Ron Paul for President thread.

[dollfus46]

Told ya'll so. :-D
Tole us or warned us.:laugh: I liked it when she said she wished Ann Coulter would be our first female President.:bowrofl: Or did I misunderstand?:smt046

[dollfus46]

Gawd all mighty, I have to read all dat later. Gots to go to grands Thanksgiving progrrame at Dixie. She's a lil' Pilgram.
Bless her heart. Get pics!

[Hob684]

Oh, I did. She finally lost her two front teef last week and was such a cute lil' pilgrim. Only problem was that paper tunic that put on her covered up her,
"Vote Ron Paul for My Generation", T-shirt. ;)

Please tell me she reallly had that shirt on.. that would be awesome!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[amanda]

Tole us or warned us.:laugh: I liked it when she said she wished Ann Coulter would be our first female President.:bowrofl: Or did I misunderstand?:smt046


Kinda the same thing, depending on your perspective. :-D It also gives some people a chance to make a stiff drink or grab their medication if need be. :kekeke:

[Hob684]

here's a poem i got emailed to me..

If Dr. Seuss Wrote for Dr. Ron Paul
Szandor Blestman
November 13, 2007


George was on the net one day,

He thought he'd take some time and play.

To youtube he decided to surf,

He came upon Ron Paul's turf.

He saw a video at the mall,

Where on the dais stood Ron Paul.

Ron Paul spoke true and he spoke loud,

Below him gathered quite a crowd.

He said "I will end all the wars,

I'll bring our troops back to our shores.

We shall no longer fund an empire,

Which sucks up money like a vampire.

We need our people here at home,

Not in Baghdad, Kabul or Rome.

The world we don't need to police,

Our tax payers we don't need to fleece.

Our founders warned us to beware,

Keep out of alliances that are unfair.

With the world we shall peacefully trade,

Our coffers we shall fill, not raid."

George listened long and he sat back,

What he heard made his jaw go slack.

He wondered about the video with dread,

He shook his head and then he said,

"I will not join your revolution,

I don't believe in the constitution."

Ron Paul continued with his speech,

The masses he intended to reach,

More people came from near and far,

They came by foot and bike and car.

"I will rid us of the IRS curse,

Who dips its fingers in everyone's purse.

They should not tax the labor of a man,

On that there needs to be a ban.

Sound money we should start to mint,

The Federal Reserve needs to get a hint.

An economy that is based on debt,

Will one day collapse you can bet.

Fiscal responsibility is what we need,

Not private bankers full of greed.

Government money based on gold,

Is constitutional, so I'm told.

But if there must be privatization,

Money competition should be in this nation."

George could not believe what he heard,

His disbelief grew with every word.

What could be done against such truth,

He stiffened his jaw and hurt a tooth.

"I will not join your revolution,

I do not believe in the constitution."

And to this story there was more,

Ron Paul, he still had the floor,

The more he spoke of government sin,

The more donations came rolling in.

For the Nation's people showed concern,

And for freedom they did yearn.

Self reliance they wish they had,

Not a government acting like a dad.

"I will reject intrusive laws,

And from your lives remove government paws.

I'll work to repeal unconstitutional acts,

And make the government reveal hidden facts.

To the constitution we all take an oath,

To honor that helps the country's growth.

The government we must work to shrink,

There are programs we must rethink.

The dependent have nothing to worry about,

But the young will get a chance to opt out.

For a voluntary government is what works best,

Not fear, nor force nor a big brother's nest."

George still watched and became mad,

He rejected the notion he had been bad.

The famous neocon would not admit wrong,

And he disagreed with Ron Paul's song.

"I will not join your revolution,

I don't believe in the constitution."

But to him Ron Paul did not speak,

His words were meant for the ears of the meek.

He knew that to check those in power,

The people needed to stand, not cower.

To the masses he did appeal,

Okay, folks, now here's the deal.

"Join us in this revolution.

Let's reinstate the constitution."

[dreamhippy]

Ron Paul is the best choice for us all: Red, Yellow, Black and White, female and male. When FREEDOM is restored, ALL PEOPLE will PROSPER!

