House District 102 poll

[TDaleBeavers]

This may be one of the more interesting November local races in the Pine Belt. If the election were held today for House District 102, for whom would you be inclined to support to succeed retiring Rep. Lee Jarrell Davis (yes, I spelled it right this time!): Republican Toby Barker or Democrat Jolly Matthews?

PLEASE NOTE: HOUSE DISTRICT 102 generally includes West Hattiesburg and a tiny portion of the Breland and Breland East precincts in Lamar County. The Forrest County precincts include: Blair High School, Thames, Westside, No. 4 Firestation, USM Golf Course, Pine Grove, Pinecrest, North Heights, Highland Park and parts of Woodley, Timberton and Rawls Springs. IF YOU LIVE IN PETAL, LAMAR COUNTY (EXCEPT AS AFOREMENTIONED), EAST HATTIESBURG OR ANYWWHERE ELSE, PLEASE DON'T VOTE IN THIS POLL!

DISCUSSION IS WELCOME!

[Hob684]

Toby all the way.

[TDaleBeavers]

First time District 102 is getting a new State Representative in 16 years -- I would think this race would be drawing more interest and discussion.

[SoMissTV]

I'm voting for TDaleBeavers.

[noway]

I will be voting in this district and Im not for sure which way to vote. I have bad memories of toby involved with the betsy rowell campaign. I have noticed that she doesn't have a toby sign in her yard.

:smt102

[BlueDogDemocrat]

TDale, remember, most of us wouldn't want these jobs if they were handed to us. It is only you and the other morons in the legislature that think some kind of status is attached to being in the legislature..

I can't believe that the GOP couldn't do better than Toby Barker!

My God, how pitiful a state of affairs when District 102 has to choose between a grouchy old butthole and a gooby little teenager with more teeth than birthdays.

[wilebill]

So far, the only candidate who's been to my house is Matthews. I may have to vote for him based strictly on that, but right now I haven't made up my mind.

[KingMaker]

Two weak candidates will seldom create much interest.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

In all honestly, Jolly is a pretty good fellow. He comes from good people, served in our armed forces, and aside from a few run ins with other lawyers has served our community very well. He can be a little grumpy, but hell, who am I to talk.

Oh, and I think he'd be a pretty moderate to conservative legislator.

[TDaleBeavers]

TDale, remember, most of us wouldn't want these jobs if they were handed to us. It is only you and the other morons in the legislature that think some kind of status is attached to being in the legislature..


"Me and other morons in the Legislature"? Did I just wake up from this nightmare known as the past year?

Seriously, you may be correct, in that most of the citizenry wouldn't want to serve in the Legislature. However, all of us should desire good government and care who it is that is serving. That is why the voters of District 102 should play close attention to this race. Since incumbent legislators are so rarely defeated (minus DUIs, arrests, running around or other bad behavior), whoever is elected will likely serve for an extended period of time.

I believe Jolly Matthews is an accomplished attorney, and some might argue him probably better prepared to serve on Day 1 than Toby Barker. However, much as felt about my opponent in my race, I believe that Legislative achievements is more of a marathon than a sprint, until our state adopts term limits. While I believe because of Jolly's educational background and record, he has some potential to grow in Jackson, at his advanced age, he has the potential likely to serve one or two terms in Jackson. That most likely means no committee chairmanship or leadership post. Seniority in the largest ingredient required to play a major role in shaping legislation or being heard in economic development matters. This area has recently elected two caretaker representatives -- the Pine Belt cannot afford another!

That's one major reason that I believe Toby Barker is the better long term choice for District 102, and who I would vote for if I lived in 102. Although age 25, he has already achieved a Bachelor's and Master's degree from USM, and currently serves as director of USM's Business Assistance Center. He has been recognized as by at least two local publications as one of the top young business people in the area. Simply put, I believe Toby is very bright, energetic and will grow quickly into a leader that District 102 can be proud of, and one who can do more for 102 in the long term.

Further, I believe Toby Barker is the more conservative of the two candidates, whereas Jolly Matthews I believe would align himself with Speaker McCoy, Percy Watson, Steve Holland, the MTLA and the House Democratic leadership. I don't think that formula is what the Pine Belt needs.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Well, your endorsement of the young over the old comes as no suprise. It is the message that fell on deaf ears in your last, what-ever-you-want-to-call it.

