OK, vote for Hillary if you want to...

[CircusRide]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-ushill245429818oct24,0,1307385.story


"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked rhetorically, adding that the Magnolia State lacked "the communitarianism" and "openness I see in Iowa."

[just-Wynn]

"I was shocked when I learned Iowa and Mississippi have never elected a woman governor, senator or member of Congress," she told the paper Monday. "There has got to be something at work here." There is something at work here. Common Sense. :police: :) (tomatoes please ladies, no rocks. thanks.)

[Baloo]

What an idiot! She and Jane Fonda need to delcare residence in China, North Korea, Russia or Iran!!!!

[Elle May]

Cute, just-Wynn. Now go eat another donut.:laugh::laugh:

[just-Wynn]

Now go eat another donut. Just one? That IS harsh. geeze. I was thinking; how about a DonanElles steak flavored donut??? :police:

[Elle May]

Come on, we can fix you up. Probably gonna be a bonfire also.

[cubby 1]

I find it entertaining, yet offensive that Hillary Clinton seems to be running on the platform that she is a woman. That seems to be all I'm hearing. What REAL qualifications does she have? ....... none that I've seen. What accomplishments?.... none there either.

[RGDoherty]

She is a U.S. Senator (yawn, so is Teddy Kennedy and Harry Reid)
She was First Lady (O.K. let's see if Mamie Eisenhower would consider a bid)
She was an attorney (did sidestep the law on the whole whitewater deal that's gotta count for something)
She was a very prudent Cattle Barron too (sidestepped security trading laws on that deal too, who knew she was so astute as to cattle speculations????)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Come on, we can fix you up. Probably gonna be a bonfire also.

When???

[cubby 1]

She is a U.S. Senator (yawn, so is Teddy Kennedy and Harry Reid)
She was First Lady (O.K. let's see if Mamie Eisenhower would consider a bid)
She was an attorney (did sidestep the law on the whole whitewater deal that's gotta count for something)
She was a very prudent Cattle Barron too (sidestepped security trading laws on that deal too, who knew she was so astute as to cattle speculations????)

That aside, she's never run a state, or a city for that matter.

Barbara Bush, perhaps?

[RGDoherty]

She was incharge of Bill's Lockbox apparantly.....but I hardly think that counts Cubby.

[cubby 1]

She was incharge of Bill's Lockbox apparantly.....but I hardly think that counts Cubby.

agreed.:smt023

[ComputerDude]

If her stats are right about the state (No female governor..etc) then she's right.
Maybe you need to live outside this state for awhile to realize for the most part, this state is just a weeee behind the times when compared to most other states.

[Pirate_129]

If her stats are right about the state (No female governor..etc) then she's right.
Maybe you need to live outside this state for awhile to realize for the most part, this state is just a weeee behind the times when compared to most other states.

There are alot of highways leading out of this state too. :-D

[Baloo]

Since when has a woman in Mississippi, who was qualified, ever run for Govenor or the Senate? I don't think that we are behind the times at all. I think that women have every opportunity to do whatever they want to in Mississippi. :clap: I am so sick of the "Affirmative Action" crap! If people want "racism" to stop, then the government needs to start treating EVERYONE equal and quit allowing special privileges based on race, gender, nationality or whatever else the affirmative action laws allow. :confused:Hillary and her communist mindset and socilaist followers can all move to China! :smt105

[cubby 1]

Since when has a woman in Mississippi, who was qualified, ever run for Govenor or the Senate?

Evelyn Gandy.

[Baloo]

Thanks Cubby! I didn't know that...

[Ted]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Gandy

[Ted]

"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked rhetorically, adding that the Magnolia State lacked "the communitarianism" and "openness I see in Iowa."Hmmmmm - So - we're not as dumb as she Wishes we were?? ;)

[Baloo]

1959, Gandy was the first woman to be appointed Mississippi's Assistant Attorney General, and in the same year, she was elected Treasurer for the State of Mississippi, the first woman to be elected to a statewide constitutional office. As State Treasurer, Gandy was the first to require that state monies be maintained in interest bearing accounts. She was elected to a second term as State Treasurer without opposition. In 1972, she became the first woman elected as Insurance Commissioner for the State of Mississippi. As Insurance Commissioner, Gandy tightened insurance regulations and increased government scrutiny on the insurance industry. Gandy was eventually elected Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_Mississippi) in 1975, the first woman to hold that office in Mississippi, and one of the first women in the country to hold such seat in government.


Thanks for posting that link Ted! It looks like to me, that Hillary didn't do her homework and that Mississippi had in fact "the first woman to be elected to a statewide constitutional office." I need to brush up on my state history!

Way to go Ms. Gandy! I wish that SHE would run for Mayor of Hattiesburg! :clap:

[countrygirl]

Since when has a woman in Mississippi, who was qualified, ever run for Govenor or the Senate? I don't think that we are behind the times at all. I think that women have every opportunity to do whatever they want to in Mississippi. :clap: I am so sick of the "Affirmative Action" crap! If people want "racism" to stop, then the government needs to start treating EVERYONE equal and quit allowing special privileges based on race, gender, nationality or whatever else the affirmative action laws allow. :confused:Hillary and her communist mindset and socilaist followers can all move to China! :smt105


Didn't Evelyn Gandy run for governor? I know she was lt. governor at one time. I think she maybe ran a pretty good race if I'm not mistaken. I know there was discord about naming the Evelyn Gandy Parkway after her as according to the legislature, she wasn't dead...

[Ted]

You're welcome, Baloo.:smt001
If she ran for Mayor I'd sure vote for her!:clap:

I've voted for her every time she's thrown her hat in the ring -any ring- and I'll do it again if she gives me the chance.

[countrygirl]

Sorry, I didn't read far enough. As for me, I vote for the person that I think is right for the job...it doesn't matter what color, gender, or whatever they are. I think the problem that I have with candidates today is that I think they should be above reproach as far as morals go. If their morals are ok, THEN I will look at what they stand for. If someone is a liar and a cheat in one area of their life, then you can't trust them in other areas.