[dreamhippy]

Remember your Jedi-Knight training when the media throws you distracting smoke and mirrors. :) Between now and the 2008 election, many various things will appear on the scene to confuse the issues. Keep your eyes on the prize: the restoration of all our American freedoms. Vote for Dr. Ron Paul!

[dreamhippy]

In spite of all the best efforts of the multi-faceted media machine, God`s will will be done and it doesn`t even matter who believes it or who doesn`t.

[hendrixfreak70]

The wife recently bought the book A Foreign Policy of Freedom by Ron Paul. I do plan on eventually getting my PhD. This book will be required reading in my classes. I owe Ron Paul much in the way of gratitude and thanks. He, for 30 years, has fought for our country. Monetary issues, foreign involvement, erosion of civil liberties, and legalizing the Constitution are just a few of the thousands of things Ron Paul has stood for. Often times he was the only one. It is a sad state of affairs when the very things that made this country great and free are now criticized and deemed flaky. He is already my President and Commander-in-Chief. Regardless of the outcome, freedom is contagious and this small but growing 'revolution' will continue on. Ron Paul 2008. Paid for by the Ron Paul campaign. I am Ron Paul and I approve this message!

[dreamhippy]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/seedspreader/RonPaulMoney.jpg

Ron Paul all the way!!!

[fuzzis]

In spite of all the best efforts of the multi-faceted media machine, God`s will will be done and it doesn`t even matter who believes it or who doesn`t.

It's god's will that we elect Ron Paul? Huh. Go figure.

[dreamhippy]

You said that. I did not. However, it might be. I do not claim to know.

[fuzzis]

You said that. I did not. However, it might be. I do not claim to know.

That's why there was a question mark. :smt105

[dreamhippy]

10 years from now, we`ll all know, and can then debate with the benefit of hindsight whether it was for the best or not that WHOEVER was elected. Thanks for the clarification.

[Hob684]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n81/seedspreader/RonPaulMoney.jpg

Ron Paul all the way!!!

did ya'll hear about the FBI raid on the Liberty Dollar headquarters?

they had just received a letter from a spokesperson for the Fed stating that the Liberty dollar was not legal tender in the US and did not fit the guidelines regarding counterfitting and then the FBI raided them, took everything, gold, silver, etc except for the chairs.

www.libertydollar.org (http://www.libertydollar.com)


<center>Day II - FBI Raid on the Liberty Dollar</center> Friday, November 16, 2007: Make no mistake, the FBI and Secret Service raid on the Liberty Dollar at 8:00 AM on Wednesday, was a direct assault against the US Constitution and your right to own and use gold and silver in any way you chose.
I personally spoke to FBI agent Andrew Romagnuolo shortly after he and his gang invaded the peaceful home of the Liberty Dollar. He told me that the raid was related to the US Mint's warning and the beginning of a criminal investigation. This is the first battle of a long war that I intend to win!
Please note the Search Warrant, Seizure Warrant and Agent info is now posted. Click HERE (http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm) for that info. If that link does not work the URL is: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm.

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm

[dreamhippy]

Yep, I copied the picture from the story. :) I think it sucks, because now think I will likely find it difficult to obtain some "Liberty Dollars". I think they would make excellent keepsakes whether he wins the election or not. They are not copies of existing US coins and so I am confused on how they are considered "counterfeit". Are not OLYMPIC medals similar to coins? What about the tokens at the casinos?

[Conveyor Belt]

Ron Paul bumper stickers now available at Donanelle's

Hope for America

:smt040

I ordered one from RonPaul.com, but still haven't received it yet.

[SoMissTV]

This thread will be funny to read come Super Tuesday. :)

[Conveyor Belt]

Come to the Ron Paul meet-up tomorrow night at 128 Front St, the new pizza place downtown. We have lots of Ron Paul stuff to share. We're trying to get a headcount of how many will be attending. My wife and I will be there and will bring another couple (military lifers) who are interesting in hearing more about how to help Ron Paul get elected.

CB, it took my RP order about a week to arrive, just came in today.

I might try to make the meetup tomorrow night. I've got a killer test on Monday. I'm taking a MH break from studying b/c my brain is kinda mush at this point from the info. I'm going to try to schedule a break tomorrow so I can come to the meetup.

