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Hob684

11-08-2007, 04:04 PM

Just in case ya'll haven't read it in awhile.. spend a coupla minutes refreshing yourself over a document every 6thgrader learns about (well, atleast I did).

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution in its original form.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article. I.

Section. 1.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section. 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#14). The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Section. 3.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#17) thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#17).

No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#20), unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

Section. 5.

Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.

Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

Section. 6.

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

Section. 7.

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Section. 9.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#16).

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#12).

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#25).

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article III.

Section. 1.

The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section. 2.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- between a State and Citizens of another State (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#11);--between Citizens of different States;--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Article. IV.

Section. 1.

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section. 2.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due (http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html#13).

Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Section. 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Article. VI.

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
(my edit- i wonder how many senators, representatives, members of the several state legislatures and all executive and judicial officer have blatantly ignored the paragraphs in bold?) Don't forget our military also takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. What happens when their governing body instructs them to act against it?

Article. VII.

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

Attest William Jackson Secretary

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names

Scipio

11-08-2007, 04:05 PM

you lost me on PRC, please elaborate.

You know, Louisiana Lite, Coonass Parish Jr., whatever you want to call it. PRC made an electoral change (hopefully for the better).

Fish-Bait

11-08-2007, 04:22 PM

Wiki rules have been violated....

Hob684

11-08-2007, 04:33 PM

Wiki rules have been violated....

FB - i'm assuming you are talking about my posting of the Constitution.

the only rule i found which would even hint at this issue is copyright violation
Copyright Violations (http://www.myhattiesburg.com/forums/../wiki/forum/rules#rules_copyright)
Posts that contain the text of an entire book, article, graphic, picture or blog post without the author's express permission is a copyright violation. You may post small excerpts of these items, with a link to the original page containing the text. If you post the entire contents of an item, you will be warned. Continual violations will result in a ban.

The US Constitution is not copyrighted (from what I can find) as it is a public use/public knowledge thing... i can't think of the word for it.

If you can find where i have violated copyrights then by all means, tell me how i can get in touch with the founding fathers who wrote it and i will GLADLY ask permission, among asking them other things.... such as how many times they've rolled over in their grave since 1787

Fish-Bait

11-08-2007, 04:34 PM

What's a damn Wiki? We ain't burning no candles.
So you won't mind if I post the whole constitution and get me a few thousand hub bucks?:smt103:-D

Hob684

11-08-2007, 04:36 PM

So you won't mind if I post the whole constitution and get me a few thousand hub bucks?:smt103:-D

i may have gotten a few hundred but i was at 279k before i posted that.

Fish-Bait

11-08-2007, 04:36 PM

read here (http://www.myhattiesburg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21466)hob...

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 04:38 PM

As a pretty liberal person, things like this (http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06/trouble-with-ron.html) and this (http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06/ron-paul-vs-new-world-order.html) bother me. There's still investigating to be done, but if we're known by the company we keep, and if this is the company that Paul keeps, then I have issues. But then again...like I said, I lean to the left.

What about Paul's procedural votes? Anyone can dig those up?

Hob684

11-08-2007, 04:54 PM

read here (http://www.myhattiesburg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21466)hob...

those aren't wiki rules... i have yet to see where i broke any rules.

Scipio

11-08-2007, 04:56 PM

Ah, the cross-burning canard. Burning the American flag is okay, but hate speech isn't. Let's all read the First Amendment again, shall we?

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 04:58 PM

Ah, the cross-burning canard. Burning the American flag is okay, but hate speech isn't. Let's all read the First Amendment again, shall we?

That's not one of my particular concerns.

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 05:02 PM

(and sorry for the chain posting, but didn't want FishBait to get upset with an edit)

...keep in mind that the blog I linked is targeted to an audience who would have that as a concern.

Scipio

11-08-2007, 05:06 PM

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 05:13 PM

But is one of the concerns of your source, fuzzis. And as far as taking guns away from bureaucrats, it bothers me that Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein have armed bodyguards in DC, but citizens of DC can't arm themselves.

Certainly, Ron Paul has some goofy ideas. But at least we know about them. What worries me a lot more is the barely hidden fascism of Giuliani.

It's the goofy ideas that bother me...there's a big contingency of "liberals" who are supporting Paul right now. But I don't know if they've done any digging beyond the anti-war rhetoric, which is admittedly appealing. The rest of it, though....:smt102

Still am interested in the procedural votes. Maybe I'll look for that tonight.

amanda

11-08-2007, 05:27 PM

It's the goofy ideas that bother me...there's a big contingency of "liberals" who are supporting Paul right now. But I don't know if they've done any digging beyond the anti-war rhetoric, which is admittedly appealing. The rest of it, though....:smt102

Still am interested in the procedural votes. Maybe I'll look for that tonight.

When I read that in the blogs - the part where there was a large block of liberals supporting him - I almost fell out of my chair laughing. If conservative Republicans get wind that a bunch of "kool-aid" drinking liberals think he's cool, he's guaranteed to lose. Sorry fellas, ya'll better start looking at another horse to back in this race. He's doomed. :kekeke:

Hob684

11-08-2007, 05:41 PM

Still am interested in the procedural votes. Maybe I'll look for that tonight.

fuzzis are you lookin for stuff liek this??

http://www.opencongress.org/people/voting_history/400311_ronald_paul

dollfus46

11-08-2007, 06:19 PM

Ah . . . . let's see . . . ah . . . Hillary Clinton (vis-a-vis William Jefferson Clinton).

