Ron Paul for President thread.

[dreamhippy]

CNN(the Communist News :) Network) is my most trusted National news source, because unlike FOX and the big three mainstream networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) they do not pretend that the only candidates running for the President of the United States are the ones that they personally favor. Sure they seem to dedicate a great deal of coverage to Obama, showing that he`s their favorite, but at least they do not lead people in the public to believe their candidate might have dropped out of the race, as FOX tends to do with regards to candidate Ron Paul. Believe it or not, this type of attempted manipulation of who we vote for only confirms some of us in our belief that candidate Ron Paul is the ONLY one worthy of our vote. The fact that he is shown so much OBVIOUS DISCRIMINATION by FOX, shows us that he is the antithesis to the status quo. Obama talks about voting for change, but only Ron Paul truly offers change from globalist imperialism back to the founding principles of this country.

[Reason]

Just because they are the top donors on his campaign list, doesn't mean they support him more than other candidates. Only that other candidates have more generous donors that the military of our country.

More individual troops, no matter the size of their contributions, support Paul and Obama than they do McCain or Clinton. Those are the facts. You are wrong.

[dreamhippy]

"The threats to liberty seem endless. It seems we have forgotten to target the enemy. Instead we have inadvertently targeted the rights of American citizens. The crises (9/11) has offered a good opportunity for those who have argued all along for bigger government." -Ron Paul

"I see good reason for American citizens to be concerned, not only about another terrorist attack, but for their own personal freedoms as the Congress deals with the crisis (9/11). Personal freedom is the element of the human condition that has made America great and unique and something we all cherish. Even those who are more willing to sacrifice a little freedom for security do it with the firm conviction that they are acting in the best interest of freedom and justice. However, good intentions can never suffice for sound judgement in the defense of liberty." -Ron Paul
(NOV. 29, 2001)

[dreamhippy]

"Most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. The harm done by ordinary criminals, murderers, gangsters, and thieves is negligible in comparison with the agony inflicted upon human beings by the professional do-gooders, who attempt to set themselves up as gods on earth and who would ruthlessly force their views on all others----with the abiding assurance that the end justifies the means. This message is one we should all ponder."-Henry Grady Weaver, The Mainspring of Human Progress

[dreamhippy]

I received the below information in an e-mail. It checks out as true. Only one candidate running for President this year believes that we should get out of the UN and get the UN out of us: Ron Paul.


How they vote in the United Nations: Below are the actual voting records of
various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department
and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.

Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time

Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time

United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.

Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.

Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.

Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.

Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.

India votes against the United States 81% of the time.

Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.

Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

U S Foreign Aid to those that hate us:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States,
still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.
Jordan votes 71% against the United States

And receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States

Receives $ 6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States

Receives $143,699,000 annually.

Perhaps it is time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the
American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes (and
GASOLINE)

Pass this along to every taxpaying citizen you know.

Disgusting isn't it? http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp)

[hendrixfreak70]

Yeah but we 'need' to be in the UN, so say some of the 'conservatives' on here. Or at least said it before.

[Bluesman]

Yeah but we 'need' to be in the UN, so say some of the 'conservatives' on here. Or at least said it before.
Wouldn't hurt just to stay in so we would be able to read the other teams playbooks and know what those freaks were thinking/planning.:smt102

[nooskye]

I came across this video this morning after viewing a message posted by Dr. Paul yesterday on youtube. From what I gathered, he's still in the race, just being forced to keep a low profile, so when I came across this video, I thought I would post it to generate more discussion of him ... please no "bashing" ... we all know I'm an idiot, especially when it comes to politics, so I'm trying to educate myself a bit ... so, here's what I got:

Video #1: This is the message he posted yesterday ... I didn't hear him conceed the race, but I didn't hear him NOT either ... if that makes any sense ...

YouTube - Ron Paul's Message to Supporters


Vidoe #2: This is the thought provoking post, it's actually a response to the previous video; it's so true, it mad me cry ... but it got my wheel turning none the less ... now whether or not that's a *good* thing has yet to be determined :smt118

YouTube - Wake up America

[dollfus46]

You hang in there for your guy, Nooskye. It's the American way. Now that it's McCain and Paul in the race, I may go for Paul. It wouldn't be particularly smart for me, but when have I ever been smart?

