Obama `08

[firefly]

Maybe vicariously ISN`T good enough for John Kerry. Maybe he is backing B O in hopes of a V P nod. Do ya think???!:smt118:ohnoes:

[dollfus46]

Do ya think???!:smt118:ohnoes:

I wish he would select Lurch for his VP. This country isn't that far left. That'd be the dems death knell. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.:smt118

[SueScribe]

Maybe vicariously ISN`T good enough for John Kerry. Maybe he is backing B O in hopes of a V P nod.

Do ya think???!:smt118:ohnoes:

I wish he would select Lurch for his VP. This country isn't that far left. That'd be the dems death knell. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.:smt118

I knew it, I knew it . . . we're in an MH Full Moon, alright . . .:smt107

Or, perhaps there is a less-lunar explanation. It's the FRIDAY FRENZIES !:smt026

[SueScribe]

Bump

[SueScribe]

The latest Time magazine poll shows, in a head-head match between John McCain and Barack Obama that Obama would win the presidency by 8 points over Mcain, which is within the margin of error.

Today Senator Obama won the Maine Democratic caucus.

(P. S. Maine's Caucasian population is 97.1 percent White; .6 percent Black)

John Edwards is meeting tomorrow with Obama. Edwards' delegates would put him within a whisper of securing the Democratic nomination.

"Let the word go forth, from this time and place. . ." (John F. Kennedy, January 1961) . . .

That the torch is about to be passed to a new generation of Americans.

(And not one moment too soon.)

[jmb]

If Obama's name were John Paul Smith, would people feel differently about him? :smt102

[Luvia]

If Obama's name were John Paul Smith, would people feel differently about him? :smt102


No...his political stances would still blow, and I still wouldnt' vote for him.

[SueScribe]

If Obama's name were John Paul Smith, would people feel differently about him? :smt102

Which people? His detractors? Nah. He'd have to lighten up several shades for it to matter to them what his name was, which is supported by data that dates back to 1864. The only hope is that those who care what race this amazing young man is, is slowly, surely either dying off or becoming irrelevant, as the young, educated, color-blind and patriotic Americans - the New Hope - have seen the future by looking at the present and the past, and have realized that this great nation is theirs to reclaim, renew, and save, for themselves and their posterity.

[jmb]

*snip*The only hope is that those who care what race this amazing young man is, is slowly, surely either dying off or becoming irrelevant, as the young, educated, color-blind and patriotic Americans - the New Hope - have seen the future by looking at the present and the past, and have realized that this great nation is theirs to reclaim, renew, and save, for themselves and their posterity.

Evidently this is happening or he wouldn't be bringing in the numbers he is.

[Conveyor Belt]

If Obama's name were John Paul Smith, would people feel differently about him? :smt102

he'd have MORE supporters than he does with the name Obama. It puts some off to begin with and they stop listening at the sound of his name.

[SueScribe]

he'd have MORE supporters than he does with the name Obama. It puts some off to begin with and they stop listening at the sound of his name.

Please, enlighten us with your reasoned conclusion that "some" stop listening at the sound of his name.

[Luvia]

Aren't you needed over in the Jowls/Ears/Cult-Crying Crowd, darlin? :smt118


Are you serious? Because I disagree with Obama's stances and answered jmb's question you groaned me? That is funny. Hope you feel better now.

I don't hate the guy. I don't disagree 100% with the guy. I just disagree with him on certain important issues on a fundamental level.

So darlin me all you like, but I'm allowed to research and form and voice my opinions, as are you.

I don't understand when people get angry when someone doesn't agree with them. No need for hostility here--there's no sense in that.

[SueScribe]

Are you serious? Because I disagree with Obama's stances and answered jmb's question you groaned me? That is funny. Hope you feel better now.

I don't hate the guy. I don't disagree 100% with the guy. I just disagree with him on certain important issues on a fundamental level.

So darlin me all you like, but I'm allowed to research and form and voice my opinions, as are you.

I don't understand when people get angry when someone doesn't agree with them. No need for hostility here--there's no sense in that.

I'm not angry with you, darlin'. In fact, tell us which of the Senator's stances you don't like? Which "fundamental issues"? Has your research revealed something significant? It would be helpful to know. Lord only knows . . I don't want to vote for him if I'm blinded by the right. . .ah . . . light.

[Conveyor Belt]

Please, enlighten us with your reasoned conclusion that "some" stop listening at the sound of his name.

Well, Suzy dear, many are convinced that Obama is a secret muslim. I don't think they would think that if his name were John Smith. They won't listen to the guy at all b/c they think he's muslim.... so, that's my reasoned conclusion. Take it for what it's worth.

[SueScribe]

Well, Suzy dear, many are convinced that Obama is a secret muslim. I don't think they would think that if his name were John Smith. They won't listen to the guy at all b/c they think he's muslim.... so, that's my reasoned conclusion. Take it for what it's worth.

Let me get this perfectly straight:

You are saying that, for instance, someone named Bubba Bob Bixby could NOT be a "secret muslim'??

Many are convinced he's a secret muslim, are they? Do you have any idea how many of that number also believe in the tooth fairy, or that the 1969 Moon landing was staged on Soundstage No. 3 in Tinseltown??

. . . take it for what it's worth . . . well . . . okay, then. Next time you're snatched by aliens and tormented with probes, try to take a camera with you.:smt040

[amanda]

I think a step back needs to be taken. No more personal insults by anyone. If you want to debate the issues, do so. But no more insults or I'm going to put this thread in time-out for a while. Thanks.

[Luvia]

I'm not angry with you, darlin'. In fact, tell us which of the Senator's stances you don't like? Which "fundamental issues"? Has your research revealed something significant? It would be helpful to know. Lord only knows . . I don't want to vote for him if I'm blinded by the right. . .ah . . . light.

I will politely decline to engage in a discussion with someone who insists on being patronizing. That sort of attitude from some Obama supporters does nothing for his case, to be honest. It makes me sad, actually, that conversation is reduced to such.

Conveyor Belt...as for the name and the whole muslim myth. That is very frustrating. I was infuriated when that mass email landed in my inbox. I did have a lady last week ask me if he was really a muslim. *shakes head* I don't like his views on some things, but that bugs me even more--misinformation.

However, just because someone disagrees with Obama doesn't mean they hate the color of his skin. I disagree with Hillary too---that doesn't mean I hate white women. The religion of a candidate doesn't matter to me either...although I'm wary of anyone who is an extremist on any spectrum.

[CircusRide]

Obama offers nothing more than any of the other candidates with these exceptions:

1. He's black.
2. He's young.
3. He's the most liberal candidate in the race.
4. He's a member of a racist organization.

Now, which of those is his most glowing attribute?
Point out to me one thing positive about his term in congress. He voted against the war? Hell, you should just be happy he got off his a$$ and voted considering he was just "present" about 75% of the time. He's been living off the taxpayers for too long already. His wife is a loon too.

[SueScribe]

I think a step back needs to be taken. No more personal insults by anyone. If you want to debate the issues, do so. But no more insults or I'm going to put this thread in time-out for a while. Thanks.

Your point is well-taken.

I apologize to Luvia and Conveyor Belt for reacting in a juvenile, ignorant way.

Henceforth, in this thread, or any other where politics are the issue, I'll let the facts, the data, and my . . experience . . speak for themselves.

I'll tape a little sticky to my computer screen that says:

But for the Grace of God (and a few other things) .. there goes I.

[SoMissTV]

Good to have you back, Sue. It's a shame that you've been gone.

[SueScribe]

Good to have you back, Sue. It's a shame that you've been gone.

Thank you, very very much.:attack:

[SoMissTV]

Aw, shucks.

[amanda]

There are a LOT of us glad to have Sue back. :)

[SueScribe]

Obama offers nothing more than any of the other candidates with these exceptions:

1. He's black.
2. He's young.
3. He's the most liberal candidate in the race.
4. He's a member of a racist organization.

Now, which of those is his most glowing attribute?
Point out to me one thing positive about his term in congress. He voted against the war? Hell, you should just be happy he got off his a$$ and voted considering he was just "present" about 75% of the time. He's been living off the taxpayers for too long already. His wife is a loon too.