There you go.<< Suescribe

So, it seems as if you're really voting for WillieBoy. I think that's a huge mistake. First and foremost, she's not going to take chit from him. I seem to remember I voted for Dubya for a similar reason. His father's foreign policy experience. How would you access that intelligent reasoning? Let's just say I ass/u/me....ed incorrectly and let it go at that. Best to vote for the individual, not the family member, I think. 'Sides, WJC's foreign policy of looking the other way, and spending a year in Russia, or wherever he went as a Rhodes Scholar, didn't help him nor us much. You want foreign policy experience, I think Richardson is the only one with any. Wasn't he an ambassador? And he's a latino. So he can gehaw with the President of Mexico, maybe even Hugo Chavez and Castrate of Cuba. On the other hand, if Putin chaps Hillary's cheeks, God help him. HA! Hillary is just way to socialist for me. Worse than Mo Udall and Edmund Muskee combined. Throw in Mondale too. She makes them seem capitalistic.

Conveyor Belt

11-08-2007, 06:53 PM

If someone doesn't know what 'Libertarian' means, then that's their fault.

A Libertairan will draw both sides. Ultra Liberals want freedom for some things, but wants federal protection of others. A Libertarian wants freedom in all things.

Don't get Paul wrong... he'd go to war, but it'd be under proper procedures, vis-a-vis, an act of Congress. People need to understand that.

Conservatives are drawn to his stance on traditionally conservative issues, like monetary policy and immigration.

There's something for everyone in Paul. For me, he's perfect, b/c I believe most of the things he does. I don't agree 100% with his foreign policy. I'm not 100% convinced we could withdraw 100% from the world. I like having those staging areas around the world. Then again, if we're going to war, we can always use an ally's bases to stage from. I'm still struggling with this one.

dollfus46

11-08-2007, 07:41 PM

Lawdy Mercy, what a heady liberal blowgasphere that was; a competiton to see who can be the most far out, there. They argue among themselves and support no one, other than their favorite bloggers, other than themselves. I honestly don't think they could form a consensus for any particuliar candidate. Their mission seemed to tear all of them down. Among the great blogger finalists of 2007, "Orcinus" (Kingdom of the Dead), author of the linked blog, was far from the top in the competition, perhaps due to being especially anal tunnel visioned regarding Ron Paul. Orcinus is a long time Paul watcher.

My head and eyes started hurting as their shit got so deep and long winded. It takes more words than the constitution to make a singular point? TDB would love that site or maybe not.

I'm no fool. As Ron Paul gets closer and the Dems have to really take him seriously, there will be all kinds of Swiftboat tatical shit hitting the fan.

I say this: No one is perfect. The most beautiful model will have a pimple on her ass at some point in life and prolly get skid marks on her panties. God know how the smuttogs like crack shots!

And this: Many factions (good and bad), and special interests groups with their own agenda, skewed or straight, will naturally try to attach themselves to a rising star, like saw filings to a loadstone.....just as those on the entitlement titty have attached themselves to the popular DEMs.

We have a long row to hoe and we, indeed, are obliged to do our DD. Six months form now there will be more shit-slinging than a cage full of doped up apes on Exlax-laced crack.

We can analyze a thing to death, pick it apart, distort it, take it for granted, or not give a rat's ass, as long as the majority elect a candidate of good common horse sense to go along with all the horseshit experience required to survive Washington DC and not bankrupt us morally and financially as a nation and people in the process.

I don't think Dr. Paul will start the pot stirring with regard to opposition backgrounds when the going gets tough, but I damn sure bet he has the ammo if needed.

What's a "heady liberal blowgasphere"? And which post can I attach that adjective phrase to?

dreamhippy

11-09-2007, 12:11 AM

I will support Ron Paul not only because he is the ONLY one willing to represent me and others who feel as I do, but also because by supporting him I have someone to support that I actually like and approve of. The last 3 Presidential elections left me feeling ripped off as though I really had no choice but to vote the lesser of two evils. If RP is the nominee from the GOP (or chooses to go Independent), I will actually have a CHOICE and can vote for a candidate because he is THE good! Hillary Clinton (Communist) could never represent or lead ME. I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge. All the candidates besides RP are throwbacks for one reason or another. He stands alone head and shoulders above the rest, THE ONLY REAL CHOICE!

dreamhippy

11-09-2007, 02:00 AM

Ron Paul is the only candidate of either of the two main parties that represents my interests and concerns in the way that I would have them be represented.

fuzzis

11-09-2007, 07:29 AM

And this: Many factions (good and bad), and special interests groups with their own agenda, skewed or straight, will naturally try to attach themselves to a rising star, like saw filings to a loadstone.....just as those on the entitlement titty have attached themselves to the popular DEMs.

The thing is, though, it's looking like some of these factions (in my opinion BAD) and special interest groups have been attached to Paul for a long time. They're not johnny-come-latelies to the party.

As far as "heady liberal blawgashere", the shit gets pretty deep in here too. Authors of liberal pieces aren't the only ones racheting up the over-heated, over-blown rhetoric (there have been a few posts in this thread that fit that designation), but as with all things, it's OK when we do it...not so much when someone else does.

Conveyor Belt

11-09-2007, 07:33 AM

As far as "heady liberal blawgashere", the shit gets pretty deep in here too. Authors of liberal pieces aren't the only ones racheting up the over-heated, over-blown rhetoric (there have been a few posts in this thread that fit that designation), but as with all things, it's OK when we do it...not so much when someone else does.

I haven't seen too many ultra right wing blogger links posted in here, fuzzis. I think that most of the nay-sayers have been addressed. When someone posts a link to a right wing blogger hacking on Paul, we'll address them in the same fashion.

fuzzis

11-09-2007, 07:42 AM

I haven't seen too many ultra right wing blogger links posted in here, fuzzis. I think that most of the nay-sayers have been addressed. When someone posts a link to a right wing blogger hacking on Paul, we'll address them in the same fashion.

Oh, I wasn't talking about rightwing blogs. I was talking about some of the posters here. :laugh:

threekidspa

11-09-2007, 08:13 AM

What worries me a lot more is the barely hidden fascism of Giuliani.

