Anti-illegal immigration website for Mississippians

[mspolitics82]

www.mfire.org (http://www.mfire.org)

With the new legislative session starting in less than two weeks, I hope you all will get involved in what is sure to be an interesting fight to have some legislation in Mississippi to fight illegal immigration. Why interesting? Because most of our elected legislators campaigned on this issue, and I am going to follow things closely to see who actually becomes active in this issue, which I believe most Mississippians are ready for some action, not just words!

This is a GREAT website of a Miss. organization which the Pine Belt's own Rep. Mike Lott helped start. I am a member, and hope you will join, too. It's FREE! the website is up to date and very informative.

[firefly]

Wow! That would be really great if they are really going to do something about all of these illegals overrunning our state! We need to stand up for what's right & get them outta here! I don't have a problem with someone wanting to come here & have a better life for themselves, but do it LEGALLY! I am sick & tired of seeing these protests in the news where the illegals are carrying signs saying "Equal Rights For ALL!" Excuse me, if you are in this country illegally you are breaking the law & HAVE NO RIGHTS!!! Not only that, but they are carrying the MEXICAN FLAG in these protests!!! If one of us went over there & tried to pull something like that, we would probably meet up with an "ACCIDENT" & never be heard from again!:smt118

[JMC]

www.mfire.org (http://www.mfire.org)

It's FREE!

Membership app says it's 25.00 to join.

Good info on the site. Thanks for the link.

[dollfus46]

It's time to axt our Senators and Congressmen what they plan to do. And while we are at it, axt our Governor what he's going to do about it. Put them in the spotlight and make their sorry arses look into the camera as say something.

[Waldo]

1 immigrant every 13 seconds.



Meanwhile, migration is expected to increase in the total U.S. population of one person every 13 seconds.



Source: Census Bureau (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/011108.html)

[TheStereoGuy]

The reason all of the illegals are here is because companies like Howard Industries is bringing ONE in to work its plant for 6 months, and that one brings his entire family of 15 with him. After his 6 months are up, he leaves Howards as he was supposed to, but doesn't go back to Mexico, and no one tracks his whereabouts. So they get to stay here and end up working for bridge construction companies ( read in the paper at one construction site about 20 were arrested ).

The easiest way to stop this, is stop companies from bringing them in in the first place. Penalize them, fine them, give them tax breaks or something for hiring legal citizens of the U.S.

[TheStereoGuy]

The Governement wouldn't even have to ask me if it was my land they needed to build this fence on. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/12/08/MN1GTQJ86.DTL)

"Sure guys, go right on ahead, I'll even help you with it at no charge. Hey, do you think you could put one of those remote control gun turrets on the top of it?"

Gun turret goodness.

More gun turret goodness.

[daisy]

The reason all of the illegals are here is because companies like Howard Industries is bringing ONE in to work its plant for 6 months, and that one brings his entire family of 15 with him. After his 6 months are up, he leaves Howards as he was supposed to, but doesn't go back to Mexico, and no one tracks his whereabouts. So they get to stay here and end up working for bridge construction companies ( read in the paper at one construction site about 20 were arrested ).

The easiest way to stop this, is stop companies from bringing them in in the first place. Penalize them, fine them, give them tax breaks or something for hiring legal citizens of the U.S.

I agree that businesses need them and most politicians need businesses donations. So, nothing will be done becuase politicians are beholden to their $$$donors and don't want to lose any votes.

[mspolitics82]

Membership app says it's 25.00 to join.

Good info on the site. Thanks for the link.

Yes, the app. does say $25, but that is really optional. You can send in your application and still become a member....the $25 is mainly for help in doing their work....publicity, radio/newspaper ads, rental fees for meeting places, etc.....they have no paid staff, just volunteers.

[countrygirl]

Is Howard Industries really hiring illegals? Or do they hire Mexicans that are here legally? Either way, it's not good....

[onlyme]

Is Howard Industries really hiring illegals? Or do they hire Mexicans that are here legally? Either way, it's not good....

Why is it not good to hire legal immigrants? :confused:

[daisy]

Is Howard Industries really hiring illegals? Or do they hire Mexicans that are here legally? Either way, it's not good....

Yes, Howard Industries has used them but I think they are here on work passes or visas.