My apologies, but:

He was serving in the Illinois Senate when the vote on authorizing the use of military force (sometimes referred to as the "war vote") was taken.

These are the things that come to mind vis=a=vis his tenure in the United States Senate, and his current bid for the presidency:

1. He co-authored (with bi-partisan support) the most far-reaching ethics reform in legislative history;

2. His record of "reaching across the aisle" for bi-partisan support for the passage of the Minimum Wage;

3. He does not, nor has he ever, accepted PAC monies for his presidential bid - the only candidate who can claim that fact;

4. He has worked and is still working to reduce the power of Lobbyists on both houses of Congress, and pledges to make an end of those powers once he occupies the Executive Branch;

5. His undergraduate degree at Harvard was in International Affairs and he attained that degree cum laude;

6. He likewise graduated cum laude from Harvard Law, becoming the first African-American to be selected Editor of The Harvard Law Review;

7. I cannot speak to Mrs. Obama's mental health, but she, too, graduated from Harvard and Harvard Law.

8. Racist Organizations entirely depend upon your race.

[Remington]

I am completely opposite from obama in pretty much every catagory. But I won't support him because he's black or I think he might be a closet muslim??

[dreamhippy]

First, let me say good and informative post about Obama. But the Minimum wage increase, bi-partisan or not, is why the economy has slowed and many are out of work. This will ALWAYS follow a minimum-wage increase. (Bush was wanting something from the DEMS and caved on it when he should have vetoed it). RON PAUL doesn`t take PAC monies, EITHER. Apparently, there are at least two reasonably uncorrupted candidates running after all! :) Too bad only one of them will get media coverage or a fighting chance, and part of that, right or wrong, has to do with political affiliation. I am glad to hear that Barack is well educated in Harvard as opposed to Yale. WHEW! We have already endured 7 years of Yale man!

[mspolitics82]

(P. S. Maine's Caucasian population is 97.1 percent White; .6 percent Black)

Huuuh? :smt102

[dreamhippy]

You know, Black Irish....:)

[dollfus46]

My apologies, but:

He was serving in the Illinois Senate when the vote on authorizing the use of military force (sometimes referred to as the "war vote") was taken.

These are the things that come to mind vis=a=vis his tenure in the United States Senate, and his current bid for the presidency:

1. He co-authored (with bi-partisan support) the most far-reaching ethics reform in legislative history;

2. His record of "reaching across the aisle" for bi-partisan support for the passage of the Minimum Wage;

3. He does not, nor has he ever, accepted PAC monies for his presidential bid - the only candidate who can claim that fact;

4. He has worked and is still working to reduce the power of Lobbyists on both houses of Congress, and pledges to make an end of those powers once he occupies the Executive Branch;

5. His undergraduate degree at Harvard was in International Affairs and he attained that degree cum laude;

6. He likewise graduated cum laude from Harvard Law, becoming the first African-American to be selected Editor of The Harvard Law Review;

7. I cannot speak to Mrs. Obama's mental health, but she, too, graduated from Harvard and Harvard Law.

8. Racist Organizations entirely depend upon your race.

I don't see much here. Really, if these are his qualifications, this is rather pathetic. McCain is better than this, particularly with regard to co-sponsoring legislation with Dems and reaching across isles. How do you reach across the aisle to pass legislation your party implements? Seems the Repugnicans had to reach across the aisle to get that passed. and you know as well as I do, that's puff for the voters. It kills the golden goose. Hillary is more qualified too, but not by much. And no. 8 went over my head. I just don't see it. Do you mean like the Rainbow Coalition? Or Rev. Al's group. If he has one. I'm not sure how he makes his money. We all know about Jesse.

[dollfus46]

Here is Obama's voting record, when he voted: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/

[CircusRide]

My apologies, but:

He was serving in the Illinois Senate when the vote on authorizing the use of military force (sometimes referred to as the "war vote") was taken.

These are the things that come to mind vis=a=vis his tenure in the United States Senate, and his current bid for the presidency:

1. He co-authored (with bi-partisan support) the most far-reaching ethics reform in legislative history;

2. His record of "reaching across the aisle" for bi-partisan support for the passage of the Minimum Wage;

3. He does not, nor has he ever, accepted PAC monies for his presidential bid - the only candidate who can claim that fact;

4. He has worked and is still working to reduce the power of Lobbyists on both houses of Congress, and pledges to make an end of those powers once he occupies the Executive Branch;

5. His undergraduate degree at Harvard was in International Affairs and he attained that degree cum laude;

6. He likewise graduated cum laude from Harvard Law, becoming the first African-American to be selected Editor of The Harvard Law Review;

7. I cannot speak to Mrs. Obama's mental health, but she, too, graduated from Harvard and Harvard Law.

8. Racist Organizations entirely depend upon your race.


Hmm, seems you're putting the most emphasis on his education. Where did Bush finish school? I couldn't care less about his education at Harvard. How many other US Presidents had an Ivy League education? (I bet you probably know that without looking it up- and I love you for stuff like that).
You're completely incorrect about the race remark. Racism is racism regardless of the color of ones skin. That's a fact! Have you even looked at the church website? But it is amusing that some want to disregard this issue. It's going to come full circle once the final two candidates are decided. If he were a white candidate, he'd already be ripped for it.
Minimum wage? Honestly, every demi pushes for a minimum wage increase. It's one of their cornerstones.
Now, if you really want to see how he feels about lobbyists, go take a look at the energy bill he voted for. Then tell me who's pocket HE's in..

[nooskye]

he got a grammy last night :smt103


http://www6.comcast.net/music/articles/2008/02/11/Grammys.Obama/

[SueScribe]

First, let me say good and informative post about Obama. But the Minimum wage increase, bi-partisan or not, is why the economy has slowed and many are out of work.

The reason(s) the economy has slowed - strike that - tanked, has much more to do with the devaluation of the U. S. Dollar against all foreign currency, primarily because of our record deficit spending and borrowing money to cover that spending for expensive things like war(s). (The U. S. was just taken down a notch on the credit worthiness/solvency rating - for the first time in history).

China holds a mortgage on this country, and its economy. If it called in the debt? Start digging that garden spot now, and look for the best deal you can find on a large, 4-room tent.

The DOW is dropping, once again, because even Wall Street can add and subtract, and realize that PE ratios are untenable, given the tanking economy, the dollar's continued free fall, and that consumers - overloaded in debt, can't spend money they aren't earning and cannot earn, all the while their homes (the single biggest asset one can own) are declining in value and a very large percentage of them are being foreclosed upon - also at an historic high.

Workers are out of work not because some poor schmo at Wal-Hell got a forced-upon-the-meglomanical corporate giant whose "cradle to the grave" employee pay package just suffered a dent in its shareholder value. American workers are not losing their jobs because of a paltry minimum wage increase (an old GOP tralking point, by the way), BUT because corporations are shipping every job they possibly can overseas, earning tax breaks as they do so, where it is much cheaper to pay a starving East Indian in Bombay or a Eurasian/Asian in Indonesia to answer your telephone calls about consumer questions regarding why your Chinese-manufactured computer won't boot-up, for instance.

Personally, I'm far more comfortable seeing the bloke at Wendy's getting a little pay raise to help their "ends meet", than seeing the top 10% of wage earners in this country get multi-million dollar tax breaks they don't need, because their ends are meeting like a SOB.

I am glad to hear that Barack is well educated in Harvard as opposed to Yale. WHEW! We have already endured 7 years of Yale man!

Yes, indeedy, and a Yale Cheerleader, ta' boot.

[dollfus46]

he got a grammy last night :smt103


http://www6.comcast.net/music/articles/2008/02/11/Grammys.Obama/

:bowrofl::bowrofl:That's so transparent it's embarrassing.:oops:

[SueScribe]

Where did Bush finish school?

At Murphy's School of Business and International Law, given his remarkable record.

Have you even looked at the church website? But it is amusing that some want to disregard this issue.