[jojobeans1120]

It doesn't matter how much progress we make, outsiders continue to look at Mississippi in the same way. Most of them are talking out their @$$ and don't have clue as to how things really are. They expect to come here and see us burning crosses and having Saturday night hangings too I suppose. I'm fed up with it. They assume they're everything stays the same here and that we're not capable of moving forward. Mississippi, as well as most other southern states, have moved forward in many areas, including race relations. Screw Hillary and everyone else that doesn't have a clue.... Republican, Democrat, black, white, purple, pink, or green.....
:kissmy: :pantsdown::kissmy:

[Scarlett O'Hara]

#@&% Yankees......Oh if I just wasn't a lady......What wouldn't I tell that varmit!!!!

[BlueDogDemocrat]

The first state to grant women the right to own and transfer real property, was yes ladies and gentlemen, the Great State of Mississippi, via the Mississippi Married Womens Property Act of 1839.

[countrygirl]

I guess if wishes were horses, it would be Christmas every day, but I do wish we had more folks like MS. Gandy in politics...honest and trying to do what's right rather than looking to further their own agenda. It just makes me sad that so many politicians, sports figures, movie stars, ect. are in the news so much today. We need better role models for our children.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

Evelyn Gandy is the finest person that ever graced the political landscape of Mississippi. She is truly Mississippi's first lady.

[CircusRide]

If her stats are right about the state (No female governor..etc) then she's right.
Maybe you need to live outside this state for awhile to realize for the most part, this state is just a weeee behind the times when compared to most other states.

Dumb@ss our Lt. Gov is a woman. Lt. Gov is the most powerful position in Jackson.
I can only think of one time that a woman has run for those offices (there might be one or two others that I'm forgetting). But, Mississippians wouldn't expect someone from outside the state, that wants to run their mouth about Mississippi negatively, to actually know anything about MS politics now would we?? Just like Hillary, running that mouth with no facts whatsoever.
Maybe those people need to find their way back north because we really don't want them here anyway. "A southern man don't need you around anyhow!"

[Guru]

I find it entertaining, yet offensive that Hillary Clinton seems to be running on the platform that she is a woman. That seems to be all I'm hearing. What REAL qualifications does she have? ....... none that I've seen. What accomplishments?.... none there either.

* If she is pushing the "I'm a woman issue" then all I can say is:

Pictures or it never happened!

[Guru]

Mississippi GOP Chairman Jim Herring predicted the statement would create "huge problems" for her (Hillary Clinton) in moderate Southern states like Arkansas, Virginia and Tennessee.

"I think it will hurt her (Hillary Clinton)," said Herring. "I think it's a big mistake for her (Hillary Clinton) to denigrate any state as a whole or any region. When she's (Hillary Clinton) talking about Mississippi, she's talking about the whole South. I assume that's some kind of strategic move on her part because she thinks she has no chance of winning here."

But Mary Carruth, director of the University of Mississippi's Sarah Isom Center for Women, invited Clinton to visit Mississippi to amplify her point.

That almost sounds like "Would you like to step outside so I can hear you better".
Maybe Mary is going to get her down here and rub her face in the gravel.

[jojobeans1120]

I can't understand why her statement hasn't gotten more attention. Typically when someone, Trent Lott and others as examples, say things like this, it is all over the media. I didn't hear a thing about it until yesterday. You would think that WDAM, or other local media outlets, would have been all over this.

[Ted]

Dumb@ss our Lt. Gov is a woman. Lt. Gov is the most powerful position in Jackson.Yep. I think Hillery is a dumb@$$ too.
Admittedly, she's very intelligent, but still a dumb@$$.
Dangerous combination.
Amy Tuck, our current Lt. Governor is indeed a woman.:smt001

I can only think of one time that a woman has run for those offices (there might be one or two others that I'm forgetting). But, Mississippians wouldn't expect someone from outside the state, that wants to run their mouth about Mississippi negatively, to actually know anything about MS politics now would we?? Just like Hillary, running that mouth with no facts whatsoever.
Maybe those people need to find their way back north because we really don't want them here anyway. "A southern man don't need you around anyhow!"You just reminded me - I sat at Roses Quick Stop and yakked with a couple of Arkansas National Guardsmen some years ago and they were unaminously overjoyed to have the Clintons completely out of the State. I'm guessing everybody else in Arkansas is glad to be rid of 'em too.:smt001 heh heh heh

[selmore]

What an idiot! She and Jane Fonda need to declare residence in China, North Korea, Russia or Iran!!!!



If Clinton is elected, Jan Fonda will be sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom.

[Guru]

If Clinton is elected Jane Fonda may be sleeping in Hillary's bed.

[selmore]

If Clinton is elected Jane Fonda may be sleeping in Hillary's bed.

thats funny right there

[SueScribe]

There is something at work here. Common Sense.

I submit that what the country needs right now is UNcommon sense. We've just about had it up to the economic and foreign policy gills with the common variety.

What an idiot! She and Jane Fonda need to delcare residence in China, North Korea, Russia or Iran!!!!

Jane Fonda? Again?? ROTFLMAO. :laugh: Where are the Swift Boat Boys when you really really need them ? :laugh:

I find it entertaining, yet offensive that Hillary Clinton seems to be running on the platform that she is a woman. That seems to be all I'm hearing. What REAL qualifications does she have? ....... none that I've seen. What accomplishments?.... none there either.

I'd lay you ten to one that if she ran on the platform that she wasn't a woman, you'd have even bigger problems. So. Hillary can't run as "a woman", but Rudy can run as "9/11 9/11 9/11" "America's Mayor", and Fred can run as . . something . . and Mitt can run as a Perfect Christian Man, and I Heart Huckabee can run as a Preacher Man, and John McCain can run as a former POW whose arms and legs were broken when he ejected from a plane he couldn't fly too damned well or he wouldn't have been ejecting from the sucker in the first place, and

My point is: Everybody runs as somebody. Sometime.

Miz Clinton is a woman. And, you know something else? She's going to be the next president of the United States. Therefore:

:clap: It's about time.

That aside, she's never run a state, or a city for that matter.

Barbara Bush, perhaps?

Babs Bush? Sure. Out of that entire dynasty, she likely has the bulk of the brainpower. We already know it didn't "trickle down."

There are alot of highways leading out of this state too. :-D

I wonder why?

:confused:Hillary and her communist mindset and socilaist followers can all move to China! :smt105

Naw. I hear they're moving here, right after they foreclose on the place.

Hmmmmm - So - we're not as dumb as she Wishes we were?? ;)

Nope. We're just as dumb as she thinks we are.

Mississippi GOP Chairman Jim Herring predicted the statement would create "huge problems" for her (Hillary Clinton) in moderate Southern states like Arkansas, Virginia and Tennessee.

