too much potential for punishing the wrong folks. Tenants usually don't have any control over construction and maintenance of parking facilities. It's the responsibility of the owners and realtors to provide adequate and reasonable parking for their tenants. Some of them don't and the tenants must make do as best they can.

[Pirate_129]

I wonder if the city council could consider an ordinace targetting the landlords and renters instead of a blanket ordinance. :smt102


One suggestion I can offer is to give the owners and landlords of rentals one year (or some other reasonable period of time) to pave or gravel the area that is already being used for parking.
After that time fine the owners and landlords if no improvements have been made.
Punishing the tenants would be the least fair arrangement in some cases.
A blanket ordinance will allow too much potential for punishing the wrong folks. Tenants usually don't have any control over construction and maintenance of parking facilities. It's the responsibility of the owners and realtors to provide adequate and reasonable parking for their tenants. Some of them don't and the tenants must make do as best they can.

That's the kind of ordinance I was talking about. Something that would give the landlords time to provide adequate parking. A year would also give the renters to find a place that would provide sufficient parking and space for the number of people they plan to have under one roof if their current accomodations won't suffice.

I'm not that far removed from being a college aged renter in Hattiesburg (10-12 years) so I know how it works. The issue doesn't come from the three guys that rent a house. It comes when they ask one more to move in to cut the rent. Then the guy that gets kicked out of his apartment and needs somewhere to stay. Add in the girlfriends and sleepovers and pretty soon those three guys turn into 8 or so people staying there every night.

I do understand that a renter cannot control what facilities are provided by the landlord, but they most definetly can control how many people are staying in a house. We can cut hairs about it, but anyone that has lives in a college rental knows that quite often three folks move into a residence knowing good and well there will be many more that actually live there. This is not meant to be a blanket statement, but it does apply in many situations.

[fuzzis]

I guess I've lived alone too long...or money has never been *that* tight. I get a little--panicked--when I have guests for several days. And their parking in the yard has nothing to do with it. It's more like, hmmmmmm...can't wander around the house naked. There's another person here. DAMMIT. :kekeke:

[Ted]

I guess I've lived alone too long...or money has never been *that* tight. I get a little--panicked--when I have guests for several days. And their parking in the yard has nothing to do with it. It's more like, hmmmmmm...can't wander around the house naked. There's another person here. DAMMIT. :kekeke:Yeah.
Me too and Me too.:smt001
Within the confines of my own 'cave', modesty ain't one of my strong points.:oops::-D

[fuzzis]

Yeah.
Me too and Me too.:smt001
Within the confines of my own 'cave', modesty ain't one of my strong points.:oops::-D

Although you know, with friends who have known me for 2/3s of my life, it's really not that big of a deal. :laugh:

[Guru]

I can't walk around nekkid in front of "women of the opposite sex" / Allo Allo;
I'd be a dead giveaway.

[hereiam]

Wonder if they'll get me for my right two tires being on the grass? We have 2 full size trucks and the driveway isn't big enough. I have to park a little in the grass if anyone wants to use the passenger side of the vehicle! We'll see...:smt102

[Ted]

Although you know, with friends who have known me for 2/3s of my life, it's really not that big of a deal. :laugh:
Well - - I'm sure you look waaaay better nekid than I do.:bowrofl:heh heh heh

At my age it ain't purdy no more.:smt009
:smt001heh heh heh

[Ted]

Wonder if they'll get me for my right two tires being on the grass? We have 2 full size trucks and the driveway isn't big enough. I have to park a little in the grass if anyone wants to use the passenger side of the vehicle! We'll see...:smt102Yeah, we'll see.
Let's hope that common sense and good judgement will prevail in the application and enforcement of the ordinance.

[Booshay]

Yeah, we'll see.
Let's hope that common sense and good judgement will prevail in the application and enforcement of the ordinance.Are you kidding?!?! You obviously have never met anyone in code enforcement. :-D

[Ted]

Are you kidding?!?! You obviously have never met anyone in code enforcement. :-DWell, not directly - but they really have helped my immediate neighborhood a couple of times in the past.
I'm sure it's a thankless job but I hope they don't torment renters that have no control over their parking situation.

