Kurds may not like the Turkey they get by thanksgiving

[CircusRide]

I'm all for it. Maybe this is our way of blowing their shite away without having our fingerprints on the trigger.

[dollfus46]

This is one war I don't understand. The Kurds seem to be a peaceful group and I've never known Turkey to be aggressive. Puts us in a Catch-22 situation it seems. The Kurds love us and Turkey is one of our allies.

[Conveyor Belt]

And once Turkey jumps in, what's to keep Iran from pointing at Turkey while toeing the border? Seems like the beginning to a potenitally ugly scenario.

[dollfus46]

I'm pretty sure that we (the US) coined the term, "Catch 22". We seem to find ourselves in them often. It's what happens when the KISS Principle is not adhered to.

Turkey hates the Kurds in similar fashion to the way we dislike illegal immigration from Mexico. The Kurd population in Turkey is huge and expanding and the different ideologies don't play well, together. Turkey is affraid that Kurdistan will become too powerful if Iraq is divided along tribal sector lines. And remember, it was the Turks who put the screws to our original Iraq invasion plan. The original plan called of a large percentage of our Army and Marines to attack Baghdad from Turkey. Turkey holds a sleeve-full of Aces and carries a big stick.

To be fair, there is a rebel faction of Kurds that hate the Turks (have since the beginning of history). Last week these rebels (PKK) ambushed a Turkish recon squad, killing and capturing several Turkish troops. Supposedly, we are not aligned with this faction of more militant and radical Kurds who use tactics similiar to al qaeda and hezbollah, indiscriminatly targeting civilians.

Though Joe Biden's plan to partition Iraq sounds like the way to go to stop the sectular fighting in Iraq, Turkey will not let an independent Kurdish state stand.

Bottomline: Turkey controls nearly all the oil and material supply lines in that region. It is also assumed but not admitted that Turkey has nuclear weapons.

I've met Turkish army officers observing trainning at Camp Shelby. Once again, someone has our oily nads in their grip. If push comes to shove, we would not interfer with a Turkish invasion of northern (Kurdish) Iraq, even though that is were our only Iraqi Muslim allies reside. We are more likely to assist the peaceful Kurds in crushing their militant brethren (if they're willing) in a pincher move to assist Turkey, though I doubt we'll publically own up to it. The PKK are some bad mo-fo guerilla fighters but none can last against the Ottoman Empire should she decide to go nasty.
And it keeps on getting more and more knarled. Sounds like the Jews and the Palistanians when they split in the 40's or whenever it was.
I'd bet a gold guinea, if the Turks have Nukes, we supplied them for access to the middle east as a launching area and we signed the nuclear prolification treaty. No proof of that but it makes common sense.

[bpitt]

Looks like they're gonna do it......
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071025/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_iraq

[bpitt]

True dat, it's quite interesting the whole history of the 'crap' that's going on nowadays. The funny things is, everything ties together, somehow. I do try to keep up with the 'hotspots' around the globe. Just trying to figure out where our next point of admitted conflict will be. To be honest, I see Africa in the future, what with Darfur and many other 'unstable' spots. Namely those along the oil coast. But, it will probably be a while, we've to 'clean up' our mess in the mid-east first......

[dollfus46]

True dat, it's quite interesting the whole history of the 'crap' that's going on nowadays. The funny things is, everything ties together, somehow. I do try to keep up with the 'hotspots' around the globe. Just trying to figure out where our next point of admitted conflict will be. To be honest, I see Africa in the future, what with Darfur and many other 'unstable' spots. Namely those along the oil coast. But, it will probably be a while, we've to 'clean up' our mess in the mid-east first......

From what I'm hearing, it's coming along nicely, which is why the Dems have shutday upday. We've also just put a hot poker up Iran's a$$

[carsalesguy]

someone pass the stuffin'- i'm hungry

[dollfus46]

Turkey is poised to invade northern Iraq (Kurds). We use to get along with Turkey okay and have sold them much war material and trained them on their use. In fact, most of the supplies to OUR troops comes through Turkey. This Iraqi FUBAR just continues to get more fkd up. Maybe, it's a good time to pull out and let Turkey kick all their asses. They can, will, and you want see much of the carnage on the nightly news until its over. They'll shoot the hell out of cameramen, peace will be restored and you'll get over it. Oil might even come back down to $80 :smt103

Hawk, do you know what started all this mess between the Iraqi Kurds and Turkey? Seems kurds started it with a bunch of rebels crossing the border into Turkey, but I'm not sure that's even right. The Kurds can't be too bright. Turkey has U.S. sophistocated weaponry including jets.

[bpitt]

Tick, tick, tick............I didn't know Turkey has the 2nd largest army in NATO....
http://www.yahoo.com/s/718228

[bpitt]

And now Iran has shrugged off the new sanctions we've placed on them. The news this morning said it'd be hell if we went to war on Iran, because of the fuel situation, gas would go up futher in price. It's quite interesting to watch all this......not good....just interesting.......

[bpitt]

Now they're bombing some more.....
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/26/turkey.kurds/index.html