That, and the veiled socialism of Clinton.

threekidspa

11-09-2007, 08:24 AM

Sister Golden Hair

11-09-2007, 08:27 AM

I haven't had time to read up on RP yet. I hope to get that done this weekend.

Honey

11-09-2007, 08:35 AM

I am still undecided. It will probably be next summer before I fully support someone. It will take that long for everything to sink into my head.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 08:43 AM

I'm not entirely certain why...i mean this guy is exactly what america needs IMO

I'm not willing to concede that any of these folks are exactly what this country needs. But as RP says, you gotta start somewhere. And since I'm not a candidate, and no one is running as dictator..............:-D Isn't it sad that out of perhaps the largest group of candidates in my lifetime, this is what we have to choose from? At least some are excited about RP and perhaps others are fired up about Hillary, but there's not one radical right wing nutcase I can get fired up about.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 08:47 AM

LOLROTF! First a big bunch of you people were screaming for Fred to join in the race. He was the big GOP hope - and then you've dropped him like a hot-potato and jumped on the big Paul bandwagon. Can't wait to see who the next candidate D'jour will be next week. Ya'll gonna wear yourselves out before the election. :laugh:

And no, I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet so don't ask. There is still a LOT of time between now and next November.

"Candidate D'jour." Now THAT'S FUNNY!!:clap::clap: Great quip Amandah.:smt023

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 08:57 AM

I am not dead set in my ways. I will admit that in the beginning I was behind Rudy. I like him - I think he is a good leader, but is leading NYC enough experience to lead the country. I tend to like John McCain also. My three under consideration are Rudy, John and Ron.

I know that we live in a republican state, but if Hillary is the Dem. Nominee, I will travel to places to campaign against her. I do not have respect for her and I am afraid what will become of our country if she is elected. I would throw support behind Obama to keep her from being elected.

I am not pleased overall about the entire field, but Ron Paul seems to take the same stance on many of the things that are important to me, as I do. I am interested ini seeing how the field thins out over the next few months. I am anxious to begin the narrowing down process.

I agree with you. Hillary is the only candidate who really scares me. Haven't been afraid of a candidate since Udall. She's a pure socialist who believes we're all too stupid to think for ourselves so the government has to do it for us. She's as much as said so. At least Ron Paul believes in the individual and recognizes the initial founding tenets of this country. I gotta respect that. Last person who believed in individual talent was Reagan, remember?

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 09:16 AM

Well now I have enjoyed your conversation. It is a learning experience and I appreciate everyone being kind and respectful of each others candidate. Thank you.

Two or three weeks ago, THAT would not have been possible.:oops: You're absolutely right though. This is fun and enlightening and most importantly, respectful.
May I impose on everyone here and tell you all how much I love you and appreciate your understanding and patience with me through the last few weeks. I appreciate so much the prayers that I know were sent up for me. God bless you. I still don't have answers. MRI tonight, and other test results still coming in, but I'm at peace with it all now and have dealt with whatever the outcome may be. Which is why I am able to post again. Thank you all.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 09:22 AM

R: the injun being smarter, that aint so by a longbow shot, Gus. More hard-headed, perhaps. :bonk:

Certainly bright enough, but I can attest to the marble-like casing around the brain.:-D

Honey

11-09-2007, 09:22 AM

It is good to have you back Dollfus. You were the very first person I talked to if I remember right. Seems like I was stuck in a thread and couldn't get out. I had to email you on AOL. Remember?

Augustus McRae

11-09-2007, 09:25 AM

Two or three weeks ago, THAT would not have been possible.:oops: You're absolutely right though. This is fun and enlightening and most importantly, respectful.
May I impose on everyone here and tell you all how much I love you and appreciate your understanding and patience with me through the last few weeks. I appreciate so much the prayers that I know were sent up for me. God bless you. I still don't have answers. MRI tonight, and other test results still coming in, but I'm at peace with it all now and have dealt with whatever the outcome may be. Which is why I am able to post again. Thank you all.

Please start being your smart-ass self again...you're killin' me!

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 09:29 AM

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 09:32 AM

It is good to have you back Dollfus. You were the very first person I talked to if I remember right. Seems like I was stuck in a thread and couldn't get out. I had to email you on AOL. Remember?

Remember? Ha! You haven't been listening. :kekeke: Jess kidding. Yes ma'am I do.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 09:33 AM

Please start being your smart-ass self again...you're killin' me!

I will, I will. Gimme a chance to get my feet wet again.:smt118 I'm jess sorta playing possum rat now.

Conveyor Belt

11-09-2007, 09:37 AM

I'll admit, I was waiting for Fred to join. B/c there was so much hype about him. but after hearing him on MTP last sunday, I am decidedly unimpressed with him. I don't trust him. I don't think he'll come away with the nomination in 1,000,000 years. He's not the guy we need.

I'm with Paul right now. I'm still not 100% on his foreign policy, but I cannot stomach Hillary. I think Obama would be better than Hillary. We'll just have to see.

Fish-Bait

11-09-2007, 09:43 AM

Conveyor Belt

11-09-2007, 09:45 AM

Listenin' to the Right side last night on the way home....

It went like this...

Hillary.......woman.......Hillary........Hillary.. .......defensive.....Hillary......Hillary......Hil lary....
Obama.......Hillary.............scared.........tru mped herself...........hilarious......Hillary.......Hil lary........Hillary....Democrats........yellow.... .blue.....Hillary
.....democrats.....Rudy........Hillary....

I was like WTH? She's gettin' her named mentioned more on conservative talk radio than any of the other candidates, wether it's good or bad....jeeeez....
\

How do you listen to that crap without your brains leaking out your ears? I can listen to Rush, Beck, Larson... but Right Side, Savage are channel turners to me... hannity is okay sometimes, but he's hung up on the kool-aid sometimes, too.

threekidspa

11-09-2007, 09:48 AM

They need to shut up about Hillary, or its gonna become one of those 'any PR is good PR things'. Maybe try talking up a good candidate instead of talking down a bad one.