No, I'll confess that I haven't looked at the church website. I choose to disregard that issue on Constitutional grounds. Besides. I'm too busy watching Kenneth Copeland Ministries, among other God Wants You To Be Filthy Rich (but..me first) televangelists facing Federal indictments on fraud and potential racketeering charges, all the while They Like Mike.

(I like Mike, too. He plays a mean bass guitar!)

[SueScribe]

Here is Obama's voting record, when he voted: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/

And, to be fair, the following is a link to the entirety of Senator McCain's voting record. I tried to include the entire thing in this post, but my computer said "Are You Nutz? Not Enough Memory!" :

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?person=300071

Note the "No votes", please, for this year alone, and then pull up last year, and the years before - if your computer can handle all those giamegabytes thingies.

[SueScribe]

:bowrofl::bowrofl:That's so transparent it's embarrassing.:oops:

Lookit, Doff. Just because Dubya not only doesn't read books, but couldn't write one and narrate it (would take too much time, too many takes), don't mean you oughta be nasty about someone who did, and can.

[dollfus46]

The reason(s) the economy has slowed - strike that - tanked, has much more to do with the devaluation of the U. S. Dollar against all foreign currency, primarily because of our record deficit spending and borrowing money to cover that spending for expensive things like war(s). (The U. S. was just taken down a notch on the credit worthiness/solvency rating - for the first time in history).
Really? War causes deficits. Only one President in our lifetime didn't run a deficit. And he balanced the budget with a Republican Senate/Congress. still had debt out the wahzoo.
What caused the ecomomy to "tank" 8 years ago at this time?


China holds a mortgage on this country, and its economy. If it called in the debt? Start digging that garden spot now, and look for the best deal you can find on a large, 4-room tent.
You're not blaming Bush for that are you? I did my part at Christmas, and continue to do so by refusing to buy anything made in China.

The DOW is dropping, once again, because even Wall Street can add and subtract, and realize that PE ratios are untenable, given the tanking economy, the dollar's continued free fall, and that consumers - overloaded in debt, can't spend money they aren't earning and cannot earn, all the while their homes (the single biggest asset one can own) are declining in value and a very large percentage of them are being foreclosed upon - also at an historic high.
What goes up has always come down sooner or later. Profits from the stock market have been so good because of confidence in America that Hillary wants to tax windfall profits from it.:bowrofl: Or is that Pelosi? Who are you going to give the credit to for record highs in the stock market? Or are you just going blame Bush?

Workers are out of work not because some poor schmo at Wal-Hell got a forced-upon-the-meglomanical corporate giant whose "cradle to the grave" employee pay package just suffered a dent in its shareholder value. American workers are not losing their jobs because of a paltry minimum wage increase (an old GOP tralking point, by the way), BUT because corporations are shipping every job they possibly can overseas, earning tax breaks as they do so, where it is much cheaper to pay a starving East Indian in Bombay or a Eurasian/Asian in Indonesia to answer your telephone calls about consumer questions regarding why your Chinese-manufactured computer won't boot-up, for instance.
Sounds like life to me. Stuff happens. Everyday can't be rosy. Bush didn't start this World Economy crap. Clinton did. I lost my business because of NAFTA and everything I had. I didn't run around blaming Clinton. I know unemployment under Bush was at historical lows. I know that minimum wage increases costs jobs. I know it only helps China. I know wage increases come straight off the bottom line profit and to maintain that profit margin, companies have to raise prices, so the net result is zero. That's just for the bigger companies that can stay in business. Small companies lay off workers to maintain profits or shut down.

Personally, I'm far more comfortable seeing the bloke at Wendy's getting a little pay raise to help their "ends meet", than seeing the top 10% of wage earners in this country get multi-million dollar tax breaks they don't need, because their ends are meeting like a SOB.

I have to ask, when is enough enough? They are already paying about 90% of the taxes now. But I'd love to see a flat tax off gross income.

[hendrixfreak70]

Actually Bush Sr. started NAFTA and his friend Bill Clinton helped get it passed. Kinda like the welfare reform that started under Kennedy that got passed by the socialist Johnson.

[CircusRide]

At Murphy's School of Business and International Law, given his remarkable record.



No, I'll confess that I haven't looked at the church website. I choose to disregard that issue on Constitutional grounds. Besides. I'm too busy watching Kenneth Copeland Ministries, among other God Wants You To Be Filthy Rich (but..me first) televangelists facing Federal indictments on fraud and potential racketeering charges, all the while They Like Mike.

(I like Mike, too. He plays a mean bass guitar!)

I love you Sue! You're the coolest liberal I know via the internet!

[Conveyor Belt]

At Murphy's School of Business and International Law, given his remarkable record.



Wasn't it Yale?

[Conveyor Belt]

Personally, I'm far more comfortable seeing the bloke at Wendy's getting a little pay raise to help their "ends meet", than seeing the top 10% of wage earners in this country get multi-million dollar tax breaks they don't need, because their ends are meeting like a SOB.

No one at Wendy's was making min wage. They may be now that min wage has gone up, but you can't hire and retain employees paying them min wage.

The people who got the raise were union employees who's salaries are based on a mathmatical formula using the min wage. So, you gave the guy making $25 on the line making cars a raise. Nice work.

[CircusRide]

Obama's wife is on Larry King tonight if any of you want to watch. She reminds me of Amirosa (sp?) from Trump's show.

[dollfus46]

If Obama's name were John Paul Smith, would people feel differently about him? :smt102
I don't see why they would. He's still the same guy. If his name was Colin Powell, he'd be a shoo-in for President.:clap:

[dollfus46]

Which people? His detractors? Nah. He'd have to lighten up several shades for it to matter to them what his name was, which is supported by data that dates back to 1864. The only hope is that those who care what race this amazing young man is, is slowly, surely either dying off or becoming irrelevant, as the young, educated, color-blind and patriotic Americans - the New Hope - have seen the future by looking at the present and the past, and have realized that this great nation is theirs to reclaim, renew, and save, for themselves and their posterity.

That's rather caustic, Sue. If I'm not his biggest "detractor", I will continue to strive to be. But I resent you throwing in color. Has nothing to do with his color. He's as far left as I am right and neither is good for this country. You're the one who keeps focusing on his color, not me. Not anyone here that I know of. There are more who would vote for him because he is black. Is that okay? Sounds as racist to me as the converse. Time to put the race card back in your purse, Sue. It ain't working here. By the way, I am educated too. I'm also patriotic. I just disagree with his politics as you disagree with Duncan Hunter's or Tancredo's, or Huckabee's. Why not leave it there?
And I will remember that we agree on being color-blind. We do agree on something.

[SueScribe]

Wasn't it Yale?

What??? The Locksmith Company?? Nooo kiddin' !! Well. That explains a lot. Indeed.:-D

No one at Wendy's was making min wage. They may be now that min wage has gone up, but you can't hire and retain employees paying them min wage.

The people who got the raise were union employees who's salaries are based on a mathmatical formula using the min wage. So, you gave the guy making $25 on the line making cars a raise. Nice work.

As a former card-carrying Union Guy, I say - Hip-Hip-Hooooooray. But, this thing about Wendy's not paying minimum wage . . how so?

I don't see why they would. He's still the same guy. If his name was Colin Powell, he'd be a shoo-in for President.:clap:

Doff, grab your crotch and hold on: Yesterday, on a CNN Interview, the General quoted the qualities he was looking for in a presidential candidate and the stunned, quick-on-his-feet-to-read-between-the-presidential-qualities line Interview Dude sputtered "Are you saying that you, as a Republican might . . .", to which the General demurred by saying that "Yes, [he] was a Republican, but. . . he'd voted Democratic before."

If that won't draw your drawers into a knot, tell me, what will?:smt118

[SueScribe]

:ohnoes: . . . wait a minute . . . could this mean that Colin Powell could be a *gasp* . . secret muslim? See what I meant about that name business not necessarily being a sure-fired tip-off????!!!

[SueScribe]

. . .I just disagree with his politics as you disagree with Duncan Hunter's or . . .. Why not leave it there?

