Mike Huckabee For President Thread

[rdawg]

YouTube - The Best of Mike Huckabee

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Home


http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=About.Home

This thread is started to get the message out for Gov. Mike Huckabee and to encouurage conscious debate. The first is a complolation of video , the second link is to where he stands on major issues. Third, is a little about him.

[dollfus46]

Last I heard, Huckabee is not for securing borders. 'Nuff said.

[rdawg]

Last I heard, Huckabee is not for securing borders. 'Nuff said.


that is commonly misconstrued. They say he wanted illegals in Arkansas, because he worked with the Mexcian gov't to bring a consulate to Little Rock. The Real reason behind this was that he was trying to assist his states law enforcement with Spanish translaters and helping to alienate the one who were illegal, because a consolate helps bring legal aliens. Please see the Link to see where he stands on immigration and securing the borders. This should spell it out.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=4

[Conveyor Belt]

I respect that the guy has lost weight and kept it off. That's a big challenge.

[rdawg]

Gov. Huckabee will be on Hanity & Colmes tonight @ 8 on FNC!

[CircusRide]

I like Mike.

[Hob684]

(cough) PresIdent (/cough)

[rdawg]

(cough) PresIdent (/cough)

Yeah i got a little excited and ahead of myself, but you got the point.

[dollfus46]

Gov. Huckabee will be on Hanity & Colmes tonight @ 8 on FNC!
I'm not sure I can sit through Hannity and Colmes just to see Huckabee. I had a 24 hours virus yesterday and slept all day. I woke up to what sounded like a freaking cockfight. It was all four people on Hannity and Colmes screaming at each other at the same time. I cut the tv off.

[CircusRide]

Bad news for the Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee fans......

Latest polls:

Ex-NYer- 29.3%
Law & Order- 16.1%
Ex POW- 14.3%
Mormon dude- 13.6%
Huckleberry- 8.3%
Gyno- 4.3%

Of course, polls mean nothing. And there's a nice percentage that's undecided.

[rdawg]

Bad news for the Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee fans......

Latest polls:

Ex-NYer- 29.3%
Law & Order- 16.1%
Ex POW- 14.3%
Mormon dude- 13.6%
Huckleberry- 8.3%
Gyno- 4.3%

Of course, polls mean nothing. And there's a nice percentage that's undecided.

Which poll is that? Just curious, I thought Thompson was falling fast.

[CircusRide]

Can't remember the exact news site but it was through Yahoo. It's a "national poll."

[Augustus McRae]

You know, I've always liked Huck. I admired him for losing a ton of weight (which I need to do!). I admire him because he loves music like a bunch of us do. I admire him because he's a man on spiritual conviction. I was/am "pulling for him" to some degree. But THEN...I see him on TV last night (Chris Matthews, I think)..and he comes off like an arrogant .... well, like Falwell or Robertson or one of those guys. I was very disappointed. I think he's getting poor image advice. It appears that, in order to try to "climb" a little, he's moving toward the persona of the rest of the group. Somebody needs to tell ALL these guys that SOMEONE NEEDS TO SE-PA-RATE FROM THE CROWD not blend in!

[TDaleBeavers]

Win Iowa and the national polls will start changing overnight. And right now, Huckabee clearly has the momentum in Iowa. John Kerry was below 10 perecent nationally on the Democratic side 4 years ago as well, as I recall.

[Sister Golden Hair]

I liked most of what he had to say until he started talking about our borders.

[Augustus McRae]

I liked most of what he had to say until he started talking about our borders.


It did not make any sense, did it, Sister? He sounded like a cross between Donald Wildmon and Pat Buchanan, to be honest. Plus, for the first time I can remember, he was not "pleasant." I thought that was what Huck had going for him - a genuine nice guy.....he seemed to be trying to be "morally tough" - it just did not strike me positively.

[rdawg]

You know, I've always liked Huck. I admired him for losing a ton of weight (which I need to do!). I admire him because he loves music like a bunch of us do. I admire him because he's a man on spiritual conviction. I was/am "pulling for him" to some degree. But THEN...I see him on TV last night (Chris Matthews, I think)..and he comes off like an arrogant .... well, like Falwell or Robertson or one of those guys. I was very disappointed. I think he's getting poor image advice. It appears that, in order to try to "climb" a little, he's moving toward the persona of the rest of the group. Somebody needs to tell ALL these guys that SOMEONE NEEDS TO SE-PA-RATE FROM THE CROWD not blend in!

Are you talking about his appearance on Tucker last night? I did not find him arrogant, but ready to defend himself. Everyone has to do it, and he will have to stand up a lot more now that he is making strides in Iowa. Romney and a lot of Republican candidates are starting to fear him and rightfully so.

[Augustus McRae]

Are you talking about his appearance on Tucker last night? I did not find him arrogant, but ready to defend himself. Everyone has to do it, and he will have to stand up a lot more now that he is making strides in Iowa. Romney and a lot of Republican candidates are starting to fear him and rightfully so.


"....Everyone has to do it...." you say? So that renders Huck just one of the "everyone." That was/is my read from his remarks. He DID seem "defen(sive)" to use your word. It did not wear well. Political candidates always "fear" everyone. It's part of the paranoia and ego that drives them. I still think Huck's a good, good guy. But I think his move to be "more like" the "everyone" of which you speak will hurt and not help.

Just MHO, mind you.

[rdawg]

With all due respect I disagree. He was just defending himself, and I don't think he was irrational, egotistical, or rude to anyone. He still is the good, good guy. Just sometimes you can't be the "aww shucks" candidate, and you have to assert what you do or do not stand for when the other candidates who do show that behavior get down on you when you are sneaking up on them in the polls.

