View Full Version : Oil Cavern Project to dump 50 million gallons of salt slurry into Gulf daily
SoMissTV
11-01-2007, 10:06 AM
Why is this not a story (http://www.al.com/news/press-register/index.ssf?/base/news/1193909161174920.xml&coll=3) in the Hattiesburg American? Stupid paper...
The U.S. Department of Energy plans to draw 50 million gallons of water a day from the Pascagoula River for five years to hollow out a massive salt dome that will become part of the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve...
Once the salt has been liquefied, it will be pulled out of the cavern as a slurry, piped about 80 miles to the coast, then dumped into the Gulf of Mexico, creating an extra salty area around the Pascagoula Ship Channel that will be miles wide, according to federal documents.
It's going to wreck heck with the local environment.
Hob684
11-01-2007, 10:10 AM
i wonder how many millions this company will lose in lawsuits from fishermen, shrimpers, etc.
RGDoherty
11-01-2007, 10:12 AM
What the ???????? sounds like they are wanting to make another Dead Sea out of an area of the Gulf......Why don't the run the pipe 80 more miles into that 5000 foot deep water than can handle the dispersion????
RGDoherty
11-01-2007, 10:13 AM
This company is Our Government Hob.......for strategic reserves.
bpitt
11-01-2007, 10:14 AM
Well now, that's just screwed up......
RGDoherty
11-01-2007, 10:16 AM
Wait a minute I think I see their reasoning now......they are thinking if they dump the salt slurry into fresh water, it will make the water about isotonic with seawater.....basically making brackish water as far up as Hurley?????? I don't know that might be what they are thinking here, but it still upsets the natural eco system and I'm against that.
I'm betting this will become a dispersion project before it's over with. Preliminary plans seldom come out with all the details. It's just too evident that this would be a problem, I'm betting there is more to come.
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 10:18 AM
You are goin' to be able to catch redfish and specks in Merril. Don't even bother to fish the mouth of the Pascagoula when this thing cranks up....
Goodbye fishin' holes. I loved ya' while I could...
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 10:19 AM
This is a good reason to call in some tree huggers...I think....I dunno....goodby cypress swamp......goodbye Mr. Blue Crab....hello defunct wasteland....263 ppt....jesus...
SoMissTV
11-01-2007, 10:20 AM
I'm betting this will become a dispersion project before it's over with. Preliminary plans seldom come out with all the details. It's just too evident that this would be a problem, I'm betting there is more to come.
The saltwater dumping plan has already received federal approval in current form.
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 10:23 AM
The saltwater dumping plan has already received federal approval in current form.
Did the corps have anything to do with it?
R1ZOOM
11-01-2007, 10:27 AM
Why is this not a story (http://www.al.com/news/press-register/index.ssf?/base/news/1193909161174920.xml&coll=3) in the Hattiesburg American? Stupid paper...
Because that would actually be something useful, and they might actually get the story correct if they didn't have to originate it...
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 10:31 AM
I have been wondering why we have been gettin' calls from the pipin' manufacturers...They weld a mile of pipe together and put it on a "reel" look at this pic....just take the derrick off and you have yourself a reel boat....hmmmm....
Guys I hope I don't have to tell Jr. one day that "we used to fish there, that's where you caught your first speckled trout."
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 10:33 AM
What the ???????? sounds like they are wanting to make another Dead Sea out of an area of the Gulf......Why don't the run the pipe 80 more miles into that 5000 foot deep water than can handle the dispersion????
Because that would make good sense to run it that far out....But NNNNNNOOOOOOO......can't have that...
bpitt
11-01-2007, 10:35 AM
Oh, I got a solution, why not make saltwater taffy out of it, then they'd not have to dump it in our gulf.
The saltwater dumping plan has already received federal approval in current form.
* Oh, no doubt. But the details and sub-details and sub-sub-details and sub-sub-sub-details only come out if somebody twists their tail enough.
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 11:16 AM
Oversight Committee: def:- When the government approves a project and has no freakin' Idea of what in the hell they are doin'...
Oversight...not looking at the details just the money....a total "oversight"
58ford
11-01-2007, 11:32 AM
So, the brackish water species will leave the sound because of the salt, & the saltwater species won't come in because of the turbidity. So, they're gonna turn the sound into a big wet desert.
bpitt
11-01-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm telling ya, saltwater taffy is the answer.........
Conveyor Belt
11-01-2007, 11:53 AM
why don't they just box it up and give it out as government salt to welfare kids?