Never-ever will I "leave it there". Dunkin Donuts my a$$. I KNOW Krispy Kreme is FAR tastier, air-puffed, sugared and melt-in-your-mouth better!!

[dollfus46]

What??? The Locksmith Company?? Nooo kiddin' !! Well. That explains a lot. Indeed.:-D



As a former card-carrying Union Guy, I say - Hip-Hip-Hooooooray. But, this thing about Wendy's not paying minimum wage . . how so?



Doff, grab your crotch and hold on: Yesterday, on a CNN Interview, the General quoted the qualities he was looking for in a presidential candidate and the stunned, quick-on-his-feet-to-read-between-the-presidential-qualities line Interview Dude sputtered "Are you saying that you, as a Republican might . . .", to which the General demurred by saying that "Yes, [he] was a Republican, but. . . he'd voted Democratic before."

If that won't draw your drawers into a knot, tell me, what will?:smt118
I know all about Powell. He voted for Carter. What's your point? I'm reading "Soldier" now. The life of Colin Powell. He probably would have attacked Afghanistan and not gone into Iraq. Again, what's your point. He wouldn't have committed troops to wherever it was Clinton sent troops. He thought that was stupid. He wouldn't send troops to Darfur either. I have no problem with any of it.

[dollfus46]

Never-ever will I "leave it there". Dunkin Donuts my a$$. I KNOW Krispy Kreme is FAR tastier, air-puffed, sugared and melt-in-your-mouth better!!

I'm with you on Krispy Kreme. Get 'um hot and they really do melt in your mouth like cotton candy. Yummo!:smt023

[Conveyor Belt]

As a former card-carrying Union Guy, I say - Hip-Hip-Hooooooray. But, this thing about Wendy's not paying minimum wage . . how so?


As a former restaurateur, I can tell you that Wendy's does not pay min wage. They pay above min wage, sometimes in the neighborhood of several dollars above min wage.

You know how many people in the country make min wage? Rough estimates before the hike were around 500,000... most of them being under the age of 21.

Min wage hikes are a 'feel good' measure that cost everyone money, increase inflation and don't pull the poor out of poverty.

[dollfus46]

As a former restaurateur, I can tell you that Wendy's does not pay min wage. They pay above min wage, sometimes in the neighborhood of several dollars above min wage.

You know how many people in the country make min wage? Rough estimates before the hike were around 500,000... most of them being under the age of 21.

Min wage hikes are a 'feel good' measure that cost everyone money, increase inflation and don't pull the poor out of poverty.
Yep. I'd bet more than half of the 500,000 being paid min. wage are part-time after school students.

[SueScribe]

As a former restaurateur, I can tell you that Wendy's does not pay min wage. They pay above min wage, sometimes in the neighborhood of several dollars above min wage.

You know how many people in the country make min wage? Rough estimates before the hike were around 500,000... most of them being under the age of 21.

Min wage hikes are a 'feel good' measure that cost everyone money, increase inflation and don't pull the poor out of poverty.

Well. The students need all the help they can get, even if it is from Wendy's, because the Federal Government sure the he!! ain't helping them.

You say Wendy's pays dollars above minimum wage?? Are you "in" with any of the managers? Where do I fill out my application? Do you have to go from store to store, or can you just mail in your resume'?? (Additional Information You Feel Relevent To Your Employment: Yessirs! I been flippin' burgers for years and years, and I can speak fluent English, even over a loudspeaker.") If Kevin Spacy can do it ("American Beauty"), why . . , , SO can I !!

Yep. I'd bet more than half of the 500,000 being paid min. wage are part-time after school students.

God Bless their little hearts. And all the while wondering: Where am I going to get a job when this school thing is over, and will it pay minimum wage?

[Conveyor Belt]

It's easy to be generous with other people's money.

[SueScribe]

What "other people"??

[dollfus46]

Well, Obama Yo Mama has shown his cards. He's going to keep spending $9 billion/yr over here instead of on the war. Sounds like he's not all that hot on getting rid of the deficit. People only hear he's going to give them money. Yea!! He said, McCain "wants to keep spending $9 billion/yr for 100 years on the war when we can be spending it over here." We call that "lying b*****d" where I come from. Where I come from, it's cornbread and chicken.:bowrofl: When it gets to one on one with McCain a lot will come out people haven't seen nor heard yet from the good Senator from Il. What I find amusing is at that point we'll be hearing more attacks on McCain coming from Conservatives than liberals. McCain is liberal too.:smt118

[SueScribe]

Well, Obama Yo Mama has shown his cards. He's going to keep spending $9 billion/yr over here instead of on the war.

Well, good. Did he specifically say anything about fixin' our railroad tracks?

[dollfus46]

Well, good. Did he specifically say anything about fixin' our railroad tracks?
No but if he'll promise to stop subsidizing them and build all tracks over cities with the money, he has my vote. Strike that. He has my attention.:kekeke:

[SueScribe]

No but if he'll promise to stop subsidizing them and build all tracks over cities with the money, he has my vote. Strike that. He has my attention.:kekeke:

Doff, the Federal Government stopped "subsidizing" freight railroading many many years ago, when it became evident that Conrail (a consolidation of minor, struggling-against-the Big Roads) proved a miserable, expensive failure.

The ONLY Federal subsidies currently being doled out by the Feds is for Amtrak, and that dole-out diminishes each time the Budget comes out. Passenger rail service, through major corridors, is expected to soon vanish.

For a better understanding of our nation's railroads, see, for instance:

http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/268

The U. S. Department of Transportation and the controlling Federal Railroad Administration are decent references/guides to the reality of today's railroads.

[CircusRide]

I'm enjoying this. Everyone please continue!

How many of you really think we don't have a GREAT option and will be settling at the polls in Novermber?

[Conveyor Belt]

I'm enjoying this. Everyone please continue!

How many of you really think we don't have a GREAT option and will be settling at the polls in Novermber?

I think if you're a liberal democrat, you're loving it.

Me, I donno. There isn't a conservative left that I can vote for.

[SueScribe]

I'm enjoying this. Everyone please continue!

How many of you really think we don't have a GREAT option and will be settling at the polls in Novermber?

It's what makes us all Amuricans, absolutely !! We may disagree on political philosophy, religious (or un) philosophy, but - by crackie, bring it on and see what we do !!

By the way, there is an interesting piece on the CBS News site about the "next" terrorist threat. Ah'll be back in a sec.

[SueScribe]

I think if you're a liberal democrat, you're loving it.

I'm loving it and I am FAR from being a "liberal Democrat".

Me, I donno. There isn't a conservative left that I can vote for.

What happened?? Did McCain drop out or something???

On to the face of the next terrorist attack/threat:

Al Qaeda's New Face Of Terror: American?

Top Counter-Terrorism Official At FBI Tells CBS News Next Attack On U.S. Could Be Carried Out By Americans


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/11/eveningnews/main3819364.shtml

Quoting in part:

"They've realized that if they want to operate successfully, they need to have people who look like us, act like us, and are very difficult to find," said Philip Mudd, a top counter-terrorism official at the FBI."

. . .

"The purpose of the recruitment is to train people in weapons of mass destruction and then get them back into the United States," said Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

Understanding al Qaeda's new tactics offers a first line of defense. But the real security challenge, at the airport or the border, may be finding the terrorists - if they look like us."

Well. So much for that forty-foot Mexico Border Fence.

[CircusRide]

Anybody catch Osama's errrr Obama's wife on LK last night?

[dollfus46]

Anybody catch Osama's errrr Obama's wife on LK last night?
Why? is she on the lam?:bowrofl:

[SueScribe]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

In a trio of primaries variously called "The Chesapeake Primaries", "The Potomoc Primaries," "The Beltway Primaries", and (my personal favorite) "The Crabcake Primaries", the result in the Democratic side of that trifecta resembled more of a Crabcake Cotillion than anything historically known as a "primary."

Barack Obama emerged as Belle of The Ball, Mike Huckabee won Mr. Congeniality, and John McCain exited the ballroom with his dance card half-full.