[Augustus McRae]

With all due respect I disagree. He was just defending himself, and I don't think he was irrational, egotistical, or rude to anyone. He still is the good, good guy. Just sometimes you can't be the "aww shucks" candidate, and you have to assert what you do or do not stand for when the other candidates who do show that behavior get down on you when you are sneaking up on them in the polls.


Dawg, I do understand that you disagree, and I appreciate the respectful manner in which you do. However, my point is this: What motivation would I, or anyone, have for supporting Huck if he begins to pick up the demeanor and rhetoric of the other folks in the race. In simple terms, what separates him from them? Until recently, what separated him was his even, warm demeanor, his openness. In the interview that I saw (evidently on Tucker and not on Chris Matthews), he was defensive and had his brow furrowed and lips puckered. Did not even look or sound like the man who had run to that point.

Here's what I think and "feel" - I'd love to see a Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee ticket. I think, in all honesty, they would get there behinds kicked "this time" in the election. But I think it would give many, many, many of us who care about this country and what happens to it "hope" that good, positive people can step up and lead a country. To get there, I want Huck to keep being "Huck" and not feel like - as you seem to espouse - that he has to "be like the rest of them" to get his point accross.

IF Huck is actually "gaining" on the other guys, I will dead flat ass guarantee you it is because of who he is and has been so far, NOT the defensive person he was in the interview we have discussed.

I respect your opinion, and I thank you for listening to mine.

[rdawg]

Dawg, I do understand that you disagree, and I appreciate the respectful manner in which you do. However, my point is this: What motivation would I, or anyone, have for supporting Huck if he begins to pick up the demeanor and rhetoric of the other folks in the race. In simple terms, what separates him from them? Until recently, what separated him was his even, warm demeanor, his openness. In the interview that I saw (evidently on Tucker and not on Chris Matthews), he was defensive and had his brow furrowed and lips puckered. Did not even look or sound like the man who had run to that point.

Here's what I think and "feel" - I'd love to see a Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee ticket. I think, in all honesty, they would get there behinds kicked "this time" in the election. But I think it would give many, many, many of us who care about this country and what happens to it "hope" that good, positive people can step up and lead a country. To get there, I want Huck to keep being "Huck" and not feel like - as you seem to espouse - that he has to "be like the rest of them" to get his point accross.

IF Huck is actually "gaining" on the other guys, I will dead flat ass guarantee you it is because of who he is and has been so far, NOT the defensive person he was in the interview we have discussed.

I respect your opinion, and I thank you for listening to mine.

I think in the long run we will cintinue to see the Huck we all know and love. I agree that is what has gotten him there. Hannity and Colmes both tried to get him in trouble with accusations which is expected considering Fox News is under Mr. Mayor's payroll and with Allen Colmes being the crazy liberal that he is. Huck weathered it, but he did get a little frustrated with them at times for not being able to answer each question.

[Augustus McRae]

I think in the long run we will cintinue to see the Huck we all know and love. I agree that is what has gotten him there. Hannity and Colmes both tried to get him in trouble with accusations which is expected considering Fox News is under Mr. Mayor's payroll and with Allen Colmes being the crazy liberal that he is. Huck weathered it, but he did get a little frustrated with them at times for not being able to answer each question.


Huck don't have to go on Hannity and Colmes - I am of the opinion tht the Fox News network is tremendously over-rated. If they were as important as they seem to think they are, the country would not be in the quandry about who to elect right now.

[rdawg]

Dennis Hastert is retiring. What do you folks think about Huckabee/Hastert '08??? It would help the GOP get a lot of key electoral votes from a traditionally blue state (only because of Chicago).

[rdawg]

Here is a great article explaining the state of the GOP candidates, and who would be the best for the country...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/57616/output/print

[Augustus McRae]

Dennis Haster is retiring. What do you folks think about Huckabee/Hastert '08??? It would help the GOP get a lot of key electoral votes from a traditionally blue state (only because of Chicago).


Only if Huck promises to keep Denny awake! You're joking, aren't you?

[rdawg]

No jokes honest question! Denny could be alright, right???

[Augustus McRae]

No jokes honest question! Denny could be alright, right???


I'm sure his family and close friends would vote for him. I cannot imagine him "instilling enthusiasm" in any other voters. If Denny and Huck end up on the ticket, you can "bank" that the GOPers have written off 2008 and moved on.

[rdawg]

I'm sure his family and close friends would vote for him. I cannot imagine him "instilling enthusiasm" in any other voters. If Denny and Huck end up on the ticket, you can "bank" that the GOPers have written off 2008 and moved on.

Who do you think would be the best running mate with Huckabee after he earns the nomination? Huck needs someone who will bring votes and carry a state we don't usually carry.

[Augustus McRae]

Who do you think would be the best running mate with Huckabee after he earns the nomination? Huck needs someone who will bring votes and carry a state we don't usually carry.


That's a very good question, dawg! I think if that were to happen, the GOPer's would look for someone from New York, California, Texas, Florida, or Ohio. But I have no idea who.

If Rudy gets the ticket lead, Haley Barbour will be his running mate....IMHO.

[BlueDogDemocrat]

I would support Mike Huckabee if I were Republican.

[Augustus McRae]

I would support Mike Huckabee if I were Republican.

So, BDD, given that you are bound by some mysterious binding to vote Demolay, which one of your brothers or sister are you supporting at this point?

[hendrixfreak70]

Not enough people know about Dennis Hastert to formulate an opinion IMHO.

[Augustus McRae]

Not enough people know about Dennis Hastert to formulate an opinion IMHO.


My pernt, precisiely, freak..."...not enough people know about Dennis Hastert..."

[rdawg]

Just to keep you posted Huck has retained a three way tie for 2nd place nationally. Keep the dream alive. Also we are breaking our fundraising goals as well.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=740

[dream member]

Which candidate is MOST for removing illegals and sending them home?