[hendrixfreak70]

You know Noo, for me and alot of other people I know it wasn't always about Ron Paul winning. It was about getting people to see some of the problems (mainly ignoring the Constitution) that exist. That is why the grassroots supporters called it a Revolution. That wasn't Ron's idea, it was ours. 775,000 votes so far for Ron Paul may not seem like alot but it is important to know that there are many people out there that still know what a traditional conservative is all about. The Republican party was founded for freedom, for all. Freedom is a lake and we have been relegated to a corner of that lake. This movement is about getting our lake back.

[dreamhippy]

Today, Ron Paul said on CNN that he was no longer actively campaigning in the race, that he was effectively out of it. He then said that his supporters should no longer worry about campaigning for him, just keep trying to get him as many delegates as possible.....
Huh? That makes me wonder. Ron Paul is a really smart man. What the heck is his angle he`s working? I hope that if he cannot be our POTUS, that he will get to be in Juan McClinton`s cabinet, or better yet, get to be a SCOTUS judge.

[dollfus46]

Today, Ron Paul said on CNN that he was no longer actively campaigning in the race, that he was effectively out of it. He then said that his supporters should no longer worry about campaigning for him, just keep trying to get him as many delegates as possible.....
Huh? That makes me wonder. Ron Paul is a really smart man. What the heck is his angle he`s working? I hope that if he cannot be our POTUS, that he will get to be in Juan McClinton`s cabinet, or better yet, get to be a SCOTUS judge.
Ron Paul for Justice of the Supreme Court!!:smt023

[dreamhippy]

January 24, 2002

"After the demise of our nemesis, the Soviet Union, many believed that we could safely withdraw from some of our worldwide commitments. It was hoped we would start minding our own business, save some money, and reduce the threat to our military personell. But, the opposite has happened. Without any international competition for super-power status, our commitments have grown and spread, so that today we provide better military protection to Taiwan and South Korea and Saudi Arabia than we do for our own cities of New York and Washington.
I am certain that national security and defense of our own cities can never be adequately provided unless we reconsider our policy of foreign interventionism.
Conventional wisdom in Washington today is that we have no choice but to play the role of the world`s only superpower. Recently, we had to cancel flights of our own Air Force over our cities because of spending constraints, and we rely on foreign AWACS aircraft to patrol our airspace.
The American people are not in sync with the assuption that we must comit ourselves endlessly to being the world`s policemen. If we do not wisely step back and reassess our worldwide commitments and our endless entanglements as we march toward world government, economic law will one day force us to do so anyway under undesireable circumstances. In the meantime, we can expect plenty more military confrontations around the world while becoming even more vulnerable to attack by terrorists here at home."
-Congressman Ron Paul

[jojobeans1120]

I'm a bit confused. If McCain has the number of delegates needed to win the nomination, and it is obvious that the delegates aren't going to change their minds at the convention, why is Paul still in the race?

[hendrixfreak70]

I'm a bit confused. If McCain has the number of delegates needed to win the nomination, and it is obvious that the delegates aren't going to change their minds at the convention, why is Paul still in the race?

He has alot of money and he is still in it to spread his message. Once again, for me at least, it shows that he was sincere. He wasnt just trying to be POTUS.

[jojobeans1120]

He has alot of money and he is still in it to spread his message. Once again, for me at least, it shows that he was sincere. He wasnt just trying to be POTUS.

Sincere, maybe. Is he allowed to write off any money that he's lost on his tax return? :laugh:
I just can't see the reason behind him sticking it out and making himself appear as an idiot to others b/c he demands to be heard. He should have been a bit more outspoken during the beginning. I like Paul and had every intention of voting for him, but voted in democratic race, for Obama, instead.
With McCain having won the nomination before the primaries made it to MS, I felt it a waste a time to vote Republican. There was nothing that could have been done, nor can be done now, to change the fact that McCain won. As bad as some hate it, the nail is in the coffin when it comes to the Republican nomination.

