Ron Paul for President thread. [Archive] - My Hattiesburg Community

Conveyor Belt

11-05-2007, 09:49 AM

Historically, young people don't get out to vote. They talk a good game, wear the t-shirts, go to the parties, but when Tuesday rolls around, they don't show up to cast the vote.

That being said, if Paul can pull big numbers in the first primary, then he'll start to get the recontition I feel he deserves. I'm just not sure people are going to be comfortable voting for someone who's not leading in the media.

I watched Fred Thompson on Meet the Press on Sunday. It was my first time to watch him. My wife watched with me. She said she liked him. I said I didn't trust him. Trust is a HUGE issue with me and who I cast a vote for. He's too much a politician for me to vote for him at this time.

Today's the day to donate to Paul, though. He's having a drive online. it's already up to 4 mil, which is 1 mil more than it was when I checked it last night.

just-Wynn

11-05-2007, 10:20 AM

Ron Paul. Yesterday's Promise, Today. :police:

I'd vote for Ron Paul. I really like most of what he has to say; Oh, and the middle letter of his first name looks like a donut. :police:

RGDoherty

11-05-2007, 10:23 AM

Hey Wynn, how come you haven't given advice on the low fat diet thread????

Hob684

11-05-2007, 10:28 AM

the money drive shown on www.ronpaul2008.com (http://www.ronpaul2008.com) is what he has received so far this quarter..

there is a seperate money bomb for today www.thisnovemberth5th.com (http://www.thisnovemberth5th.com)
trying to get 100,000 people to donate $100 dollars today. If it works it'll be the largest donation given by individuals received in one day.

Hob684

11-05-2007, 11:14 AM

hawk, did you join http://ronpaul.meetup.com/582/ ? or another meetup?

you may want to message Harry Crumpler and let him know that DOnanelles is open for meetups.

Hob684

11-05-2007, 01:26 PM

$5.1 million as of 1:26pm

check out the drastic increase of todays donations..

http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/index_norm.html

Hob684

11-05-2007, 01:43 PM

So far in 2008, the biggest day belongs to Mitt Romney. On January 8th, he raised just over $3.1 million.

so far RP has just over 2.03 mil just Today.

the 5.1 is for the 4th Quarter which ends on Dec. 31.

the goal is 12mil by end of the 4th.

Honey

11-05-2007, 01:56 PM

That sounds like an awful lot of money. How does that compare to the other candidates? And why hasn't the media picked up on all this online support? Seems like when Gore had alot of online support it was all over the news. I think I remember that but don't hold me to it. I tend to forget.....alot.

Hob684

11-05-2007, 03:12 PM

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

click the Debts column so it sorts acending (least debt to highest)...

Brownback is out so that makes RP the candidate with the least debts ($0 SHOCKER I KNOW) with the most money on hand.

wow.. Mitt is $17,3 in the RED

Hob684

11-05-2007, 03:34 PM

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/finance/2007/q3/comparison/

you can also go here and view all candidates and even break down contributions by candidate, state, and zip code.

These are all Q3 findings so any donations after Sept 1(?) aren't listed.

TheKing

11-05-2007, 03:49 PM

http://www.newsandpolicy.com/news/2007/11/ron-paul-smashes-expectations-hauls-in-more-than-1.html

ron paul is on his way up kids

Conveyor Belt

11-05-2007, 04:14 PM

Mitt's got that Mormon money backing him. And as I used to be affiliated with Mormonism, I can make that claim... there are some super wealthy Mormons out there that will back Mitt. And there are some wealthy MA residents who'll back him, too.

I'm about to go and buy a bumper sticker and perhaps drop $5 in the pot. I'm poor now, and can't afford to drop much more than that.

kevin

11-05-2007, 05:19 PM

I must admit Ron Paul's ideas are awesome! I saw him the other night on Jay leno and he really was a very smart likeable guy who I'd have no problem voting for. I've heard so many people ask where can I get a Ron paul yard sign? I told them the Internet but if anyone knows of any place local please let me know.

Conveyor Belt

11-05-2007, 05:26 PM

T bone records...

Hob684

11-05-2007, 10:53 PM

Ron Paul is Money.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=3822989&page=1

rdawg

11-06-2007, 01:27 AM

This is the thread for posting news and views on Ron Paul's candidacy for President of these United States.

He has roots, grass roots, and we're growing rapidly.

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=150766

Ron Paul has no real chance. He seems really popular at the time and that may grow a little more. He is great on fiscal responsibility and domestic ventures but when it comes to foreign policy he is way out there. I think he is a little to out there for america and especially the republicans ( he's really is a libratarian)... But the old saying applies here. "dont ingnore the message even though the messenger is a raving lunatic"

Hob684

11-06-2007, 07:20 AM

Ron Paul has no real chance. He seems really popular at the time and that may grow a little more. He is great on fiscal responsibility and domestic ventures but when it comes to foreign policy he is way out there. I think he is a little to out there for america and especially the republicans ( he's really is a libratarian)... But the old saying applies here. "dont ingnore the message even though the messenger is a raving lunatic"

keep tellin yourself that.

and no, he really is a traditional republican. The GOP has moved so far left that now anyone running on traditional conservative values looks like a nutjob.

fuzzis

11-06-2007, 07:24 AM

Did someone stating their opinion really deserve a groan? This stuff isn't (or shouldn't be) personal, you know...and there are many folks out there who believe the same things he does.

Hob684

11-06-2007, 07:29 AM

yes. He is ignoring facts and bringing rhetoric and untruths into this thread.

and i can't help but take it a little bit personal. If any one else wins; we all lose, we're in war for atleast another 5 years, bigger deficit, SS takes a crap, and personal freedom as you know it is gone.