[rdawg]

Which candidate is MOST for removing illegals and sending them home?

Tom Tancredo..However he is a single issue candidate, and that will kill him. I encourage you to check out where Huck stands. Here is a link.


http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=4

[dream member]

Tom Tancredo..However he is a single issue candidate, and that will kill him. I encourage you to check out where Huck stands. Here is a link.


http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=4

I like a lot of his issues...I saw something on the news about him tonight...he's becoming a lot more popular..so to speak.

I just want to see the illegals removed...immediately!!!

[rdawg]

I can feel you on there, I have been writing to and talking with some very important politicians since the mid 90's . I have lived on the front lines and have seen it's effects throughout the nation. we have to secure our borders and work to expose those who are here illegally and and get them out. I trust Huck on all the issues, and i am just as confidant on his stance on immigration as I am about his take on abortion. there has been alot of dirt thrown out on him,due to his recent sucess but, none of these stories will prosper because this man doesn't change his position as the winds blow.

[dream member]

I can feel you on there, I have been writing to and talking with some very important politicians since the mid 90's . I have lived on the front lines and have seen it's effects throughout the nation. we have to secure our borders and work to expose those who are here illegally and and get them out. I trust Huck on all the issues, and i am just as confidant on his stance on immigration as I am about his take on abortion. there has been alot of dirt thrown out on him,due to his recent sucess but, none of these stories will prosper because this man doesn't change his position as the winds blow.

You know what really scares me though? Aside from the topic, I do appologize for wandering, but the price of gas. If it continues to go up, the economy will stop. I won't be able to go to work anymore...people won't be able to go to work anymore. Transportation will stop...that's very serious and very scary. I'm also concerned with the poisons found in food and children's toys. The cost of groceries scares me. I can't afford to eat some foods anymore. Insurance...I can't buy a house because paying 3000 a year for insurance is too much. Insurance companies and oil companies are the crooks and unfortunately...the govt keeps getting more money to let it go. The war - it's time to end. I was for it when it began, but it's turning into a joke. Too many people are getting in trouble for doing their jobs over there...it's bs...how about the border patrolmen(don't remember their names) who got in trouble for doing their jobs.

I'll take Tom Dobbs from Man of the Year! :)

[rdawg]

[quote=dream1;394707]You know what really scares me though? Aside from the topic, I do appologize for wandering, but the price of gas. If it continues to go up, the economy will stop. I won't be able to go to work anymore...people won't be able to go to work anymore. Transportation will stop...that's very serious and very scary. I'm also concerned with the poisons found in food and children's toys. The cost of groceries scares me. I can't afford to eat some foods anymore. Insurance...I can't buy a house because paying 3000 a year for insurance is too much. Insurance companies and oil companies are the crooks and unfortunately...the govt keeps getting more money to let it go. The war - it's time to end. I was for it when it began, but it's turning into a joke. Too many people are getting in trouble for doing their jobs over there...it's bs...how about the border patrolmen(don't remember their names) who got in trouble for doing their jobs.


I worry about all those things on a daily basis as well. the fortunate thing about the money is Huck wants you to keep more of it. He wants a fair tax, to get rid of payroll taxes, do that you have money to spend on stuff you need. While the more money money you make you get taxed more, however the hourly wage working man still fells the issues with the economy at the pump when he goes to fill up for work. He feels it when he has to go and purchase food for his family. The war must be ended i agree but we cannot cut and run, because we will end up there again in the long run. We need to finish the job we should have during Gulf War 1. I totally understand the frustration you have with the unrightful charges of the border patrolmen. I have heard countless stories from the bp and dea agents who were told to refrain from doing their jobs due to a shoot out on the border. We have to stop being a politically correct nation when it comes down to protecting our borders and fighting wars and the media needs to stop being so UNamerican and start reporting all the good we are doing in the world after all who comes and bailed out Europe twice and has been a leader in the important issues of time when nobody else had the guts to. We need to remember who we are and stop worrying baout what others might think. Those who are in the minoity in this country who hate is so much need to get out and go where their ideas of moral relativism and tolerance of sacrilage iws accepted and if they feel like we shouldn;t fight the terrorists why don't they go try to live among them and see what the do to americans, or women ,or homosexuals, etc...

[dream member]

[quote=dream1;394707]You know what really scares me though? Aside from the topic, I do appologize for wandering, but the price of gas. If it continues to go up, the economy will stop. I won't be able to go to work anymore...people won't be able to go to work anymore. Transportation will stop...that's very serious and very scary. I'm also concerned with the poisons found in food and children's toys. The cost of groceries scares me. I can't afford to eat some foods anymore. Insurance...I can't buy a house because paying 3000 a year for insurance is too much. Insurance companies and oil companies are the crooks and unfortunately...the govt keeps getting more money to let it go. The war - it's time to end. I was for it when it began, but it's turning into a joke. Too many people are getting in trouble for doing their jobs over there...it's bs...how about the border patrolmen(don't remember their names) who got in trouble for doing their jobs.


I worry about all those things on a daily basis as well. the fortunate thing about the money is Huck wants you to keep more of it. He wants a fair tax, to get rid of payroll taxes, do that you have money to spend on stuff you need. While the more money money you make you get taxed more, however the hourly wage working man still fells the issues with the economy at the pump when he goes to fill up for work. He feels it when he has to go and purchase food for his family. The war must be ended i agree but we cannot cut and run, because we will end up there again in the long run. We need to finish the job we should have during Gulf War 1. I totally understand the frustration you have with the unrightful charges of the border patrolmen. I have heard countless stories from the bp and dea agents who were told to refrain from doing their jobs due to a shoot out on the border. We have to stop being a politically correct nation when it comes down to protecting our borders and fighting wars and the media needs to stop being so UNamerican and start reporting all the good we are doing in the world after all who comes and bailed out Europe twice and has been a leader in the important issues of time when nobody else had the guts to. We need to remember who we are and stop worrying baout what others might think. Those who are in the minoity in this country who hate is so much need to get out and go where their ideas of moral relativism and tolerance of sacrilage iws accepted and if they feel like we shouldn;t fight the terrorists why don't they go try to live among them and see what the do to americans, or women ,or homosexuals, etc...