[hendrixfreak70]

Sincere, maybe. Is he allowed to write off any money that he's lost on his tax return? :laugh:
I just can't see the reason behind him sticking it out and making himself appear as an idiot to others b/c he demands to be heard. He should have been a bit more outspoken during the beginning. I like Paul and had every intention of voting for him, but voted in democratic race, for Obama, instead.
With McCain having won the nomination before the primaries made it to MS, I felt it a waste a time to vote Republican. There was nothing that could have been done, nor can be done now, to change the fact that McCain won. As bad as some hate it, the nail is in the coffin when it comes to the Republican nomination.

For me, and many others, Ron Paul spreading his message (actually our Founders message) is as important if not more so than him running for President. The Republican party used to be (at least it came closest with Reagan) stood for several things that it doesnt stand for now. It was like a lake. Now we have been relegated to a corner of that lake. We want our lake back and we hope this is the movement that helps us get it back. I agree there could have been more done, but the media had already picked their front runners and the only reason Paul received any love is mostly because of his grassroots. Propaganda, lies, blackouts, and picking the front runners is what hammered that nail.

[jojobeans1120]

I don't think the Republican party will ever be what it was during the Reagan years.

As far as the media, I believe they pick the nominees, not the public. They pick a favorite and push them down our throats.

[hendrixfreak70]

I don't think the Republican party will ever be what it was during the Reagan years.

As far as the media, I believe they pick the nominees, not the public. They pick a favorite and push them down our throats.

I agree and it is sad:confused:

[jojobeans1120]

It is very sad. This country is going to hell in a hand basket!

[dollfus46]

It is very sad. This country is going to hell in a hand basket!
I agree, Jojo. It will never get back in my lifetime. With Edwards's delegates in Iowa going for Obama the country is in trouble.:smt086

[jojobeans1120]

I most likely will not vote. I cannot vote for McCain. I just can't bring myself to do it.

[dollfus46]

I most likely will not vote. I cannot vote for McCain. I just can't bring myself to do it.

Well, one of the three is going to be President, right? May as well get your name in the pot. Go vote for Hillary. But not the radical racist Obama.

[shultz dooley]

I was just sitting here wondering, how it is, that for the last five presidential and congressional election cycles (20 years), we the people, keep hiring losers? I was pumped for Paul, I was sure, more citizens wanted change. Now, I'm just sure there are no more original thinkers, we let TV and radio personalities do our thinking for us.

[Conveyor Belt]

Ron Paul is out of touch on a few things. If someone with Obama's rhetoric would carry Paul's message, then you'd see more people on it.

[shultz dooley]

I'm not sure what Paul is out of touch on, but rhetoric can also be defined as *complex or elaborate language that only succeeds in sounding pretentious* or *fine-sounding but insincere or empty language*(I cheated and looked it up:oops:), which would describe bama (the monster and mclame also) to a Tee. But you do have a point CB, it is all about communication and although anywhere form 5% to 8% of the people understands his message of dynamic change, it is not nearly enough. :cry:

[hendrixfreak70]

I would say someone with Obama's charisma not necessarily his rhetoric, because rhetoric is empty. I was wearing my "I support Ron Paul" shirt in Wal-Mart and this older gentleman said "I like your shirt, I really like it". Suprised me because Paul people know he isn't getting the nod. Made me happy to know people are 'still in it'.

[jojobeans1120]

A lot of people are supportive of his ideas. I think that he's made a few weird comments and doesn't have the presidential look that most are lookin' for,however. If someone were to come along and push more of his ideas, a lot younger, and a more eye appealing appearance, they might have a chance.
JMHO

[hendrixfreak70]

No doubt to me his ideas are the best. Ron Paul has admitted that he is not the polished politician (which to me is a relief) and that he is not perfect, but he says his message is. And I believe that too. Ron Paul could die tomorrow and I wouldn't bat an eye. These things he talks about are things I have long since agreed with and I am glad that was someone above me that felt the same way. Come to find out there will be at least a million voters that believe the same way. A million may not sound like alot but all it takes is one. I am in it for the long haul. No aggressive wars, sound money, independence from the likes of the UN and WTO and NAFTA, no illegal spying, freedom to move about without being harrassed, the list goes on.

[Conveyor Belt]

Paul is out of touch with the average American and popular culture. I remember an interview, can't recall, where he had trouble b/c he couldn't relate to pop culture references. Kind of like Bush and the "What? Whaddya mean gasoline cost $3/gal? Is that a lot?"