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 11:54 AM
why don't they just box it up and give it out as government salt to welfare kids?
Because it doesn't cost enough.
Maggie-Doodle
11-01-2007, 01:29 PM
Why is this not a story (http://www.al.com/news/press-register/index.ssf?/base/news/1193909161174920.xml&coll=3) in the Hattiesburg American? Stupid paper...
The U.S. Department of Energy plans to draw 50 million gallons of water a day from the Pascagoula River for five years to hollow out a massive salt dome that will become part of the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve...
Once the salt has been liquefied, it will be pulled out of the cavern as a slurry, piped about 80 miles to the coast, then dumped into the Gulf of Mexico, creating an extra salty area around the Pascagoula Ship Channel that will be miles wide, according to federal documents.
DON'T FEAR somiss....IT WILL appear in the near future SINCE it appeared HERE FIRST! Just wait and see! :)
amanda
11-01-2007, 03:28 PM
Ya'll seem so surprised that our government has sold us out to big-oil. They don't care about eco-concerns or anything else, just the bottom line.
Fish-Bait
11-01-2007, 03:43 PM
Ya'll seem so surprised that our government has sold us out to big-oil. They don't care about eco-concerns or anything else, just the bottom line.
How do you spell it? coup? ceaux...coo....hell, overthrow em'.
rooter
11-02-2007, 08:42 PM
Why don`t they send this sludge to Louisiana since they stole over half of our Gulf fishing water?
wilebill
11-02-2007, 11:17 PM
Well, the way I understand how they hollowed out caverns in Petal for the gas storage, they pumped water out of the ground, dissolved the salt, then injected that slurry into a deep aquifer.
I don't know which method is worse, screwing up water that's on its way to the gulf, or using up water in the ground that we all use to drink and then pumping the waste water into an aquifer and screwing that up.
TheCapitalist
11-02-2007, 11:43 PM
Jesus. This can't be allowed to happen. The gov. and oil companies screwed Louisiana and now us. How in the hell can it be that you need a permit to do anything to your own land down there, but the gov. can disregard all the laws it makes for us and screw up the place on a mega scale.
Fish-Bait
11-03-2007, 03:12 AM
Jesus. This can't be allowed to happen. The gov. and oil companies screwed Louisiana and now us. How in the hell can it be that you need a permit to do anything to your own land down there, but the gov. can disregard all the laws it makes for us and screw up the place on a mega scale.
It's money dude....dang, I get to say it to you....It's Capitalism...:smt118
who's yo' daddy?....mr. w is....:kekeke:
Don't think for one minute someone didn't sell us out for money.
TheCapitalist
11-03-2007, 07:58 AM
That dirty, dirty word. oh my.
http://capitalism.org/tour/index.htm
What about the impact of drawing 50 million gallons a day from the Pascagoula?
Looks like all the boats in my neighborhood might be sitting in mud for a while.
Abaddon
11-09-2007, 01:58 PM
I predict fish-Bait will kill someone over this. While other states are suing to protect what precious little water they have, we're f*cking our's up over oil? That's our Governor and progress.
Jezzus H. Exxon
And someone voted this devil into another term. Brilliant.
Where's John Wilkes Booth when you need him?
Fish-Bait
11-09-2007, 01:59 PM
What about the impact of drawing 50 million gallons a day from the Pascagoula?
Looks like all the boats in my neighborhood might be sitting in mud for a while.
At least until the tide comes back in.:smt118
bpitt
11-09-2007, 02:04 PM
We need a political revolution, oust all these smoke blowers, and get some real men in office, some patriots who give a shit about this country, and not their pocket book.
Fish-Bait
11-09-2007, 02:08 PM
And someone voted this devil into another term. Brilliant.
Where's John Wilkes Booth when you need him?
CarSales voted for SoMissTV.
Abaddon
11-09-2007, 02:08 PM
We need a political revolution, oust all these smoke blowers, and get some real men in office, some patriots who give a shit about this country, and not their pocket book.
The only way that happens is by taking a page from the French Revolutionary Playbook.
Anyone know how to build a guillotine?
bpitt
11-09-2007, 02:11 PM
Yes, and I do have a catapult, too.
Abaddon
11-09-2007, 02:18 PM
We should start working on our accents. Ladies, start letting those armpit afroes grow out. We're having ourselves a revolution.
bpitt
11-09-2007, 02:21 PM
I ain't saying we gotta get all Frenchy, hell, Americans know how to have a revolution. Remember 1776?