I completely agree with those statements. America is starting to look weak, what with all the rules being placed on the heads of the men at the frontlines...and if they do their jobs, they get in trouble. That's bullshit!

I think we do need to remember who we are and tell the rest of the world to STFU! When they need help, they come to America...when they get pissed because something is wrong, they come to America. Close the borders and open fire! (Ok...a little over the line, but for the most part...I believe it should happen).

[dream member]

I remember when I was younger and didn't pay any attention to politics...now I watch CNN during my lunches and read the paper on the net at work. I must know what's going on! :)

[dreamhippy]

Where is the best website for a comparison viewing of all the various presidential hopeful`s various stances on the several important issues? What I mean is, I could individually view each and every website of the candidates, but my brain would be mush by the end of the day (As if it isn`t already). So where can I go that all the legwork has been done for me?

[dream member]

Where is the best website for a comparison viewing of all the various presidential hopeful`s various stances on the several important issues? What I mean is, I could individually view each and every website of the candidates, but my brain would be mush by the end of the day (As if it isn`t already). So where can I go that all the legwork has been done for me?

That's a good question...I think rdawg is gone for the night, but he might know.

[rdawg]

Where is the best website for a comparison viewing of all the various presidential hopeful`s various stances on the several important issues? What I mean is, I could individually view each and every website of the candidates, but my brain would be mush by the end of the day (As if it isn`t already). So where can I go that all the legwork has been done for me?


This is the best one that I have seen. So give it a try.

http://www.nationalplatforms.com/index.html

[Scarlett O'Hara]

Heard this morning, he's the only candiate with his own rock band. Has played with Grand Funk and Willie Nelson.

[rdawg]

Heard this morning, he's the only candiate with his own rock band. Has played with Grand Funk and Willie Nelson.

Yeah the band is called Capitol Offense. Check them out.

YouTube - Gov. Mike Huckabee

[rdawg]

YouTube - Gov. Huckabees band performs Freebird

here is freebird by capitol offense

[Scarlett O'Hara]

Yeah the band is called Capitol Offense. Check them out.

YouTube - Gov. Mike Huckabee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7qKs9m6Js)

Did before your post...They play some great Stepenwolf and Huckabee is an awesome bass player..............may change my vote!!!!

[hburgguy06]

Just one more reason to like mike...

[dreamhippy]

This is the best one that I have seen. So give it a try.

http://www.nationalplatforms.com/index.html

THANKS! :)

[rdawg]

Here is the official fire back for the desperate attacks from the Thompson campaign. Not too aggressive.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=757

[dreamhippy]

I can tell you what I have read about Huckabee. He personally did promos for the NAIS. He is for it. He wants a nationwide smoking ban. He is very much for a government that nurses us like babies.

As governor, Huckabee used his influence to stop church discipline on Clinton during one of his affairs. That tells me as a Baptist preacher, he is a fake. He compares the plight of illegal aliens to that of slaves before Lincoln's War. If he gets elected, bend over, here it comes for AMNESTY! What a joke! The slaves did NOT CHOOSE to come here!

[rdawg]

I can tell you what I have read about Huckabee. He personally did promos for the NAIS. He is for it. He wants a nationwide smoking ban. He is very much for a government that nurses us like babies.

As governor, Huckabee used his influence to stop church discipline on Clinton during one of his affairs. That tells me as a Baptist preacher, he is a fake. He compares the plight of illegal aliens to that of slaves before Lincoln's War. If he gets elected, bend over, here it comes for AMNESTY! What a joke! The slaves did NOT CHOOSE to come here!


Securing our borders must be our top priority and has reached the level of a national emergency.
The Governor supports the $3 billion the Senate has voted for border security. This money will train and deploy 23,000 more agents, add four drone planes, build 700 miles of fence and 300 miles of vehicle barriers, and put up 105 radar and camera towers. This money will turn “catch and release” into “catch and detain” of those entering illegally, and crack down on those who overstay their visas.
In this age of terror, immigration is not only an economic issue, but also a national security issue. Those caught trying to enter illegally must be detained, processed, and deported.
The Governor opposes and will never allow amnesty. He opposed the amnesty President Bush and Senator McCain tried to ram through Congress this summer, and opposed the misnamed DREAM Act, which would have put us on the slippery slope to amnesty for all.
The Governor opposes and will not tolerate sanctuaries for illegals. The federal government must crack down on rogue cities that willfully undermine our economy and national security.
The Governor opposes giving driver’s licenses to illegals and supports legislation to prevent states from doing so.
The Governor will stop punishing cities which try to enforce our laws and protect the economic well-being, physical safety, and quality of life of their citizens.
The Governor opposes and will not tolerate employers who hire illegals. They must be punished with fines and penalties so large that they will see it is not worth the risk.
The Governor opposes the economic integration of North America that would create open borders among the United States, Canada, and Mexico. He will never yield one iota or one inch of our sovereignty.
The Governor will take our country back for those who belong here. No open borders, no amnesty, no sanctuary, no false Social Security numbers, no driver’s licenses for illegals. NAIS??? Clinton and the church??? I have refuted the immigration hits left and right..Here it is again. Do you have articles regarding these accusations? Moreover, Who's your candidate of choice?