Early exit polling revealed stunning numbers for Senator Obama: he overtook Senator Clinton in virtually all categories: White Males, Young Voters, Women Voters and - in the Commonwealth of Virginia a record 25% of "first-time voters" voted Democratic, followed by 8 percent of registered Republicans. The margin between Obama and Clinton, in Virginia alone, was more than 30%.

Meantime, Mike Huckabee held his own against McCain in Virginia with a respectable 43% of the vote (at last count), and garnered 400+ votes in the District of Columbia against McCain's 3,000 or so - for a grand total in the GOP Primary of around 4,000 votes cast.

The best, of course, came last:

Obama's speech, delivered to a packed, roaring on its feet, capacity crowd at a sports arena of a University of Wisconsin campus rally, was immediately followed up on MSNBC by Senator McCain's "victory speech", which seemed to be delivered in the Recreation Hall on Bingo Night at Shady Acres Retirement Village. The comparison was stark enough to inspire Chris Matthews, of all people who might ever say such a thing, to blurt out "I tell you, when I heard [Obama] tonight, a tingle ran up my leg." Co-Host Keith Obermann was, for once, speechless.

When, no longer "if", Barack Obama faces John McCain in the general election this Fall, the generational divide will be the widest in presidential election history: McCain will be 73 and Obama will reach his 47th birthday on Election Day - November 4.

So, my Fellow Americans:

Good Night, and Good Luck, and

YES! We Can ! We CAN reclaim and renew this great nation of ours.

Sue

[CircusRide]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

In a trio of primaries variously called "The Chesapeake Primaries", "The Potomoc Primaries," "The Beltway Primaries", and (my personal favorite) "The Crabcake Primaries", the result in the Democratic side of that trifecta resembled more of a Crabcake Cotillion than anything historically known as a "primary."

Barack Obama emerged as Belle of The Ball, Mike Huckabee won Mr. Congeniality, and John McCain exited the ballroom with his dance card half-full.

Early exit polling revealed stunning numbers for Senator Obama: he overtook Senator Clinton in virtually all categories: White Males, Young Voters, Women Voters and - in the Commonwealth of Virginia a record 25% of "first-time voters" voted Democratic, followed by 8 percent of registered Republicans. The margin between Obama and Clinton, in Virginia alone, was more than 30%.

Meantime, Mike Huckabee held his own against McCain in Virginia with a respectable 43% of the vote (at last count), and garnered 400+ votes in the District of Columbia against McCain's 3,000 or so - for a grand total in the GOP Primary of around 4,000 votes cast.

The best, of course, came last:

Obama's speech, delivered to a packed, roaring on its feet, capacity crowd at a sports arena of a University of Wisconsin campus rally, was immediately followed up on MSNBC by Senator McCain's "victory speech", which seemed to be delivered in the Recreation Hall on Bingo Night at Shady Acres Retirement Village. The comparison was stark enough to inspire Chris Matthews, of all people who might ever say such a thing, to blurt out "I tell you, when I heard [Obama] tonight, a tingle ran up my leg." Co-Host Keith Obermann was, for once, speechless.

When, no longer "if", Barack Obama faces John McCain in the general election this Fall, the generational divide will be the widest in presidential election history: McCain will be 73 and Obama will reach his 47th birthday on Election Day - November 4.

So, my Fellow Americans:

Good Night, and Good Luck, and

YES! We Can ! We CAN reclaim and renew this great nation of ours.

Sue

Not with the two losers we'll have to choose from. I see great trouble in the future for this nation. Even worse than where we're currently at.
I think Obama will be the next president and his "change" will not be a good thing.
I will hope he proves me wrong.

[dollfus46]

Hussain Obama isn't going to win. Turnouts at the primary don't mean jack when it comes down to two people. The real "contest" has yet to begin. Let's not let them screw with our heads. I heard some of Hussain Obama's speech. The delivery was for applause. The content void of anything substantial. "Soaring prices and a slumping economy"? :roflwtf: You are either in a recession or you're not. Sure is easy create problems in peoples minds and blame the President for it. I thought things were going swimmingly until the Dems took control of the House and Senate.:confused:

[CircusRide]

uhhh ohh.......Obama's economic plan. Makes no sense.......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23148959


Democrat Barack Obama (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16438329/) said Wednesday that as president he would spend $210 billion to create jobs in construction and environmental industries


Environmental industries? How many jobs will global warming create? How quickly will those jobs be lost because global warming is a bunch of hogwash? You can't pin your economic hopes on global warming jobs. Plus, he voted for the energy bill that is basically just the opposite of his "idea" for economic turnaround. FLIP FLOPPER


Obama explained that the money for his spending proposals will come from ending the Iraq war, cutting tax breaks for corporations, taxing carbon pollution and raising taxes on high income earners.


Ok, the money for his idea is going to come from ending the war. Well, there's more unemployment when those military and military related jobs end.
He's going to cut tax breaks for corporations too! Well, there goes more jobs because the companies have to make up for the difference in those lost tax breaks.
Not to mention that will likely increase health insurance costs to cover those loses as well. Heck, that may end health coverage for many. But, socialized medicine will fix that! Same goes for taxing carbon pollution. There goes more jobs. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID


Obama pointedly did not include one of his biggest applause lines, that he would require vehicle manufacturers to raise fuel economy standards.



Uhhh, congress just signed legislation for this but he's going to take credit for it? 2020, their fleets must avg. 35 mpg. Already done.
I told you, his change is not a good thing!

[onlyme]

Environmental industries? How many jobs will global warming create?

The environment does not only pertain to global warming.

[CircusRide]

The environment does not only pertain to global warming.

If you read the article that's what his ideas are partaining to for the most part. I'll give you the oil alternatives though.

[dollfus46]

The way to create jobs is to cut taxes and not raise minimum wages for starters. If history repeats itself you'll see the Hillary and Obama promising every group they speak before, everything they want. Start tallying the total expendures and you'll be stunned. My four favorite democratic candidates did it and spent themselves out of the White House before they ever got to the front door. People woke up and thought, "where is all this money coming from?" That did it.

[Luvia]

I listened to his speech as well. I got irate at the $4000 tuition credit though, and I think I missed some of it screaming at the TV. He said that each person could get $4000 each semester, but you'd have to work it off doing volunteer work (homeless shelter, veteran's home, etc...). He said for the country to invest in us, we'd have to invest in it. *wipes a tear*

Now this sounds great when you don't think about it, I guess. Sounds very patriotic, etc.

I just tried to imagine...if my tuition had been paid for (I took out student loans to pay my way)...would I have had time to work in a soup kitchen? I'm not sure if he meant during or after college...but either way...would I have had time?

No way! I still had bills to pay. After college...I had those same bills (rent/mortgage, car, insurance, etc). What a joke! I went year round to school--full time--and worked a regular job all through college, sometimes 12 hr days and sometimes til 11pm just to get through. Not for tuition, but just to live on. Could I have fit in another responsibility? Doubt it.

I started my "real" job the day I graduated USM, and sadly usually have some secondary job on the side to help pay bills.

Anyway, I thought that was an asinine idea.

[dollfus46]

I listened to his speech as well. I got irate at the $4000 tuition credit though, and I think I missed some of it screaming at the TV. He said that each person could get $4000 each semester, but you'd have to work it off doing volunteer work (homeless shelter, veteran's home, etc...). He said for the country to invest in us, we'd have to invest in it. *wipes a tear*

Now this sounds great when you don't think about it, I guess. Sounds very patriotic, etc.

I just tried to imagine...if my tuition had been paid for (I took out student loans to pay my way)...would I have had time to work in a soup kitchen? I'm not sure if he meant during or after college...but either way...would I have had time?

No way! I still had bills to pay. After college...I had those same bills (rent/mortgage, car, insurance, etc). What a joke! I went year round to school--full time--and worked a regular job all through college, sometimes 12 hr days and sometimes til 11pm just to get through. Not for tuition, but just to live on. Could I have fit in another responsibility? Doubt it.

I started my "real" job the day I graduated USM, and sadly usually have some secondary job on the side to help pay bills.