[Hob684]

Well, for those of you who made it to the meetup, it was a great turn out. Had around 20 or so people to show up. Saw a few faces i knew, some i didn't (ElleMay - sorry i didn't get a chance to introduce myself)

There was alot of good info and planning going on for the H'burg area such as:
-the Painting of Donanelles
-National Ron Paul sign waving day(s) Dec 1 & 2
-Toby Barker donated 140 of his yard signs to be relabeled as Ron Paul signs
-Possible radio ads
-flyering neighborhoods and passing out slimjims at USM.

I'm sure Hawkeye will post up in a bit.

Overall, good turnout and hopefully next time we'll actually be able to go IN somewhere and sit. (I gave the Bianchi's venue a bad report on meetup.com since no one ever showed to let us in.)

hope to see everyone at the next meetup.

[thornton04]

I thought it was a good meetup even though we couldnt go inside. Im looking forward to Dec 1-2 and the radio ads.

[Hob684]

the next debate will be CNN/Youtube in Florida on Nov. 28th.

i'm not sure on the time.

[Luvia]

This may have been mentioned already, but I didn't see it.

I was looking on cnn.com and saw a poll to vote on who won the democratic debate and also the republican debate. It had several questions (including some dumb question about who was the snappiest dresser). But the results for Who WON the debate and Who Knew the most about the issues was overwhelmingly Ron Paul.

Now it also had a place where various analysts gave their opinions, and RP wasn't mentioned one time that I saw.... The democratic results were pretty close to the analysts' opinions, but there was a HUGE discrepency btwn the analysts and the polling public on the republican side. I found that...odd...to say the least. Almost like he was ignored by the analysts.

I can't for the life of me find that poll now, but I saw it recently...

Found the link: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/

[Hob684]

This may have been mentioned already, but I didn't see it.

I was looking on cnn.com and saw a poll to vote on who won the democratic debate and also the republican debate. It had several questions (including some dumb question about who was the snappiest dresser). But the results for Who WON the debate and Who Knew the most about the issues was overwhelmingly Ron Paul.

Now it also had a place where various analysts gave their opinions, and RP wasn't mentioned one time that I saw.... The democratic results were pretty close to the analysts' opinions, but there was a HUGE discrepency btwn the analysts and the polling public. I found that...odd...to say the least. Almost like he was ignored by the analysts.

I can't for the life of me find that poll now, but I saw it recently...

Found the link: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/

welcome to the world of spin doctors and severly biased media.

[TheKing]

with bush having such low approval ratings...ill never understand why anyone would support giuliani

he is basically GWB on crack.

[hendrixfreak70]

with bush having such low approval ratings...ill never understand why anyone would support giuliani

he is basically GWB on crack.

I couldn't agree more. I was just marvelling at how anyone could vote for Floppy Thompson, Adolph Giulanazi, John "Manchurian Candidate" McCain, or Slick Mitt. This just shows that we have alot of work to do for Ron Paul. It is a grassroots campaign for sure. My attrition rate when talking to people about Ron Paul is usually 8 people out of 10 people like him.

[rdawg]

with bush having such low approval ratings...ill never understand why anyone would support giuliani

he is basically GWB on crack.


Things are getting better for W. However Giuliani is on crack!!

[hendrixfreak70]

Things are getting better for W. However Giuliani is on crack!!

I am glad that many people can agree with that about Fred McRomniani.

[hendrixfreak70]

9-11

I have heard 9/11 and terrorrism enough out of his mouth to last me a lifetime!

[hendrixfreak70]

Lol!

[hendrixfreak70]

For those who are interested I have printed out the USA Today Full-Page ad for Ron Paul and enlarged it to approximately 30'' by 36'' long and laminated it too. I also ran 30 copies of the original size and laminated those. If anyone has any good ideas as to where to put them or would like one for themselves get at me. My internet at home is unlikely to work for a while but I ll be back on Friday at some point so hit me up with a message privately for easier tracking.

[hendrixfreak70]

Wilco! I ll be in touch with ya... I am bout to leave work and my phone died.

[Conveyor Belt]

what ad? I don't read print media, unless it's laying out free somewhere.

[carsalesguy]

what ad? I don't read print media, unless it's laying out free somewhere.

except dolphin digest, which u subscribe to

[Conveyor Belt]

except dolphin digest, which u subscribe to

don't be an idiot, man...