We can debate the right or wrong of it. One thing I have heard over and over is that they are hard-workers and were made to take their breaks even over at Howard Industries.

Your second ?about the legal Mexicans, i am not sure I follow what's wrong with them working if they are here legally. :confused: Can you please explain that?

[58ford]

If they ae here legally........more power to 'em....my g'parents came here legally & grew cotton

[onlyme]

My theory: Most legal immigrants, certainly the ones who came here for a better life, are at least as patriotic as most indigenous US citizens. Contrary to popular belief it's not that easy to immigrate to the USA and people who spend a lot of money, nerves and time on the process have a deep desire to live and work here. They come here because they have a fondness for the USA and thrive to better themselves and their new home. They are extremely proud of little achievements and are willing to sacrifice a lot to start all over, sometimes at rock bottom ( much of the same can be said about illegal imimgrants but fact is that they broke the law ). You should see their faces when they are sworn in as US citizens. There is such pride and happiness, tears of joy, a sense of " now I really belong". To deny them the same rights and doubt their motives and character as other citizens is cruel and rude, to say the least.

[mspolitics82]

My theory: Most legal immigrants, certainly the ones who came here for a better life, are at least as patriotic as most indigenous US citizens. Contrary to popular belief it's not that easy to immigrate to the USA and people who spend a lot of money, nerves and time on the process have a deep desire to live and work here. They come here because they have a fondness for the USA and thrive to better themselves and their new home. They are extremely proud of little achievements and are willing to sacrifice a lot to start all over, sometimes at rock bottom ( much of the same can be said about illegal imimgrants but fact is that they broke the law ). You should see their faces when they are sworn in as US citizens. There is such pride and happiness, tears of joy, a sense of " now I really belong". To deny them the same rights and doubt their motives and character as other citizens is cruel and rude, to say the least.

I personally know two LEGAL immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, and you are right on target....but, I don't think this thread is talking about LEGAL immigrants, so I am not sure why you wrote that last comment about denying them rights, doubting their motives, etc.
I don't even think we should be CRUEL or RUDE to illegal aliens....BUT I do think we need to be FIRM and UNRELENTLESS about making sure they KNOW that most Americans do not think that ILLEGAL aliens have the same rights as American citizens or even as LEGAL immigrants...because anyone who has entered this country illegally has no rights, other than the right to be treated humanely, which is NOT the same as the right to get an education, the right to get food stamps,the right to get housing, etc. If I sneak into another country illegally, what kind of rights do you think that govt. would grant me? Zero, zippo, zilch, nada, etc. !!!!!

By the way, it is not even a matter of doubting their motives/character...illegal immigration has nothing to do with that, except that it says alot about their character if they, from the get-go, ignore our country's laws!

I feel the same way about AMERICANS who also BREAK the law by giving illegal aliens a job....it also says alot about their character, or lack of it. If they knowingly do this, they are GUILTY of "aiding and abetting" which is a federal crime. But then, who at the Fed. govt. is serious about truly enforcing immigration law? Apparently not the ones that matter most!!!

[TheStereoGuy]

Being in the car audio business, and formerly based in Laurel, I got to work on some of their trucks.

Yes, they speak English better than they let you know.

Yes, Howards is brining them over here legally, but they can only stay for a short time before they have to go back. Couple of them I talked too were good people. Came here cause they were getting $7 an hour to clean the floors for 10 hours a day, whereas they were getting what amounted to $2 an hour back home working 14 hours. They will do ANYTHING here cause they see the money involved. Most of them send 3/4 of their paychecks home if they don't bring their entire family with them in the first place.

The problem is, some of them don't go back when they are supposed to. They stay here. They go for the jobs that most Americans don't want, or feel they are too good for, and hope to stay under the radar so as not to get caught.

The really really sad part about it all, is that they do go for the jobs that most American Citizens do not want, or feel they are too good for. This stuff is a goldmine for the Mexicans, as they do harder work for much less back home. Too many Americans want to sit at home and have the government pay them for having 7 children.

I have a new idea, keep the imagrants, give them citizenship, let them work and make their way. Then deport the lazy ass Americans that mooch off Uncle Sam to Mexico. Seems like a fair trade to me.

[Remington]

That would be a fair trade, but would never happen. My concern is that once they figure out that they can have 7 kids and draw government welfare, they won't be such the hard worker that they are today.