That's too funny. "Moderate" ?? Tennessee and Arkansas ?? Herring needs to get out more. WAAAAY out. He can choose one of the many roads leading out to see what lies beyond . . The Village.

"I think it will hurt her (Hillary Clinton)," said Herring.

Herring is an idiot. He "think(s)" ?? Look here - Hillary Clinton can say that the entire state of Mississippi is filled with inbred half-breed nit-wits and it won't "hurt" her here. She knows that. My dog knows that. Reckon how long it took Mr. Herring to figure it out?

"I think it's a big mistake for her (Hillary Clinton) to denigrate any state as a whole or any region. When she's (Hillary Clinton) talking about Mississippi, she's talking about the whole South.

Unless Herring can produce scientific and reliable proof that Mississippi is representative of "the whole South", his comment is, at best, rhetorical wishful thinking and, at worst, another example of his idiocy.

However - the South is, and has for some time been, written off by the Democratic National Committee, with the exceptions of Virginia and (to a lesser extent), Florida. The Heart of Dixie, in Democratic campaign strategy, lies in Lynchburg, not Vicksburg.

What does this mean for Mississippi ? Not a lot, even when the Republican Party runs things, because the GOP believes that the Deep South, including Mississippi, is going to vote its way - or the highway - regardless. The RNC is an accomplished sound-bite machine, vis-a-vis The South. It knows the right words to invoke, the knee-jerk issues to float on the ballot, the right screw to turn in the Christian Coalition. As a result, there are not many federal incentives to do much for the state, with EITHER party in power.

Don't ya'll miss an occasional presidential campaign ad? I see pieces of ones run in Iowa or Minnesota or Illinois and think . . longingly . . how come we don't have those ?? *sigh* It's because we're a Wrap. That's why.

One party writes us off - the other takes us for granted. Pick your personal poison, but make no mistake - it's poison and pointless to progress.

I can't understand why her statement hasn't gotten more attention.

Because it's meaningless. Look West, young man. Look West.

[cubby 1]

I'd lay you ten to one that if she ran on the platform that she wasn't a woman, you'd have even bigger problems. So. Hillary can't run as "a woman", but Rudy can run as "9/11 9/11 9/11" "America's Mayor", and Fred can run as . . something . . and Mitt can run as a Perfect Christian Man, and I Heart Huckabee can run as a Preacher Man, and John McCain can run as a former POW whose arms and legs were broken when he ejected from a plane he couldn't fly too damned well or he wouldn't have been ejecting from the sucker in the first place, and

My point is: Everybody runs as somebody. Sometime.

Miz Clinton is a woman. And, you know something else? She's going to be the next president of the United States. Therefore:

:clap: It's about time.


Yes, everybody runs as somebody.... but not everybody runs on gender and not record. I'm not the biggest Rudy fan in the world.... but he has a record of running something. I'm not the biggest McCain fan in the world.... but he has a service record to our country that is to be admired. He is a long time senator from Arizona, and that is to be respected. Next time you want to smear a war veteran, let me know... I have an audience that would love to hear you.

Clinton is a woman.... true, but debatable...... The fact that she is a woman has absolutly no bearing on if she should be the next President of the United States of America! That being said.... NO! IT'S NOT ABOUT TIME!!!

Show me someone that has a record of accomplishments and is not simply a lawyer with a famous husband..... Then we can talk.

Oh yeah.... our soldiers thank you for your respect and admiration.

[TARZAN]

How can we put her in charge of a country when she couldn't even keep her marriage in order?


I was serious, I'd vote for sasquatch first

-Will

[TARZAN]

After reading this, I laugh....vote for Hillary, and in 4 years, all our fears will be proven.

-Will

[TARZAN]

I have no clue what you said

-Will

[fuzzis]

Clinton is a woman.... true, but debatable...... The fact that she is a woman has absolutly no bearing on if she should be the next President of the United States of America! That being said.... NO! IT'S NOT ABOUT TIME!!!

Show me someone that has a record of accomplishments and is not simply a lawyer with a famous husband..... Then we can talk.



What part of Clinton being a woman is "debatable"? Or is that just another bullshit cheap shot...and yet more evidence of why identifying as a woman is central to her campaign? Because she doesn't fit the picture of what someone thinks a woman should be?

Did she not have a child? How much more of a woman does it get than that?

Can we turn that kind of a bullshit statement around? Say, apply it to Fred Thompson? "Thompson is a man...true, but debatable..." Yeah, doesn't quite work does it? You know why? Because we wouldn't even think to say such about a MAN. It doesn't make any sense to say it about a...MAN...does it? But because a woman steps outside of some outmoded notion of what a woman should be? It's then "debatable" that she is in fact a woman? :smt105

As far as accomplishments, she's a Senator in her own right. (has been re-elected even. Quelle horruer!) For a lot of folks, that would be enough. If she were a (say it with me now...) MAN.

Come to think of it, you're a Thompson supporter, right? Hmmmm...yeah, he seems to have pretty much the same kinds of qualifications as Mrs. Clinton does. Funny that. Yeah, he was a prosecutor, but lawyer just the same (by all accounts, Clinton was excellent with judges and juries and was good for her clients). The difference would appear to be that he quit after one term and decided Hollywood was the better choice for him; she got re-elected.

Y'all better get it together and quick because hollow attacks like "it's debatable" and "no qualifications" when they're pretty damn close to every one else's in the race aren't going to get it done.

[pooker]

I am gonna be honest I don't know alot about politics and I try to vote but its honestly hard because I never know which one to put my faith in. I never really know which one to choose, because there never seems to be one set destined path of what each candidate has done right or wrong.

I can turn on the news and one person says something bad about the other and vice versa, its so confusing who is right!

[selmore]

As far as accomplishments, she's a Senator in her own right. (has been re-elected even. Quelle horruer!) For a lot of folks, that would be enough. If she were a (say it with me now...) MAN.

Come to think of it, you're a Thompson supporter, right? Hmmmm...yeah, he seems to have pretty much the same kinds of qualifications as Mrs. Clinton does. Funny that. Yeah, he was a prosecutor, but lawyer just the same (by all accounts, Clinton was excellent with judges and juries and was good for her clients).


fuzzis,

I believe the trailer has come off the hitch and is rolling down the road on its own.
what do you mean was a good lawyer? the GOP is gonna tear her apart.
THis is on simmer right now and on the back burner.

excerpts...