You know I just borrow noway's copies...

[carsalesguy]

my bad. how stupid of me. m

[Hob684]

For those who are interested I have printed out the USA Today Full-Page ad for Ron Paul and enlarged it to approximately 30'' by 36'' long and laminated it too. I also ran 30 copies of the original size and laminated those. If anyone has any good ideas as to where to put them or would like one for themselves get at me. My internet at home is unlikely to work for a while but I ll be back on Friday at some point so hit me up with a message privately for easier tracking.

i'll take one..

[hendrixfreak70]

Sounds good I ll be in touch with you guys over the next few days hopefully. My slow dial-up at home is on the fritz so I wont be able to get on unless i go to my office or to the library. Hob you coming to the sign-waving getup Sat Dec 1st?

[Hob684]

Sounds good I ll be in touch with you guys over the next few days hopefully. My slow dial-up at home is on the fritz so I wont be able to get on unless i go to my office or to the library. Hob you coming to the sign-waving getup Sat Dec 1st?


I may have to work that day but i'll atleast be there from 10-12

[dreamhippy]

I hate the Communist News Network (CNN), and FOX is hardly better. Both are biased one way or the other, and both can talk about the upcoming election and its candidates all day until the cows come home and will not mention Ron Paul. I guess I should not blame them since their position as the propaganda experts and government spin doctors might be endangered by a genuinely FREE press....Still, it ticks me off just how obviously they ignore to mention Ron Paul.

[hendrixfreak70]

They are scared to f'n death of Ron Paul....Ron Paul emboddies the very polar opposite of what the establishment want. I have always said in politics that we need to pay attention to the one who gets the least attention. Chances are there is a reason why they get little. I also come to the realization (although I already knew) that the media reports on piddly things like Blackwater being investigated to keep the majority of people from complaining about what they have done. Blackwater mercenaries WILL NOT be reprimanded for anything they have done. I know Blackwater guys personally and had them with me in Iraq. They are a dangerous bunch with a thirst to mess something up.(of course not all of them) And they have. Good God this Republic is in deep.

[dreamhippy]

Hopefully we Ron Paul fans can get his message out to the people without the MSM (main stream media) before the election next year. If we do not get him in place, this country is gonna suffer some truly hard times no matter which Party goes in (OR, no matter which wing of the same Demo-Publican Party). I believe he is this country`s only true hope short of the Lord`s second coming. Our alternate choices as I see it, are the next Socialist Great Depression or the next Gestapo State. Either is too far away from this country`s founding principles. Right now, this country needs a good enema.

[Hob684]

Right now, this country needs a good enema.

a sherry enema... just short of killin.

[dreamhippy]

This person is a Ron Paul supporter.

http://lizmichael.com/

[dreamhippy]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy


Ron Paul/President/2008 http://homesteadingtoday.com/images/smilies/hobbyhorse.gif Slay The Evil Doers http://homesteadingtoday.com/images/smilies/hobbyhorse.gif

[dreamhippy]

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Lower half:
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[Hob684]

Dr. Paul is a GQ Man of the Year for 2007.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-20-2007/0004708964&EDATE=

[hendrixfreak70]

Dr. Paul is a GQ Man of the Year for 2007.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-20-2007/0004708964&EDATE=


Even though I do not think he is in the running, there are many people writing him in at the Time magazine Person of the Year..... here is the link
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/0,28757,1672153,00.html?pkw=PSTMGLTX111207SNND1407

[SueScribe]

Six weeks away from the first caucus votes, and the first-out, top-two threads under State/National/World News concern Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee, and then - on another thread about Trent Lott - folks ponder the meaning of Lott's sudden resignation from the U. S. Senate.

The GOP base is bouncing off the walls and the RNC could not - would not - allow a primary process to proceed in 2006, even in the Reddest Red State, i.e. Mississippi. Therefore, Mr. Barbour, et al., made that choice FOR Mississippi voters (just in case they flew off in a wild tanget and put up some outside/unknown to compete for Lott's seat). Brilliant.

Ron Paul is making a difference in the far turn in this race, because the effects are already being felt - in Mississippi. If the GOP (vis-a-vis the RNC) weren't already a tad wobbly at the knees? Now they are, and Lott is the proof.