And besides, since when did such great value become attached to long term seat warming in the legislature? If you ask me, that is exactly what is wrong with the legislature, the once Toby Barkers that end up spending 40 years in the legislature thinking they are some entitled to do whatever they please without any recourse, just cause they have been there along time. Tell me, you do oft rail against McCoy, Watson, and Holland. Reckon, how many years combined they have up there in Jackson?

Again, we've said it before. No thanks.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Oh yeah, and Toby is a carpetbagger too. :)

[wilebill]

Note!: This below quote is verbatim - no editing done by me!

While I believe because of Jolly's educational background and record, he has some potential to grow in Jackson, at his advanced age, he has the potential likely to serve one or two terms in Jackson. That most likely means no committee chairmanship or leadership post. Seniority in the largest ingredient required to play a major role in shaping legislation or being heard in economic development matters. This area has recently elected two caretaker representatives -- the Pine Belt cannot afford another!Puhleese. You're a broke record when it comes to this, and I think you're dead wrong.

All things being equal, I think the best person for the job as legislator is the older one. I simply don't think being a legislator should be a "career", and I think the older person, especially someone quite a bit older than his/her opponent, more than likely has more life experiences which I believe is important to be an effective representative.

This is not a knock on any young candidate, but you're harping on older people running for office is the direct opposite of how I feel government should be. I wish more older people who've walked the walk and talked the talk would take some of their experience to the capitol. To me, it is a fitting close of their careers to share their experiences and lead the rest of us through that.

[SoMissTV]

Oh yeah, and Toby is a carpetbagger too. :)

Oh, let's not play this stupid game again, okay? Both candidates own their own homes in the district, and both have met the residency requirement. Can't we leave it at that, BDD?

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Oh, let's not play this stupid game again, okay? Both candidates own their own homes in the district, and both have met the residency requirement. Can't we leave it at that, BDD?

SoMissTV lighten up it was a damn joke hence the :)

As usual, too damn serious.

[SoMissTV]

As usual, too damn serious.

Sorry, I'm just used to you attempting to obscure the real issues with meaningless drivel.

[EricStratton]

Y'all two are fighting like cats and dogs.....get it....get it.....look at your avatars....get it....

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Sorry, I'm just used to you attempting to obscure the real issues with meaningless drivel.

hehehe....meaningless drivel.

Get back to back to playing with yourself while reading the forum rules.

[TDaleBeavers]

Note!: This below quote is verbatim - no editing done by me!

Puhleese. You're a broke record when it comes to this, and I think you're dead wrong.

All things being equal, I think the best person for the job as legislator is the older one. I simply don't think being a legislator should be a "career", and I think the older person, especially someone quite a bit older than his/her opponent, more than likely has more life experiences which I believe is important to be an effective representative.



The problem with your position, is that twice the voters of this state have voted on term limits and rejected them. As such, it is the responsibility of the voters to toss out "career politicians" and they have failed, notably with some like McCoy, Holland, Reynolds, Watson, et al.

However, electing short term legislators simply puts our area at a comparative disadvantage versus other areas of our state. North Mississippi has seemed to "get" this -- South Mississippi largely hasn't, and that's a major reason we are left behind. Neither Jolly Matthews nor Harvey Fillingane are too old to serve in the legislature -- but I believe our area is poorly served by allowing men such as them to begin their careers in the Legislature at their respective ages. If these men were 48 or even 58, this wouldn't be an issue -- I am not suggesting the voters across Mississippi elect a bunch of 25-35 year olds every time there is an open seat in the Legislature. But until term limits are passed, seniority is often the name of the game.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Thanks for the negative Rep, SoMissTV. Even though I don't have as much to give out, I thought I'd give some back and call you a beotch at the same time. You proved my point, though! Goodnight! :)

[H'burg Lady]

Oh, let's not play this stupid game again, okay? Both candidates own their own homes in the district, and both have met the residency requirement. Can't we leave it at that, BDD?