In January 1996, a long sought-after copy of billing records from the Rose Law Firm were identified and turned over to prosecutors by Carolyn Huber, a White House assistant to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Ms. Huber, herself a former Rose Law Firm employee, recognized the records and realized that they had been among papers that she had removed six months earlier from the First Lady's<!-- Link Tag --> book room (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/docs/floorplan.html) on the third floor of the White House.
The mysterious appearance of the billing records, which had been the specific subject of various investigative subpoenas for two years, sparked intense interest about how they surfaced and where they had been. Shortly after the discovery of the records, Hillary Clinton made history -- she became the only First Lady ever called to testify before a Grand Jury inquiry.
What They Reveal
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/art/bill1.gifMs. Clinton and her attorney have stated publicly that the billing records confirm that, as an attorney at the Rose Firm in the mid-80's, she was not significantly involved in the representation of Jim McDougal's savings and loan, Madison Guaranty.
According to the Rose records, Hillary Clinton billed Madison for 60 hours of work over a 15 month period. Ms. Clinton's attorney argues that this represents a de minimus amount of work and includes billings for work performed by Rose Finn lawyers working for Hillary Clinton at the time.
But Whitewater investigators believe that the billing records show significant representation. They argue that the records prove that Ms. Clinton was not only directly involved in the representation of Madison, but more specifically, in providing legal work on the fraudulent Castle Grande land deal.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/docs/recs.html


whitewater, rose law firm, travelgate, anyone??

[fuzzis]

If the GOP were going to tear her apart, it would have already started.

This is a retread of the same thing from her husband's tenure. They couldn't beat HIM, and they're not going to be able to beat HER.

Not that I support her. She's not the candidate I want elected, but the GOP can't beat her, particularly with the lousy set of candidates they've chosen to run against her. They've been practicing for the last almost 16 years, sharpening their claws...and it ain't happened yet. It ain't going to happen in the next year either.

[Guru]

It's a long and sorry list for the Clintons. I just read something above that I had not thought of, no veteran that I have met has any intention of voting for her and I have never seen one on TV or heard one on radio parading for her.
It's just my opinion but like Teddy Kennedy, she may have a local group of supporters that may allow her to remain in her local office but other than a segregate group it's all hype and just the desires of a few television companies that hope for their part that she might could stay in the headlines long enough to provide them with more ad time.
Just too much smoke and calamity in this camp. I won't even mention the conspiracy theory of all the folks affiliated with them that are now deceased. All conjecture but a lot of smoke; makes you wonder about the fire.
But, she is a woman they say so that will get her through a few more weeks before something else front page can be manufactured.

[TheCapitalist]

[quote=fuzzis;374478]What part of Clinton being a woman is "debatable"? Or is that just another bullshit cheap shot...and yet more evidence of why identifying as a woman is central to her campaign? Because she doesn't fit the picture of what someone thinks a woman should be?

Did she not have a child? How much more of a woman does it get than that?

Can we turn that kind of a bullshit statement around? Say, apply it to Fred Thompson? "Thompson is a man...true, but debatable..." Yeah, doesn't quite work does it? You know why? Because we wouldn't even think to say such about a MAN. It doesn't make any sense to say it about a...MAN...does it? But because a woman steps outside of some outmoded notion of what a woman should be? It's then "debatable" that she is in fact a woman? :smt105

I don't give a damn if she is woman, man, beast ,bitch or whatever. She is a socialist/communist and that is all i need to know. Have the republicans put up a conservative candidate, no. The only thing they agree on is spending my money for sob's that didn't earn it! It is a sad state of affairs when this is the field for president. Either the job sucks, or they are some power hungry, ingrained, political bastards. By what right? By who's standard? To each according to his need. From each according to his ability. Politicians suck. There is no one willing to govern. The Constitution SHOULD grant powers to the government, and all not granted are FORBIDDEN. As it stands, republican and democrat, there is nothing they think are beyond their reach. What happened? Pass a law, crappy and vague as it is, and it is left for the courts to figure out. There is no accountability. Is there anything above a politicians reach? :smt091

[Scarlett O'Hara]

It would be really nice if you didn't have to have millions of dollars of your own to be able to run. That seems to make the pickins slim.

[fuzzis]

I can respect someone who dislikes her for her political stance and leaves the rest of the bullshit out of it.

[Guru]

That is precisely why people need to get out and vote. Only about a 1/3 of the population does; at least that is what I am finding out, no stats but that is from people that work the polls and that is what they are being told as part of their orientation.
Elmer Fudd could be a step up or in my opinion he couldn't make anything worse.
I got a sneaky feeling that Al Gore is going to slip in before it's all over, if it's not past the deadline, and be a shoe-in.
But ... I am liking more and more about this Ron Paul guy.

[Guru]

Well if the lobbyists won't go to his office I'm afraid he ain't got a chance in hell. Tells me he can't be bought.

[Guru]

I know I would. I'd like to see some fresh meat in the upper level.

[CircusRide]

Some folks need to get that stick out of their ass. Can folks not even joke about this entire sorry bunch of candidates? Make no mistake, they're all sorry! Not a one of them is worth a shit!
It's embarrassing we can't do better than this group.
Is Hillary a man or woman? Who knows? Personally I think she's running to try and pull the same kind of poon her husband pulled.
Rudy, he's basically a democrat in GOP clothing. But by God he handled 911....
Fred......needs to shit or get off of the pot. His wife ain't that hot.
McCain...he's a vet yet really hasn't done anything to help the military but he helps the gays.
Mit, how many wives does he have, Romney......come on now.
Osama Bin Obama......ok, he's black, and his wife is a bitch. What else can he say..
Edwards......the man's got good hair! And he should for that price!
Ron, I look at poon all day, Paul .....Ross Perot and JFK all in one.

[CircusRide]

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[Guru]

If people could let go of their party affiliations and just go with what appears to be a good idea it could be a monumental turning point for this country to get an Independent in office. The word would be out but good. Get your chit together, we no longer are the only two choices.

[CircusRide]

Nope. No grandchildren.
Really, I've only got 2 kids. Neither are out of elementary school yet.

[CircusRide]

If he's on the ballot, he'll get my vote. He's just got to find a way onto it first. I'm not sure he can do that. Big money rules the world.