Give the message to someone who can deliver it, and it might catch hold... otherwise, it's just a bunch of wingbats, or so it seems.

[hendrixfreak70]

He didn't know who Mel Gibson was or what movies Tom Cruise was in. Pretty out of touch. Perhaps thats good perhaps bad. He asked someone around him when he went on Jay Leno what movies Tom Cruise was in. I agree Paul is bland, extremely smart but bland. Now that his nod is over perhaps a new torch-bearer is needed? I'll do it. :)

[dreamhippy]

The media is now promoting that Mitt Romney be chosen as McCain`s running mate. Mitt Romney who wants RFID chipping. Mitt Romney whom I detest right along with McCain more than the rest of the GOP field of candidates for their mutual deplorable treatment of Ron Paul during the televised debates. Every time Ron Paul talked about the NAFTA Superhighway, or the North American Union, both John McCain and Mitt Romney would become furious and lie that this was a figment of his imagination. IT WASN`T! The NAU, and the NAFTA Superhighway are both in the works! Both McCain and Romney knew it. That makes them liars and deceivers. But it was their attitude toward the honest man Ron Paul that makes me refuse to ever support either of them.

[hendrixfreak70]

The media is now promoting that Mitt Romney be chosen as McCain`s running mate. Mitt Romney who wants RFID chipping. Mitt Romney whom I detest right along with McCain more than the rest of the GOP field of candidates for their mutual deplorable treatment of Ron Paul during the televised debates. Every time Ron Paul talked about the NAFTA Superhighway, or the North American Union, both John McCain and Mitt Romney would become furious and lie that this was a figment of his imagination. IT WASN`T! The NAU, and the NAFTA Superhighway are both in the works! Both McCain and Romney knew it. That makes them liars and deceivers. But it was their attitude toward the honest man Ron Paul that makes me refuse to ever support either of them.

A million damn rep points if I could give it!

[dreamhippy]

Voting For “Lesser Of Two Evils” Will Not Save America

VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/080415_voting.htm (http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/080415_voting.htm)


By Chuck Baldwin


This is a really good read. Long, but good.

[Conveyor Belt]

Voting For “Lesser Of Two Evils” Will Not Save America

VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/080415_voting.htm (http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/080415_voting.htm)


By Chuck Baldwin


This is a really good read. Long, but good.

And that's why I'm voting for Obama.

[shultz dooley]

I can honestly say that, I have never compromised my values during an election. I will not cast a vote for anyone I deem to be a, pandering, deceitful, scoundrel. Yes, I have taken some abuse for putting so and so in office (because I threw my vote away), but more times than not, I've had people come back to me (forgetting their previous stance) and say "can you believe, that mofo?", when I kindly remind them that, they also wanted me to vote for that mofo. So it will be with great pleasure, that my vote will not be cast for any of the three blind mice, but will instead be cast for the only candidate that lives up to my values, Ron Paul.


Responsible or not? Absolut re-maps North America



http://responsiblemarketing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/absolut_mexico_map_1.jpg

Absolut Vodka of Sweden created a bit of uproar recently by re-mapping North America to include most of the American southwest as part of Mexico.
Although the ad was only run in Mexico and was meant to be taken tongue-in-cheek, U.S. consumers threatened boycott and Absulut apologized and yanked (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0729018920080408) the ad.

[dreamhippy]

I like my Alcoholic Spirits made in Tennessee, Kentucky or Ireland, so I won`t even suffer giving up drinking Absolut.

[mi_nombre_es]

I like my spirits made in New Mexico, from the finest mountain grown pineapples.........damn patron silver is fine stuff! =)

[dreamhippy]

"Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer are terribly mistaken. Subjecting every citizen to surveillance and “screening points” will actually make us less safe, not in the least because it will divert resources away from tracking and apprehending terrorists and deploy them against innocent Americans!"

- Ron Paul

[dreamhippy]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/features/two-candidates/two-candidates.jpg (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about)

[LipsofanAngel]

Now there are 2? Tell that to the MANY people that still have never heard the name- Ron Paul.