[Booshay]

I'm sure it's a thankless job Yeah, most of the city jobs are thankless, especially when you consider that the administrations idea of a raise is $.10-$.35 an hour....that aint shit!

I hope they don't torment renters that have no control over their parking situation.Oh they will...I can just hear them now when they give out a ticket, "if you dont like it, I suggest that you talk to your landlord about it then".

[Hob684]

I guess I've lived alone too long...or money has never been *that* tight. I get a little--panicked--when I have guests for several days. And their parking in the yard has nothing to do with it. It's more like, hmmmmmm...can't wander around the house naked. There's another person here. DAMMIT. :kekeke:

+1

my wife's old roommate has been staying with us for the past 3 weeks after the bf she was living with cheated on her..

Her moveout/moveinto another apt day is October 12th.. i think i'll skip class to help her move out!!!

[N40th]

It's rules like this no-parking-on-your-own-grass crap that foment revolutions.

[hbm]

I wonder what it will do to property values when the landlords concrete the whole yard. This is a solution that the zoning department better be on top of.

[RedRocker]

I'd be damned curious to see how many total man-hours are spent on enforcing this ordinance. What the total payroll cost to the city will be.

[Guru]

I wonder what it will do to property values when the landlords concrete the whole yard. This is a solution that the zoning department better be on top of.

* They don't need to concrete the whole thing, they just need to hire me to do the design and planning.
Either that or they could watch DIY or HGTV while they drink some coffee.
I doubt the city is going to pay for it, they are just going to gouge people until it's done like herding cows down the alley to a different pen.

[firefly]

* They don't need to concrete the whole thing, they just need to hire me to do the design and planning.
Either that or they could watch DIY or HGTV while they drink some coffee.
I doubt the city is going to pay for it, they are just going to gouge people until it's done like herding cows down the alley to a different pen.
You are so right about the city not paying for it! Seems like the only thing that they want to do is dream up new ways to take peoples' money & think of someything else that you can't do on YOUR private property!:smt118

[RedRocker]

Campaign Slogan for next election:
It's the Property Rights, stupid!

[Maggie-Doodle]

I know this statement will irk alot of folks BUT being a homeowner in a single family residential neighborhood I must say it anyway..

WHY can't the college students just move to the apartments that are being built (especially for them) and share the cost there? Single family residences are exactly that....FOR SINGLE FAMILIES! The people who buy homes do so because they don't want to live in apartments! Nor do they want to live with some of the "cons" that go with apartments (ex. noise, high density, no privacy, etc. etc.) People buy homes so they can have something to show for their monies, equity in property, peace & quiet, etc. etc.) Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a "couple" of students sharing a house IF they don't throw wild parties and tear up our neighborhoods...the big problem comes in when there are 4,5,6, people renting a single family home and then those have overnight (or longer) "guest." I know in my neighborhood there have been many times there was barely room for a single small car or truck to get down the street, little alone an ambulance or fire truck! WHEN it comes a hazzard to the neighborhoods it is time to put a stop to it! No if's, and's or buts!!

I know that USM has helped make what the Burg is today to a point...BUT lets face it...a big percentage of college students could give a rats a$$ less about anyone except themselves...many are away from home for the first time and they want to live it up and party whenever, where ever they want since they are not under their parents watchful eye....homeowners who spend mega bucks for their property should not have to suffer the consequences of their poor choices!

[fuzzis]

Maybe they don't want to live in apartments for the exact same reasons that you don't want to live in apartments. Maybe apartments are a little more expensive than an older home in an older neighborhood. Maybe it doesn't matter why they choose to live where they do.

Maybe instead of ranting about renters, you should *really* rant about landlords.

[Maggie-Doodle]

Maybe they don't want to live in apartments for the exact same reasons that you don't want to live in apartments. Maybe apartments are a little more expensive than an older home in an older neighborhood. Maybe it doesn't matter why they choose to live where they do.