Yes, they both own a home in this district. However, when did toby buy his? Week or two before deadline to qualify? Jolly has been here how long? Who has more of an interest in our community/district? The one using it as a steping stone or the one who has lived/worked and raised a family here? We know Jolly isnt going anywhere... Toby is mearly at a pitstop. And... out of curiosity...did you read thier editorials in the H'burg American? How about listening to their interviews?! The audio interviews will show a whole new light on each candidate. I had not made up my mind completely (yes, i was leaning one way or the other) until I listened to each interview in whole. And the slavery question?! What was toby thinking?! :confused:Are you kidding me... it definately shows his immaturity. I am not saying one day he wont make a great opponent...but he still has some growing up to do. So, thanks H'burg American for helping me make up my mind! Thanks for posting the audio too, it shed a whole new light on my vote... :smt023

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Oh, in normal form SoMissTV got the panties in a wad because we talked about the "length of residency" issue when Erica McHard ran for District 101. You can talk about it all you want H'burg Lady, you can believe it is a relevant consideration to voters of this district.

Don't let SoMissTV's superciliousness and rule watching convince you this is not a relevant topic of discussion.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

H'burg Lady, is there anywhere online you can hear the interviews?

[H'burg Lady]

I absolutely think it is relevant! (and honestly cannot see why someone wouldnt consider it so) Well it's a poll... and I cant figure out how to place my vote..maybe moderator has to post it for me and if so, click me in for the grouchy old timer with residency and wisdom behind him :-D That's my vote.

Now, can any of you possibly tell me why residency shouldnt be an issue? How could you think a life long resident wouldnt have more of a vested interest than a newbie to the area?? He has paid taxes for a whole 2 months in our county and that suddenly makes him an expert on what we need? Sorry... i'll get off my soapbox... i just think its crazy not to think it is important! :confused: But then again, i am just a stay at home mom who watches Barney all day... lol.. maybe i miss the whole picture!:kekeke:

[H'burg Lady]

H'burg Lady, is there anywhere online you can hear the interviews?


Yes... that is where i heard them... Jolly is http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/assets/mp3/DB87731105.MP3

toby is http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/assets/mp3/DB87583104.MP3

i would love to hear your thoughts on the interviews... or anyones thoughts for that matter

[SoMissTV]

He has paid taxes for a whole 2 months in our county

He's lived in Hattiesburg for 7 years, nearly a third of his life. I'm not taking sides on this election, but I find it kinda dumb that of all the important aspects we could be discussing, we're worried most about someone's mortgage.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

He's lived in Hattiesburg for 7 years, nearly a third of his life.

:kekeke:

[H'burg Lady]

He's lived in Hattiesburg for 7 years, nearly a third of his life. I'm not taking sides on this election, but I find it kinda dumb that of all the important aspects we could be discussing, we're worried most about someone's mortgage.


OK... so aspects to discuss... age? immaturity? answers to relevant questions? experience? wisdom that comes with just living life? interest in the community? standings on important issues? answers to important questions?

Still does not change my vote when I take all of that into consideration... along with his mortgage... O MY... 7 years = 1/3 of his life!! woah... that is NOT good thing when your looking at someone who is going to be making decisions that will change my home town!

As if that isnt enough.. here ya go... http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=69930

nothing that a little googling cant give ya..but incase you dont have the time, or the want to...

http://www.jollymatthews.com/

http://www.tobybarker.com/

far be it for me to not be fair and link it all ;)

i have already linked you to the interviews of both candidates... Listen to it, read it...and then we'll talk about something other than "his mortgage". Although.. i will stand behind what i said...residency is a HUGE ISSUE.. so, residencey of 7 years vs. 60 years +/- ... come on!? I fail to see why that isnt as important.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Oh, I think most would agree it is important. Most folks understand these are valid topics individuals will indeed consider when they go into to the ballot box. Others, of course, in all of their infinite wisdom, may disagree and feel it isn't important, nevertheless the fact remains it is indeed a legitimate and common consideration that will come across the minds of many voters. So, if you think it a relevant consideration, you have a right to that opinion and should feel free to express it, despite the constant bellyaching and mischaracterizations of a few.

[Hob684]

i'm sorry but has anyone actually LISTENED to Toby's points?

seems no one can get past his age and that he just bought a house to actually see what he stands for.

Have any of you met Toby?