Abaddon
11-09-2007, 02:44 PM
Yeah, but they had help from the French and Germans. 1812 was sort of a reminder that we weren't as tough as we thought we were.
But, you're right. Ladies, please, continue to shave.
Abaddon
11-09-2007, 02:45 PM
Speaking of 1812, would it be considered unpatriotic to burn Washington to the ground?
bpitt
11-09-2007, 04:10 PM
Yes, it would. It's not the town you want gone, just the people under the dome and in the White House.
Abaddon
11-09-2007, 04:39 PM
So we burn it down with them locked inside. Problem solved.
Kitty
11-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Our congressional delegation couldn't stop this?
Particularly Gene Taylor and Trent Lott, being they are from the Coast?
Abaddon
11-10-2007, 03:08 AM
Oh, I'm sure their pockets have already been lined with some "look the other way" currency.
dollfus46
11-11-2007, 12:17 PM
why don't they just box it up and give it out as government salt to welfare kids?
Yep, jess stack it beside the road and by morning it'll all be gone.:laugh:
SoMissTV
11-25-2007, 11:33 AM
Welcome to the party, Hattiesburg American (http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071125/NEWS01/711250304/1002)... you're a month late.
Amateurs.
RGDoherty
11-25-2007, 11:53 AM
An email flurry from concerned citizens to the MDEQ might make them think a little harder before they get steamrolled into permitting this.....
Well, their site doesn't list any email addresses..... http://www.deq.state.ms.us/Mdeq.nsf/page/Geology_home
Looks like the old fashioned way of snail mail to :
Office of Geology
P. O. Box 20307
Jackson, MS 39289-1307
Bluesman
11-25-2007, 04:45 PM
I have a copy of the 500+ page environmental impact study approved by the govt. and the EPA ifn' anybody cares. I'll let you look but you can't have considering it is my only copy and this thing will be affecting me DIRECTLY negatively or positively being it is in my backyard and all.
SoMissTV
11-25-2007, 04:47 PM
Is there an executive summary you can post?
Bluesman
11-25-2007, 04:51 PM
I can get you a link to it if you give me a sec. and you can try to download the abstract. But, I will add that emailing or snail mailing the DEQ will be fruitless since it is out of their jurisdiction. It's a federal issue and the DEQ's only role was supplemental in nature.
Bluesman
11-25-2007, 04:55 PM
Here's a link to the summary. It is only 50 pages long versus the original being EXTREMELY LONG... I have the link to the whole doc. I can post or you can link to it fromt he summary...But anyway, here's the link to the summary (http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/reserves/spr/publications/2006_SPR_EIS/3_Sum.pdf)
RGDoherty
11-25-2007, 05:22 PM
O.K. Fish Bait, TheCap, Gone Fishin, JimmyJam. This caught my eye!
Essential Fish Habitat: A commenter requested that DOE identify and examine impacts to onshore EFH for all alternatives and identify and examine impacts to seagrass near the brine disposal pipeline for the Richton alternatives. DOE conducted additional geographic information system analyses to identify and examine such potential impacts. As discussed in section 3.7 and appendix E, the underwater construction of an offshore brine pipeline and diffuser for Chacahoula, Richton, and Stratton Ridge may pass through EFH, which would permanently remove submerged aquatic vegetation and EFH within the ROW. Construction of onshore pipelines, RWI structures in the ICW, and the proposed new terminal and RWI at
Pascagoula for the Richton alternatives would affect EFH. DOE would avoid direct impacts to submerged aquatic vegetation and EFH (if practicable) and minimize indirect impacts. DOE’s consultation with NOAA Fisheries would include a plan to mitigate and compensate for impacts to EFH, which would be included as part of the Section 404/401 permit.
pooker
11-25-2007, 07:24 PM
this is just messed up i dont even see how this can be legal
dreamhippy
11-25-2007, 09:44 PM
People keep talking about throwing out the scalawags responsible for this kind of crap, then the next election rolls around and the same folks all jump on the bandwagon of the biggest scalawags of all, AGAIN, so that my votes are cancelled, AGAIN, and those creeps are running things. An election giving you the choice of Bush or Kerry is a mighty fine example of NO REAL CHOICE GIVEN, or in effect a "fixed election". Rudy G. versus Hillary, is just more of the same, and yet sad to say, the numbers are shaping up to disenfranchise WE THE PEOPLE again. Can I get an "Amen!"?
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