[TRIXR4KIDS]

Soooo, I know i am coming in a little far behind in this conversation and i pick up a few bits and pieces of this conversation... I am a female I do not know a lot about politics, BUT america is not NOT ready for a female to be pres. Point blank end of conversation. maybe a little further down the rd yes that would be fine but not now not in the state that our country is in.. AND if we were ready for a female pres it sure the hell would not be hillary she is going to ruin our country with her "beliefs"

[Guru]

Hey Trixie! How is school going?
I have no problem with a woman being President, I'd just prefer one that I respect and have some sort of confidence in. That Hillary and her husband just got wayyyyyyyy too much junk in their trunk.

[Honey]

What is this National ID card?

[Guru]

It lets you across the bypass bridge from Petal to Hattiesburg :D

[dreamhippy]

http://www.jb-williams.com/2-05-07.htm

More reasons why Hillary is WRONG for America.

I would be glad to vote for the right American woman. Hillary is not her.

[dreamhippy]

Ron Paul/President/2008 http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/images/smilies/hobbyhorse.gif Slay The Evil Doers http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/images/smilies/hobbyhorse.gif

[SueScribe]

. . ."In January 1996, a long sought-after copy of billing records from the Rose Law Firm were . . . whitewater, rose law firm, travelgate, anyone??

Haven't we Been There/Done That, or is the GOP poised to expend another ten million in taxpayer funds to dig around in the dumpsters in Little Rock?

You forgot Vince Foster. Remember Vince? Didn't the Clintons have him off-ed in a D. C. park or something? Isn't there an on-going investigation into Hillary's possible conspiracy to have her buddy Vince killed because he knew too much about Shirley Maclaine's house and that UFO ? . . .

. . . wait . . . maybe it was something at Roswell . . Yeah!! That's the ticket !! The Clintons have covered up the UFO incident at Roswell !! Yeah . . that's the ticket . .

It's a long and sorry list for the Clintons. . . . I won't even mention the conspiracy theory of all the folks affiliated with them that are now deceased. All conjecture but a lot of smoke; makes you wonder about the fire. . . .

Yeah, that's the ticket . . .

. . .I don't give a damn if she is woman, man, beast ,bitch or whatever. She is a socialist/communist and that is all i need to know.:smt091

Yeah . . yeah . . a commie . . .bitch . . .yeah, yeah . . .

Soooo, I know i am coming in a little far behind in this conversation and i pick up a few bits and pieces of this conversation... I am a female I do not know a lot about politics, BUT america is not NOT ready for a female to be pres. Point blank end of conversation. maybe a little further down the rd yes that would be fine but not now not in the state that our country is in..

Hey, doll. Don't look now, but . . the state the country is in - MEN did that. :smt118

[dreamhippy]

I remember WACO, and a Clinton was in charge.

[SueScribe]

I'm not the biggest McCain fan in the world.... but he has a service record to our country that is to be admired. He is a long time senator from Arizona, and that is to be respected. Next time you want to smear a war veteran, let me know... I have an audience that would love to hear you.
. . .
Oh yeah.... our soldiers thank you for your respect and admiration.

“Many years ago, on this day, I was able to intercept a surface-to-air missile with my own airplane,” joked McCain, “which was no mean feat to say the least.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/presidential-candidates/john-mccain/

That was one comment he made about his misfortune in `Nam. There are others, including (and I paraphrase) one that stated he wasn't "too good a pilot" or he wouldn't have been shot down.

Now. As to speaking to your group of friends?

Bring it on.

Sue

[rdawg]

Mississippi is not behind the times because of the lack of women in the senate, house , or governour's mansion. The poverty,the influence of old money, etc would put it behind the times, but that is prevalent in many a state. This move for diversity, i mean discrimination, has moved from the private sector to politics. however i guess it was the politicans who intialized AA. It is what it is, and I believe the American people are smart enough to choose the best qualified candidate to represent their party, and their country. However there was a John Kerry representing the demos last time.

[ComputerDude]

Whether you agree with Bush or not, you must respect his willingness to take it on the chin, over and over, as he stands firmly behind his core beliefs, no matter how unpopular that becomes.

I think I want to vomit.
Actually I think I did a little just now.
His core beliefs have made this country the red headed step-child of the planet. His little Iraqi skirmish (which he claimed victory on something like three years ago?) has gone on longer then World War II.
Bush can't get out of office FAST ENOUGH in my opinion.

[TheCapitalist]

Haven't we Been There/Done That, or is the GOP poised to expend another ten million in taxpayer funds to dig around in the dumpsters in Little Rock?

You forgot Vince Foster. Remember Vince? Didn't the Clintons have him off-ed in a D. C. park or something? Isn't there an on-going investigation into Hillary's possible conspiracy to have her buddy Vince killed because he knew too much about Shirley Maclaine's house and that UFO ? . . .

. . . wait . . . maybe it was something at Roswell . . Yeah!! That's the ticket !! The Clintons have covered up the UFO incident at Roswell !! Yeah . . that's the ticket . .



Yeah, that's the ticket . . .



Yeah . . yeah . . a commie . . .bitch . . .yeah, yeah . . .



:smt118
I said i didn't care if she was a ... not that she was. Read. Read. READ.
Didn't argue the socialist point, though... Because you can't.

[cubby 1]

What part of Clinton being a woman is "debatable"? Or is that just another bullshit cheap shot...and yet more evidence of why identifying as a woman is central to her campaign? Because she doesn't fit the picture of what someone thinks a woman should be?

Did she not have a child? How much more of a woman does it get than that?

Can we turn that kind of a bullshit statement around? Say, apply it to Fred Thompson? "Thompson is a man...true, but debatable..." Yeah, doesn't quite work does it? You know why? Because we wouldn't even think to say such about a MAN. It doesn't make any sense to say it about a...MAN...does it? But because a woman steps outside of some outmoded notion of what a woman should be? It's then "debatable" that she is in fact a woman? :smt105

As far as accomplishments, she's a Senator in her own right. (has been re-elected even. Quelle horruer!) For a lot of folks, that would be enough. If she were a (say it with me now...) MAN.

Come to think of it, you're a Thompson supporter, right? Hmmmm...yeah, he seems to have pretty much the same kinds of qualifications as Mrs. Clinton does. Funny that. Yeah, he was a prosecutor, but lawyer just the same (by all accounts, Clinton was excellent with judges and juries and was good for her clients). The difference would appear to be that he quit after one term and decided Hollywood was the better choice for him; she got re-elected.