[hendrixfreak70]

A million votes in a primary season that had about 13 known names on the ballots in the states is good for me. That and he has a number one best seller on the NY Times book list. This is precisely the reason I am not upset he didn't 'win'. The word is out, 1 million votes (and likely to be a little more before it's all over) will go a long way in a general election. If McCain is smart (and he isn't) he'll try to reach out to us.

[shultz dooley]

Ron Paul is looking better all the time. There is a reason he has such a grassroots base. He has managed to send a clear message and being the MD that he is, he understands the regimen needed to cure our country.

YouTube - Two Ron's make a right

[mac]

I most likely will not vote. I cannot vote for McCain. I just can't bring myself to do it.

No offense, but that kind of attitude is exactly what is going to get Obama elected. If Republicans stick their nose up at McCain, we really will be screwed.

Suck it up. The alternative just might be the freaking antiChrist.

[Chichiguita]

:kekeke:

[shultz dooley]

I can't understand y'all. You have "No" desire to be lead by any of the three leading dimwits, but you all are totally against, even listening to what Ron Paul has to say. Mind boggeling :confused: If y'all believe in "Our Constitution" and "Our Bill of Rights", this guy is head and shoulders above the other three. I'm really having a hard time understanding why, anyone would settle for the the dimwits, who have only proven what we all know, that they will, do anything, say anything and be beholdin to any scum bag willing to front them the bucks to get elected :smt009. Ron's positions on all the hot button issues line up (at least from what I've seen from everyone on here) with the averge joe's positions.

Illegal Immigration
Taxes
2nd Ammedment
etc.

Political positions of Ron Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul



Here's a different utube chingaladero.

YouTube - 2 Rons make a right

[hendrixfreak70]

They're all the anti-christ. McCain is Obama and vice versa.

[Pirate_129]

I think what has hurt Ron Paul among many people that might be willing to support him is the near cult-like fixation many of his supporters have with him. I agree with many of his ideas and would be much more open to backing him or his successor if his followers would espouse more of the ideas he respresents and less of the "Ron Paul is a demi-god and only thing that can save America" attitude that seems to be somewhat prevelant. :smt023

/falme away

[hendrixfreak70]

I think what has hurt Ron Paul among many people that might be willing to support him is the near cult-like fixation many of his supporters have with him. I agree with many of his ideas and would be much more open to backing him or his successor if his followers would espouse more of the ideas he respresents and less of the "Ron Paul is a demi-god and only thing that can save America" attitude that seems to be somewhat prevelant. :smt023

/falme away

I know exactly what you're talking about. I almost went down that path. However, I am willing to vote for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin too because they espouse the same things I do. I have said almost since the start that it wasn't about Ron Paul, it's about the message. And I still believe that now.

[shultz dooley]

I guess I didn't realize I was part of a cult. My wife did ask me why I'm combing my hair differently. She said what's up with the wave :kekeke:http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_03/mormum2AP1504_468x315.jpg

[mac]

I can't understand y'all. You have "No" desire to be lead by any of the three leading dimwits, but you all are totally against, even listening to what Ron Paul has to say. Mind boggeling :confused: If y'all believe in "Our Constitution" and "Our Bill of Rights", this guy is head and shoulders above the other three. I'm really having a hard time understanding why, anyone would settle for the the dimwits, who have only proven what we all know, that they will, do anything, say anything and be beholdin to any scum bag willing to front them the bucks to get elected :smt009. Ron's positions on all the hot button issues line up (at least from what I've seen from everyone on here) with the averge joe's positions.

Illegal Immigration
Taxes
2nd Ammedment
etc.

Political positions of Ron Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul



Here's a different utube chingaladero.

YouTube - 2 Rons make a right (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78sNGHowl4)

I like Ron Paul.

But.
He.
Can't.
Win.

So I'll be damned if I'm gonna cast a vote for him when it can do a lot more good to keep Obama OUT of the White House.

[dreamhippy]

I see your point, but disagree. I would rather refrain from voting for evil, than to vote for evil. Whoever is to be the winner has already been pre-determined to be evil, but I do not have to vote for evil to accomplish it. I am not a puppet to be manipulated by the lesser of two evils argument. Like Pinoccio, there are no strings on me. There is a non-evil alternative. I choose that option.

[mac]

Evil. Rrriiiiiiight.

No, you're not a puppet. You're a free thinker!