Fish-Bait

11-06-2007, 07:49 AM

Ron Paul Sets Republican Fundraising Record with $4.2 Million in One Day

hmmm..... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308404,00.html)

:icon_meta :musicband :rock_band :singer: :headbang: :headbang::headbang::guitarist :guns: :icon_army :icon_work :scratchch

Sounds like they had a big ole' party!!! It dang sho' got FOX's attention.

TheKing

11-06-2007, 08:00 AM

Ron Paul has no real chance. He seems really popular at the time and that may grow a little more. He is great on fiscal responsibility and domestic ventures but when it comes to foreign policy he is way out there. I think he is a little to out there for america and especially the republicans ( he's really is a libratarian)... But the old saying applies here. "dont ingnore the message even though the messenger is a raving lunatic"

so youre saying a non interventionist (basically dont bother people) foreign policy is a bad thing?

you are a fool.

jojobeans1120

11-06-2007, 09:03 AM

I think he's got a lot of great ideas, but people are more about voting for the party and not the person.Sad but true

Scipio

11-06-2007, 09:12 AM

Ron Paul at least has ideas. I may disagree with many of them, but sweet Christ on a crutch, there are thoughts in his head.

We've had 7 years of stupid president, after 8 years of smart president. Time to get back on the wagon.

jojobeans1120

11-06-2007, 09:16 AM

I don't give a damn what party a person belongs to at this point. I want someone to simply lead this country in the right direction. Get our boys home, forget the PC - BS and let's move forward!!!

TheKing

11-06-2007, 09:19 AM

I don't give a damn what party a person belongs to at this point. I want someone to simply lead this country in the right direction. Get our boys home, forget the PC - BS and let's move forward!!!

then ron paul is your man...please donate (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/) to his campaign to help make a difference

rdawg

11-06-2007, 11:12 AM

I dissagree. I do believe Ron Paul has a very real chance. Hobs did a fine, simple job of explaining why Paul stands out among Republicans. He's the only one with common sense.

In case you haven't taken notes, our foreign policy sucks and our dollar is near rock bottom, while China seems to stay out of policing the world, builds the largest (some say superior) military including a cyber war and satelite war division, and has the largest, fastest growing economy in the world, also including owning much of the real assets and treasure of America, and as the trade deficit continues to spiral in their favor to the tune of over $200 billion per year.

Please smell the coffee and get off the kool-aid.

We have made tactical errors in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still we should be there. This anti-war and president rhetoric you hear everyday, not just from the people, but the halls of congress is what has worked against us so long. similar to vietnam, a majority of ppl aren't against the war they are against a war we haven't won because we are fighting a politically correct war. We cannot cut and run from Iraq, if we do what's the difference if we just left Germany after WW2. What's the differance in the Baath party coming back to power or the Nazi party. I believe that issue alone will keep him no where near the republican nomination. China is a good model for this country. If most Americans are against "torture" to get truths out of terrorists, we should model ourselves after the country with the most human rights violations in the world. I think that policy would be well accepted by the far left anti-american groups here. "kill your own, not anyone else." Brilliant

Conveyor Belt

11-06-2007, 11:25 AM

I'm not concerned so much with the foreign policy. What good does it do to waft around the world fixing things if our nation is, IMO, crumbling from within? We need to invest in America. We need to do what's right in America so people can be proud of America again. What do I mean by that? Do you know how many young people have NO sense of country right now? We've been indoctrinating kids via social programs with sh!t that has absolutely no value toward developing a patriotic citizen. College aged kids are saying they'll "never fight for this country" because they don't see the things they have to lose. Frankly, I can sort of see their point.

As I grow older, I forsee more and more bullsh!t about taxes and social security. I know that my wages are going to be taxed and taxed and taxed in order to pay for social programs I'm never going to use, or are woefully inadequate for what they are touted to be.

So, lets elect Paul for 4 years. Give us 4 years to regroup and reorganize and refocus America. The world isn't going to go to chaos in 4 years. We've got enough domestic oil to last us 4 years if the mideast goes south.

Clinton wants more social programs, Thompson is for maintaining the current status quo. How is that better?

Augustus McRae

11-06-2007, 12:02 PM

We have made tactical errors in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still we should be there. This anti-war and president rhetoric you hear everyday, not just from the people, but the halls of congress is what has worked against us so long. similar to vietnam, a majority of ppl aren't against the war they are against a war we haven't won because we are fighting a politically correct war. We cannot cut and run from Iraq, if we do what's the difference if we just left Germany after WW2. What's the differance in the Baath party coming back to power or the Nazi party. I believe that issue alone will keep him no where near the republican nomination. China is a good model for this country. If most Americans are against "torture" to get truths out of terrorists, we should model ourselves after the country with the most human rights violations in the world. I think that policy would be well accepted by the far left anti-american groups here. "kill your own, not anyone else." Brilliant

You made your point well, dawg, but I respectfully and strongly disagree. I think MOST people, indeed, are "...against the (THIS one in "..the Iraq...") war. It does NOT parallel the events of post-WWII Nazi Germany you cited. It is economic, it is self-serving for the few, and it is misdirected - IMHO.

I deeply, deeply regret that the lives of American fighting men and women have been lost in Iraq. They did as they are trained and ordered - as American fighting men and women do. But I want the rest of them home and away from the lunacy.

fuzzis

11-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Augustus McRae

11-06-2007, 12:14 PM

Some people have been saying these things for a LONG time...and have been called traitors and unpatriotic for speaking what people are now recognizing as the truth. :(

If nothing else it has been interesting to watch the turn-around.

Has been my "day one" and "day now" mantra on the subject - I think the "turn around" in many of us has been that we never, ever want to do anything to offend, discredit, or pay less than honor to our American fighting men and women; so we have taken care with our rhetoric and our words. But, by God, it's time to bring them home, Mr. Bush...bring them home!