Sue

[hendrixfreak70]

Six weeks away from the first caucus votes, and the first-out, top-two threads under State/National/World News concern Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee, and then - on another thread about Trent Lott - folks ponder the meaning of Lott's sudden resignation from the U. S. Senate.

The GOP base is bouncing off the walls and the RNC could not - would not - allow a primary process to proceed in 2006, even in the Reddest Red State, i.e. Mississippi. Therefore, Mr. Barbour, et al., made that choice FOR Mississippi voters (just in case they flew off in a wild tanget and put up some outside/unknown to compete for Lott's seat). Brilliant.

Ron Paul is making a difference in the far turn in this race, because the effects are already being felt - in Mississippi. If the GOP (vis-a-vis the RNC) weren't already a tad wobbly at the knees? Now they are, and Lott is the proof.

Sue

A pertinent observation indeed. Grassroot campaigning is making the difference too... perhaps due to the inefficiency of the GOP to produce a legitimate candidate. At any rate, I think if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination (the RNC would roll over and die before it happened) then he'll go 3rd Party. Or at least a brotha can only hope!

[SueScribe]

. . . I think if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination (the RNC would roll over and die before it happened) then he'll go 3rd Party. Or at least a brotha can only hope!

Ron Paul seems - I say "seems" - to me to be a man of principle who, if he is principled, will not put his Party throught that wringer, would not doom it to repeat 1992. Ross Perot owed no Party allegiences, but Ron Paul does, and Congressman Paul is a Party Animal, even if he does decry its blind loyalties to failed presidential policies.

I'd lay my money on Mitt Romney's chances of securing the nomination, and the RNC's exceptional promo machine to talk the Evangelical Wing of the GOP into voting for him (read that to mean - against Ms. Clinton).

Just me, though. I'd like nothing better than to see Mr. Paul pull off a fast one on the GOP "base", but in the real world of party politics, I don't see it happening. Same thing with my personal favorite on the Democratic side, i.e. Joe Biden. Joe's chances of being nominated are roughly on par with Congressman Paul's.

Sue

[hendrixfreak70]

Ron Paul seems - I say "seems" - to me to be a man of principle who, if he is principled, will not put his Party throught that wringer, would not doom it to repeat 1992. Ross Perot owed no Party allegiences, but Ron Paul does, and Congressman Paul is a Party Animal, even if he does decry its blind loyalties to failed presidential policies.

I'd lay my money on Mitt Romney's chances of securing the nomination, and the RNC's exceptional promo machine to talk the Evangelical Wing of the GOP into voting for him (read that to mean - against Ms. Clinton).

Just me, though. I'd like nothing better than to see Mr. Paul pull off a fast one on the GOP "base", but in the real world of party politics, I don't see it happening. Same thing with my personal favorite on the Democratic side, i.e. Joe Biden. Joe's chances of being nominated are roughly on par with Congressman Paul's.

Sue

I hope he sets aside the party and think of what the consequences are if he doesn't keep running. He has cured much apathy along the way including mine. I think the only reason he is loyal at all is because he believes that the party has strayed from what it used to be: smaller government and non-interventionalism. He may think that he can changed the hard-core Old Right ailment from being continually hi-jacked by the neo-con movement. With that being said this will surely be an interesting election, both primary and general.

[hendrixfreak70]

i just re-examined my-post and-realized I-had alot of hyphenated words, either by correct grammar or me creating hyphenated words!

[SueScribe]

i just re-examined my-post and-realized I-had alot of hyphenated words, either by correct grammar or me creating hyphenated words!

It is a hyphenated world that we live in these days.

[TheKing]

Ron Paul on Fox and Friends this morning
noyTu_Wgse0

Now, I primarily watch foxnews but its getting harder to watch lately.