Y'all better get it together and quick because hollow attacks like "it's debatable" and "no qualifications" when they're pretty damn close to every one else's in the race aren't going to get it done.


Ok. Let me be more specific.... she looks like a dude.

I'm not voting against her simply based on the fact that she has a vagina, believe me, I'm not. Yes, she has been a senator.... That being said, she has still not run a state or a city. I don't know that I can put her in office based on that. That aside, I totally disagree with most of her ideas and principles.

Obama has been elected a senator.... don't like him, either. I don't believe what he believes... But that is the beauty of America. I have the right vote for who I want to vote for, and to push who I want to push. I also have the right to say what I want about Hillary. Everyone else gets crap talked about them, why can't Hillary have crap talked about her? Does it hurt her womanly feelings? No. She has shown absolutlely no emotion as far as that goes.

Fred is the candidate that I most closely identify with. I have said that from the beginning.

Make no mistake, Hillary being a woman is not what I have against her.... Hillary being Hillary is what I have against her. I just plain don't like her. I simply think the situation would be different if a man was running on the basis of him being a man. The woman argument doesn't make a difference to me, but PLEASE have something other than that to back up your point.... Universal healthcare is certainly not the way to go, either.... That's just one more step toward Communism. Is that the America you want? I know I don't want that.

[cubby 1]

“Many years ago, on this day, I was able to intercept a surface-to-air missile with my own airplane,” joked McCain, “which was no mean feat to say the least.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/presidential-candidates/john-mccain/

That was one comment he made about his misfortune in `Nam. There are others, including (and I paraphrase) one that stated he wasn't "too good a pilot" or he wouldn't have been shot down.

Now. As to speaking to your group of friends?

Bring it on.

Sue

Let's put you in a POW position and see what you say about it. Please have some respect for someone who served our country.

[Guru]

I thought about this last night and again this morning but there was a quote I wanted to put here from some ordinary person who has become a dignitary to the American public.

Just to hit it as close as I can and this will just be close:
* I did my duty for my country and it allows people to say what a no good country we have, allows people to spit on the flag, allows people to burn the flag; but we all did this so that they would have to the right to do all these things no matter how mad it makes me. We are free here, and these people who do nothing but btch are free to sit on their lazy a$$es and btch about everything they had no hand in providing and are only providing a lot of hot air the rest of us have to listen to. But we are free, a free nation.

[jkspatty]

I thought about this last night and again this morning but there was a quote I wanted to put here from some ordinary person who has become a dignitary to the American public.

Just to hit it as close as I can and this will just be close:
* I did my duty for my country and it allows people to say what a no good country we have, allows people to spit on the flag, allows people to burn the flag; but we all did this so that they would have to the right to do all these things no matter how mad it makes me. We are free here, and these people who do nothing but btch are free to sit on their lazy a$ and btch about everything they had no hand in providing and are only providing a lot of hot air the rest of us have to listen to. But we are free, a free nation.


We absolutely have a hand in making this country what it is. We provide the funding for one thing. I'm certain there are plenty of people who sit on their "lazy asses" and bitch. However, the majority of people are honest, hard working, tax paying citizens who want the best for this country and this planet. And when things are going horribly wrong within our government we have the right and the obligation to not only complain about it but to also do whatever we possibly can to change it. I respect our military 100% for the job that they do. I know several people in the military and NONE of them believes we should not complain about our government especially the current administration. As a matter of fact, they are complaining themselves!

[Guru]

:smt023

[amanda]

I refer people to my signature.

[dreamhippy]

Hillary doesn`t have what it will take to save this nation. She would only make things worse.<V:p</V:p<O:p</O:p

[dreamhippy]

Ann Coulter, maybe.

[dollfus46]

These are TRUE Quotes from the woman running for president

"Where is the G-damn f***ing flag? I want the G-damn f***ing flag up every f***ing morning at f***ing sunrise."
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 - Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day, 1991)

"You sold out, you mother f***er! You sold out!"
(From the book "Inside" by Joseph Califano, p. 213 -

Hillary yelling at a Democrat lawyer.)

"F**k off! It's enough that I have to see you shit-kickers every day, I'm not going to talk to you too! Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 90 - Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good Morning.")

"You f***ing idiot"
From the book "Crossfire" p. 84 - Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event.)

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f***ing ass over here and grab those bags!"
(From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.)

"Get f***ed! Get the f**k out of my way!!! Get out of my face!!!"
(From the book "Hillary's Scheme" p. 89 - Hillary's various comments to her Secret Service detail agents.)

"Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! Just f**king do as I say, Okay!!!?"
(From the book "Unlimited Access", by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge, Gary Aldrige, p. 139 - Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail)

"Where's the miserable c*ck sucker?"
(From the book "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5 - Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer)

"Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!"
(From the book "Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72 - Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One.)

"Son of a bitch." (From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 259 - Hillary's opinion of President George W. Bush when she found out he secretly visited Iraq just days before her highly publicized trip to Iraq)

"What are you doing inviting these people into my home? These people are our enemies! They are trying to destroy us!"
(From the book "The Survivor" by John Harris, p. 99 - Hillary screaming to an aide, when she found out that some Republicans had been invited to the Clinton White House)

"Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't f**k her here!!"
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243 - Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female at an Arkansas political rally)

You know, I'm going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I'm going to start thinking of her as a human being? - Hillary Clinton
(From the book "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" by Peggy Noonan, p. 55)

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices... Government has to make those choices for people"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hasert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care pla n)

"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe" Hillary in 1996"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - Hillary in 1996)

This ill-tempered, violent, foul mouthed, hateful and abusive woman wants to be your president and have total control, as commander-in-chief of our Military, the very Military for which she has shown incredible disdain throughout her public life. No thanks. The United States can easily do better than this.