TARZAN

11-06-2007, 12:30 PM

I'm actually excited about what Paul has to say, have been for awhile now. I'm hoping the word gets out and his popularity continues to grow! Theres nothing wrong with being old school, its obvious that what was used in the old school worked, because we're still truckin along ;)

-Will

Hob684

11-06-2007, 12:35 PM

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/582/
www.ronpaul2008.com (http://www.ronpaul2008.com)

help the word get out..

fuzzis

11-06-2007, 12:35 PM

Has been my "day one" and "day now" mantra on the subject - I think the "turn around" in many of us has been that we never, ever want to do anything to offend, discredit, or pay less than honor to our American fighting men and women; so we have taken care with our rhetoric and our words. But, by God, it's time to bring them home, Mr. Bush...bring them home!

You know...there are many who have been equally careful about their "rhetoric" and "words". Only to be told that they must want the terrorists to win, or that they should pack up and leave the country, or that they don't support the troops, or whatever.

Somewhere along the line we lost the ability to be civil in our discourse about the things that really matter, and we don't hear when others speak, particularly if their opinion doesn't match up with ours. We move immediately into attack mode, and personally, I think that more than ****ed up policies and the unresponsiveness of the government has turned people off with regard to this whole process.

TARZAN

11-06-2007, 12:41 PM

Augustus McRae

11-06-2007, 12:47 PM

This how it works.....if things are going well (EVEN if the goverment helped get them that way) people want goverment to leave them alone or they'll complain

If things are going bad, they complain that the goverment isn't doing enough, and they'll complain...

Its looks to me like a large group of uneducated people who simply look to take no blame on themselves.....and thats what society has become.

-Will

There is some truth in what you say, Ape Man. But here's another dead solid butt truth: For things to change - for things to get better - very, very often the few have to speak for the many. One of the things I have come to admire about the citizenry of MyH.com is that many here are not afraid - at least behind this screen in Oz - to be a little crazy and zealous about what's important to them. It will take those kind of folks - with the screen torn away - to change the leadership situation we are in.

TARZAN

11-06-2007, 12:49 PM

It will take those kind of folks - with the screen torn away - to change the leadership situation we are in.

Thats the thing....I'm all over the internet, believe that, and there are people like this everywhere. But you rarely find many who are willing to stand up and say what they believe when they're face in the spotlight....Good thing? Definitely not.....Show you who REALLY wants change? Definitely...

-Will

Scipio

11-06-2007, 03:42 PM

I signed up for Ron Paul meet up. This oughta be fun.

Conveyor Belt

11-06-2007, 03:45 PM

Are we indicitive of what's going on in America right now? This is kind of surreal...

Scipio

11-06-2007, 03:55 PM

I doubt it. But then again, I voted for Paul Leslie Riley for Ag Commissioner.

Conveyor Belt

11-06-2007, 03:56 PM

I doubt it. But then again, I voted for Paul Leslie Riley for Ag Commissioner.

I did too... and I think a lot of people did. We'll see tonight.

threekidspa

11-06-2007, 03:58 PM

What's this Ron Paul meet-up you speak of?

Conveyor Belt

11-06-2007, 04:05 PM

What's this Ron Paul meet-up you speak of?

Ron Paul meetups are where Paul supporters meet up and discuss paul, get materials, plan the grassroots push to get paul elected, etc.

They haven't been held at a time where I could go, but I'd like to go to one someday.

threekidspa

11-06-2007, 04:12 PM

See, I guess I don't understand....that's just helping Lester Spell, don't you think?
I'm missing something then. It was a serious question...I'd like to go...

Augustus McRae

11-06-2007, 04:17 PM

I'm missing something then. It was a serious question...I'd like to go...

Sorry, I responded to wrong message I meant I did not understand someone's vote for the 3rd party guy for ag commissioner...sorry, three!

Augustus McRae

11-06-2007, 04:41 PM

I messed up!

threekidspa

11-06-2007, 04:44 PM

Sorry, I responded to wrong message I meant I did not understand someone's vote for the 3rd party guy for ag commissioner...sorry, three!
no problemo!

rdawg

11-07-2007, 01:38 AM

Conveyor Belt

11-07-2007, 07:01 AM

[
Once agian I will say Ron Paul has no chance and his run will be short lived he will be out by mid March. So who's bandwagon will all you Paulites flock to then. More than likely Fred who has the best platform and the most realistic chance of winning.We can not cut and run! This is UnAmerican. Okay if post war Nazi Germany will not suffice. Look at what happened in Vietnam when you don't get the job done. Or when we left Iraq after Gulf War 1. Bush 1 failed to the end the situation. Bill put a bandaid on the situation with strategic bombing. We need to finish the job once and for all, or this is going to lead to a repeat of wars and instabilty in this region. Sometimes you got to throw out the diplomacy and the checks and balances and get the job done not the pc way but the traditional way. I feel for all the soldiers out there many of whom i call family , friends, and colleagues. Their sacrifices should not be in vain getting out without finishing the job will make the last yrs of their service seem worthless, which is truly not the case.

Check this, rdawg... I cannot, will not vote for Thompson, Clinton, Rudy, or any other overt status quo politician. I'm tired of them. I'm tired of voting for them and having them do jack squat in office. Thank you Bush for the tax cuts, no thank you for folding on SS. If he'd tackled SS the way he tackled Iraq, maybe we'd have something happening... but no. Everyone said no and he folded. I HATE when people fold like that. Tell me what you're passionate about, and then do it.

The easiest thing for Bush to do would be to do what everyone is asking him to do. For doing what he believes is right, I respect. I'm a leader, and know that sometimes we have to ask people to do something that they may not like to do. And sometimes you can't get everyone on board, so you just have to go it alone b/c you know in your heart that it's the right thing to do.

Those people in Iraq hate each other. With a hatred seeded 1000's of years ago. Our being there isn't going to stop them from hating and killing each other. And if we happen to get in the way, they don't care either.