Anyway, I thought that was an asinine idea.
There you go. You gotta think through this bile. Okay, he's spend 3 billion for something he said the other day, plus $4,000/semester times the number of college students in the country. And that's just so far.Volunteers don't get paid anyway, so that's on the backs of the tax payers, many of whom volunteer out the wazoo anyway, like me.:smt023

[dollfus46]

I've found that if you want a college education badly enough, you'll find a way, like three of my classmates and Luvnlife did. I'm trying to put my child through. I shouldn't have to put someone else's child through. College is not a right nor a guarantee. Frankly we could put more Americans through college if we didn't open our classrooms to the entire world. An American child should have those seats.

[SueScribe]

The way to create jobs is to cut taxes and not raise minimum wages for starters. . . .

Doff, your economic stimulus package sounds like "Voodoo Economics" (George Herbert Walker Bush, re: Reagan's "trickle-down" plan).

Let me ask you one simple question:

If we completely abolish the IRS, no one pays taxes except the working poor, and we wage wars on multiple fronts, and we want to drive our vehicles on decent highways and not have the bridges we cross collapse beneath us, or believe we don't need taxes to pay for any of those things, tell me:

WHERE is the money coming from?

Why is it that the contemporary Republican mindset seems to be you can wage war like bats outta hell and pay for them with . . what? Food Stamps? Sooner or later, China is going to say "No" when we ask for more money to fund things our tax cuts for the wealthy have made impossible to finance.

People woke up and thought, "where is all this money coming from?" That did it.

I don't know the people of whom you speak, but the answer is simple:

The money is coming from foreign loans to us, primarly China, which, if it called in the debt today? We wouldn't need a president, or a congress. Nobody wants to work for nothing, especially when the Chinese are making chop suey in the Oval Office.

I listened to his speech as well. I got irate at the $4000 tuition credit though, and I think I missed some of it screaming at the TV. I started my "real" job the day I graduated USM, and sadly usually have some secondary job on the side to help pay bills.

And, you think that's the American Way - to graduate from college and hold a 'secondary job' to help pay bills?

*sigh* If only you had been a college grad in the Fifties, Sixties, even the Seventies. *sigh*

.

[SueScribe]

Dear God:

Look down on us tonight and . .

Amen.

You know what, folks?

You've been down so long it looks like UP to you.

Sue

[dollfus46]

Doff, your economic stimulus package sounds like "Voodoo Economics" (George Herbert Walker Bush, re: Reagan's "trickle-down" plan).

Let me ask you one simple question:

If we completely abolish the IRS, no one pays taxes except the working poor, and we wage wars on multiple fronts, and we want to drive our vehicles on decent highways and not have the bridges we cross collapse beneath us, or believe we don't need taxes to pay for any of those things, tell me:

WHERE is the money coming from?

Why is it that the contemporary Republican mindset seems to be you can wage war like bats outta hell and pay for them with . . what? Food Stamps? Sooner or later, China is going to say "No" when we ask for more money to fund things our tax cuts for the wealthy have made impossible to finance.
If you really think this is an honest legitimate question, I can't give you an answer you'll be happy with. This is an asinine question and assumption. Why can't you just state your position without trying to make others' opinion appear stupid? It gets tiresome.


I don't know the people of whom you speak, but the answer is simple:


Whom I speak are the democrats who voted against Udall, Mondale, McGovern and Humphrey. Four democrats that Obama and Hillary both sound just like.

The money is coming from foreign loans to us, primarly China, which, if it called in the debt today? We wouldn't need a president, or a congress. Nobody wants to work for nothing, especially when the Chinese are making chop suey in the Oval Office.
I think the Democrats have the inside track on Chinese money in the White House. Clinton fans in particularly.



And, you think that's the American Way - to graduate from college and hold a 'secondary job' to help pay bills?

Sounds good to me. She had choices. Sounds like the great American endeavor to a "T". It took backbone, sacrifice and cajones to do what she did and frankly I think she'll look back and be proud of herself for doing it. Do you think a college degree guarantees you anything but a certificate of completion? That somehow you're entitled to a degree, a certain salary, job security? There are more people running around with college degrees today that can't spell. I saved and paid for my son's college education. You can pay for college on the co-op plan. Work a semester, go to school a semester. Or You can borrow the money and pay it back, like a house or a car. Or you can skip it and go to work out of high school and attend college at night. Or you can enlist and get your college education free. Lot's of choices.

*sigh* If only you had been a college grad in the Fifties, Sixties, even the Seventies. *sigh*

.
What was the difference then and now?

[dreamhippy]

I'm loving it and I am FAR from being a "liberal Democrat".



What happened?? Did McCain drop out or something???

On to the face of the next terrorist attack/threat:

Al Qaeda's New Face Of Terror: American?

Top Counter-Terrorism Official At FBI Tells CBS News Next Attack On U.S. Could Be Carried Out By Americans


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/11/eveningnews/main3819364.shtml

Quoting in part:

"They've realized that if they want to operate successfully, they need to have people who look like us, act like us, and are very difficult to find," said Philip Mudd, a top counter-terrorism official at the FBI."

. . .

"The purpose of the recruitment is to train people in weapons of mass destruction and then get them back into the United States," said Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

Understanding al Qaeda's new tactics offers a first line of defense. But the real security challenge, at the airport or the border, may be finding the terrorists - if they look like us."

Well. So much for that forty-foot Mexico Border Fence.


And the real purpose in this and related scary scenarios is to further the War On Civil Rights here in this country. Ten years ago people would have raised the devil about the flippin` Patriot Act, and would still be raising the devil over the flippin` FISA spying on Americans bull hockey. Now the Homeland Security GESTAPO will want to bother me because God forbid, I look like I belong here.

[Luvia]

And, you think that's the American Way - to graduate from college and hold a 'secondary job' to help pay bills?

Teacher's salary--does that explain it? That's a whole other issue on it's own right there. This was years ago, before they raised the minimum starting salary.

Dollfus is right--I am proud of that accomplishment and hard work. It was the American dream--I came from an extremely poor family. Very poor. I made it through undergrad and grad all on my own, and so did my siblings and even my mother, eventually. I'm proud that nothing was given to me, but I never expected to have anything given to me... A sense of entitlement makes for very ugly human beings.
I did have lots of choices...and I think/hope I made the right ones--every year my life and quality of life improves.

Interesting tidbit--the bill to fully fund education (includes teacher salaries) was voted on 95 to 26. Guess what party affiliation voted against fully funding? It starts with a D. I'm not anti-democrat or anything like that. I've voted for both parties in different elections. I did find that fact interesting though...that every person who voted against this was a democrat (and one was involved in that dumb obesity bill).

[SueScribe]

1) END the War in Iraq - NOW. Bring all American Troops and personnel OUT and do it now. Meltdown in the Middle East, one might say, if that happens? So? Let it be. If that doesn’t kick-start alternative energy research and development, nothing will.

2) REPEAL the Bush Tax Cut for the wealthy and do the opposite: INCREASE THE TAX TOLL ON THEM and INCREASE tax cuts for Americans earning incomes of $200,000 or less - based on gross income.

3) REPEAL "The Patriot Act" and restore FISA to its proper, legal, status.

4) INVEST a large part of the savings from War Mongering into Education and REPEAL the worthless, counter-productive, counter-educational "No Child Left Behind" Act. Pay schoolteachers a salary worthy of their National service and invest in our schools, restore music, art, literature and learning - and STOP "Teaching to the Test" for Federal dollars;

5) INVEST in research and development of alternative energy sources in a BIG way;

6) ABOLISH special interest lobbying on OUR Congress;

7) DROP the idea of border fences and, instead, FINE every employer, whether private individuals employing cheap nannies and gardeners, to corporations, LLCs, PCS, and anyone and everyone caught with an illegal Mexican (or other nationality) working on their premises on their payroll - $10,000 per illegal for the first offense, and $20,000 for the second offense; and (using the old "three-strike rule") JAIL them, from the top - for SIX months in a maximum security prison where they may mingle with the worst of the worst. THAT should address the "illegal immigration" problem.