[dreamhippy]

Thanks for clearing that up about the borders and immigration. I found that online somewhere...I am for Ron Paul, and thought I would like Huck also until reading that he likens the illegals to slaves before the War of Northern Aggression. IF he felt that way, he is not right and should not be taken seriously. Thanks again for clearing that up. What about the NAIS? Do you specifically know that he is against it rather than for it? I cannot take anyone seriously who is for it.

[dreamhippy]

Also, what about the smoking ban. Is that for real, or just misinformation? Really, I hope I am not getting anybody`s dander up. I just read those things on Homesteadingtoday and wondered about them. I do not claim to be an authority.

[rdawg]

Also, what about the smoking ban. Is that for real, or just misinformation? Really, I hope I am not getting anybody`s dander up. I just read those things on Homesteadingtoday and wondered about them. I do not claim to be an authority.


I will look into them and get you an answer as soon as I have time.

[hendrixfreak70]

I do not offend anyone here but obviously Ron Paul is my man for every reasons imaginable. However, I hate to say it but Huck would be my way distant second out of all the ones that are to be taken serious. I would really rather have Alan Keyes as my second but I think he is in it for the money. Huckabee is called 'tax hike Mike' in Arkansas by some. I actually voted for Keyes in 2000 in the Mississippi Primary. Coincidentally he came in 2nd behind Bush. The one thing Huck is good for is he isnt a member of the CFR, Trilateralist, or Bilderberger (as far as i know) but I fear it would change if he got in office, so therefore it is my sincere belief the only who will do what they say the are gonna do is Ron Paul, but Mike is not terrible. :)

[hendrixfreak70]

That last post should read that I do not want to offend anyone!

[SueScribe]

Ya'll still digging around for a Contendah, are you? :-D

Mike Huckabee. President Huckabee. :laugh:

On the other hand, why not . . we (that is, the USofA) have been villified around the World for six-plus years account a cowboy, might as well throw the World a chipmunk. That way, they'll never know what to expect.

:smt118

[hendrixfreak70]

Ya'll still digging around for a Contendah, are you? :-D

Mike Huckabee. President Huckabee. :laugh:

On the other hand, why not . . we (that is, the USofA) have been villified around the World for six-plus years account a cowboy, might as well throw the World a chipmunk. That way, they'll never know what to expect.

:smt118

yes sweet :clap: Actually I am done digging and I found my President 7 months ago... right after Ron Paul announced!!!

[SueScribe]

yes sweet :clap: Actually I am done digging and I found my President 7 months ago... right after Ron Paul announced!!!

And, I think your Party is beginning to hear ya'll. Problem is - methinks it might produce a convention result that no one likes, that will be fractuous to the GOP platform and, thus, will be left limping toward November, `08 with a candidate that is more compromise than competence, more of a truly political animal than the one Paul and (to a lesser extent) Huckabee's candidacies represent.

That's the danger of divisive politics - the division can bring the entire house down.

[hendrixfreak70]

I fear you may be right. There aren't many people willing to stand up to the man (Kucinich, Gravel, Paul) are the exceptions. Also James Traficant was the man too but the Fed came down on him!

[dollfus46]

And, I think your Party is beginning to hear ya'll. Problem is - methinks it might produce a convention result that no one likes, that will be fractuous to the GOP platform and, thus, will be left limping toward November, `08 with a candidate that is more compromise than competence, more of a truly political animal than the one Paul and (to a lesser extent) Huckabee's candidacies represent.

That's the danger of divisive politics - the division can bring the entire house down.
You could be right, Sue, but there are far more competent candidates in the Democrat race than Hillary. Being Senator one term and first lady doen't not make her competent to be President. Biden is competent if you use competency as the only yardstick.

[rdawg]

Thanks for clearing that up about the borders and immigration. I found that online somewhere...I am for Ron Paul, and thought I would like Huck also until reading that he likens the illegals to slaves before the War of Northern Aggression. IF he felt that way, he is not right and should not be taken seriously. Thanks again for clearing that up. What about the NAIS? Do you specifically know that he is against it rather than for it? I cannot take anyone seriously who is for it.

I have not found an official stance on either the NAIS or the Smoking Ban. I have emailed Gov. Huckabee himself and he is good about getting back to me so I should have an answer to you soon. I will give you the truth, and only the truth.

[rdawg]

See the link for lots of info on Huck and the issues.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=VerticalDay.Home&l=CFF1C9FE8923EE032B75F248251691BD

[fuzzis]

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RedState Update does Mike Huckabee's new slogan. (warning...it's a little...blue)

[rdawg]

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RedState Update does Mike Huckabee's new slogan. (warning...it's a little...blue)

Very classy!

[Hob684]

Very classy!

thats what we've got around these parts.... all class.

[fuzzis]

Very classy!

They are equally offensive.

:laugh::laugh:

From August...

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[rdawg]

FIRST IN IOWA!!!!!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/iowa/republican_iowa_caucus

[rdawg]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/huckabee_is_a_fiscal_conservat.html

Outside the campaign backing on Huck as a conservative.

[hendrixfreak70]

How is raising taxes being 'fiscally conservative'? How is not going against the Federal Reserve being 'fiscally' conservative? Just wondering?

[rdawg]

How is raising taxes being 'fiscally conservative'? How is not going against the Federal Reserve being 'fiscally' conservative? Just wondering?

In Arkansas, the income tax when he took office was 1 percent for the poorest taxpayers and 7 percent for the richest, exactly where it stood when he left the statehouse 11 years later. But, in the interim, he doubled the standard deduction and the child care credit, repealed capital gains taxes for home sales, lowered the capital gains rate, expanded the homestead exemption and set up tax-free savings accounts for medical care and college tuition.
Most impressively, when he had to pass an income tax surcharge amid the drop in revenues after Sept. 11, 2001, he repealed it three years later when he didn't need it any longer.
He raised the sales tax one cent in 11 years and did that only after the courts ordered him to do so. (He also got voter approval for a one-eighth-of-one-cent hike for parks and recreation.)