Paul is more than just 'pull the military out'. Don't get hung up on one issue.

threekidspa

11-07-2007, 07:42 AM

Ron Paul is on the money here too....too much foreign influence on our economy!

In todays news...
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stock futures were pummeled on Wednesday, with oil futures nearing the $100-a-barrel landmark ahead of key inventory data, the dollar skidding after a top Chinese official called for his country to diversify the country's trillion-dollar-plus currency stash and General Motors reporting a $39 billion loss.

bpitt

11-07-2007, 08:37 AM

We just got back last night from the Smokies, and I gotta say, there were a lot of Ron Paul signs up. I saw a lot in Maryville and on the way to Townsend, and then through over to Pigeon Forge. It was neat. Finally, it seems like an 'independent' is getting some respect. I just had to tell y'all.

Augustus McRae

11-07-2007, 08:43 AM

[
Once agian I will say Ron Paul has no chance and his run will be short lived he will be out by mid March. So who's bandwagon will all you Paulites flock to then. More than likely Fred who has the best platform and the most realistic chance of winning.We can not cut and run! This is UnAmerican. Okay if post war Nazi Germany will not suffice. Look at what happened in Vietnam when you don't get the job done. Or when we left Iraq after Gulf War 1. Bush 1 failed to the end the situation. Bill put a bandaid on the situation with strategic bombing. We need to finish the job once and for all, or this is going to lead to a repeat of wars and instabilty in this region. Sometimes you got to throw out the diplomacy and the checks and balances and get the job done not the pc way but the traditional way. I feel for all the soldiers out there many of whom i call family , friends, and colleagues. Their sacrifices should not be in vain getting out without finishing the job will make the last yrs of their service seem worthless, which is truly not the case.

Much appreciate your gentlemanly and sensible response, but I just don't agree. Our involvement in Vietnam, while I supported wholeheartedly the many friends and relatives I had who went there to fight, never made me comfortable and never made sense to me. And "Desert Storm" - well, we're back to the same reasons as now, aren't we? And, no, Fred's not the man. As Hawkeye indicated in a post on this or another thread, before I took time to read and listen closely to what Ron Paul was saying, I was searching among the Demolays to see who I could possibly support. I'm convinced at this point - unless Ron Paul can emerge - the GOPers will nominate Rudy and Hillary will kick his behind.

Augustus McRae

11-07-2007, 08:53 AM

"kiss" or "kick", Gus? I know what'chu meant.....it's too early to focus. :smt001

Just changed it...trying to do too many thangs at once....work, phone, MyH.....I better go work for a few hours!

Scipio

11-07-2007, 02:05 PM

I spent three hours yesterday watching Ron Paul videos. And his second New Hampshire TV ad is compelling- the first one was too desperate, IMHO.

rdawg

11-07-2007, 04:53 PM

[quote=Conveyor Belt;379415]Check this, rdawg... I cannot, will not vote for Thompson, Clinton, Rudy, or any other overt status quo politician. I'm tired of them. I'm tired of voting for them and having them do jack squat in office. Thank you Bush for the tax cuts, no thank you for folding on SS. If he'd tackled SS the way he tackled Iraq, maybe we'd have something happening... but no. Everyone said no and he folded. I HATE when people fold like that. Tell me what you're passionate about, and then do it.

It's not just one issue to me. First I will vote my faith, I am pro-life, fiscally conservative, anti-illegal immigration, and I support the mission of the War in Iraq. I have listened to what Paul has to say and Some of it is in line with what I agree with, but I can't look beyond the fact that he i stands along with Clinton and the rest of the Demo's when it comes to the war. Also the abolition of the CIA and FBI and such are not feasible. I lived in Texas for many years and I know he ran as a Republican to win in that Congressional district, but I would rather him come out as a Independant or a Libratarian from the forefront instead of hanging with one crew that he does not truly fall in line with. Just like Rudy, I wish these guys would not try to be something their not. That's like when Obama was getting ready to run, he was called a Moderate by alot of ppl. The best thing I have heard from a politicaian in a long time was during the 04 campaign Bush said about kerry's flip-flopping. " you may not always agree with me, but you will always know where I stand."

Fish-Bait

11-07-2007, 04:57 PM

this dude wants to get rid of the FBI and the CIA? Don't we need them?? Is there something I am missin' here?

rdawg

11-07-2007, 05:57 PM

Sounds like Ron Paul is for you except for Iraq issue. On this particular issue, he not only stands above fellow GOP candidates, but also above those casterated candidates of the Demolays. His common sense on this issue alone will garner many votes and supporters. Unlike all the other candidates who are squirming and skirting a clear path on this issue, his expressed view is not sugar coated or flip-floppy. You do know and we know where he stands, even though you, in the minority, may not agree with him. This is a trait you admire, right?

Two birds with one stone, here. Regarding what Ron Paul has said about the CIA and FBI, rdawg is attemping to totally skew what RP has said. Let him offer proof otherwise. This would be easy to do as Hobs as posted on this tread/forum, the utube video of for RP's exact words. I invite rdawg to review same, and/or offer other credible evidence to the contrary supporting his slant. It is simply not true. RP ask only for accountability from the agencies whose job and oath is to protect this country from enemies foreign and domestic.

Bottomline FB: never go by what I or anyone else says someone else said/believes. Do your own homework, see and listen, get your info from the horse's mouth, and draw your own conclusions based on your God given common sense.

A question rdawg, as you shadow and question so....quid pro quo, if you will. Which candidate appeals to you? And, if there be one you're most fond, why not support him/her with a thread...pro, not con?