[wilebill]

Leave it to Beaver to stir the pot when it comes to elections.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

I have both met Toby and listened to his points, yes.

Have you met Jolly, and listened to his points?

I don't believe age or length of time in one's community should be a litmus test for political service, as do many people, but I do think it is relevant and perhaps even proper to place it in the mix of valid considerations when choosing a candidate to support in any election.

That's all I'm defending- the right to consider and talk about age and time in the community as a relevant factor in a political race.

[Hob684]

I have both met Toby and listened to his points, yes.

Have you met Jolly, and listened to his points?

I don't believe age or length of time in one's community should be a litmus test for political service, as do many people, but I do think it is relevant and perhaps even proper to place it in the mix of valid considerations when choosing a candidate to support in any election.

That's all I'm defending- the right to consider and talk about age and time in the community as a relevant factor in a political race.

Yes.

I agree its a point to consider just not a KEY point in this election. 90% of all people i've met who are votin for Matthews are hung up on this ONE issue.

[TDaleBeavers]

Toby Barker is 25 years old, which is one year younger than Joey Fillingane was when he defeated three older candidates and was first elected to the Mississippi House in 1999. Toby Barker is three years older than Jamie Franks was when he was elected to the Mississippi House in 1995. Barker holds as many degrees as Fillingane did when elected (two) and one more than Franks did (at the time) when elected.

Also, Fillingane did not move out of his parents house and purchase his own home until last year when preparing to run for the State Senate.

The fact is this is the 21st century, not the early 19th. Some of the antiquated reasons I am hearing for basing one's vote are making me nauseated! I believe Toby Barker has adequate experience to serve in the Mississippi House and frankly more education than a number of those who do serve.

[SoMissTV]

Have you met Jolly, and listened to his points?


Which points? The one that says he has served on the FGH Board of Directors for 20 years; the same board who authorizes large management salaries and allows nurses hours to be cut? Or the point about making sure his grandchildren are safe, even though they live in another state? Or the point about how he has lived in Hattiesburg all his life, values the education system, but can't even spell Rowan Junior High School correctly?

:)

[wilebill]

The fact is this is the 21st century, not the early 19th. Some of the antiquated reasons I am hearing for basing one's vote are making me nauseated!
I'm equally nauseated by reasons you give that a young person should be picked over an older person. One day when you're older you'll have a better appreciation of what experience brings to the table. I also believe your position is strictly self-serving anyway and if you were 60 years old you would have the direct opposite opinion.

I'm also of the opinion that that sort of mentality is what has put us in the political mess we're in, that politicians should make a career of politicking and whoever serves the longest wins. For some reason I don't think the founding fathers ever dreamed that someone would serve for decades as a legislator, much less aspire to do so.

This is not a slam on Toby or any other young person who runs, just a slam on a system that rewards those who can manipulate the system, and do so for a long period of time.

[Hob684]

This is not a slam on Toby

yes it is.

One day when you're older you'll have a better appreciation of what experience brings to the table. I also believe your position is strictly self-serving anyway and if you were 60 years old you would have the direct opposite opinion

So you're saying only experience brings about change for the common good?


lets remember people.. age does not always equal wisdom nor does experience = wisdom.

[wilebill]

yes it is.No it's not. It's a slam on TDB's position that older people have no place in politics because they will never be able to build up the seniority to play the game.



So you're saying only experience brings about change for the common good?


lets remember people.. age does not always equal wisdom nor does experience = wisdom.Again, you're picking out one of my posts and trying to use it to equate my position on the age of a candidate. If you'd look back, I said all things being equal, I feel the older candidate is a better choice. TDB feels the exact opposite of that, and I strongly disagree with him on this issue.

However, we know that very seldom, if ever, will all things be equal when it comes to candidates. All factors should be weighed into the equation and like several others have said, age is one of those factors. But you shouldn't automatically disqualify someone just because they're old and can't play the game like TDB thinks it should be played. The same goes for a young person, they shouldn't automatically be blown off because of that.

[H'burg Lady]

He's lived in Hattiesburg for 7 years, nearly a third of his life. I'm not taking sides on this election, but I find it kinda dumb that of all the important aspects we could be discussing, we're worried most about someone's mortgage.