Doesn't sound like the evil Tax hike Mike everyone seems to be griping about.

[hendrixfreak70]

I dont know.... I know several folks from Arkansas that wasn't happy with the tax situation. I know the stats say that all 50 states increased taxes but that doesnt make it ok to do it. Governors also have to answer to the state legislators... much like Congress and the Executive Branch. If Huckabee doesnt seriously assert the need for the gold standard to return or study any theory of Austrian School of Economics then IMO he has no grasp of fiscal responsibility. Coincidentally Ludwig Von Mises and F.A. Hayek warned of the impending economic disaster that is created by a Federal Reserve, fiat currency, and a graduated income tax. All of these notions are also planks of communism. Therefore by not advocating what Hayek, Mises, and Paul argue for the candidates are not doing enough. Also foreign policy, wow, where to start? Why is it that the paradigm has shifted in the Republican Party from small government and non-interventionalism to pro-war with everything that moves and spending money on maintaining an empire. Rdawg, I have no doubt that you consider yourself a conservative, it is obvious to me. However be advised that the conservatives now are not the conservatives of our Founding Fathers. We have been duped. I say we all return to the things that made this country great for a few years anyway, and that is the Constitution. Screw party loyalty, political correctness and expedience, and the communist lot that have infiltrated our political system.

[rdawg]

I know several folks and am related to dozens more in the great state. there are a lot of positive comments and some not so positive. You sound like a smart kid. I have to be honest with you the Constitution means nothing if rogue judges define it. We are in the war on terror and we will take that war to the terrorists. Being a conservative doesn't mean being a republican, libertarian, or anything else. i am a republican yes but I am a Christian first, I look to the man who I trust to be the most socially conservative, and equally fiscally conservative. Taxes will get raised no matter who is in office. It's who does the best job in putting money back in the taxpayers disposal whether it be rebates or programs. Also why not invoke the name of James MAdison or Alexander Hamiliton.

[hendrixfreak70]

I can invoke away.... just look throughout my posts. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson are my two favorite people from our Founding Fathers. I have studied the Federalist Papers, Constitution, and de Tocqueville extensively. I have fought in this war on terror and I am here to tell you that it isn't what it seems. If nothing else, it is an opportunity to erode our rights away via the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act to name a few pieces of blatant legislation. 500 Billion dollars of our money going overseas to the highest bidder (in case of Haliburton no bid at all) for what? Fragile democracy 6500 miles away? 4,000 dead 30,000 wounded? Useless legislation aforementioned? For example James Madison once remarked 'If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.' Sound crazy to you?? Course because that is the excuse conspiracy theorists use, like me. However this man is the Father of the Constitution. He knew full well the dangers of an all too powerful government. And it is coming to fruition. I do applaud you being a Christian as I am too. However prophetically speaking bad things are going on and have been forever. But many things must come to pass and this endless cycle of demagoguery and smokescreening is expediting the situation.

As far as who will do the best to put money back into our pockets, come one.... Ron Paul's idea of the abolishment of the IRS, 16th Amendment (federal income tax) and the Federal Reserve or Mike Huckabee talking about lowering taxes?? Which one will put more money into your pockets?? By the way Ron Paul does't just talk it he walks it... look at his voting record about fiscal issues in Congress. I would post it here but chances are you wouldn't read it.

[TheKing]

A bit off topic...but funny nonetheless

An old man lays it to Mitt Romney

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[rdawg]

Once again another solid performance from Mike Huckabee in the CNN/ you tube debate. Huckabee is not one of the guys that is in it to beat everybody down. Rather he is the man who is trying to get the others thinking about real solutions to real problems. Kudos to McCain for making a Ron Paul get that animal in the corner look like he gets come on Paulites you know what I mean.

[hendrixfreak70]

Once again another solid performance from Mike Huckabee in the CNN/ you tube debate. Huckabee is not one of the guys that is in it to beat everybody down. Rather he is the man who is trying to get the others thinking about real solutions to real problems. Kudos to McCain for making a Ron Paul get that animal in the corner look like he gets come on Paulites you know what I mean.

I am not sure what you're referring to. Was it when Ron Paul was about to slap McCain's hairpiece off of his head for being ignorant about history (WWII was not a product of isolationism, rather us sticking our nose into everything, hence Pearl Harbor, in actuality it was the opposite interventionalism that brought us WWII.), or was it when John "Manchurian Candidate" McCain called Ron an isolationist?? The real isolationist Rdawg are the ones that shut down trade with a country over something that happened 50 years ago. The real isolationist are the ones poor trillions of dollars into foreign countries only to decry the situation when they attack us. The real isolationist do not want dialogue with anyone they consider in ill-will. That is real isolationism and it differs contrastly from non-interventionalism. Meanwhile Huckabee wants to send Hillary to Mars, well don't we all?? However, men and women are forever being maimed in a far away country and all these asshats can do is tickle fight one another and make quirky comments that solve absolutely nothing. Not one time did I hear anyone come up with any solutions (except for Ron Paul, Fred Thompson but he is a CFR guy so nevermind what he says, and maybe Mike), they just attacked one another essentially over who was the most liberal.