#1 I am not allowed by this site to post a thread, i guess I have not been here long enough.
#2 I am not fully sold between the 2 candidates I trust in the primary. those being Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson. When I feel I can fully support one or the other you will hear all you want, and i expect you and whoever else feels necessary to question what candidate i support if you, especially if you don't aggree with them. That is exactly why were here to discuss, agree, or disagree in a peaceful manner.
#3 We can flip words ,things can be stretched, you links may support your views, but everything is open to question.
#4 Paul doesn't dispute the question that he wants to eliminate the cia or fbi he goes off talking about preidential power and losing personal freedom and spending more money. Never does he say I do support keeping the agencies. This can be viewed from youtube from the fox news debate.

rdawg

11-07-2007, 06:36 PM

It is not my aim to argue or ridicule your views. It is good that we can discuss the issues and the candidates. If I can enlighten or persuade one to my camp, that is good, too, for I am a patriot. If you can persuade me to yours, that is also good. I believe we both love this country. As a father and grandrather, I especially want it be a safe place for mine, as will you.

We saw the same video, yet come away with different interpretations. Sometimes we believe what we choose to hear. No man of common sense would advocate decommissioning the CIA or the FBI. Ron Paul did not do that. It would be political suicide to do so and he is much more intelligent than that. But, perhaps you're right and he's just fooling us who've helped him set fundrasing records in the past few days with small donations from common citizens? Do you realize he now has the 3rd largest war chest behind Clinton and Obama? All of this money is being donatated by little people, not special interests groups and corporations of global reach. He must be fooling a lot of people since the average donation is only $103.00.

As to Huckabee? He's a good man...I've been lookng at him hard. I believe he would make an excellent VP.

Fred, on the other hand, is pure show, IMHO, and not that good at it. He should prolly keep his day job in Hollywood, but of course, that too is opinion.

In closing, I look forward to your achieving Thread Cred.

I think we are beginning to start to understand each other better. I may disagree with you, but I enjoy our rapport.

Honey

11-07-2007, 06:46 PM

Welcome to MH rdawg. I learn a lot about the issues here. Glad to have your post.

Hob684

11-07-2007, 08:02 PM

Dr. Paul's issue with the CIA and FBI is that they have spent billions on survellience and intel yet have very little to show for it.

If you were paid a hefty salary to do a job and then did a mediocre job of it then you would be held accountable for your ineptitude and probably fired.

If FBI/CIA/etc can't do the job they are paid hundreds of billions to do then why do we have them?

He wants accountability in ALL divisions of the government.

Honey

11-07-2007, 08:08 PM

Hob684

11-07-2007, 08:11 PM

I'm still learning about Paul but I tend to think that the CIA/FBI should not tell all they know. I agree that until the 911 tragedy that they didn't work hand in hand. Hopefully they are doing better now about that. Maybe it only appears that they aren't doing the job because of the nature of the business. I prefer that the public don't know what we (the agency) is doing.

it is known now that many agents reported many people wishing to learn how to fly planes but not land them. They were ignored.

If i'm not mistaken they also had to use the Mormon Church's computer database system to begin to track the people they believe had terrorist ties??? The FBI/pentagon's computer system is very outdated.

Hob684

11-07-2007, 08:12 PM

I just got this email...

Hi everyone, in an effort to effectively organize Mississippi at the precinct level we would like everyone to register with Ron Paul Friends USA. Our organizations primary function is to organize at the precinct level. Our Meet Up groups can help this effort succeed. I hope you will share this with your meet up members as time is running out.

New penalties have been imposed on states who moved their primaries by the GOP. In effect they will lose exactly half of their delegates to the convention. This makes Mississippi more important to the overall nomination process. We will have 37 delegates. (Michigan will have only 30)

It is now vital that we organize.

Please help Ron Paul get elected in our State.
Register at http://www.ronpaulfriendsusa<WBR>.com (http://www.ronpaulfriendsusa.com/)

Thanks in Advance,
Jeff Powell
State Chairman Mississippi
Ron Paul Friends USA
228.669.6870

please help out..

Honey

11-07-2007, 08:19 PM

So is he saying we need to update the agency? I can agree with that. I didn't know about using the Mormon database being used. Can't see how that worked being the database I thought was for family tree history. I didn't know the terrorist had to register. Ha Ha Ha That was a joke there, kinda. I am on benedyrl and it is winning. I just think we will never know fully what is going on with the agency. We shouldn't. I believe we could have gotten Bin L if the cell phone issue hadn't been brought up and the spread over the TV.

Hob684

11-07-2007, 08:25 PM

YouTube - Ron Paul: A New Hope

YouTube - Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming

YouTube - Congressman Ron Paul Visits My Dorm Room

YouTube - Ron Paul 0wnz the Federal Reserve

YouTube - Educating Rudy

you've got to check out this video....

Ron Paul Riders.. Riding bikes (bicycles) from LA to DC by way of TX, NewOrleans, Gulfport, Montgomery, etc..

www.ronpaulriders.com (http://www.ronpaulriders.com)

YouTube - Ron Paul Riders

Honey

11-07-2007, 09:05 PM

Thanks hob I'll look at them in the morning when I not high on benedryl. I didn't know he was a Doc.

Hob684

11-07-2007, 09:06 PM

oh yeah.. guess who the military likes??

YouTube - Ron Paul most money from military, but not really.

Hawk we'll be prayin for the 155th and all the military as they go back to this war for profit.

Hob684

11-07-2007, 09:07 PM

Thanks hob I'll look at them in the morning when I not high on benedryl. I didn't know he was a Doc.

Hon he's been a OB/GYN for a LONG time, delivered an estimated 4000 babies, still makes house calls even DURING congressional sessions.

Hob684

11-07-2007, 09:21 PM

Not only has Dr. Paul been unwaivering in his thoughts and views and policy though all his years in Congress he also lives them.

pay attention towards the end of this video (6:30 til the end) ... he doesn't participate in the congressional pension, has never accepted Medicare/Medicaid from his patients, he also didn't allow his children to take out student loans for college. He taught them to work for their college, he helped them out, and taught them not to rely on the government to pay for their education because the government passes it right back to the taxpayers.