Which points? The one that says he has served on the FGH Board of Directors for 20 years; the same board who authorizes large management salaries and allows nurses hours to be cut? Or the point about making sure his grandchildren are safe, even though they live in another state? Or the point about how he has lived in Hattiesburg all his life, values the education system, but can't even spell Rowan Junior High School correctly?

:)

Not taking sides? Is that what you stated earlier? Maybe I misread that statement. You are now going to say that everything that is printed he personally put on the printer and set the typeset? So a mispelling is his fault, not his printers..:smt103

You also need to check your facts... his grandchildren do NOT live in another state. :smt009 Sorry to dissappoint you on that as well...

Yes, I have listened to Toby's points, other than age... other than residency... i posted the links to that earlier. So i believe I have listened to both of thier points...we will never agree on everything... but we can agree on ONE thing... you are not "NOT TAKING SIDES".:smt102

[fuzzis]

Not taking sides? Is that what you stated earlier? Maybe I misread that statement. You are now going to say that everything that is printed he personally put on the printer and set the typeset? So a mispelling is his fault, not his printers..:smt103


It is his fault; his name is on it. It doesn't matter who did it...the ultimate responsibility is his. It shows an inattention to detail.

[SoMissTV]

Not taking sides?

You also need to check your facts... his grandchildren do NOT live in another state.

Yeah, I'm not taking sides. My point is, there are much better issues to discuss than just residency, his FGH association at a time of cutbacks being one of them. I could have done the same with Toby's website, but I chose to do Jolly's instead.

I didn't realize his grandchildren had moved back from Chicago to District 102. My apologies.

[H'burg Lady]

This is the first "poll" i have attempted to participate in... any particular reason it says "you cannot vote in this poll"? Have I made the moderator mad :bowrofl:

[SoMissTV]

everything that is printed he personally put on the printer and set the typeset?

What kind of printer prints out webpages? :)

[SoMissTV]

This is the first "poll" i have attempted to participate in... any particular reason it says "you cannot vote in this poll"? Have I made the moderator mad :bowrofl:

I would venture to guess that you do not have enough posts in order to vote.

[fuzzis]

This is the first "poll" i have attempted to participate in... any particular reason it says "you cannot vote in this poll"? Have I made the moderator mad :bowrofl:

You're not yet a full member of the community. Read our Wiki (http://www.myhattiesburg.com/wiki/).

[H'burg Lady]

[quote=SoMissTV;356599] I could have done the same with Toby's website, but I chose to do Jolly's instead.

quote]

I would love to hear your view on Toby's website...:confused: You know, since we arn't taking sides....

Also, I am curious... were they doing cutbacks at FGH while Jolly was on the board?:smt102

[H'burg Lady]

You're not yet a full member of the community. Read our Wiki (http://www.myhattiesburg.com/wiki/).
THANKS for the info... i wasnt sure lol.. also, i never meant to be this involved...just wanted to make a quick point that has turned into ....well, this!

[H'burg Lady]

What kind of printer prints out webpages? :)
Didnt know you were referring to a web page..i was reading for content, not for an english grade... I had assumed you may had been talking about some literature... but all the same, I dont believe he personally made his site either... :-)

[SoMissTV]

Also, I am curious... were they doing cutbacks at FGH while Jolly was on the board?:smt102

Well, they're making cutbacks right now, and Jolly's website is ambiguous as to whether he is currently serving on the board, so it's a valid assumption to make until the language on the website is cleared up.

[SoMissTV]

Also, "Navy" is spelled "Navey."

[fuzzis]

Didnt know you were referring to a web page..i was reading for content, not for an english grade... I had assumed you may had been talking about some literature... but all the same, I dont believe he personally made his site either... :-)

That's the thing, though...you don't put your name on something that is slip-shod and contains errors. His name is on it. Which means someone should have been proofing things. To have not...is indicative of laziness and disrespect to your possible constituency.

[H'burg Lady]

i'm sorry but has anyone actually LISTENED to Toby's points?

seems no one can get past his age and that he just bought a house to actually see what he stands for.

Have any of you met Toby?