[Scipio]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16099751


A Chance Encounter with Clinton
I followed Clinton during a recent bus tour across Iowa, when she and her entourage pulled into a Maid-Rite, a greasy spoon famous for its loose-meat sandwich. Clinton settled into a red stool at the counter, ate a sandwich, chatted with her waitress and then was on her way.
The scene gave Clinton perfect fodder for her next few stump speeches. Turns out her waitress was a single, working mom — just the kind of voter Democrats are courting aggressively this year.
Clinton recalled the meeting for an audience up the road in Boone. "The woman waiting on us — it was her first day," she said, adding, "She was a little nervous. Single mom, raised two boys, works at a nursing home and always has a second job."
If she's elected president, Clinton promised, people like her waitress will have it better.
The way Clinton eased the waitress into her rhetoric is something repeated day after day, by all the campaigns. But in the process, people like the waitress don't always have their stories told.
'Nobody Got Left a Tip'
"I wished I would have been asked first," the waitress, Anita Esterday, said of Clinton's decision to insert her in a speech, adding, "I wish she would have asked if she could talk about me later. I didn't like it when someone called me up and said Hillary Clinton is talking about you. It's like, what'd I do now? What's she saying?"
When I returned to the Maid-Rite a few weeks later, Esterday said the senator had caught her off guard. But once they got talking, she was honest with Clinton about her need to work two to three jobs.
"I've been doing it all my life. Why should it change now that I'm old?" Esterday said.
Esterday does not think Clinton got it. "I don't think she understood at all what I was saying," Esterday said, adding, "I mean, nobody got left a tip that day."
Clinton may have decided not to tip. She was also never given a bill — her meal was on the house. Still, Esterday said Clinton might have left her something: "Maybe they don't carry money, I don't know."
Turns out the visit hurt Esterday in another way. The local paper ran photos of her with Clinton. She said her supervisor at the nursing home isn't a big Hillary Clinton fan, and she thinks that may be related to why her hours were almost totally cut.
Now, Esterday is looking for a different second job. Still, she said she's not upset that Clinton visited the restaurant.
"I got my 15 minutes of fame out of the world," Esterday said. "There you go. I got her autograph. That's something I'll treasure forever."
But as far as the attention she's received? "It hasn't helped me. It's made things worse."
Still, Esterday doesn't blame Clinton; she says she may even vote for the former first lady. She's also considering voting for Barack Obama.


Sweet Christ. They didn't leave a tip. Friend of the working man my ass.

[dreamhippy]

If she votes for a Dem, as soon as she has EARNED her way up from the minimum wage they will raise the minimum wage again and take her raise away from her in order to patronize those who will never earn their way up because parasitism is okay with them.

[Astra]

Somehow, quotes that reflect badly on Hillary Clinton being found in books called things like "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" and "The Truth About Hillary" don't exactly surprise me.

[bpitt]

She's a b***h, plain and simple.

[Conveyor Belt]

Somehow, quotes that reflect badly on Hillary Clinton being found in books called things like "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" and "The Truth About Hillary" don't exactly surprise me.

Just to be fair, where would you rather the quotes come from to find them more reputable?

[Astra]

Just to be fair, where would you rather the quotes come from to find them more reputable?
Coming out of her mouth and in context. It's just too easy to take the word of a tell-all as truth. Even if you take them as a collective pool of information (and assume they weren't all milking the same inside source who hopefully didn't have too large of an ax to grind) the biggest inference I'd feel comfortable making is that she does curse and may have a temper.

If you took any of us here and reduced us down to a handful of quotes, cherry-picked to be us in our worst mood, maybe eliminated some of the context for brevity's sake, I'm sure we'd all end up sounding like pretty lousy people.

I'm also curious if Dollfus actually owns those books and articles and gathered the list himself or (if I suspect) it came as a forwarded email. I make it a habit to take anything I read in those things with a metric ton of salt. It's just to easy to spread misinformation (if not total lies) that way.

And that goes for all candidates, not just Hillary Clinton.

[dollfus46]

Somehow, quotes that reflect badly on Hillary Clinton being found in books called things like "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" and "The Truth About Hillary" don't exactly surprise me.

I'm not sure if you made a point here or not. "The Case For Hillary" found in books wouldn't surprise me either. You can bet if they are lies, somebody would get the daylights sued out of them, don't you think? I tend to believe stuff like this rather than discount it. It fits from what I've heard in the past and if it wasn't true, the author would be ripped and sued for his last pair of shorts, I would think. So my question is, assuming it's true, do you feel it doesn't interfere with her ability to lead? So it is to be discounted? Or it goes to the character of the person and does mirror the character of the people of the U.S.? I posted it because I had mentioned it before, and someone posted that they'd never heard about such behavior. I 'spose we each have different reasons for voting for/against a candidate. This is one for me to vote against Hillary, but I'm not so narrow minded that it's good enough by itself.

[dollfus46]

Just to be fair, where would you rather the quotes come from to find them more reputable?

Correct. A very fair and balanced question, CB. It has to be factored into their decision somewhere either as important or unimportant. Are we putting stock into it because it supports our beliefs or poopooing it because it doesn't. Or do we consider it with an open mind? i can't answer that. If I'm honest with myself, I tend to act on the former.:oops:

[dollfus46]

If people could let go of their party affiliations and just go with what appears to be a good idea it could be a monumental turning point for this country to get an Independent in office. The word would be out but good. Get your chit together, we no longer are the only two choices.

Unfortunately, Guru, If if's and buts were candy and nuts.......

[dollfus46]

Nope. No grandchildren.
Really, I've only got 2 kids. Neither are out of elementary school yet.

Well fortunately you won't have any either. They're giving your kids condoms. What? You didn't know?:faintthud

[dollfus46]

Coming out of her mouth and in context. It's just too easy to take the word of a tell-all as truth. Even if you take them as a collective pool of information (and assume they weren't all milking the same inside source who hopefully didn't have too large of an ax to grind) the biggest inference I'd feel comfortable making is that she does curse and may have a temper.

If you took any of us here and reduced us down to a handful of quotes, cherry-picked to be us in our worst mood, maybe eliminated some of the context for brevity's sake, I'm sure we'd all end up sounding like pretty lousy people.

I'm also curious if Dollfus actually owns those books and articles and gathered the list himself or (if I suspect) it came as a forwarded email. I make it a habit to take anything I read in those things with a metric ton of salt. It's just to easy to spread misinformation (if not total lies) that way.

And that goes for all candidates, not just Hillary Clinton.
Actually it was a forwarded Email, but I made no claims as to it's truthfulness. Like you said, that's for you to decide. I actually wouldn't take the time nor spend the money to verify it on someone I wouldnt vote for.Perhaps I should have put a "disclaimer" under it. I apologize. But I'd heard Secret Service men say as much on National TV. Not the exact wording but the disrespect and disdain she has and showed for others in her employ. So I tend to buy into it. I don't think she's a nice person.