YouTube - Ron Paul on ABC News with George Stephanopoulos

this video was shot midway through the 2nd quarter. This was well before RP has received the grassroot blowout and the financial backing of "Middle America"

Hob684

11-07-2007, 09:33 PM

i would love to see something like this around Hattiesburg/Meridian/Jackson/Gulfport/Biloxi/Tupelo
YouTube - Covert Ron Paul Ops in California's Capitol City

(minus the anti-schwarzenegger stuff at the end)

TheKing

11-08-2007, 09:38 AM

that last sentence from george stephonopopopoplooous pisses me off to no end

it proves and shows the obvious media bias against ron paul...it proves they keep trying to squash him in the headlines

Hob684

11-08-2007, 11:16 AM

Dr. Paul is also supposed to be on Wolf Blitzer today at 430pm with a repeat at 6pm

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 11:49 AM

This is the thread for posting news and views on Ron Paul's candidacy for President of these United States.

He has roots, grass roots, and we're growing rapidly.

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=150766

Hawk, your thread is like its inspiration, Mr. Paul - a long and winding politcal road to The Wall.

That said, Ron Paul's road to a presidential nod from the GOP will end in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Houston. Yes, Houston.

If Paul stands a ghosts chance in zanadu to upset the GOP's and the DNC's candidates "for real", then . .

"We're gonna have a revolution, oh-well it's so . . "

Or whatever the heck Paul & John's lyrics were/meant/said/sang.

Sue

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 12:05 PM

Upon further review :-D . .

Eighty percent - 80% - dissatisfaction with politicians, generally. That, according to a new CNN/Reuters poll, and lively, lovely Tony Phillips at CNN's day desk, is fueling the record high among "likely" voters next November, people who say they'll vote. For somebody. Reckon Ron Paul is that "somebody" ?

Will Paul draw from the large wellspring of on-line backers willing to drop BUCKS into his candidacy to actually use same as his platform to launch a third-party bid for the White House ? Or ? Will any third-party candidate willing to capitalize upon the dissatisfaction of the American people with Mr. Bush's Bullshit simply divide both parties, surgically remove the True Brains In Both Bunches, to make a "win" possible by the Democratic candidate?

Think about it when you lust for a "real" politician, because folks - like it or revise it by Revolution - that's what we have, that's what the system requires - A Politician to be President.

Could Ron Paul be lanquishing in the Lower Branch of Congress's tree for a reason? And could - just "could" - that reason have anything to do with being a Ross Perot-like wild card?

And could - just "could" - a Ross Perot-like Wild Card be the very LAST thing we need to take hold of the helm of this Nation's ship at this - THIS - our most desperate, dangerous hours?

Heaven Help Us. We're Screwed.

Sue

bpitt

11-08-2007, 12:08 PM

i would love to see something like this around Hattiesburg/Meridian/Jackson/Gulfport/Biloxi/Tupelo
YouTube - Covert Ron Paul Ops in California's Capitol City (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cma6G4xeQ2A)

(minus the anti-schwarzenegger stuff at the end)

That chick was driving barefooted, that's funny. Who's to say something like that wouldn't happen around the 'burg. However, it would appear to some as 'wrong' to place signs where permission was not asked, on the other hand.....

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 12:35 PM

Since Ron Paul started coming to attention, I've been thinking about Howard Dean...and how there are lots of parallels to what Howard Dean was doing before he won Iowa. Disaffected folks excited about him. Lots of grass-roots support. Lots of fund-raising on the internet. And then a cleverly played mis-step and it all went up in smoke.

For those who are concerned about Paul's position on the CIA...from his interview with Judy Woodruff (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec07/paul_10-12.html) (PBS)...

...JUDY WOODRUFF: You'd do away with the CIA, I saw. Is that correct or not?

REP. RON PAUL: Well, not all of the functions, but essentially so. The CIA is what gets us into trouble. I mean, the CIA is what really started things in the Middle East, because the CIA went in and overthrew Mosaddeq in 1953. We put in the shah. The CIA murdered Diem, or participated in the overthrow of the government in Vietnam, which leads to trouble.

It's a secret government. Congress has no idea what the CIA is doing, because nobody knows, other than what the CIA is. It is one of the things that is not characteristic of a free society....

In the interview he says several times that he can't do a lot of the things that he wants to. That he'd have to build consensus to get those more appealing things done. I'm not sure I see that happening unless and until there are people like him elected to Congress.

dollfus46

11-08-2007, 12:38 PM

Yah! Hawk is now offically in de RP Camp, both nationally and locally. :smt026

I'll have to give him a second look. I don't think he can pull off his isolationist position, nor do I think it wise, but if that's all I have against him, he's certainly ahead of all the rest in my book. Still have to look at Mitt Romney again now that our true Conservative senator, Jim DeMint endorsed him. :roflwtf: ? Almost choked on my coffee when I heard that. Fred puts me to sleep and he's not said anything yet. He may as well be talking about the World Series. Disappointing to this point. Huckabee is on my list to check out, but if he's not going to slam the border doors and kick all illegals out, I'm not voting for him. That's key for me. Top of the list. We have a long way to go, still. I'm not commiting anytime soon. I'm gonna wait and watch for double-speak. It'll happen sooner or later. It's really going to get dicey when the spotlight is on two candidates.:ohnoes:

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 12:46 PM

Are we not ripe? I'm well aware of the obstacles....the big...all powerful Bubba Earl, the Globalists agenda and soforth. Please, try not to prick by bubble at this early juncture. You know the romantic I be.

Heaven help me, Hawk, I wish, I wish, . . but, let's be realistic here. I'm serious. So serious. Yes, I think we may be on the verge of being "ripe", but . . not yet. We're too comfortable to be "ripe", too invested, too culpable, and that - the culpabililty - is driving this turbulent wind of political discontent. WE did this to ourselves, either by our actions or inactions, WE did. And now?