[TheStereoGuy]

That would be a fair trade, but would never happen. My concern is that once they figure out that they can have 7 kids and draw government welfare, they won't be such the hard worker that they are today.

That may be a reason to keep most of them from learning to read/write in English then wouldn't it.

Then again, everything is double printed in Spanish these days so it may not work.

[mspolitics82]

That would be a fair trade, but would never happen. My concern is that once they figure out that they can have 7 kids and draw government welfare, they won't be such the hard worker that they are today.

Very good insight, and right on the money! I agree with some other comments about lazy Americans. Our government certainly has made it way too easy to stay home and draw a check....and for some families, it has become a generation=to=generation way of life....that's all the kids know, because that's what they've learned by seeing and experiencing.
So, that is what they grow up expecting....not all, but I believe most of them do....and, don't misunderstand what I am saying....this is something that is true of basically every race and ethnic group in our country.
The sad thing is, our govt. will probably continue to perpetuate the problem, unless we hard working Americans finally stand up in unison and say, ENOUGH, damnit!

In the meantime, we will continue to hear one excuse after another as to why we should "turn our heads" to the illegal immigration mess! But I say that if coyotes (who are usually Americans) can create a system to get foreign workers to areas of our country where workers are needed, the WHY CANNOT OUR GOVT. LEADERS FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET AMERICANS WHO NEED WORK INTO AREAS WHERE WORKERS ARE NEEDED? Such as after Hurricane Katrina----wasn't it absolutely amazing to see the Gulf Coast and S. Miss. literally overtaken with foreign workers in such a VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME...yet, time Americans got here from N. Carolina, Kentucky, Viriginia, etc. the illegals were here and being used by contractors who were underbidding the Americans who came here looking for work....SO, many of those had to go back home because they could not find a lot of work at reasonable labor prices. Now some of you will say that did not happen, but I say you are gravely mistaken if you really think that....I know firsthand, coz I was down there and saw it happen....had 3 friends who came from those states I just mentioned, and it happened to all three of them and their small crews they brought with them. What a shame! American contractors not able to find work, because a few other American contractors were willing to ignore the laws of our land for the Almighty dollar! Well, many of the people who had their roofs fixed by illegals and fly by night contractors who hired them are now paying the price for the inexperience....in the long run they would have come out better by hiring the Americans for a little more.

Yet, on the other hand, as mentioned earlier.....it is hard to convince even people in impoverished areas of our own state like the Delta and Southwest Ms. to move to other places where jobs are available.....they are settled in their lifestyle of that monthly check and govt. benefits, and are happy enough with that lifestyle and happy enough to bear and raise children in that lifestyle. As long as that is the case, then NOTHING that anyone does can help the Ms. Delta or anywhere else in this country change for the better!

There....I sure feel better!

[onlyme]

[quote=mspolitics82;429910]I personally know two LEGAL immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, and you are right on target....but, I don't think this thread is talking about LEGAL immigrants, so I am not sure why you wrote that last comment about denying them rights, doubting their motives, etc.
quote]

I wrote it in reply to this post:
>>Is Howard Industries really hiring illegals? Or do they hire Mexicans that are here legally? Either way, it's not good....<<

I agree with all your sentiments about illegal immigrants.

[onlyme]

That would be a fair trade, but would never happen. My concern is that once they figure out that they can have 7 kids and draw government welfare, they won't be such the hard worker that they are today.

But by then they would have to be US citizens ( as green card holders are not entitled to the same benefits as citizens ) and could be deported with the rest of the "lazy-ass Americans" ;)

[Remington]

But right now in some states, there are those pushing for illegals to receive government assistance. They already are in some ways. Some are going to school and in many places, they clog up the emergency rooms because they know that they can't be turned away.