[Astra]

I'm not sure if you made a point here or not. "The Case For Hillary" found in books wouldn't surprise me either.
Me neither.

You can bet if they are lies, somebody would get the daylights sued out of them, don't you think?
Not necessarily.

I tend to believe stuff like this rather than discount it. It fits from what I've heard in the past and if it wasn't true, the author would be ripped and sued for his last pair of shorts, I would think.
Why do you think that? I haven't heard a lot of libel suits being filed from the Clintons. If any presidential candidate were to speak out on every negative comment written about them, they'd never shut up.
So my question is, assuming it's true, do you feel it doesn't interfere with her ability to lead? So it is to be discounted? Or it goes to the character of the person and does mirror the character of the people of the U.S.?
So what if they're true? They're a handful of quotes with no context. How am I supposed to know if she's really got anger management issues or if maybe whoever sparked her remarks had done something that understandably set her off?

I've honestly never seen any other candidate have their "ability to lead" questioned based on the occasional use of profanity or anecdotes of a short temper with bodyguards.

I posted it because I had mentioned it before, and someone posted that they'd never heard about such behavior. I 'spose we each have different reasons for voting for/against a candidate. This is one for me to vote against Hillary, but I'm not so narrow minded that it's good enough by itself.
I'd never heard of such behavior either. I just can't comprehend judging anyone based on a list with no context.

[Astra]

Actually it was a forwarded Email, but I made no claims as to it's truthfulness. Like you said, that's for you to decide. I actually wouldn't take the time nor spend the money to verify it on someone I wouldnt vote for.Perhaps I should have put a "disclaimer" under it. I apologize. But I'd heard Secret Service men say as much on National TV. Not the exact wording but the disrespect and disdain she has and showed for others in her employ. So I tend to buy into it. I don't think she's a nice person.
So why on earth did you post it without saying as such? How do you know you're not just spreading more of the same bullcrap that goes around every election? How do you know the books you are effectively quoting even contain the quotes in the email?

[dollfus46]

I think I want to vomit.
Actually I think I did a little just now.
His core beliefs have made this country the red headed step-child of the planet. His little Iraqi skirmish (which he claimed victory on something like three years ago?) has gone on longer then World War II.
Bush can't get out of office FAST ENOUGH in my opinion.

:offtopic: :icon_slee I respectfully make a motion that unless someone can offer a new argument pro or con about Bush and the war in Iraq, that we cease subjecting everyone to the same old tiresome arguments. If you must repeat old stuff, save yourself and us time by just making a link to a previous post. Then we can just click it and read it again and again and again.:headbang:

[dollfus46]

So why on earth did you post it without saying as such?
1. Because I can. 2. We all post stuff we find "interesting" without doing major research on it. Does anyone have to have proof about everything? Or just the ones you disagree with? Everyone here saw the same thing I did, in the same manner and format as I did, and had the same opportunity to decide it's validity as I did. You want know if it's true? Do the research yourself.

How do you know you're not just spreading more of the same bullcrap that goes around every election? How do you know the books you are effectively quoting even contain the quotes in the email?
I didn't see you demanding validity or questioning the "fact" that it's Christians who behave in an un-Christian manner on another thread that you were posting on. Why? Because you're a non-Christian. Let's not dabble in hypocrisy. [/quote]

[Astra]

1. Because I can. 2. We all post stuff we find "interesting" without doing major research on it. Does anyone have to have proof about everything? Or just the ones you disagree with? Everyone here saw the same thing I did, in the same manner and format as I did, and had the same opportunity to decide it's validity as I did. You want know if it's true? Do the research yourself.
You posted it without saying that it wasn't even something you'd written. It wouldn't have looked very good for you had you posted it and the quotes turned out to be completely made up, would it?

I didn't see you demanding validity or questioning the "fact" that it's Christians who behave in an un-Christian manner on another thread that you were posting on. Why? Because you're a non-Christian. Let's not dabble in hypocrisy.
They aren't the same thing and my personal religious views are not the subject of this thread.

[dollfus46]

You posted it without saying that it wasn't even something you'd written. It wouldn't have looked very good for you had you posted it and the quotes turned out to be completely made up, would it?
Not look good for me in what way? You knew it was a forwarded Email and said as much. Which I acknowledged. Quotes still may not be acurate. You can decide for yourself to believe them or not on face value or go do the research. I acknowledge that I should have spent more time explaining that but I didn't; for what reason I don't remember. It wasn't to deceive, I assure you. So shoot me.:confused:

[dollfus46]

They aren't the same thing and my personal religious views are not the subject of this thread.

Okay, let's not dabble in hypocracy, when you don't demand factual accuracy on posts you agree with. The accuracy of an "interesting" email wasn't the subject of the thread either.

[Astra]

Dollfus, I've tried to answer every post you directed at me and I've done my best to explain why I am suspicious of things like that. Your insistence that I do not question things I agree with is bull - I wouldn't agree with something if I wasn't aware of the context that came with it, which was exactly what I tried to explain. Now you want to drag religion in, and I refuse to play the game. I've been civil, I explained why I was skeptical, and I tried to answer questions satisfactorily. I'm done with you in this thread.

[dollfus46]

Astra disagrees: You need to check your definition of hypocrisy and leave me alone

I'm positive you're the one who made such a big deal out of my post in the first place. Leave YOU alone? I believe, I'll verify though, that I quickly acknowledged and apologized for my error accepting responsibility for it. You should have left it alone then, but you're the one who kept after me. Now, you want to drop it, I'll be glad to.

[dreamhippy]

I think the American populace would prefer to have B.O. than Hillary.

[dreamhippy]

'Hillaryfans':o<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p
A grade school
teacher in upstate <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:State u2:st="on"><U1:pNew York</U1:p</u1:State>
asked her class how many of them are Hillary fans. Not really knowing
what a Hillary fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the
kids raised their hands except one boy. The teacher asked Johnny why he has decided to be
different. Johnny says, "I'm not a Hillary fan." The teacher
says, "Why aren't you a Hillary fan?" Johnny says,
"I'm a George Bush fan"<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p
The teacher asks
why he's a George Bush fan. The boy says,"Well, my mom's a George Bush fan and my dad's a George
Bush fan, so I'm a George Bush fan!"<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
The teacher
asks,"If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot,
what would that make you?" So Johnny replies,"That would make me a Hillary fan."<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p<O:p</O:p