Yes, I have listened to his points and his speeches... and read his information. Frankly his speeches/answers to questions thrown at him show his immaturity, which inevitably completes the circle and brings you right back to age... I never said young isnt good...and I never said he wasnt a worthy opponent.. I just dont think so this term. I am not "anti-toby"... I just feel like jolly has more qualifications I look for in someone who I am giving my vote to... our district is in depserate need of change.. and i dont know if from one republican to another is change enough..even though i am registered as a repulican voter..... i have to vote with the person, not the party. I think that is where we get into trouble to begin with.

[hellohello]

Seems to me the first words out of Mr. Matthews' mouth is always, "Mr. Barker is too young", and "Mr. Barker hasn't lived in Hattiesburg his entire life". Older does not always equal wiser; and equity does not always equate political intellect. Oh, and hello hello.

[H'burg Lady]

Seems to me the first words out of Mr. Matthews' mouth is always, "Mr. Barker is too young", and "Mr. Barker hasn't lived in Hattiesburg his entire life". Older does not always equal wiser; and equity does not always equate political intellect. Oh, and hello hello.


I guess I havent heard mr. matthews speak enough to know if that is what "always" comes out of his mouth first.

However, you would have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to realize age and residency will play a factor to alot of voters... whether we like it or not...whether we agree with it or not... and whether we think it is right... There are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum and you can't ignore it completely. That would be almost equal to saying you have to ignore that one is rep. and the other is dem. ... you can't ignore it completely....it ALL factors in to one end result... your choice of who to vote for.

[Fish-Bait]

How many 60 year olds are gonna vote for a 60 year old?

Now ask yourself. How many 28 year olds are gonna vote? Let alone it be for a 28 year old.

This is all hypothetical......

[hellohello]

I guess I havent heard mr. matthews speak enough to know if that is what "always" comes out of his mouth first. Settle. Settle. I used, "seems" there ma'am. You haven't heard him speak enough? Of course age and residency will be a factor for people to consider. But IMO to base a vote purely on those 2 recurring factors and ignoring key issues would suggest ignorance on my part.

[H'burg Lady]

Settle. Settle. I used, "seems" there ma'am. You haven't heard him speak enough? Of course age and residency will be a factor for people to consider. But IMO to base a vote purely on those 2 recurring factors and ignoring key issues would suggest ignorance on my part.

:kekeke: No need to settle me ... i was just making a comment. I would agree 100% that if you only use 1-2 factors to make your decision would suggest ignorance! Thus the reason I posted their interviews with the H'burg American earlier.. I lean toward one candidate over another... I am not going to hate the other... I have no reason. I wont bash one.. and dont think I have (of course I am sure now a quote will pop up suggesting otherwise lol)... i just took issue with the fact that we should "ignore" certain issues... I feel strongly that you should consider them ALL... good and bad and let the scales tilt where they may... thats all :smt102

So...good luck to both candidates... Maybe I will get to meet Mr. Barker an he will change my mind. I have heard him speak and listened to his interview and read his material... they suggest immaturity, but maybe a face to face will be different.. those first impressions are hard to break, but I am always willing to give it a shot.

I have hear Mr. Matthews speak.. was impressed. I have met him a time or two and was equally impressed when I asked him about a couple of issues. Even though he is on the other side of that party fence than I am, I was encouraged by his position on things.

So, ya know, to each his own... besides, I doubt this forum will make or break either candidate..but it is fun learning facts I didnt know and have learned a new place to come for information.

[kevin]

Toby has a lot of support and he Deserves this as dale has pointed out he is the best man be it a young man or not for the job IMHO.

[TDaleBeavers]

Wilebill.. I am not saying that older people shouldn't hold public office. As you know, I think the greatest President of the 20th Century was none other than Ronald Reagan, who was the oldest President in our history. You didn't hear me suggest that Lamar District 4 voters replace 71 year old Fred Hatten with Randy Thomley because Hatten was too old either. In that race, age didn't matter.

Nor do I think that older people shouldn't serve in the Legislature -- but I do have a real hesitation to having someone begin serving in the Legislature at an advanced age, because of the seniority issues I have raised. Seniority doesn't matter if you are electing a President, Governor, local supervisor or judge. However, in a legislative setting, seniorty is of critical importance. Why elect someone with a limited ability to gain that seniority? I'm simply saying that electing someone almost seventy years old as a freshman representative is a vote to give your district relative irrelavance. I personally don't think the Pine Belt is irrevelevant.