Maybe instead of ranting about renters, you should *really* rant about landlords.

The point remains the same...IF the kids want to live as a single family they should "act" like a single family..and yes, the slum lords need to have control but most could give a damn less... some can't even be located...all they want is the almighty dollar! We have a couple of houses that are rented to students and you never know they are there unless you happen to see them coming or going or see their vehicle in the drive way...there are others that you can hear from two to three blocks away. WHATEVER, the fact is the same...they are living in SINGLE FAMILY residences!

[Fish-Bait]

I am so glad I live in the country. I could park my pick-up out in the pond and no-one could cite me. I can park my 4-wheeler in the middle of my rose garden and no-one would even complain. They would just say "Well, it's his stuff and he can do damn well with it what he pleases." You see it is a free country, but only in the country...heheee

[RGDoherty]

WHY can't the college students just move to the apartments that are being built (especially for them) and share the cost there? Single family residences are exactly that....FOR SINGLE FAMILIES! The people who buy homes do so because they don't want to live in apartments! Nor do they want to live with some of the "cons" that go with apartments (ex. noise, high density, no privacy, etc. etc.) People buy homes so they can have something to show for their monies, equity in property, peace & quiet, etc. etc.) Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a "couple" of students sharing a house IF they don't throw wild parties and tear up our neighborhoods...the big problem comes in when there are 4,5,6, people renting a single family home and then those have overnight (or longer) "guest." I know in my neighborhood there have been many times there was barely room for a single small car or truck to get down the street, little alone an ambulance or fire truck! WHEN it comes a hazzard to the neighborhoods it is time to put a stop to it! No if's, and's or buts!!

lets face it...a big percentage of college students could give a rats a$$ less about anyone except themselves...many are away from home for the first time and they want to live it up and party whenever, where ever they want since they are not under their parents watchful eye....homeowners who spend mega bucks for their property should not have to suffer the consequences of their poor choices!

Did you know that Students are the only people that landlords can legally discriminate against for that very reason?????

[fuzzis]

The point remains the same...IF the kids want to live as a single family they should "act" like a single family..and yes, the slum lords need to have control but most could give a damn less... some can't even be located...all they want is the almighty dollar! We have a couple of houses that are rented to students and you never know they are there unless you happen to see them coming or going or see their vehicle in the drive way...there are others that you can hear from two to three blocks away. WHATEVER, the fact is the same...they are living in SINGLE FAMILY residences!

Renters are not second-class citizens, Maggie. They have just as much right to live wherever they choose as you do.

If you're pissed off about the way things are going in your neighborhood, then perhaps your association needs to bring some pressure to bear on the slumlords. It is, afterall, their responsibility to make sure that *their* property (not the renter's property) is kept up.

[endofthetrail]

I would think that an area zoned for single residence that had 5 unrelated people living in a single house would be in violation.:smt102

[justme]

I know this statement will irk alot of folks BUT being a homeowner in a single family residential neighborhood I must say it anyway..

WHY can't the college students just move to the apartments that are being built (especially for them) and share the cost there? Single family residences are exactly that....FOR SINGLE FAMILIES! The people who buy homes do so because they don't want to live in apartments! Nor do they want to live with some of the "cons" that go with apartments (ex. noise, high density, no privacy, etc. etc.) People buy homes so they can have something to show for their monies, equity in property, peace & quiet, etc. etc.) Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a "couple" of students sharing a house IF they don't throw wild parties and tear up our neighborhoods...the big problem comes in when there are 4,5,6, people renting a single family home and then those have overnight (or longer) "guest." I know in my neighborhood there have been many times there was barely room for a single small car or truck to get down the street, little alone an ambulance or fire truck! WHEN it comes a hazzard to the neighborhoods it is time to put a stop to it! No if's, and's or buts!!