I really do not have much of a problem with Huckabee but I think he is a Washington politician because he wants to get rid of the IRS, sounds familiar. Yet he doesnt take his ideas far enough because quite frankly this country is nearly beyond repair. We have communists on one side and Fascists on the other and the middle class is eroding. Time to wake up and get this country back to the Constitution. Ben Franklin once said those that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

[rdawg]

I am not sure what you're referring to. Was it when Ron Paul was about to slap McCain's hairpiece off of his head for being ignorant about history (WWII was not a product of isolationism, rather us sticking our nose into everything, hence Pearl Harbor, in actuality it was the opposite interventionalism that brought us WWII.), or was it when John "Manchurian Candidate" McCain called Ron an isolationist?? The real isolationist Rdawg are the ones that shut down trade with a country over something that happened 50 years ago. The real isolationist are the ones poor trillions of dollars into foreign countries only to decry the situation when they attack us. The real isolationist do not want dialogue with anyone they consider in ill-will. That is real isolationism and it differs contrastly from non-interventionalism. Meanwhile Huckabee wants to send Hillary to Mars, well don't we all?? However, men and women are forever being maimed in a far away country and all these asshats can do is tickle fight one another and make quirky comments that solve absolutely nothing. Not one time did I hear anyone come up with any solutions (except for Ron Paul, Fred Thompson but he is a CFR guy so nevermind what he says, and maybe Mike), they just attacked one another essentially over who was the most liberal.

I really do not have much of a problem with Huckabee but I think he is a Washington politician because he wants to get rid of the IRS, sounds familiar. Yet he doesnt take his ideas far enough because quite frankly this country is nearly beyond repair. We have communists on one side and Fascists on the other and the middle class is eroding. Time to wake up and get this country back to the Constitution. Ben Franklin once said those that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

he's no Washington politician, he's a good ole boy from Hope,AR. I hope you continue to like Mike. When Paul drops out I would love to have all of the Paul camp support to go on and beat a hillary or an obama. See the newsweek article in the republican debate thread when you get a chance.

[rdawg]

Don't count on it as you keep trying to put our man down. That's pretty dumb polyticking. Huck was something stealing Ron's IRS platform from the previous debate. In fact most of the twits have adopted Ron's message. :rolleyes:

LOL, I am not poking fun at anyone. I can't stand romney or giuliani.. Paul entertains me.

[rdawg]

Don't count on it as you keep trying to put our man down. That's pretty dumb polyticking. Huck was something stealing Ron's IRS platform from the previous debate. In fact most of the twits have adopted Ron's message. :rolleyes:

LOL, I am not poking fun at anyone. I can't stand romney or giuliani.. Paul entertains me.

[Augustus McRae]

Huck did not do a bad job last night. Ron Paul stands amazed, I am sure, that half of these guys are NOW saying what he has been saying for months! It's amazing really! My other observation from last night is that " I got my hunting license at 10" Hunter and the LDS "pretty boy" went in the tank last night! McCain is getting a little manic. Then he gets this "didn't I do good" weird rain man grin on his face when he gets agreement or applause. I think the pace is wearing on him. Fred just cracks jokes and quotes the Constitution. Rudy ain't got a frattlin' thing to talk about but New York City. Does he have a clue that there are over 200,000,000 Americans who don't give a rat's rump about New York City?

[rdawg]

Huck did not do a bad job last night. Ron Paul stands amazed, I am sure, that half of these guys are NOW saying what he has been saying for months! It's amazing really! My other observation from last night is that " I got my hunting license at 10" Hunter and the LDS "pretty boy" went in the tank last night! McCain is getting a little manic. Then he gets this "didn't I do good" weird rain man grin on his face when he gets agreement or applause. I think the pace is wearing on him. Fred just cracks jokes and quotes the Constitution. Rudy ain't got a frattlin' thing to talk about but New York City. Does he have a clue that there are over 200,000,000 Americans who don't give a rat's rump about New York City?

I agree for the most part. However I think that McCain's performance was pretty good, and might give a much needed shot in the arm to his camp.

[Augustus McRae]

I agree for the most part. However I think that McCain's performance was pretty good, and might give a much needed shot in the arm to his camp.


I agree that he will get some positive "bump" from it, dawg; but it was "rhetoric" to the highest degree! He appeared almost desparate. I kind of like McCain for a lot of reasons. And, the truth is, he would NOT be afraid to get after Hillary's butt hard and heavy. But I thought he got "shaky" last night. Truth is, I thought your guy stood out. I thought RP looked a little nervous...but his points were cogent and clear.

[hendrixfreak70]

I generally don't care to get involved in other candidates platforms because they are generally all the same, except when they try to steal Ron Paul's platform. I could go toe-to-toe about any one of the candidates but it is really irrelevant. To sum it up, they are all pro-war regardless of the outcome, big foreign policy spenders, ignoring the Constitution, man the list goes on. Huckabee is a Washington politician because he likes to steal ideas, he raised taxes 21 times in Arkansas. He couldn't cite one passage from the Constitution. He doesn't take his ideas far enough. BTW Paul isnt dropping out anytime soon.

[Augustus McRae]

McCain is over and out. What Ron Paul said about donations from Army officers is true. I am closely tied to many in the military and most don't want the same old, same old shat. The majority of military officers and enlisted will support Paul over McCain. Bank it.

But, as an aside, wasn't the gay General cute? The news today is that he was a Hillary/Cooper Anderson plant. Ron Paul would not rule out gays to operate as linguists, interpreters, analysts, and other important duties not related to battle unit (squad) cohesion, (like medical staff) something we are sorely lacking.

The USA is the only military in the world that has an issue with intelligent gays who keep it zipped on duty. Gays can be patriots, too.

I ain't gay but I know some gays and they are nice hard working people who don't even attempt to force their issues down anyones throat (I said a pun :kekeke:)


No joke! The gay general and the Koresh/Manson psychopath with the King James Bible were my favorite moments!

[hendrixfreak70]

No joke! The gay general and the Koresh/Manson psychopath with the King James Bible were my favorite moments!


Lol @ the gay people!! I was floored when he said 'and I am openly gay'. Of course I am probably the most homophobic person here, however rather a person is gay or not has no bearing on me, in combat, on the federal level, other people, or freedom. The government should not sponser anything pertaining to orientation. Who are we to judge?