Fish-Bait

11-09-2007, 10:15 AM

They need to shut up about Hillary, or its gonna become one of those 'any PR is good PR things'. Maybe try talking up a good candidate instead of talking down a bad one.
that's the point I'm tryin' to make.

Fish-Bait

11-09-2007, 10:16 AM

How do you listen to that crap without your brains leaking out your ears? I can listen to Rush, Beck, Larson... but Right Side, Savage are channel turners to me... hannity is okay sometimes, but he's hung up on the kool-aid sometimes, too.

You gotta' plug one ear and tilt your head sideways and listen with the other. It's kinda' hard makin' right turns though.

bpitt

11-09-2007, 10:21 AM

TheKing

11-09-2007, 10:23 AM

I'm for Ron Paul myself at this point. I REALLY like the fact that he's all about the Constitution in its original form. We don't need all this other bullshit. Keep it simple. Use your head, and be responsible.

have you given any money to the campaign and are you going to actually vote for ron paul in the primary?

bpitt

11-09-2007, 10:25 AM

have you given any money to the campaign and are you going to actually vote for ron paul in the primary?
I will vote for him. I do plan on going to one of the meetings around here. Hob has mentioned them in the past. I will donate what I can. Trust me, you don't get much more patriotic than I, and I mean ol' school patriot. So I'll contribute to whomever upholds those principles that I deem constitutional.

Hob684

11-09-2007, 10:38 AM

for those of you who aren't yet affiliated with the meetup group, Harry just put out this email...

Hello everyone. Ron Paul's support has been growing exponentially as of late. If you haven't already heard, he raised over 4 million dollars on November 5th alone. This was called the money bomb. There will be more of these to come and we should all participate in them. December 16th is the next one to come. Just visit http://www.ronpaul2008.com (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/) to donate.

In other news, we have a fresh batch of Ron Paul T-Shirts in. If you'd like one.....e-mail me how many and what size and I can have them waiting at T-Bone Records for you to pick up. They are $12.

Our next meetup is currently being scheduled. I'll be sure to post it to all as soon as I have it confirmed.

In an effort to effectively organize Mississippi at the precinct level we need everyone to register with Ron Paul Friends USA. New penalties have been imposed on states who moved their primaries by the GOP. In effect they will lose exactly half of their delegates to the convention. This makes Mississippi more important to the overall nomination process. We will have 37 delegates. (Michigan will have only 30) It is now vital that we organize.

Please help Ron Paul get elected in our State.
Register at http://www.ronpaulfriendsusa<wbr>.com (http://www.ronpaulfriendsusa.com/)

In closing, we are in need of more Ron Paul supplies. If you'd like to help with getting more yard signs, bumper stickers, buttons and slimjim info cards please contact me. If we all chip in we will be able to get quite a bit of materials that will help raise awareness of Ron Paul.

For great up-to-date Ron Paul info., visit http://www.dailypaul.com (http://www.dailypaul.com/)

--
Harry Crumpler III
crumpler@comcast.net
601-466-3119
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/582/

bpitt

11-09-2007, 10:50 AM

Okay, I just joined the 'meetup' group thingy......

onlyme

11-09-2007, 10:58 AM

MRI tonight, and other test results still coming in, but I'm at peace with it all now and have dealt with whatever the outcome may be. Which is why I am able to post again. Thank you all.

Prayers and well-wishing thoughts are with you. Hang in there, good to have you back.

onlyme

11-09-2007, 11:02 AM

Right now none of the candidates impress me ( I kinda like Kucinich just because he is so different and unorthodox - albeit without a flicker of a chance ) and I don't see that changing over the next year. The more I hear about them, the less I like them. I guess I will have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils - much like any other election.

Hob684

11-09-2007, 11:30 AM

chaz

11-09-2007, 11:47 AM

How do you listen to that crap without your brains leaking out your ears? I can listen to Rush, Beck, Larson... but Right Side, Savage are channel turners to me... hannity is okay sometimes, but he's hung up on the kool-aid sometimes, too.

Really. I'm a talk radio junkie, and the "Right Side" is about the bottom of the barrel.

onlyme

11-09-2007, 11:50 AM

just remember.... the lesser of two evils.. is still evil.

I know but if I think A is less evil than B and choose not to vote at all and B wins by a vote then it would be basically my fault if the bigger evil became "the Man" ( or WoMan as it may be ) ;)

Scipio

11-09-2007, 12:48 PM

just remember.... the lesser of two evils.. is still evil.

But the lessor of two evils is making a good profit.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 01:39 PM

Ah, the cross-burning canard. Burning the American flag is okay, but hate speech isn't. Let's all read the First Amendment again, shall we?
I just don't think I can stomach another First Amendment spin.

Hob684

11-09-2007, 01:49 PM

New meetup scheduled

Announcing a new event for Hattiesburg and Mississippi for Ron Paul!

What: Ron Paul 2008 November Meetup

When: Sunday, November 18, 7:30 PM

Where: Click the link below to find out!

Event Description: Come on Out to the next Ron Paul 2008 meetup for the Pine Belt area. Our group has grown larger and larger in recent weeks, and it's time to get together. We can truly make a difference in spreading awareness of Ron Paul throughout our area. This meeting will serve as a great opportunity to get Ron Paul materials, talk about ways increase awareness in our community and get down to business. The meeting is Sunday, November 18th at Bianchi's Pizzeria in downtown Hattiesburg (located at 128 E. Front St.). It will start at 7:30pm. Feel free to bring anybody with you. Don't forget to RSVP yes at http://ronpaul.meetup.com/582/

See ya there!