Furthermore, in a representative democracy, we should have a cross section of the public, including different age groups, in office. Parents with child in the public school system obviously bring a personal perspective and interest to education issues. Someone recently out of college brings a up close perspective to higher education. Certainly elderly members have a strong perspective on senior citizen issues.

[wilebill]

Wilebill.. I am not saying that older people shouldn't hold public office.
That's not what you were saying when Sebe Dale was running or when Harvey Fillingane was running. Your main point against them was that they were too old. Your discrimination against older candidates didn't just start with this thread, it's like your mantra or something.

[TDaleBeavers]

That's not what you were saying when Sebe Dale was running or when Harvey Fillingane was running. Your main point against them was that they were too old. Your discrimination against older candidates didn't just start with this thread, it's like your mantra or something.


Age was not the only argument raised by hubbarrister and others regarding Judge Dale, although I agree the people and not a sitting Governor, should decide who our judges are. Judge Dale is also 86 rather than 68 -- there's a big difference. I also raised many other arguments regarding Harvey Fillingane's candidacy other than age as well, such as policy positions.

I've voted for numerous older candidates in the past including Fred Hatten, Jim Patterson and some others.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Here is the bottom line:

Toby will not go down easily because he is Republican in a Republican district.

Coma, but, Jolly will likely peel away a good bit of GOP voters because a vast majority of the white Republican vote in this district are older Hattiesburg proper folks, many of whom are Jolly's age and have know him for years and years since they all grew up together in Hattiesburg. Remember, back when these folks were young, Hattiesburg was a small town and they all know eachother rather intimately. Further, there is a sizeable BVAP minority vote in this district which will also bolster Jolly's numbers.

It will be close, but I think Jolly may have a slight advantage despite being a Democrat in a majority Republican district (though this district will become less Red and more Purple as time goes by...)

You like it or not, age and time in this community will play a factor in this race. Period.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Yes... that is where i heard them... Jolly is http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/assets/mp3/DB87731105.MP3

toby is http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/assets/mp3/DB87583104.MP3

i would love to hear your thoughts on the interviews... or anyones thoughts for that matter

I just listened to the interviews....:kekeke:


If I have to hear Toby's heatwarming story about the homeless man in New Orleans again I am going to vomit. I've heard him speak now 3 times and he says the same, I mean the very SAME thing every time. It sounds all so, so rehearsed. Yuck.

Can't say I'm impressed with either candidate..

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Which points? The one that says he has served on the FGH Board of Directors for 20 years; the same board who authorizes large management salaries and allows nurses hours to be cut?
:)

I imagine when the board approved these salaries, they were under the impression Haley Barbour wasn't going to screw them in the a*& with medicaid reimbursement.

Besides, I understand management took a voluntary pay cut, specifically, Oliver took a 15% cut. So, your comment here is rather misleading, if not flat out incorrect.

[H'burg Lady]

I just listened to the interviews....:kekeke:


If I have to hear Toby's heatwarming story about the homeless man in New Orleans again I am going to vomit. I've heard him speak now 3 times and he says the same, I mean the very SAME thing every time. It sounds all so, so rehearsed. Yuck.

Can't say I'm impressed with either candidate..

You have to remember he doesnt have many life experiences to talk about yet... oops..let me not bring up age again! :evil:

Nonetheless, I dont think Jolly is on the board at the FGH currently (I will have to check my facts on that one) but even so, to assume he is responsible for the cutbacks is too funny :bowrofl:


As I said before, you have to weigh the good and the bad, on all issues, not just a select few, and see which way your scale tilts... As of now mine tilts jolly... maybe toby can do/say something to change that, but I'm with BDD... not with the homeless new orleans man story! :decision:

[TDaleBeavers]

BD, I don't disagree entirely with your analysis, and agree that this district is becoming increasingly a competitive district. I believe it will go +/- ten percent either way.

[jmack]

I believe age and experience don't always equal good representation.

I have worked in governenment almost all of my life and it is sometimes VERY refreshing to have a novice come on board.

[AlphaMale]

Our experienced leaders have given us a debt that increases 1.46 billion per day.