[TDaleBeavers]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/


Here's an Iowa rasmussen poll released yesterday:

MIKE HUCKABEE HAS TAKEN THE LEAD!!

HUCKABEE 28%
ROMNEY 25%
RUDY G 12%
FRED THOMPSON 10%
RON PAUL 5%
TOM TANCREDO 4%
JOHN MCCAIN 4%
DUNCAN HUNTER 1%

[Hob684]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/


Here's an Iowa rasmussen poll released yesterday:

MIKE HUCKABEE HAS TAKEN THE LEAD!!

HUCKABEE 28%
ROMNEY 25%
RUDY G 12%
FRED THOMPSON 10%
RON PAUL 5%
TOM TANCREDO 4%
JOHN MCCAIN 4%
DUNCAN HUNTER 1%


Silly Rabbit... Polls don't mean Sh*t

[TDaleBeavers]

Not entirely...but these polls I think do reflect a growing momentum for Governor Huckabee in Iowa. Should he go on to win Iowa that momentum will simply carry over to New Hampshire and other states.

[hendrixfreak70]

Well I guess the election is over now. They don't take into consideration the Independents, Dems who have switched or are going to switch to vote for Paul, the 18 y/o demagraphic that didn't vote in the last primary, Lord the list goes on. Cite away at the polls because they are SO accurate and since they are then shouldn't everyone else stop campaigning because after all Iowa, one of 52 states (Afghanistan, and Iraq are the two newest) , has Huckabee in the lead. Pack it everyone it's over. How many candidates who have won Iowa have won the nomination?? I really don't know so someone post it here.

[TDaleBeavers]

Well..the last few strongly contestly primary seasons the Iowa winner on both sides has gone on to win. In 2004, John Kerry won Iowa, while Howard Dean imploded, en route to the nomination. In 2000, George W. Bush won Iowa (lost New Hampshire to John McCain) en route to victory (Gore won on the Demo side over Bill Bradley).

In 1996, Bob Dole won Iowa (lost to Buchanan in New Hampshire) en route to the nomination.

I can't remember if Bill Clinton won in 1992 in Iowa or not. The 1988 primaries were the last time I know that there was a real deviation between the Iowa primary winner and the party nominee. On the Democratic side, Congressman Dick Gephard won the Iowa Caucus (he was from neighboring Missouri) and Bob Dole won on the Republican side with Pat Robertson coming in second. That year, George HW Bush and Michael Dukakis were the nominees.

[fuzzis]

Well I guess the election is over now. They don't take into consideration the Independents, Dems who have switched or are going to switch to vote for Paul, the 18 y/o demagraphic that didn't vote in the last primary, Lord the list goes on. Cite away at the polls because they are SO accurate and since they are then shouldn't everyone else stop campaigning because after all Iowa, one of 52 states (Afghanistan, and Iraq are the two newest) , has Huckabee in the lead. Pack it everyone it's over. How many candidates who have won Iowa have won the nomination?? I really don't know so someone post it here.

The Rasmussen screening process (http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/iowa/iowa_caucus_screening).

[TDaleBeavers]

One additional quick reflect...native son Tom Harkin overwhelmingly defeated Clinton, Jerry Brown, Paul Tsongas, et al in the 1992 Iowa Caucus- apparently the other contenders conceded Iowa to Harkin and focused on New Hampshire that year.

[hendrixfreak70]

So it is hit or miss with more hit in recent years? Thanks much.

[hendrixfreak70]

The Rasmussen screening process (http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/iowa/iowa_caucus_screening).


First, we ask about voting history and only include those who say they vote all of the time or most of the time.

Perfect example of what I am talking about. I read some place where 10% of the population are disaffected. I was one of those. I actually think that it is higher IMO. These polls don't take into account those who are newly able to vote. This goes for all the candidates, not just Ron Paul so you can not say now I am pulling one way or the other. In essence, many people who don't vote now have someone to vote for. I have never voted before and I know many people haven't that are going to now. :clap:

Second, we ask how closely the respondent has followed the Presidential debates and other campaign activities. Those following the campaign Very or Somewhat Closely are included

How is this relevant?? So the ones who dont follow closely are not included?? Wow, really scientific.

Third, we ask specifically about how likely each person was to participate in the caucus. Those who are Very or Somewhat Likely to participate are included in the final sample.

This is an important dependent variable. The campaigns of each candidate have the potential to reach voters on a weekly basis. So the ones who are not voting now are thrown out and likely not included in again with a phone call later. So the ones who may vote one particular way get ignored altogether.

We also looked at an even tighter screen by including by asking the following question… Many times, things come up that make it impossible for someone to participate in the caucuses. This year, the event will be held much closer to the holidays and winter weather is also a possibility. Are you certain that you will participate in the Iowa caucuses or is it possible that something might come up to prevent you from attending?

A good dependent variable. At least they acknowledge this variable!


As we examined each scenario, the results shifted modestly but the overall results remained quite consistent.

How can this be consistent when 3 out of the 4 mentioned variables are not fully integrated into the sampling?? This is precisely my point.


Thanks Fuzz for the posting. From here on out when you post something, I will read it and elaborate my opinions! I know I try to sound like a know-it-all and for that I apologize. I am just worried about this country and believe strongly unless we reel some of this corruption in, our Republic will fall. Roman empire???

[Reason]

You want this guy to be president?

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He's a creationist who is running as a theocrat. Sorry, but that's not the kind of thing we are supposed to put up with in America.

If he were a Muslim who took a phone call from Allah at a political rally, I'm certain he would be lambasted. If he were a Scientologist who took a phone call from Xenu, I'm sure we would all roll our eyes and laugh.

But the above stunt, and all his ridiculous Christian pandering, gets rounds of applause and support threads like this one.

[dreamhippy]

Blasphemy scores zero points with me.