Learn more here:
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/582<wbr>/calendar/6710130/ (http://ronpaul.meetup.com/582/calendar/6710130/)

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 01:54 PM

I haven't seen too many ultra right wing blogger links posted in here, fuzzis. I think that most of the nay-sayers have been addressed. When someone posts a link to a right wing blogger hacking on Paul, we'll address them in the same fashion.

Geeeeeez, Gus, you're right. I AM turning into a pussy. I'm not sure what CB is talking about, but I'm sure I don't agree with it.:-D

bpitt

11-09-2007, 01:58 PM

You should have charged them for parking in your lot, like $1000, see how weak that is to them, lol......

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 01:58 PM

It's the goofy ideas that bother me...there's a big contingency of "liberals" who are supporting Paul right now. But I don't know if they've done any digging beyond the anti-war rhetoric, which is admittedly appealing. The rest of it, though....:smt102

Still am interested in the procedural votes. Maybe I'll look for that tonight.
"Goofy ideas" is pretty vague. Could you be more specific? Sounds like you're accusing the RP supporters of shallow insight. That's just the way it came across to me. :confused: I'm not a RP supporter......yet, so I don't have a dog in this "fight", so to speak. Just analyzingl what's going on in order to make an informed decision.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:01 PM

When I read that in the blogs - the part where there was a large block of liberals supporting him - I almost fell out of my chair laughing. If conservative Republicans get wind that a bunch of "kool-aid" drinking liberals think he's cool, he's guaranteed to lose. Sorry fellas, ya'll better start looking at another horse to back in this race. He's doomed. :kekeke:

It'd certainly pull me up short too, Amandah. Heh heh heh. Don't think Libertarian and Liberal can have an equal ( = ) sign between them at any level. Let me be perfectly transparent here and openly honest: As a conservative leaner :laugh:, when in doubt, I look to the blacks (as a group), the union and Nancy Pelosi. If any of them are for it, It's a good bet it's not good for me or my wallet. Now RP and Liberal is another measure for me to go by.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:10 PM

Dollfus, my buddy. Welcome back!

Heady ~ Strong, potent, complicated, over-analyzed, unnecessarily wordy, pompous, etc, etc

Liberal ~ ...willing to discard traditional values, blah, blah, etc, ect, (insert own definition, it's used loosely these days)

Blowgasphere ~ Webster's not up with me yet, (blow-gas-around), it'll catch on one day.

As for which post, backtrack and click on blue link directives.

Thanks, Hawkster. I appreciate it very much.
I like Blowgasphere. I think you have something there. May I borrow it sometime?;) Can it be used as a Noun as well as a verb?

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:15 PM

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:24 PM

That, and the veiled socialism of Clinton.

I don't think Mrs. Clinton's socialistic positions have been remotely veiled at all. It's out there for everyone to see. There's a list of here quotes floating around somewhere, all socialistic. Welllllllll, now that you mention it, I've had a chance to think about it, they are veiled in that many liberals wouldn't know a socialistic policy if it bit them in the ass. Not because they are stupid, but because they don't think of themselves as socialists. They think of themselves as proponents of a living, breathing Constitution. Just my opinion. Admittedly, I have no clue what makes liberals tick, anymore than they know what makes me tick. :kekeke:

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:29 PM

Assuming anyone cares, I'm officially in the Ron Paul camp. There is still plenty more for me to listen to and read, but from what I've seen so far, his ideas are exactly what we need.

Its gonna be weird being on the same side of the fence as CB. :smt118

I haven't found CB to be particularly Liberal. Particularly anti-Christian, but not anti-conservative. I could be wrong. It surprised me when I came to that conclusion too. Heh heh heh.

Hob684

11-09-2007, 02:31 PM

for those of you who missed the November 5th moneybomb... you can pledge at www.teaparty07.com for RP.

On December 16th, 1773 American colonists dumped tea into the Boston Harbor
to protest an illegal and oppressive tax. This December 16th American citizens will
dump millions of dollars into the Ron Paul campaign to protest
the illegal and oppressive inflation tax.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:36 PM

How do you listen to that crap without your brains leaking out your ears? I can listen to Rush, Beck, Larson... but Right Side, Savage are channel turners to me... hannity is okay sometimes, but he's hung up on the kool-aid sometimes, too.

I'm not familiar with Right Side. But Hannity makes me puke. Colmes makes me want Bitch slap him. He's a total imbecile. I can't watch Hannity and Colmes anymore if they had Jesus as their guest.

dollfus46

11-09-2007, 02:40 PM

that's the point I'm tryin' to make.

Some conservative with brains, perhaps Bill Bennett, said the Republicans are talking up Hillary because she's who the WANT to run against. Once she's one on one with the Republican candidate, she'll be exposed for what she is and lose like, Udall, Mondale and Muskee. Maybe a strategy or it may not be. May work and it may not.

onlyme

11-09-2007, 02:43 PM

Some conservative with brains, perhaps Bill Bennett, said the Republicans are talking up Hillary because she's who the WANT to run against. Once she's one on one with the Republican candidate, she'll be exposed for what she is and lose like, Udall, Mondale and Muskee. Maybe a strategy or it may not be. May work and it may not.

I think they want her because they are betting that people will not vote for a woman regardless of her opponent and I am afraid that's true. Sadly, the USA is not ready for a female president - not just Hillary - yet.

justme

11-09-2007, 03:11 PM

Last person who believed in individual talent was Reagan, remember?

I don't remember alot about Reagan. I was too young for an interest in politics- I do however remember Michael J Fox's character on Family ties liked him alot!

hubcap

11-09-2007, 03:28 PM

New meetup scheduledWhy don't yall put a float in the Hattiesburg Christmas parade?

jkspatty

11-09-2007, 03:28 PM

I think they want her because they are betting that people will not vote for a woman regardless of her opponent and I am afraid that's true. Sadly, the USA is not ready for a female president - not just Hillary - yet.