This is not the time for a "Washington outsider", nor a "real person of the people who makes house calls", or any other such hopeful, but naive, reason to throw this Country, as the Baby - OUT with the bathwater, Hawk. It just is NOT.

Look around the Globe, for heaven's sake - LOOK at it !! We've got to reinvent and reassert and REclaim our national pride, our moral authority in THE World, and we've got to do it not through yet-another unknown, untested commodity in times like these, we simply CANNOT, Hawk. We've got to put an authoratative, seasoned, FACE on this pig, because if we don't?

Think. Not with your reactionary, well-positioned heart, but with your sick and disgusted, nonetheless intellectual, GUT.

Would it be impossible for Dr P to pull a Joe Lieberman, IYO, if worse comes to worse?

Yes, it would be impossible. YES. Joe didn't have to win the Electoral College. Joe won because the GOP calculated the numbers, backed Joe, and VI-OH-la, Joe won. He looked better, polled better, than their own candidate against the Democrat, and the GOP did NOT want the Democrat to win. Plain and simple.

I am seeing the old and young unite like nothing I've ever witnessed before in my time. I see an all-time high voter turnout of the once apathetic this next trip around.

I've seen it and so have you, unless you were on the other side of the coin in 1968.

Robert Francis Kennedy promised to bring an end to the "conflict in Southeast Asia", to restore America's image, globally; to further the progress of civil rights, equality for all races and genders, and he ignited such a fire in this nation that he died in a kitchen in L.A.

I've seen it before. That's the killing thing.

And now, the country is finally fearful, just like they wanted us to be in the first place . . *9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11" . . and that fear is finally, unfortunately, justified.

I actually believe this may very well be our last true shot at saving ourselves.....this nation and it's peoples.

Our last, true shot at saving ourselves is to snap out of it and come to understand that United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 01:11 PM

:sad: . . . . I should consider the bubble-bursting consequences of spontaneous blather. *sigh* Hawk, I think Ron Paul is a good man on a bad mission. *sigh* One day, when we can afford him . . *sigh* . . one day . .

Augustus McRae

11-08-2007, 01:17 PM

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 01:23 PM

Just spent the last thirty minutes or so catching up on this thread. Y'all know I like SueScribe and respect her intellect and opinion, but this seems to be one of those instances when she has suggested why Ron Paul would "not" fit the nation's needs at this time, yet Sue stopped short of telling us who the "seasoned face on the pig" needs to be. Or did I miss it with just two readings?

Then, let me make myself perfectly clear:

On the GOP side:

Ah . . . . . let's see . . . . (foreign policy experience, intellectual insight, proven ability to govern, diplomatic skills, fiscal wherewithal) . . . ah . . .

On the Democratic Party side:

Ah . . . . let's see . . . ah . . . Hillary Clinton (vis-a-vis William Jefferson Clinton).

There you go.

Pick one.

:smt118

I'm gonna ride Ron Paul for now for two reasons: 1) He seems, by far, the most "real" of the people running; and 2) He gives me hope - albeit a slippery slope of hope if one takes Sue's supposition as gospel. We ain't got leadership, and there is no leadership running, so I'm gonna hold to hope..

Augustus McRae
Charter Member, American Independent Party*

*Working title until a better one comes along.

A real person. Yep. We're screwed.

Sue

dollfus46

11-08-2007, 01:29 PM

In the interview he says several times that he can't do a lot of the things that he wants to. That he'd have to build consensus to get those more appealing things done. I'm not sure I see that happening unless and until there are people like him elected to Congress.

BINGO! :smt023And what politician in his right mind is going to cut off the federal gravy train? Just like, what politician is going to vote for term limits and put himself out of a job? Until we throw all the rascals out of Washington and start over, we've screwed ourselves. Right now, since last November, we have the gubment we deserve. What will we deserve after next November? Ron Paul is as opposite of Hillary as anyone can possibly get. Just my opinion. But you know what? I'm just going to roll with it. I found out life is too dayum short. 100 years from now it won't matter one iota. Ever-body jess hug the person next to 'um rat now.;)

amanda

11-08-2007, 01:29 PM

It's nice to see that ya'll have brought Dollfus out of hibernation. :smt118

Augustus McRae

11-08-2007, 01:35 PM

I've predicted for nearly a year on here now that Hillary will win it. She does not conjure the "hope" in me for which I am....well, "groping" I guess.

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 01:41 PM

I've predicted for nearly a year on here now that Hillary will win it. She does not conjure the "hope" in me for which I am....well, "groping" I guess.

Grope for Hope. That works for me. :smt001

SueScribe

11-08-2007, 02:15 PM

I had a feeling you were in the Clinton camp, Sue. While she may very well be the best the Dems can serve up, and no doubt she will win the nomination, Joe Biden, IMHO, as more of the worldly attributes you feel important to today's presidential candidates of the professional polytick genre.

I really believe the GOP may be forced to get behind Ron Paul if they hope to have a snowball's chance against Hill.

Hawk, I'm in the Bill Clinton camp, and have been since 1992. Yes, he fiddled around with an intern; Yes, he lied about it; Yes, he's a dirty ole' man . . . BUT . . .

He was and is the best this country has seen in a long-long-long time, when it comes to international diplomacy, respect in the eyes of The World, and offers the most intellecutual, skilled approach to Global unbalance that this country has to offer. Plain, simple, the Truth.

Hillary Clinton is a professional woman, a ruthless politican and lawyer, who has Mr. Clinton standing right over her shoulder.

That is good enough for me. Joe Biden is wonderful - a true moderate - skilled in foreign policy and he presents a compelling figure on a potential World stage. That said, Joe has a record in the Senate that would kick his teeth in, come General Election Time, not to mention that tricky little issue about plagarism and, doubtless - a bimbo waiting to crawl out of the woodwork.