I am sure there some who are trying to do a good job, but so many get elected for the wrong reasons. I think a young businessman couldn't be any worse than an attorney (not that there's anything wrong with that.. Seinfield).

[Augustus McRae]

"...Call it in the air...."

[kevin]

Anyway you call it Mr. Gus this Race as all will land on TAILS!

[BlueDogDemocrat]

I think a young businessman

you use this term liberally....

But, yeah, generally I agree with most of what you said. This race will come down to political and personal preference. They are both lackluster, IMO.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

I believe age and experience don't always equal good representation.

I have worked in governenment almost all of my life and it is sometimes VERY refreshing to have a novice come on board.

And a 25 year old boy from Meridian who has only proven he can well recite the same overlyscripted answers again and again doesn't equal good representation either.

I have worked with both the eager young and the complacently old--- they both bring to the table their own unique set of disadvantages.

[EricStratton]

"yaw Name Is.....toby!"

[Kitty]

"yaw Name Is.....toby!"

And he's looking to put down roots in House District 102.

[H'burg Lady]

And he's looking to put down roots in House District 102.

We can only assume... we know the other has roots that are not going anywhere... i agree both have disadvantages with age, young and old... then again.......any politician is just that, a politician...and that in itself is a disadvantage...:eusa_liar

[BlueDogDemocrat]

And he's looking to put down roots in House District 102.


well, IMO, he is more likely only interested in sprouting roots in the 102 greenhouse. Given that he left his hometown apparently with no interest to return, and given he wants to get into Jackson politics at age 25, I wouldn't bet on him having any interest in putting down any long term permanent roots in this community.

[H'burg Lady]

...and what happens if/when he gets married? :smt102

How many of you were 25 and single, got married and nothing changed.. I am not saying he shouldn't change..he should, he is only 25.. he has alot of growing up to do...alot of decisions to make... alot will happen to change a 25 year olds life course... children, wife, family, etc... if he got elected at 25 here, do you honestly think he would remain here for another term at 29? No, this would be a stepping stool for the next, better and more powerful position he could run for... the beginning of a resume... and yes, before you tell me everyone has to start somewhere..yes they do, but not here... not with my home... I wish him luck on where ever it may be though, truly I do... But since these two are my options... my scale is tilted toward age, roots and knowlegable answers during interviews.....

[Maggie-Doodle]

well, IMO, he is more likely only interested in sprouting roots in the 102 greenhouse. Given that he left his hometown apparently with no interest to return, and given he wants to get into Jackson politics at age 25, I wouldn't bet on him having any interest in putting down any long term permanent roots in this community.

Sorry BDD, I am a democrat too BUT I will be voting for Toby in this election. I do not understand the reasoning you give in this post. There are alot of people who leave their home towns with no apparent interest to return there...many go on to politics in their new home towns...they can/have put down roots and try to make their "new" communities better by trying to make much needed changes... new blood in political circles is not a bad thing...

Will he make mistakes? I am sure of it...will he learn from it? I hope so! Will he do a good job? I think so! For sure he can't do any damn worse than some of the people that are there already...if he can't cut the mustard, we can always vote against him next election!

[BlueDogDemocrat]

i respect your views, Maggie! I really do. I understand the arguments on both sides.

[wilebill]

If that's a personal message from one member to another, it's against the rules to post it publicly.

[Hob684]

If that's a personal message from one member to another, it's against the rules to post it publicly.


no sir.. I have "Instant email notifications" turned on. Anytime someone posts a message i (near) instantly get a email with the post in the body of the email.

This was a post to this thread which was deleted.

My question is why delete it. Its obviously good politic'n material...

and also that the original poster of message would elaborate and provide enough of a credible source to be believable.


i edited the post i made to show the full email (minus headers and footers)

[Referee]

It was obvious the original poster had second thoughts about this message, so the post has been deleted. His post probably would have been deleted by the admin anyway if he had not done it himself.

[Hob684]

It was obvious the original poster had second thoughts about this message, so the post has been deleted. His post probably would have been deleted by the admin anyway if he had not done it himself.

apologies all around...

ya'll know ain't nothin as interestin as good gossip..

[Hob684]

www.tobybarker.com (http://www.tobybarker.com)

Toby has a new updated site for all those still on the fence about him.