At what point do you think we will be "ready"? And why are we not ready?
Not being smart a$$, really want to know.....

onlyme

11-09-2007, 03:38 PM

At what point do you think we will be "ready"? And why are we not ready?
Not being smart a$$, really want to know.....

I wish I knew. I just saw a poll last night on NBC. Given a choice between Dems and Reps people would vote for Democrats. Given a choice between a Republican male candidate and a Democrat female candidate it's just about even. What does that tell you other than that there is an uneasy feeling about a female leader? I've read some comments in this forum along that line as well.

Scipio

11-09-2007, 03:53 PM

I wish I knew. I just saw a poll last night on NBC. Given a choice between Dems and Reps people would vote for Democrats. Given a choice between a Republican male candidate and a Democrat female candidate it's just about even. What does that tell you other than that there is an uneasy feeling about a female leader? I've read some comments in this forum along that line as well.

It tells me that even the people of America who are too dumb to avoid telephone polling can tell when a poll question is asking whether they would vote for Hillary over any Republican candidate. That question is only going to be a fair question when there's more than one female Dem candidate.

TheKing

11-09-2007, 04:46 PM

this is an interview with a washington lobbyist regarding ron paul

its worth a read

http://www.pardoncheney.com/?p=135

rdawg

11-10-2007, 01:23 AM

You guys are still going on???? My eyes are getting tired of all this reading after I get off work.

SueScribe

11-11-2007, 07:07 PM

At what point do you think we will be "ready"? And why are we not ready? Not being smart a$$, really want to know.....

Centuries of cultural subjugation, myth, folklore, and laws that essentially sold women on the idea of their inferiority, and empowered men with the notion of their God-given superiority. Plain and simple.

The GOP has moved so far left that now anyone running on traditional conservative values looks like a nutjob.

To the left ?? Surely, ye jest. If the GOP base expands to the Far Right any more than it has, I look for it to fall off the edge of the World.

Dr. Paul's issue with the CIA and FBI is that they have spent billions on survellience and intel yet have very little to show for it.

Dr. Paul is a nut-case, if he truly thinks the answer to responsible, fiscal Spymanship is to cut off the funds if there is "little to show for it." I wonder if it has passed though his mind what we might have "to show for it" if CIA and FBI and the NSA were - POOF - not there any longer?

Just one salient thought on the above, for now; I love Louisiana, but use their thinking to emulate that state's government? Surely, you jest. :smt009

Not in the least. Check out the new Gov.

What's a damn Wiki?

I don't have a clue, but I can tell you what a "Wiki-Wiki" is. . .

So, it seems as if you're really voting for WillieBoy. I think that's a huge mistake. First and foremost, she's not going to take chit from him. I seem to remember I voted for Dubya for a similar reason. His father's foreign policy experience. How would you access that intelligent reasoning? Let's just say I ass/u/me....ed incorrectly and let it go at that. Best to vote for the individual, not the family member, I think.

You voted for Dubya because you thought his father would be there, side-by-side, governing with him? What did you think Dick's Duties were going to be?

. . 'Sides, WJC's foreign policy of looking the other way, and spending a year in Russia, or wherever he went as a Rhodes Scholar, didn't help him nor us much.

You want to know what he didn't do? He didn't invade a soverign country to stuff his pockets, and the pockets of his cronies, with BILLIONS of U. S. Taxpayer dollars, at the expense of GALLONS upon GALLONS of blood, brain matter, bones and - infants in their mothers' wombs (where's the Right-To-Lifers when you really-really need them . . OH, that's RIGHT . . that only applies to brain-dead people in Florida and unborn White children . .)

That, he didn't do.

Socialist, is she, df ? Beats the helloutta being a Facist, Sexist, Neo-Con Supremicist pig who inevitably hollers "remember Waco and Ruby Ridge!"

Hillary Clinton (Communist) could never represent or lead ME. I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Hob684

11-11-2007, 07:16 PM

To the left ?? Surely, ye jest. If the GOP base expands to the Far Right any more than it has, I look for it to fall off the edge of the World.

you do realize that the media appointed "GOP frontrunner" is pro-gay marriage and pro-choice?

countrygirl

11-11-2007, 08:33 PM

I'm fed up with the dem's and the republicans, but I'm kind of scared of Ron Paul...kind of reminds me of George Wallace....

dreamhippy

11-12-2007, 01:35 AM

dreamhippy

11-12-2007, 01:48 AM

Ron Paul wants to dramatically decrease America`s empire building. If GWB`s empire building is your only beef with the GOP, get on board with RP. Only, I have a sneaking suspicion that you`re going to find fault with all the non-left-leaning-Socialists. The worst of that lefty lot in my opinion is not Hillary,nor Obama, but John Edwards. Southerners might actually be brain dead enough to fall for that scalawag.

Conveyor Belt

11-12-2007, 01:56 AM

Everybody hates a trial lawyer...

fuzzis

11-12-2007, 07:08 AM

Quote SueScribe:
Beats the helloutta being a Facist, Sexist, Neo-Con Supremicist pig who inevitably hollers "remember Waco and Ruby Ridge!"

Sorry! NO IT DOESN`T! Hillary and her Communism would still be FAR worse! Besides, most of those sticks and stones do not apply to me. I would vote for a woman President:Try Ann Coulter. No need to get bitter at me for slamming your favorite Communist, Clinton. I suppose raiding American citizens on their own private property and killing children (supposedly to protect them) is really some people`s idea of good government, but you are certainly right in believing that it is not mine!