[mspolitics82]

But by then they would have to be US citizens ( as green card holders are not entitled to the same benefits as citizens ) and could be deported with the rest of the "lazy-ass Americans" ;)

They can have children once they get here, and our screwed up law makes that child a U.S. citizen just because it was born here and will allow the parents to get a "check" in the name of their child through Dept. of Human Services. Not only that, the lady's labor/delivery and entire hospital bill will be written off---the part they cannot pay---and illegals can pay very little-----GUESS WHO ENDS UP PAYING FOR IT? Either the hospital or the guvment (our tax dollars)! So, in those cases they DO NOT have to be US citizens to receive benefits.....benefits by the way, that MOST OF US CITIZENS do NOT get. Don't for one second think that those who come here illegally don't know how the system works, and like many Americans, they are milking it for every penny possible. Wouldn't it be nice if you or I could walk out the door of the hospital and have the guvment pay for what we cannot or do not want to pay for? This is just ONE example of why some of us are infuriated with this whole mess and have become extremely intolerable of excuses and lack of action to clean the mess up. BTW, there are some STATE govts. that DO indeed give public housing dollars to people WITHOUT demanding proof of legal status....SO IT IS HAPPENING, without being a citizen.

[mspolitics82]

MFIRE (www.mfire.org (http://www.mfire.org)) is meeting in Jackson on Thursday, Jan. 17.........inviting state legislators to hear a proposed piece of legislation formulated by their former Ex. Dir., Rep. Mike Lott (former Rep., I should say, as of this week). I understand Lott's proposal has been viewed by experienced national immigration attorneys and can hold up to constitutional testing. I have been told several legislators will be sponsoring this legislation during the session, but not sure exactly who at this point.

My fear is that with the narrow re-election of Speaker Billy McCOy, ANYTHING conservative is dead on arrival.

[firefly]

I think that the government should abolish the part of the Constitution that says if you are born here, you are automatically a US citizen because it is being BLATANTLY abused! They are coming over here & urging the women to get pregnant as fast as they can. We are being overrun with them & that does not bode well for our future!:smt105

[Blockhead]

The reason all of the illegals are here is because companies like Howard Industries is bringing ONE in to work its plant for 6 months, and that one brings his entire family of 15 with him. After his 6 months are up, he leaves Howards as he was supposed to, but doesn't go back to Mexico, and no one tracks his whereabouts. So they get to stay here and end up working for bridge construction companies ( read in the paper at one construction site about 20 were arrested ).

The easiest way to stop this, is stop companies from bringing them in in the first place. Penalize them, fine them, give them tax breaks or something for hiring legal citizens of the U.S.

If that scares you, whatever you do, don't EVER go inside Marshall Durbin.

[nooskye]

when we first moved up here, we lived in a little bitty mountain top town in north georgia ... it was said that the town had a 90% hispanic population ... we got a "feel" of the area and broke our necks and our bank account to move to north chattanooga ... which, by far ... isn't really all that much better ... there is a wal-mart right down the road from me (in both cities) specifically for the hispanic population ... signs are in spansih ... spanish food products, clothes they wear, etc ... when i went to the local child support enforcement office back before he died ... the DHS workers spoke spanish ... to everyone ... so much so, the big girl decided to try out her newly acquired spanish skills to hold a conversation with some of the people there ... it was sweet but heartbreaking at the thought of "great, she's gonna want spanish classes" now because she had such a hard time interacting with the people ... what *really* ticked me off was when the desk clerk looked at me and said "hola." ... now, i'm about the whitest person anyone knows, and I can hold like a 5 second conversation in spanish but there is NO WAY she could have known that!!! I went in speaking English, my three girls ... complete with blonde hair and blue eyes ... speak English ... and then ... people the big girl was trying to be nice to cleared up and spoke perfect english while they were on their lil cell phones, but acted like they didn't understand anything that came out of her mouth ... it wasn't a very comfortable experience ... I felt like I had no business being there ... I think it's sad that American's choose not to work the jobs that are being offered here, I think it's sad that they think they are too good for it ... i think its sad that they (illegals) come here to work, without any intention of ever becoming a Citizen just so they can send (what is it?) $20 million a year back to Mexico creating their President to declare the "US being an extention of Mexico" ... i think its sad that our government is so frivilous (sp) with our money .... be it for Citizens or non-citizens ... and i think its really, really sad and down right wrong that LEGAL citzens, be them immigrants or life timers :D ... foot the bill for all this crap!!! lol! my mother in law has a bumper sticker on her suv that reads: "If you can read this ... Thank A Teacher! It's in English ... so Thank A Vet!" ... so true ... so very, very true!!!

mspolitics ... i am not in hattiesburg, but i would love to know more ... is there anyway you could point me in the right direction to learn more about Immigration Reform in Tennessee???