I know that USM has helped make what the Burg is today to a point...BUT lets face it...a big percentage of college students could give a rats a$$ less about anyone except themselves...many are away from home for the first time and they want to live it up and party whenever, where ever they want since they are not under their parents watchful eye....homeowners who spend mega bucks for their property should not have to suffer the consequences of their poor choices!

have you checked the prices of those so called student apartments? I know that I would not have been able to afford living in them when I was in college- and the school doesn't have enough campus housing to accomodate the students who do want to live there. If you are a student who doesn't have alot of money- your options are limited.

If you have too many renters or homeowners who don't care who they rent to you should deal with it though your homeowners association or neighborhood association-that is what they are there for. I rented my house during law school. There were 4 girls living in a 2 bedroom house. My neighbors loved them. They had 3 parking places, and had to park on the street and in the ally- I am sure there were boyfriends there all the time to and parties. I never received one complaint and my neighborhood frowns on rentals BIG TIME. So you should be responsible in who you rent to. As a neighbor you should bring this up to people who can take action. You should contact the homeowner and talk to them if they are not around to see it.

[SoMissTV]

Driving through the Avenues this morning, I noticed a number of homes where one car was parked in the driveway, and another on the grass. There was enough space for the second car to park behind the other car in the driveway, but I can only guess that the grass is a convenience option. When my wife and I lived in a home with a small driveway, I would routinely go outside and move my vehicle so she could get out of the driveway, then return it to the driveway. It's a shame more people do not have that consideration.

[Maggie-Doodle]

Maybe they don't want to live in apartments for the exact same reasons that you don't want to live in apartments. Maybe apartments are a little more expensive than an older home in an older neighborhood. Maybe it doesn't matter why they choose to live where they do.

Maybe instead of ranting about renters, you should *really* rant about landlords.

Our neighborhood assoc. does try to contact the landlords and for the most part we have gotten the problem solved in our area but the fact remains, the students are suppose to be adults...they should ACT like adults instead of jr. high kids and have a little consideration for the neighbors IF they want to rent in SINGLE family neighborhoods.

Renters are not second-class citizens, Maggie. They have just as much right to live wherever they choose as you do.

If you're pissed off about the way things are going in your neighborhood, then perhaps your association needs to bring some pressure to bear on the slumlords. It is, afterall, their responsibility to make sure that *their* property (not the renter's property) is kept up.

No all renters are not second-class citizens but alot sure act like heatherns instead of the adults they are suppose to be...the point I am trying to make is act like adults and treat the property like you own it and will live there all your life...and be considerate of your neighbors when it comes to loud parties and leaving trash and beer cans all over the yard.

have you checked the prices of those so called student apartments? I know that I would not have been able to afford living in them when I was in college- and the school doesn't have enough campus housing to accomodate the students who do want to live there. If you are a student who doesn't have alot of money- your options are limited.

If you have too many renters or homeowners who don't care who they rent to you should deal with it though your homeowners association or neighborhood association-that is what they are there for. I rented my house during law school. There were 4 girls living in a 2 bedroom house. My neighbors loved them. They had 3 parking places, and had to park on the street and in the ally- I am sure there were boyfriends there all the time to and parties. I never received one complaint and my neighborhood frowns on rentals BIG TIME. So you should be responsible in who you rent to. As a neighbor you should bring this up to people who can take action. You should contact the homeowner and talk to them if they are not around to see it.

Our neighborhood assoc. is dealing with the problem...but there are areas that don't have associations because the majority of the homes are rented and the landlords don't care..the few elderly homeowners in those areas expect and deserve more.

You have to understand alot of the kids who rent are good neighbors, no one has a problem with them... it is the ones who act like heatherns and pigs that are making it bad for those that are good neighbors..it IS a two way street for all involved.

[fuzzis]

I'm going to say it again and then I'm out of this conversation...

it's the LANDLORD'S responsibility to make sure that his/her renters are upholding community/neighborhood standards. Getting pissed off at the renters doesn't solve the problem because it's the LANDLORD who has allowed that element to move into your neighborhood.

[CircusRide]

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[CircusRide]

Here's a pick of the H'burg "Yard Car Enforcer":

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[dollfus46]

Private property is private property. Parking on the grass isn't creating a public health or safety concern, so I don't see a problem with it.