:laugh::laugh:

Taken a look at the Patriot Act lately? Supposedly to "protect" us? It cracks me up that people get upset about Hillary's (or really the Democratic party's) supposed "socialism" or "communism" but can't take a hard look at what the Republican party is doing to shred our rights.

Truly, there's not much different between the two parties, and anyone who thinks there is, is fooling themselves. The fact that Ron Paul has chosen to run within that party structure is damming, imo.

Hob684

11-12-2007, 08:16 AM

The fact that Ron Paul has chosen to run within that party structure is damming, imo.

except that he has stated many times that the GOP has lost its way and that the majority of the GOPers are wrong.

He is running on the traditional values of the Republican party.

Augustus McRae

11-12-2007, 09:52 AM

I'm fed up with the dem's and the republicans, but I'm kind of scared of Ron Paul...kind of reminds me of George Wallace....

That is a surprise? Do you remember George Wallace - his rhetoric, his positions? Have you listened to and read the positions of Ron Paul? I don't get it...

Conveyor Belt

11-12-2007, 11:17 AM

C'mon hawk, any ideas that are non status quo are going to be met with 'nut-job', 'nut-case', etc. People are afraid of change.

Augustus McRae

11-12-2007, 11:26 AM

The last three posts were great! Both SueScribe and Hawk make some super points (and counter-points). The positions they stated represent the most "sensible" of the best of American thinking right now, I think. I lean toward the Injun's, but I also understand and respect Sue's.

With that said, the TRUEST thing said in those three posts was said by Conveyor Belt, and what he said guides (heck it SETS) both Demo and GOP policy and thinking in this day: "...people are afraid of change...."

Both Demolays and GOPer's constantly sound the alarm "...you CAN'T do that!" Bullfeathers! This is the dang U S of A! We CAN make change, and I am of the mind that we need to..

Bring the troops home; bring Trent Lott, Bennie Thompson, Chip Pickering, and Roger Wicker home to Mississippi from the Congress!

fuzzis

11-12-2007, 11:34 AM

C'mon hawk, any ideas that are non status quo are going to be met with 'nut-job', 'nut-case', etc. People are afraid of change.

Once again, it amuses me to watch these things play out. I seem to recall people being perfectly fine with those sorts of labels when it comes to candidates other than their own. But when it's their fatted calf, it's another story altogether.

I have to wonder if the new-found enlightenment will last or if we'll soon be back to politics as usual.

bpitt

11-12-2007, 12:14 PM

Hell, I'll say something derogative about Clinton, she's a b***h, plan and simple. There, I said it........

Conveyor Belt

11-12-2007, 01:49 PM

Hell, I'll say something derogative about Clinton, she's a b***h, plan and simple. There, I said it........

I was going to say she was a left wing nut job...

bpitt

11-12-2007, 02:54 PM

I thought he was a bike-nut.....

thornton04

11-12-2007, 05:14 PM

Hey I am new to this site and just wanted to let yall know that I am a Ron Paul Supporter. My husband and I are members of the meetup.com group. My husband is big into politics and government but me... not so much. I have always felt like it wasnt even worth my time to vote until now. We are doing all we can to get Ron Paul's message out there! AJ will be joining the site soon he chats a lot in the hattiesburgamerican.com forums.

amanda

11-12-2007, 05:38 PM

I feel a BIG post coming on from Sue. :-D

amanda

11-12-2007, 05:55 PM

Reckon she's loanin' her guns, manda? I bet you're right. I don't care if she is a Clinton freak, I'll always love her. :smt001

LOL! She's been on here "replying to thread" for over 30 mins. I feel a big, huge, post coming. Get ready folks. :kekeke:

SueScribe

11-12-2007, 05:59 PM

you do realize that the media appointed "GOP frontrunner" is pro-gay marriage and pro-choice?

Now we're getting closer to the Great American Political Truth (a):

"Media-Appointed." The Media seem to be wagging the dog, and have been for oh, such a long-long time. Once I believed there were enough sensible minds to realize that fact, adjust accordingly, and investigate the allegations of truths before ipso facto voting upon them, because The Media said so.

The Media fell flat on its face in the lead-up to . . what is it we're calling it now? The Iraq War ? All it took was the Bush Administration's promise of flak jackets, night-vision goggles and a front row seat in an APC - The Imbed Strategy - and what happened with The Media?

Shock & Awe, brother. Shock & Awe.

All the while, reasoned and sensible voices were saying . . "Why now, what's the rush?" "Ya'll have an Iraqi informant code-named `Curveball', you say?" "Ah. . . hang on a second . . "

BOOM! Shock & Awe while star-war-struck "journalists" (and I use that term very loosely) held onto their mics and asses on a bumpy ride across the desert. Twenty-four-seven, Made For TV War.

And so -

Fast-forward five years and what do we have?

"Media-Appointed" presidential front-runners.

I've said it once, twice, a thousand times, and I'll say it again:

We're screwed. I think this nation has come an idiot too far.

Quote SueScribe:
Beats the helloutta being a Facist, Sexist, Neo-Con Supremicist pig who inevitably hollers "remember Waco and Ruby Ridge!"

Sorry! NO IT DOESN`T! Hillary and her Communism would still be FAR worse! Besides, most of those sticks and stones do not apply to me. I would vote for a woman President:Try Ann Coulter.

I'd love to. Medium-rare, with an apple in her . .

Strike that.

I'd love to. Rare.

No need to get bitter at me for slamming your favorite Communist, Clinton. I suppose raiding American citizens on their own private property and killing children (supposedly to protect them) is really some people`s idea of good government, but you are certainly right in believing that it is not mine!

My favorite Communist is Fidel Castro. The latest footage I saw of Fidel, doing his marching-in-place, arm-swinging "exercises", outfitted in a hold-over-from-the `70s velour sweatsuit, I'll admit I laughed so hard I pulled a muscle in my ribcage. Just goes to show: Even dying old dictators can be funny.