[aquafine]

I found this quote...it sums up my feelings exactly:

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here , and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

[mspolitics82]

I found this quote...it sums up my feelings exactly:

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here , and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907


Check this out !!!! Scroll down the page a little to see a neat photo and caption.
www.mfire.org/about.html (http://www.mfire.org/about.html)

[aquafine]

Check this out !!!! Scroll down the page a little to see a neat photo and caption.
www.mfire.org/about.html (http://www.mfire.org/about.html)

I guess I didn't search that website well enough. I found that quote a while ago. I think it's dead on! :smt023

[Blockhead]

I found this quote...it sums up my feelings exactly:

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here , and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
So much for political correctness. I like it.

[dreamhippy]

Before you vote for a candidate look at this list to see if they voted to give our Social Security money to ILLGAL aliens who haven't paid into it for a life time like we did.

This is really sad to see......
/>
/> Social Security Change For 2008
/>
/> The United States Senate voted to extend Social
/> Security Benefits to Illegal Aliens beginning in
/> 2008.
/>
/> The following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed,there was no voting representative.
/>
/> Alaska: Stevens (R)
/>
/> Arizona : McCain (R)*****************************
/>
/> Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
/>
/> California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
/>
/> Colorado : Salazar (D)
/>
/> Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
/>
/> Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)
/>
/> Florida : Martinez (R)
/>
/> Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
/>
/> Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D) ***********************
/>
/> Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
/>
/> Iowa : Harkin (D)
/>
/> Kansas : Brownback (R)*********************
/>
/> Louisiana : Landrieu (D)
/>
/> Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
/>
/> Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
/>
/> Montana : Baucus (D)
/>
/> Nebraska : Hagel (R)
/>
/> Nevada : Reid (D)
/>
/> New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
/>
/> New Mexico : Bingaman (D)
/>
/> New York : Clinton (D) ****************************
Schumer (D)
/>
/> North Dakota : Dorgan (D)
/>
/> Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
/>
/> Oregon : Wyden (D)
/>
/> Pennsylvania : Specter (R)
/>
/> Rhode Island : Chafee (R) Reed (D)
/>
/> South Carolina : Graham (R)
/>
/> South Dakota : Johnson (D)
/>
/> Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
/>
/> Washington : Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
/>
/> West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
/>
/> Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

[firefly]

I found this quote...it sums up my feelings exactly:

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here , and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907 Oh, but they have the unmitigated GALL to carry the MEXICAN flag in their protests! Deport their butts ASAP!!!

[onlyme]

Before you vote for a candidate look at this list to see if they voted to give our Social Security money to ILLGAL aliens who haven't paid into it for a life time like we did.

This is really sad to see......
/>
/> Social Security Change For 2008
/>
/> The United States Senate voted to extend Social
/> Security Benefits to Illegal Aliens beginning in
/> 2008.
/>
/> The following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed,there was no voting representative.
/>
/> Alaska: Stevens (R)
/>
/> Arizona : McCain (R)*****************************
/>
/> Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
/>
/> California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
/>
/> Colorado : Salazar (D)
/>
/> Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
/>
/> Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)
/>
/> Florida : Martinez (R)
/>
/> Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
/>
/> Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D) ***********************
/>
/> Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
/>
/> Iowa : Harkin (D)
/>
/> Kansas : Brownback (R)*********************
/>
/> Louisiana : Landrieu (D)
/>
/> Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
/>
/> Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
/>
/> Montana : Baucus (D)
/>
/> Nebraska : Hagel (R)
/>
/> Nevada : Reid (D)
/>
/> New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
/>
/> New Mexico : Bingaman (D)
/>
/> New York : Clinton (D) ****************************
Schumer (D)
/>
/> North Dakota : Dorgan (D)
/>
/> Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
/>
/> Oregon : Wyden (D)
/>
/> Pennsylvania : Specter (R)
/>
/> Rhode Island : Chafee (R) Reed (D)
/>
/> South Carolina : Graham (R)
/>
/> South Dakota : Johnson (D)
/>
/> Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
/>
/> Washington : Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
/>
/> West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
/>
/> Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

>>What McCain and 10 other Senate Republicans voted against was an effort to strip illegal aliens of a right they currently have: to apply the taxes they paid and the time they worked while in the country illegally as credit toward future Social Security benefits if and when they become citizens or legal residents.<<

source: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_whoppers_of_2007.html