[fuzzis]

None of the candidates are "evil". And regardless of who wins, America is still going to be OK. The sun is still going to shine the day after the election, and we'll continue to do whatever it is that we're going to do. We've survived shitty presidents before.

The hyperbole is humorous. It really is.

[dreamhippy]

I hope none of them are intrinsically evil. I wasn`t trying to imply that they are. I was using that particular word because we are AGAIN in the position we have been in before in recent Presidential elections, where we find ourselves hearing folks frequently use the expression "lesser of two evils". I just prefer to not choose any of the poor choices when there is in my opinion a positive choice.

[Pirate_129]

"I am a God-fearing Christian Ron Paul Republican FREEDOM-loving red-blooded American man."

versus

"I am a God-fearing Christian Republican FREEDOM-loving red-blooded American man."

Please explain to me the difference in these two statements? This is the crux of my disagreement with Paulites. People have defined themselves as Christian conservatives and voted their heart for years. I just don't grasp the prophet status that has been bestowed and the unwillingness to admit what Dr. Paul himself has admited, that his campaign is over.

[dreamhippy]

I was expressing my agreement with true Conservatism without espousing agreement with the NEO-CON Right currently in charge of the Republican Party. Many are unaware of the difference. The Christian Right helped put the NEO-CONS on top. My vote and theirs aren`t always in agreement. BUT, I am always a Christian, and always an old school Republican with Jeffersonian values. I do not think I said RP was a prophet. He is good at predicting political outcomes of foolhardy actions; however, and has demonstrated that numerous times in the past. The Revolution to take back the Party has just begun.

[mac]

None of the candidates are "evil". And regardless of who wins, America is still going to be OK. The sun is still going to shine the day after the election, and we'll continue to do whatever it is that we're going to do. We've survived shitty presidents before.

The hyperbole is humorous. It really is.

I agree, but I wonder how many CONSECUTIVE shitty presidents we can stand?

[shultz dooley]

Can anyone explain to me why Ron isn't taken seriously? I really hadn't heard the cult take on all this, I just thought it was a bunch of people supporting him, that were tired of the same ole same old. I just think the man is as down to earth as any guy you'd see at the feed store and what he says about immigration, guns, taxes, and goverment appeals to me.

[Pirate_129]

I can only speak for myself, but I would say the greatest reason Paul hasn't been seen as more of a legitimate contender is, what I would consider, the outspoken minority of his supporters. I would venture to say the bulk of his backers are conservatives who are just fed up with the status quo and want to see positive changes. The minority are the ones that are slinging doom and gloom everywhere they go. They are preaching that only Paul can save our country and everyone that doesn't see this is a fool. Perhaps it is because his strong base is online and we all know bloggers can whine and #@*^% more than anyone. :smt118

Backing Paul is great, but once his chance at election ended most people moved on. I would bet you even a bulk of the people that have voted for him in recent primaries are sending their statement there and not in the general election. I'll be honest with you, when I see someone say they will be writing Paul's name in no matter what, that reinforces the fact that some of his supporters are as caught up in the man as the message.


I tend to get pissy when people imply that the US will fall apart without a particular person. As Fuzzis pointed out, we have survived bad presidents, bad legislators, bad judges, and bad citizens. For all the "evil" we do, we have been and still are the shining light in our world. People like to complain about the response to Katrina. Turn on your TV and looked at Mynmar right now and compare things. We like to whine about the "war" and how horrible the president is. Guess what, we can still complain without fear of reprisal. Many of the people on this forum risk their lives to protect what this country is. Some do it overseas and some do it on Hardy Street. It's a damn shame when someone says or implies that if Paul isn't elected, all their efforts are for naught. That in a nutshell is what has turned me off to him.

I apologize if this isn't as well written as I'd like, but I m trying to fold clothes, do some work, and type this all at once. :smt023

[hendrixfreak70]

I can only speak for myself, but I would say the greatest reason Paul hasn't been seen as more of a legitimate contender is, what I would consider, the outspoken minority of his supporters. I would venture to say the bulk of his backers are conservatives who are just fed up with the status quo and want to see positive changes. The minority are the ones that are slinging doom and gloom everywhere they go. They are preaching that only Paul can save our country and everyone that doesn't see this is a fool. Perhaps it is because his strong base is online and we all know bloggers can whine and #@*^% more than anyone. :smt118

Backing Paul is great, but once his chance at election ended most people moved on. I would bet you even a bulk of the people that have voted for him in recent primaries are sending their statement there and not in the general election. I'll be honest with you, when I see someone say they will be writing Paul's name in no matter what, that reinforces the fact that some of his supporters are as caught up in the man as the message.