To respond to your theory about Waco and Ruby Ridge, may I suggest that breaking numerous federal firearm statutes, shooting at federal law enforcement officers, and having the Texas Department of Human Resources a tad concerned about the number of children living in one commune run by a self-described Messiah is . . probable cause enough to investigate, arrest and detain suspects.

Koresch torched his own people. Ruby Ridge was about a survivalist who couldn't quite survive without selling illegal firearms to undercover ATF agents.

AG Reno later admitted that she should have kept the lid on Waco longer, and not allowed Koresch to use the images of armored vehicles slamming into the side of a bleak Texas farmhouse for his own Messianic purposes, i.e. TORCHING the place and leaving in the ashes, the embers of hatred to be fanned and exploited by people like Mr. McVey, up in Oklahoma City.

The Rule of Law lives. It may fail sometimes, it may fall short, and it may miss the mark altogether - BUT - without it?

Ask somebody on the streets of Baghdad, or better yet:

Ask a lawyer in Pakistan.

Everybody hates a trial lawyer...

Yep, right up to the time that they need one.

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This is starting to look like 'Swiftboat" desparation.

It worked the first time around, didn't it? I think the Democratic Party has finally, long last, come to terms with Swiftboating, and how it ain't their pappa's politics no mo'. Gone are the days of courteous candidacy, and the politics of hope (whether Obama knows it, or not).

The GOP, by and through the uncontrollable, absolutely-deniable tactics of "independent" organizations like the "Swift Boat Vets For Truth", has set the standard for political campaigns for the near and distant future, because of one reason:

It works. Ask Harold Ford, Jr. up in Tennessee. Ask Max Cleland. Ask John McCain.

Two elections into the Rove Revolution, the DNC, et al., have at last "got it." By the time the General is ready to roll, you're going to see some ads that will make the Swiftboating of John Kerry look like a friendly game of Tiddly-Winks.

Do know, Hawk, that Ron Paul is a breath of fresh Republican air, a Goldwater Conservative, and they's few left running the RNC. Oh, that he could garner the nomination, I might vote Republican for only the second time in my life. Maybe if Ron won, people would finally shut the FU** up about the Clintons. Maybe we could get ON with things - important, critical things.

But, the Freepers aren't going to shut up, and because they're not, I'm not, and I'm voting for Ms. Clinton, should she get the nomination. Bill Clinton isn't George Herbert Walker Bush. Bill will be in close proximity to his wife, unlike Bush I, who couldn't (obviously) convince his son that invading Iraq might be a bad idea, on the whole. Bush I likely thought Dick was handling that, given'as how Dick nay-sayed the notion during the first Gulf War as being "unwise."

And, I'm inclined to vote for Ms. Clinton because 55% of married men say they would NEVER vote for her (see MSNBC poll, week of 11/5-9)(as opposed to 35% of married women who would not). Those numbers are revealing - and - tantilizing.

If women are good enough to die in the streets of Fallujah or Baghdad or Islamabad, or elsewhere, defending these freedoms we have, they BY God Almighty, they are GOOD enough to be President of the United States. Doncha reckon?

There is a dark, destructive under-belly to this opposition against Hillary Clinton, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Slick Willie. Nada. That, and that alone, will incite me to riot wherever and whenever I may be called or inspired.

My generation didn't raise hell in the Sixties to earn half as much as our male counterparts for no reason whatsodamnedever. If every young woman under the age of 30 wants to take a good long look into their potential future: buy into the bullsh** that American can't abide a "woman president" (unless its Ann Coulter or Botox Liz Dole). If they want to send a message heard around the World and - particulary - in the houses of 55% of all presently married men and men in general ?

Let them hear you Roar, mon' sisters.

Before this election is done, this war will not be about swiftboating or gay marriage or Pat Robertson's need to slay Hugo Chavez, or whether Rudy is or is not Mob-connected - it will be about -

Gender. That is the boat we're going to see tearing up the Mekong in this election, and if the RNC, et al., aren't very very careful? It's going to sink with all aboard.

Sue

amanda

11-12-2007, 06:03 PM

Told ya'll so. :-D

SueScribe

11-12-2007, 06:08 PM

Gots to go to grands Thanksgiving progrrame at Dixie. She's a lil' Pilgram.

And paw-paw's a lil' Turkey. :smt118

Hob684

11-12-2007, 06:24 PM

And, I'm inclined to vote for Ms. Clinton because 55% of married men say they would NEVER vote for her (see MSNBC poll, week of 11/5-9)(as opposed to 35% of married women who would not). Those numbers are revealing - and - tantilizing

Sue

Weren't you the one a few weeks ago discussing the fact that NO media based poll is scientific and as such, isn't worth the paper (bytes) its written on ?

I think it was the discussion of Hannity bashing Fox's own poll because RP won ... again.

while i know that may be splitting hairs with you sue, that is the only question i have. I eagerly await Hawks reply.. :ohnoes:

fuzzis

11-12-2007, 06:50 PM

Weren't you the one a few weeks ago discussing the fact that NO media based poll is scientific and as such, isn't worth the paper (bytes) its written on ?

I think it was the discussion of Hannity bashing Fox's own poll because RP won ... again.

while i know that may be splitting hairs with you sue, that is the only question i have. I eagerly await Hawks reply.. :ohnoes:

No, that would be me. And I was right. :-D It's a very, very basic understanding of statistics.

Hob684

11-12-2007, 07:09 PM

No, that would be me. And I was right. :-D It's a very, very basic understanding of statistics.

i'm not arguing with you fuz... i just thought is was Sue originally and therefore her logic was flawed.

That being said, I was wrong (to a point) and retract my previous statement directed at Sue.

***my argument wasn't over the statistics.. it was over the reasons of evening taking a poll if you're just gonna turn around and say its crap.