Think of Hillary and Bill Clinton thus, and as Louisianians have done since the incept of that statehood:

Vote for what you know, not what you think, not what you "want".

The Clintons have baggage - primarily personal. However, given the state of this Union under Bill Clinton's leadership, I'll give him a harem, if that means his success, or her success, in stemming the tide of anti-Americanism around this planet.

So, then. There you have my political position in a simple nutshell. In my heart, I'd wish Ron Paul or someone like him could upset the applecart. Frankly, I think the response to Paul's campaign (on the Net, in particular) has already given the major candidates pause, as it should.

We'll soon see.

Sue

Scipio

11-08-2007, 02:28 PM

Just one salient thought on the above, for now; I love Louisiana, but use their thinking to emulate that state's government? Surely, you jest. :smt009

If it works for Pearl River County, it can work for the rest of us.:smt023

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 02:32 PM

And upon further reflection...

I will support (no, talk up), when strategically expedient, Hill's weaker comrades.

I think the dems are beginning to worry that RP may be the true opposition. You may be my proof, Sue. :smt001

and fuzzis: I will speak to your obvious support of the Hill. You honestly think Hill is going to protect (respect) your civil rights to privacy that you hold so dear (Patriot Act)? With the exception of RP's pro-life stance on abortion, RP represents everything you have, heretofore, espoused as important and critical. Even here, RP leaves this issue to the states rather than the Fed, and we all know certain states will keep it legal.

:bowrofl::bowrofl:

Hillary is NOT my candidate, but good try. And no, Ron Paul does not represent everything that I have espoused as critical. Sorry. He has good points, but he's not my man either.

Fish-Bait

11-08-2007, 02:35 PM

cough...edit...

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 02:36 PM

That is good to know. You would be an asset to RP's camp.

I can't support him. Sorry.

Hob684

11-08-2007, 02:38 PM

I can't support him. Sorry.

who do you support?

TheKing

11-08-2007, 02:38 PM

I can't support him. Sorry.

I'm not entirely certain why...i mean this guy is exactly what america needs IMO

fuzzis

11-08-2007, 02:41 PM

I'm not entirely certain why...i mean this guy is exactly what america needs IMO

The *I* in IMO is key. *I* don't believe he's what America needs...as our President.

amanda

11-08-2007, 02:42 PM

Hob684

11-08-2007, 02:43 PM

The *I* in IMO is key. *I* don't believe he's what America needs...as our President.

what/who do YOU believe we need as a Country?

Hob684

11-08-2007, 02:44 PM

The next RP rally is in Philadelphia at the Independence Mall on Nov 10th. Keep an eye out on the news/Faux News/CNN for coverage.

Ron Paul - The Champion of the Constitution
YouTube - Ron Paul Rising

http://philly.ronpaulrally.org/index.php

Fish-Bait

11-08-2007, 02:47 PM

LOLROTF! First a big bunch of you people were screaming for Fred to join in the race. He was the big GOP hope - and then you've dropped him like a hot-potato and jumped on the big Paul bandwagon. Can't wait to see who the next candidate D'jour will be next week. Ya'll gonna wear yourselves out before the election. :laugh:

And no, I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet so don't ask. There is still a LOT of time between now and next November.

I liked Ole freddy boy...Just don't here anything out of him....where's the dude at?....I dunno what I am gonna do..I mean at first ole fred looked prominsin'...then I took that test and I rated first with the Tarconado fella'...Didn't even know who he was....been readin' a little about RPaul.........still kinda' lookin'...Gus and Hawk are two pretty wise fella's. I can relate to them, so when they speak I listen up. Remember there are alot of young whipper-snappers on here we ain't dead set in our ways...........yet....:-D

Augustus McRae

11-08-2007, 02:55 PM

I liked Ole freddy boy...Just don't here anything out of him....where's the dude at?....I dunno what I am gonna do..I mean at first ole fred looked prominsin'...then I took that test and I rated first with the Tarconado fella'...Didn't even know who he was....been readin' a little about RPaul.........still kinda' lookin'...Gus and Hawk are two pretty wise fella's. I can relate to them, so when they speak I listen up. Remember there are alot of young whipper-snappers on here we ain't dead set in our ways...........yet....:-D

The ol' Injun and me never lacked for an opinion....as a wise person once told me, you make one decision at a time...that's all you can do. Hawk studies harder than me and is smarter - heck, he always has been. I operate by instinct and "peace." I got a "peace" about Ron Paul - Ron Paul the man. I'm not the least bit interested in electing the least ugly face for the pig that the U.S. government has become. I want to bring our troops home, and I want to bring some of the "pigs" home from Washington. I think Thad Cochran is a genuinely nice man. I think Gene Taylor is the best Congressman we have. I'd just soon the rest of them come home...

"Wise" - who knows? But I see nothing to be "gained" or even "kept on an even keel" by the election of Hillary Clinton. I'm not a Bill Clinton hater, mind you. I just think Hillary represents the "public trough" and cannot begin to fathom what the rest of us want or expect from our gummit.

justme

11-08-2007, 02:58 PM

I am not dead set in my ways. I will admit that in the beginning I was behind Rudy. I like him - I think he is a good leader, but is leading NYC enough experience to lead the country. I tend to like John McCain also. My three under consideration are Rudy, John and Ron.

I know that we live in a republican state, but if Hillary is the Dem. Nominee, I will travel to places to campaign against her. I do not have respect for her and I am afraid what will become of our country if she is elected. I would throw support behind Obama to keep her from being elected.

I am not pleased overall about the entire field, but Ron Paul seems to take the same stance on many of the things that are important to me, as I do. I am interested ini seeing how the field thins out over the next few months. I am anxious to begin the narrowing down process.