There are some wealthy cities, I 'spose in Florida and California, that don't allow pickup trucks to be parked anywhere but in a closed garage at night. After dark, your pickup better not be seen.:confused: Go figure.

[Fish-Bait]

Ban cars and trucks. No, ban yards, front and back yards. Ban rentin' too. Ban everything.

[Fish-Bait]

Ban bans..

[dollfus46]

I can't park in my yard? what if my grass is taller than my car? will they still write me a ticket?

Another question, if my car is on cinder blocks in the front yard, do I still receive a ticket? Do they match the tags on the car with the owner? if not, can I put a fake License Plate on it and put Johnny Depuree's name on it?

soo many questions.......ohhh ohhh last one. Does the yard policy include back yard? sometimes I use a burned out 58 chevy as a BBQ pit....please mr. lawmakers write me back soon!

Signed,
Billy Bob-Jean Daniels

Heh heh heh. You need to send that material to Jeff Foxworthy. You're a card carrying redneck.;)

[Guru]

Certain areas have very strict policies. Developements around Ross Barnette Resevoir outside Jackson have about the most stringent that I know of, not totally certain about Hattiesburg but a couple of friends around Lake Serene have mentioned similarities.
These are attempts to protect the accepted desires of a group of people with shared goals for their environment whether it be asthetics, property values, personal safety, etc.

On the flip side of rules you have this http://www.anarchy.net/
which if you read it alludes to no rules at all.
It sounds good but the results are catastrophic.

Side bar:
Fuzzis, I'm with you on your sentiment. My extended twist is that a landlord cannot be responsible for everything a renter does. I do most soundly agree with you on the landlord's responsibility to adapt the real estate for the condition he/she has set up and monitoring how that situation applies to certain zoning requirements as those that Endoftrail mentioned above.

[bpitt]

I live out in the county and park whatever the hell I want, where I want.............

[bpitt]

Been thinkin' about gettin' me a tank, and park it out front, maybe an ol Bradley....

[aaron]

Driving through the Avenues this morning, I noticed a number of homes where one car was parked in the driveway, and another on the grass. There was enough space for the second car to park behind the other car in the driveway, but I can only guess that the grass is a convenience option. When my wife and I lived in a home with a small driveway, I would routinely go outside and move my vehicle so she could get out of the driveway, then return it to the driveway. It's a shame more people do not have that consideration.

Consideration for what? I'm betting most people have enough to worry about, thinking about your neighbor's resale values when you get home from work is probably way down the list of things on your mind. I don't really think parking in the street is going to help either. I wouldn't want to buy a home on a clogged up street. If you are worried about the resale value of your house, I think you need to buy a home in an association with rules in the first place.

[SoMissTV]

Consideration for what?

Consideration for the neighborhood. It take very little effort to park behind another car in the driveway in order to save the front lawn. It's the same reason we pick up trash that's on the street, and not on our property. We do it not to retain the property value, but to be good neighbors.

If you wanna be inconsiderate and park on the grass when you have an option not to, go for it. Your lack of consideration and laziness will reflect poorly upon you and your home.

[Natural Sunshine]

Thank goodness I'm in the county....not that I have a problem with parking in a driveway, but I have a problem with the city telling me where I can park at my house if I bought the place with no restrictions to begin with.

[aaron]

Consideration for the neighborhood. It take very little effort to park behind another car in the driveway in order to save the front lawn. It's the same reason we pick up trash that's on the street, and not on our property. We do it not to retain the property value, but to be good neighbors.

If you wanna be inconsiderate and park on the grass when you have an option not to, go for it. Your lack of consideration and laziness will reflect poorly upon you and your home.

I'd say the a good percentage of people who do this don't care about their home, you, or your home. And no one told them they had to when they bought or rented the house.

[ynotme297]

I would think that an area zoned for single residence that had 5 unrelated people living in a single house would be in violation.:smt102
it is in petal.