8) Put the BRAKES on HMOs, Insurance and pharmaceutical giants and REGULATE the he!! out of them. If Government can freeze wages it can freeze the Healthcare Industry;

9) REPEAL NAFTA;

10) Re-write every trade agreement to prevent foreign imports from nations who are filling Wal-Mart, et al., with their wares while at the same time under-cutting our currency and stealing our technology; SET worker standards and pay standards in those countries which make it unfeasible to attempt to pull a "fast one" on us;

11) END college funding of anyone BUT American citizens;

12) Make "Welfare to Work" - "WORK for Welfare";

13) ABOLISH Medicaid (other than for children) and pass the savings on to employers so that THEY might help working welfare-recipients purchase their OWN insurance;

14) ESTABLISH National Day Care so that there will be NO excuse for healthy, competent Welfare mothers to get OFF their a$$ and either enroll in a technical college to help them become employed AND/OR establish tax incentives for employers who hire these people;

15) ESTABLISH a realistic Child Support Enforcement Act that will NOT have a three-strike rule, i.e. you don’t pay child support? You go to jail until you do, whether it’s for a week or ten years. Underemployed to avoid Child Support? You go to jail.

16) MAKE college affordable, and not an after-graduation burden for those students whose SATs or family income, or both, ENTITLE them to a chance at the American dream without having to do what so do - work two jobs to make ends meet AND pay off staggering tuition loans (like Luvia) that benefit no one MORE than the lenders.

17) For jobs that have disappeared from our nation because of the evolution of technology - machine for man - provide assistance to those hard-working Americans who, through no fault of their own, lost their good-paying jobs;

18) END tax breaks for corporations that ship jobs and plants overseas and, in fact - FINE THEM for same - make the disincentive a REAL disincentive.

19) GIVE no-interest loans, training, and all other kinds of "foot-up" assistance to all who want to take a shot at becoming their OWN boss, own their OWN business;

20) ENACT legislation premised upon the British parliamentary system that allows a "Vote Of No Confidence" for every elected federal official who FAIL to live up to the oath of their office and PERFORM for the American people.

I have more, but my left hand is beginning to throb. (I’m back trying to type with two hands again.)

Any questions from the floor will be answered as soon as I can recover from this pain.

Sue

P. S. to Doff: I'm going to ignore your "tiresome" remark and chalk it up to your being tired.

[SueScribe]

If you really think this is an honest legitimate question, I can't give you an answer you'll be happy with. This is an asinine question and assumption. Why can't you just state your position without trying to make others' opinion appear stupid? It gets tiresome.

SEE my position, above.

[Remington]

21) ENABLE every American to earn at least $200,000 a year.

[dollfus46]

1) END the War in Iraq - NOW. Bring all American Troops and personnel OUT and do it now. Meltdown in the Middle East, one might say, if that happens? So? Let it be. If that doesn’t kick-start alternative energy research and development, nothing will.

2) REPEAL the Bush Tax Cut for the wealthy and do the opposite: INCREASE THE TAX TOLL ON THEM and INCREASE tax cuts for Americans earning incomes of $200,000 or less - based on gross income.

3) REPEAL "The Patriot Act" and restore FISA to its proper, legal, status.

4) INVEST a large part of the savings from War Mongering into Education and REPEAL the worthless, counter-productive, counter-educational "No Child Left Behind" Act. Pay schoolteachers a salary worthy of their National service and invest in our schools, restore music, art, literature and learning - and STOP "Teaching to the Test" for Federal dollars;

5) INVEST in research and development of alternative energy sources in a BIG way;

6) ABOLISH special interest lobbying on OUR Congress;

7) DROP the idea of border fences and, instead, FINE every employer, whether private individuals employing cheap nannies and gardeners, to corporations, LLCs, PCS, and anyone and everyone caught with an illegal Mexican (or other nationality) working on their premises on their payroll - $10,000 per illegal for the first offense, and $20,000 for the second offense; and (using the old "three-strike rule") JAIL them, from the top - for SIX months in a maximum security prison where they may mingle with the worst of the worst. THAT should address the "illegal immigration" problem.

8) Put the BRAKES on HMOs, Insurance and pharmaceutical giants and REGULATE the he!! out of them. If Government can freeze wages it can freeze the Healthcare Industry;

9) REPEAL NAFTA;

10) Re-write every trade agreement to prevent foreign imports from nations who are filling Wal-Mart, et al., with their wares while at the same time under-cutting our currency and stealing our technology; SET worker standards and pay standards in those countries which make it unfeasible to attempt to pull a "fast one" on us;

11) END college funding of anyone BUT American citizens;

12) Make "Welfare to Work" - "WORK for Welfare";

13) ABOLISH Medicaid (other than for children) and pass the savings on to employers so that THEY might help working welfare-recipients purchase their OWN insurance;

14) ESTABLISH National Day Care so that there will be NO excuse for healthy, competent Welfare mothers to get OFF their a$$ and either enroll in a technical college to help them become employed AND/OR establish tax incentives for employers who hire these people;

15) ESTABLISH a realistic Child Support Enforcement Act that will NOT have a three-strike rule, i.e. you don’t pay child support? You go to jail until you do, whether it’s for a week or ten years. Underemployed to avoid Child Support? You go to jail.

16) MAKE college affordable, and not an after-graduation burden for those students whose SATs or family income, or both, ENTITLE them to a chance at the American dream without having to do what so do - work two jobs to make ends meet AND pay off staggering tuition loans (like Luvia) that benefit no one MORE than the lenders.

17) For jobs that have disappeared from our nation because of the evolution of technology - machine for man - provide assistance to those hard-working Americans who, through no fault of their own, lost their good-paying jobs;

18) END tax breaks for corporations that ship jobs and plants overseas and, in fact - FINE THEM for same - make the disincentive a REAL disincentive.

19) GIVE no-interest loans, training, and all other kinds of "foot-up" assistance to all who want to take a shot at becoming their OWN boss, own their OWN business;

20) ENACT legislation premised upon the British parliamentary system that allows a "Vote Of No Confidence" for every elected federal official who FAIL to live up to the oath of their office and PERFORM for the American people.

I have more, but my left hand is beginning to throb. (I’m back trying to type with two hands again.)

Any questions from the floor will be answered as soon as I can recover from this pain.

Sue

P. S. to Doff: I'm going to ignore your "tiresome" remark and chalk it up to your being tired.

OH MY GOD!! Sue and I agree on more than half this stuff. I'm stunned. Who'da thunk it? Thank you Sue. That, my dear lady, was terrific. We sharply disagree on #'s 1,8,14,16 & 17. That's only 25%. We agree in part or in whole on 75%. And the ones we disagree in part on, there is wiggle room to come to a healthy compromise. I will march on Washington with you on #'s 5,6,9,11,12,15, & 18. I'd have lost everything I owned if I'd bet on this. The rest I'd love to talk about, because I have questions in my own mind on some of them and agree more than disagree on them. I think that's pretty eye-popping. One ATTA BOY, GIRL for Sue.:clap: Could we drop antagonistic words like "war mongering?":-D

[jkspatty]

Sue For President!!!!!!!

[SueScribe]

OH MY GOD!! Sue and I agree on more than half this stuff. I'm stunned. Who'da thunk it? Thank you Sue. That, my dear lady, was terrific. We sharply disagree on #'s 1,8,14,16 & 17. That's only 25%. We agree in part or in whole on 75%. And the ones we disagree in part on, there is wiggle room to come to a healthy compromise. I will march on Washington with you on #'s 5,6,9,11,12,15, & 18. I'd have lost everything I owned if I'd bet on this. The rest I'd love to talk about, because I have questions in my own mind on some of them and agree more than disagree on them. I think that's pretty eye-popping. One ATTA BOY, GIRL for Sue.:clap:
:smt049 See. I told you I weren't one'o them "liberal" Democrats.:lovers:

Could we drop antagonistic words like "war mongering?":-D

Yeath.

:bhug:

[SueScribe]

Sue For President!!!!!!!