I absolutely LOVE how that asshole takes that editorializing parting shot at Ron Paul in the end with his remark about 'protecting our national interests and balancing the budget sometimes are mutually exclusive'

[Hob684]

Ron Paul Article in the DailyMississippian (Ole Miss's paper)

http://media.www.thedmonline.com/media/storage/paper876/news/2007/11/28/Opinion/Getting.To.Know.Ron.Paul-3119477.shtml

College students express their penchant for independence in many different ways. Some get tattoos. Some start watching unpopular films, following soccer and listening to bands from foreign countries playing strange instruments. Some support Ron Paul.
The Texas congressman who colleagues referred to as "Dr. No" has won the hearts and minds of many young people disillusioned with the politics of George Bush. His campaign strikes different chords on the war, abortion and spending than every other Republican.
But it cannot be only young people who are supporting Congressman Paul. After all, he raised $4 million in just one day - Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, look it up - and, honestly, I am not sure every college student in America has $4 million of expendable income combined.
Ron Paul is the most eccentric, independent Republican in the field. And any man who can ride the kind of unconventional wave Ron Paul has to national notoriety, deserves a closer look.
be sure and read the comments on the bottom!

[bpitt]

Will the debate tonight be aired on CNN?

[Hob684]

thought its already gone off.... yes it was aired on CNN

[TheKing]

http://paulcash.slact.net/??

analysis and breakdown of ron pauls campaign cash flow

[Hob684]

Whooo $10mil!

[Hob684]

ohyeah.. today is a minibomb day b/c of something... www.rudysreadinglist.com i think

[Fish-Bait]

allright...was Ron in the latest CNN you tube debate...the other night?

[TheKing]

yeah he was but he was pretty much marginalized

they gave all the time to rudy and retarded ass mitt romney

[Hob684]

once again.. MSM doin there thing to "report the news"

[Fish-Bait]

Well, the Right Side radio show won't talk about him......I may have missed it if they have, but I usually listen to about 30-45 minutes of the show every night or so in the past couple of weeks.....I can't recall anything being said about him....

[Reason]

You can go to YouTube and click on the banner at the top of the page to watch the entire debate one question at a time. Each question lists who responds next to the link so you can pick and choose.

The debate, of course, was rigged and crappy, with awful questions and awful answers. But, Ron Paul did well.

[dreamhippy]

Ron Paul seems - I say "seems" - to me to be a man of principle who, if he is principled, will not put his Party throught that wringer, would not doom it to repeat 1992. Ross Perot owed no Party allegiences, but Ron Paul does, and Congressman Paul is a Party Animal, even if he does decry its blind loyalties to failed presidential policies.

I'd lay my money on Mitt Romney's chances of securing the nomination, and the RNC's exceptional promo machine to talk the Evangelical Wing of the GOP into voting for him (read that to mean - against Ms. Clinton).

Just me, though. I'd like nothing better than to see Mr. Paul pull off a fast one on the GOP "base", but in the real world of party politics, I don't see it happening. Same thing with my personal favorite on the Democratic side, i.e. Joe Biden. Joe's chances of being nominated are roughly on par with Congressman Paul's.

Sue

Sue, I believe that you have made some very astute observations, and you are probably right about Party obligations to a man of honor such as Dr. Paul. I HOPE that the major players like Rudy, Mitt, Hillary, and Barack and yes, even Huck, will cancel themselves out of play before too long by their own stupidity. My Dad sort of likes Biden, also (I think it will be O`Bama on that side). But I am a one candidate supporter this year. I am not voting PARTY or second best or lesser of two evils (I see the result of that in the current administration). Blind loyalties to failed policies is a common mistake made by supporters of both Parties. Imagine a world in which a Perot could actually win....

[Hob684]

WHOO! i see me! Thanks for havin us out Hawk. Dem's some good grub you had cooked up. I made my wife hungry jsut tellin her about it.

[fuzzis]

Two Ron Paul articles on salon today.

Ron Paul in New Hampshire (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/03/ron_paul/index.html)

"The message is so powerful, in spite of my shortcomings" (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/03/paul_interview/)

[hendrixfreak70]

Those are two really nice articles, IMO. Thanks for sharing Fuzz. :)

[dollfus46]

Two Ron Paul articles on salon today.

Ron Paul in New Hampshire (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/03/ron_paul/index.html)

"The message is so powerful, in spite of my shortcomings" (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/03/paul_interview/)

I found Michael Sherer's questions to be benign and irrelevant to understanding Ron Paul's position on some issues. Almost badgering. Salon must be a left leaning site.

