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Conveyor Belt
12-31-2007, 09:16 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html
ow, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

What? Are you kidding me? What do they want? Next they'll be saying that the copy on my MP3 player has to be different than the copy on my computer... or did they say that already? After all, it is a 'copy'. A copy is a copy in my opinion. You can't say one copy is legal and one is illegal.

The article has it right. People are looking out for smaller labels and better music so they don't have to put up with the big record company hassle.

ComputerDude
12-31-2007, 09:25 AM
The RIAA has gotten out of control and this is just another example of their witch hunt gone wild antics. Usually when consumers fight them, they end up winning (The consumer, not the RIAA) I can't imagine any judge siding with the RIAA on this one. It is legal to make backups of stuff you legally purchased. It just about always has been.

dollfus46
12-31-2007, 09:32 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html


What? Are you kidding me? What do they want? Next they'll be saying that the copy on my MP3 player has to be different than the copy on my computer... or did they say that already? After all, it is a 'copy'. A copy is a copy in my opinion. You can't say one copy is legal and one is illegal.

The article has it right. People are looking out for smaller labels and better music so they don't have to put up with the big record company hassle.

That's nuts. What you have is a copy to begin with. Not like you have the original. It's time to start shooting the bastards.:kekeke: This world is getting crazier and crazier. I'd like to just dial back time and collect fireflys in a jar again. Play kick the can. Lie in the grass and watch for falling stars.:smt086

pEtAl mIsFiT
12-31-2007, 09:39 AM
that is a bunch of bull. So I can buy a cd but not load it up to itunes? What a crock of crap...

wilebill
12-31-2007, 11:57 AM
I think they're over-reaching on this one too. Everything I've ever read says it's okay for you to make a copy of your legally purchased media, no matter what format it is, as long as it's for your own personal use. I think ripping software has weathered those challenges before because the argument has been as long as people use it for for their own use, it's legal.

If the RIAA wins this one, there will be major turmoil in the software industry.

Remington
12-31-2007, 01:38 PM
Well, I'll be very guilty if the judge sides with that. I had several hundred CDs and ripped them to my computer and made MP3 discs of just the songs I wanted to play with WinAmp on my computer or through my stereo. When playing music on my computer, I don't want to continually be taking CDs in and out when I can just rip them into the computer and randomly play songs from a song list that I created from my CDs. And as soon as I get my new truck with a plug in for an Ipod, I'll download my songs into the Ipod and play them through the stereo. I guess they're saying I can't do that. I think Ipod should join the fight against that. If the judge were to back RIAA, then Ipod would be out of business.

You know, if they make it that much trouble to listen to CDs, then everyone will just listen to internet radio and not worry with the hassle, or just break the law.

ComputerDude
12-31-2007, 02:01 PM
You know, if they make it that much trouble to listen to CDs, then everyone will just listen to internet radio and not worry with the hassle, or just break the law.
They're biting the hand that feeds them now. The whole reason behind why the RIAA started doing this was to combat illegal downloads. If they start going after those who actually PAID for their CD's they'll just start illegally downloading music.
I would also think the makers of personal MP3 players (Apple, Microsoft..etc) would step in on this one, considering moving music files from CD's to the PC then onto the device is the main way their units are getting used.