I tend to get pissy when people imply that the US will fall apart without a particular person. As Fuzzis pointed out, we have survived bad presidents, bad legislators, bad judges, and bad citizens. For all the "evil" we do, we have been and still are the shining light in our world. People like to complain about the response to Katrina. Turn on your TV and looked at Mynmar right now and compare things. We like to whine about the "war" and how horrible the president is. Guess what, we can still complain without fear of reprisal. Many of the people on this forum risk their lives to protect what this country is. Some do it overseas and some do it on Hardy Street. It's a damn shame when someone says or implies that if Paul isn't elected, all their efforts are for naught. That in a nutshell is what has turned me off to him.

I apologize if this isn't as well written as I'd like, but I m trying to fold clothes, do some work, and type this all at once. :smt023

Even though I am a 9/11 was an inside job, Illuminati, and New World Order kinda guy, I understand what you're saying. The best I can hope for is to cling to my faith, provide for my family, and duck dive dodge, and duck when I need to. But, don't let those who say the world is at its end turn you away from following the guidelines of conservatism, no matter who it is, it doesn't have to be Ron Paul. :ohnoes:

[Pirate_129]

But, don't let those who say the world is at its end turn you away from following the guidelines of conservatism, no matter who it is, it doesn't have to be Ron Paul. :ohnoes:

I won't. :smt023

[shultz dooley]

I agree, but I wonder how many CONSECUTIVE shitty presidents we can stand?

I guess we all need to stockup on enough charmin to last the next four years :-D

[dreamhippy]

I won't. :smt023

Good man! Also, I actually agree with Fuzzis on the point that it will not be over no matter which one of them is elected. America will survive. That is actually helping me to decide that none of the three front-running contenders desparately needs my vote. Voting for any of them would make me feel bad for voting for them while benefitting someone I disapprove of, so I won`t vote for them. Some have said that by not voting for one, I am voting for their opponent. Fine! I despise them all equally. So I will vote for the candidate I don`t despise, not out of cult-like worship, but out of necessity to avoid voting for the others, while exercising my right to vote. On amnesty alone all of the front-runners have already parted ways with me and lost my vote. Peace to those who feel the same. Peace to those who feel differently. :)

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1957

[dreamhippy]

YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH

The New World Order

Only one candidate would stop this headlong rush toward world government. Please, watch the video and ponder it.

[Conveyor Belt]

The New World Order

Only one candidate would stop this headlong rush toward world government. Please, watch the video and ponder it.

I'm reading a biography of Thomas Paine right now. Does everyone remember Thomas Paine from history class? And his pamphlet 'Common Sense' that help stoke the fires of freedom for the farmers of the American Colonies?

We think of Paine as this patriot and figure in the founding of America, but I wasn't aware that Paine longed for a world government. Hell, Paine was a Marxist in a fashion before Marx was born. In reading, I can see where Marx got a lot of ideas from Paine.

Just something to ponder as we opine about the 'New World Order'... not really that 'new' afterall.

[nooskye]

That video is really kinda creepy dreamhippy and unfortunately true :ohnoes: God help us ... cause it sounds like no one else can :(

[nooskye]

I'm reading a biography of Thomas Paine right now. Does everyone remember Thomas Paine from history class? And his pamphlet 'Common Sense' that help stoke the fires of freedom for the farmers of the American Colonies?

We think of Paine as this patriot and figure in the founding of America, but I wasn't aware that Paine longed for a world government. Hell, Paine was a Marxist in a fashion before Marx was born. In reading, I can see where Marx got a lot of ideas from Paine.

Just something to ponder as we opine about the 'New World Order'... not really that 'new' afterall.

Because I've slept since High School History :-D ... I looked him up, interesting reads ...

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558762/Thomas_Paine.html

[gregprine]

Anybody going to Minneapolis in September?