[onlyme]

I don't quite understand Paul's stance on the sanctity of life. He is against abortion yet not really against the death penalty ( only on a federal level ). Do I understand that correctly? What exactly does that mean? Is he or is he not against capital punishment? His views on gun ownership bothers me a bit as well. I don't see the necessity for John Doe to have and use an assault rifle/machine gun.
The fence between the US and Mexico is another sore spot. I grew up 30 miles away from a fence that eventually turned into a despicable killing zone. He is interesting though, no doubt.

[hendrixfreak70]

I don't quite understand Paul's stance on the sanctity of life. He is against abortion yet not really against the death penalty ( only on a federal level ). Do I understand that correctly? What exactly does that mean? Is he or is he not against capital punishment? His views on gun ownership bothers me a bit as well. I don't see the necessity for John Doe to have and use an assault rifle/machine gun.
The fence between the US and Mexico is another sore spot. I grew up 30 miles away from a fence that eventually turned into a despicable killing zone. He is interesting though, no doubt.

He is on a personal level against abortion, yes. He believes that the state is better equiped to handle issue of abortion, death penalty, marijuana laws, and the income tax. Incidentally all of these issues were handled by the state as stipulated by the 10th Amendment. So in essence he favors states' rights where the federal government has no business. He is likely for the death penalty in certain situations, just not handled at the federal level and that it should be left up to the state.

His views on gun ownership are no different than any other genuine conservative. However, he is likely the strongest 2nd Amendment guy because he fully understands the Constitution and will not vote for anything that goes against it. There are almost 12,000 laws pertaining to gun ownership in America, how many more do we need?? Guns don't kill people, people do.

The border problem is huge. A country without borders is no country at all. It is against our law for people to come here without proper processes being gone through. Building a fence is only the start, kicking the illegals out is the best start. I cannot tell you on how many levels that illegals need to leave. I don't buy the bullshit that the illegals are taking jobs Americans do not want either.

Thanks for your interest too!! :clap:

[onlyme]

He is on a personal level against abortion, yes. He believes that the state is better equiped to handle issue of abortion, death penalty, marijuana laws, and the income tax. Incidentally all of these issues were handled by the state as stipulated by the 10th Amendment. So in essence he favors states' rights where the federal government has no business. He is likely for the death penalty in certain situations, just not handled at the federal level and that it should be left up to the state.


It would certainly be interesting to see a president who thinks that just about anything should be left to the individual states and that the US should isolate itself from the rest of the world ( caution: hyperbole ). What would be left for him to do?

[hendrixfreak70]

It would certainly be interesting to see a president who thinks that just about anything should be left to the individual states and that the US should isolate itself from the rest of the world ( caution: hyperbole ). What would be left for him to do?

Nothing, which is exactly the point. In the Constitution each branch of the government has a certain function. Bush has overstepped his boundaries as outlined by the Constitution. The Executive Branch has become too strong. Ron Paul will return the Executive Branch back to where it belongs and keep the checks and balances where they should be too.

[hendrixfreak70]

If we had the power to bring our neighbors home from war... they'd never miss a Christmas... no more ribbons on the door. John Mayer, Ron Paul supporter, talented musician. "Waiting on the world to change".

[thornton04]

Did anyone else get a pre-recorded message from Mrs. Paul today? It was a pretty cool little message.

[Hob]

yep! i got it during a class. I stepped out in the hall to answer b/c i thought it was a potential job... i chuckled when i realized it wasn't and listened to the whole thing. I think i'm gonna go try her cookie recipe

[dreamhippy]

After seeing the response to Ron Paul bumper stickers when I passed them out the other day, I`d say that Ron Paul has much more support than the MSM propaganda machine would have us believe.

[dreamhippy]

http://ronpaulblimp.com/

And Ron Paul takes it on to the next level.....

[dreamhippy]

<TABLE id=post13374563 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=postbitText vAlign=top bgColor=#f0f0f0>Virginia GOP Retreat Straw Poll Results:

Ron Paul 182 (38%)

Fred Thompson 112 (23%)

Mike Huckabee 51 (11%)

Rudy Guiliani 45 (9%)

Mitt Romney 43 (9%)

John McCain 23 (5%)

Duncan Hunter 19 (4%)

Tom Tancredo 4 (<1%)

</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom align=left>Ignore this, polls mean nothing.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[dreamhippy]

Some people think Ron can win in IOWA!

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_126_66.aspx

[Reason]

He has my vote. I will vote for no one else.

I see Ron Paul as an important reset button, bringing us back to the foundations of our country before it went so far left and so far right.

I recommend you go to YouTube, go to their special section devoted to the election, and check out his page there.

[dreamhippy]

Okay...I'll admit that I really have thought that Ron Paul was a joke. But last night a dear friend of mine (some of you remember the MH poster Zorro) told me at dinner that he was voting for Paul. After I laughed, I realized he was serious. He told me that, in his opinion, Ron Paul was the strongest presidential candidate since Ronald Reagan.

That's a pretty big statement. Couple with the tremendous amount of respect I have for Zorro, I can assure you that I will begin my research in earnest on the candidate.


I remember Zorro well as a poster with good sense! :)

[hendrixfreak70]

Welcome aboard Doc and Reason. America needs this movement. America needs a voice, I am tired of the lesser of two evils. Two evils do not make it ok.

[dreamhippy]

YouTube - &quot;Winning the War on Drugs&quot; Asylum Street Spankers

[TheCapitalist]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but you can get 2 for 1 at the Bunny ranch for donating to Paul! Talk about fringe benefits.

http://www.townhall.com/video/FoxNews/2176_071129-17237_112907_live_hof_F1200

[Reason]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but you can get 2 for 1 at the Bunny ranch for donating to Paul! Talk about fringe benefits.

That story an attempt to defame Ron Paul by Faux News.

He deflected it well though, despite the interviewer injecting commentary throughout the interview:

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Also, this is a great example of Fox News Porn.

[dollfus46]

Ron Paul will be in Greenville tonight at the Peace Center Ampitheater at 7:00. I might go see guy.

[dreamhippy]

Man! I wish that I could go!

[deronde]

That email I got too about Greenville was misleading -- it was actually Greenville, SC :P

I too thought Ron Paul had no chances and was focusing on other candidates -- until he pulled $4.3 million bucks in 24 hours! Then I realized the movement was real.. there are over 83000 people on meetup.com who are actively organizing to help him (the closest candidate is Barack with just over 5000!

I'm registering Republican just for him :) End the wars! Restore our rights! Vote Ron Paul!

[dreamhippy]

There was a guy on FOX earlier today who had quit his job to go to IOWA to drum up votes and support for Ron Paul at his own expense. He and a friend were walking down streets knocking on doors and handing out Ron Paul literature. Why? Because there is a really GREAT candidate running for President this year. His name is Ron Paul! Once intelligent people are exposed to his platform of freedom, they get on board!

[dollfus46]

That email I got too about Greenville was misleading -- it was actually Greenville, SC :P

I too thought Ron Paul had no chances and was focusing on other candidates -- until he pulled $4.3 million bucks in 24 hours! Then I realized the movement was real.. there are over 83000 people on meetup.com who are actively organizing to help him (the closest candidate is Barack with just over 5000!

I'm registering Republican just for him :) End the wars! Restore our rights! Vote Ron Paul!

Yep. That's what I said above. I forget there is a Greenville, MS and just about every state in the nation. Sorry I failed to specify. He was here in Greenville, SC last night at the Ampitheater near downtown. Anderson, SC earlier in the day. That's just above Lake Hartwell near the GA state line.
Hussain will be in Columbia, SC with Opra today. Somebody needs to expose her as the racist she is and Hussain would drop her like a hot rock.

[hendrixfreak70]

I was wondering if conveyor belt is off the Paul bandwagon now?

[Pop]

I just heard that Ron Paul will be on the Glen Beck television program Tues 12-18-07 for the full hour. It should prove interesting.

[rdawg]

I just heard that Ron Paul will be on the Glen Beck television program Tues 12-8-07 for the full hour. It should prove interesting.

The 8th, HUH??? To the time machine!!!

[Pop]

SORRY "typo" the 18th

[rdawg]

SORRY "typo" the 18th

LOL

[dollfus46]

Thanks Pop. I'll tune in. I like to watch parts of Glen Beck.

[dreamhippy]

I hope everybody America tunes in!