:smt053 I humbly accept the nomination of My Hattiesburg Party . . let the celebration commence, and ON to . . ah . . Petal !!:alchoholic:

[dollfus46]

:smt053 I humbly accept the nomination of My Hattiesburg Party . . let the celebration commence, and ON to . . ah . . Petal !!:alchoholic:

Petal ain't no whar neer ready for you, Sue.:bowrofl:

[CircusRide]

D@mn, Sue's a moderate!

[dollfus46]

D@mn, Sue's a moderate!

Let's not jump to conclusions. She wouldn't have made me roll up my sleeves and given her blood by the quart for a year if she was a "moderate." But she's not nearly as far left as I am right. So I'm worried about me now.:ohnoes:

[SueScribe]

HOT OFF THE PRESS:

Rupert Murdoch's Balls Street Journal is spreading propaganda about the legitimacy of certain attendees at Obama rallies 'fainting'. Just musing about the possibilities, mind you, in a paper that once relied upon FACT over "possibilities", and legtimacy over rag-mag editorials.

Damn good thing the Balls Street Journal wasn't around when Oral Roberts was going around the countryside healing people, or when Jesus walked on water.

"The Journal has learned that there is a fable making the circuits about a Jew traipsing around the Dead Sea, shoeless . . ."

[mspolitics82]

That's rather caustic, Sue. If I'm not his biggest "detractor", I will continue to strive to be. But I resent you throwing in color. Has nothing to do with his color. He's as far left as I am right and neither is good for this country. You're the one who keeps focusing on his color, not me. Not anyone here that I know of. There are more who would vote for him because he is black. Is that okay? Sounds as racist to me as the converse. Time to put the race card back in your purse, Sue. It ain't working here. By the way, I am educated too. I'm also patriotic. I just disagree with his politics as you disagree with Duncan Hunter's or Tancredo's, or Huckabee's. Why not leave it there?
And I will remember that we agree on being color-blind. We do agree on something.

Very, VERY well said Dollfus. I am so sick and tired of the race card being played in just about every instance nowadays...even in illegal immigration---a situation that has NOTHING, hear me? NOTHING...to do with race.

If people were so serious about getting rid of racism, for starters they would advocate LOUDLY to do away with the NAACP, Miss Black America, the United Negro College Fund, Black History Month, and on and on and on and on. If anyone tried to start the caucasion version of these, there would be riots in the streets in the least. Sure, I know racism has more to do than with just the black vs. white races, but since Obama is black, then, obviously, this is the particular race card in play in this particular case.

Truth is, we all know it...there will ALWAYS be racism, because there will always be people who keep "stirring the pot" over any issue they can think of, such as an election. There will always be racism as long as there are racist organizations---- black, white, and any others.

The Clintons are right on this issue....this is an election about race...and anyone who denies it is really naive or ridiculously ignorant of reality. It has been proven in just about every primary in the South.....look at the percentage of blacks who have cast their vote for Obama vs. Hillary.

The issue is not Obama's name so much as it is his race...bottom line....and I do not think anyone in their right mind can logically argue it. I would like to read their rebuttal.

Dollfus....I will carry it one step further ....changing Obama's name really, IMO, is not the issue. BUT, BUT...if Obama still had the same name, but he was Chinese, or Greek, or French, or Caucasion.....I sincerely believe his words and his charisma would not mean nearly as much to most black voters.....(and I did say "most"---coz I know that not all black voters support Obama) ....but, if Obama were another race, I think Hillary would likely be their candidate of choice. Call that racist if you like......doesn't bother me a bit....coz I really think it is the truth.

[dollfus46]

HOT OFF THE PRESS:

Rupert Murdoch's Balls Street Journal is spreading propaganda about the legitimacy of certain attendees at Obama rallies 'fainting'. Just musing about the possibilities, mind you, in a paper that once relied upon FACT over "possibilities", and legtimacy over rag-mag editorials.

Damn good thing the Balls Street Journal wasn't around when Oral Roberts was going around the countryside healing people, or when Jesus walked on water.

"The Journal has learned that there is a fable making the circuits about a Jew traipsing around the Dead Sea, shoeless . . ."

That could be Shoeless Joe Jackson. Nah.........Shoeless Joe wasn't a Jew.

[dollfus46]

HOT OFF THE PRESS:

Rupert Murdoch's Balls Street Journal is spreading propaganda about the legitimacy of certain attendees at Obama rallies 'fainting'. Just musing about the possibilities, mind you, in a paper that once relied upon FACT over "possibilities", and legtimacy over rag-mag editorials.

Damn good thing the Balls Street Journal wasn't around when Oral Roberts was going around the countryside healing people, or when Jesus walked on water.

"The Journal has learned that there is a fable making the circuits about a Jew traipsing around the Dead Sea, shoeless . . ."
Heh heh heh. That's funny. I don't read the Wall Skreet Journal. It intimidates me. All the wealthy and the brilliant read it, so I just assume I won't understand it.:smt086

[hendrixfreak70]

Sounds like Sue and I agree on most of the stuff too.

However, I propose no government intervention in anything (almost anything). As the years have gone on the government has expanded. Permeating into everything we do. Raising us from cradle to grave. It has bred incompetence and laziness. What's the incentive to work if everything is taken care for you?

Get rid of the federal income tax. It was and still is a socialist/communist idea.

Definitely repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, get us out of the UN and WTO. We are America. We are not the world. Let US be sovereign for a change.

NCLB allows for military recruiters in middle schools to essentially seek out future recruits. Scary.

Patriot Act allows for unlimiting spying it seems.

Military Commissions Act allows for the writ of habeus corpus to be stripped if the executive branch deems one a terrorist. That's all it takes folks.

Pull our damned troops out of the 130 countries they are in. This is a Republic not an Empire (sorry for stealing Pat Buchanan's book title.) Rome fell, Ottoman Empire fell, British Empire fell, all because they allowed for rampant immigration (in most cases illegal) and overextended themselves militarily. Do they not teach history anymore?

ABOLISH the damned Department of Homeland Security. Any conservative that sees this as a good idea needs to have their head examined. Talk about increasing government in size.

Allow for businesses to flourish without government intervention and at the same time allow for consumers to decide upon the course they take (that last part is for the liberals who claim businesses always exploit therefore the government has to be involved.)

Abolish the Federal Reserve. From an economic stance the Fed is killing us. They keep us as economic slaves by printing money out of thin air, controlling interest rates, running the fake money through banks and charging US interest on it. A sure suicidal course of action that we have already felt now. The dollar is really only worth 4 cents.

Tell Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to get jobs. They do more harm than good.

Turn Fox and CNN off because they have led people to believe in news that really is nothing but smokes and mirrors.

And as a Christian, I would ask that all the other Christians to pray for their families fervently. These times are scary.

[SueScribe]

Sounds like Sue and I agree on most of the stuff too.

However, I propose no government intervention in anything (almost anything). As the years have gone on the government has expanded. Permeating into everything we do. Raising us from cradle to grave. It has bred incompetence and laziness. What's the incentive to work if everything is taken care for you?

Get rid of the federal income tax. It was and still is a socialist/communist idea.

Definitely repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, get us out of the UN and WTO. We are America. We are not the world. Let US be sovereign for a change.

NCLB allows for military recruiters in middle schools to essentially seek out future recruits. Scary.

Patriot Act allows for unlimiting spying it seems.

Military Commissions Act allows for the writ of habeus corpus to be stripped if the executive branch deems one a terrorist. That's all it takes folks.

Pull our damned troops out of the 130 countries they are in. This is a Republic not an Empire (sorry for stealing Pat Buchanan's book title.) Rome fell, Ottoman Empire fell, British Empire fell, all because they allowed for rampant immigration (in most cases illegal) and overextended themselves militarily. Do they not teach history anymore?

ABOLISH the damned Department of Homeland Security. Any conservative that sees this as a good idea needs to have their head examined. Talk about increasing government in size.

Allow for businesses to flourish without government intervention and at the same time allow for consumers to decide upon the course they take (that last part is for the liberals who claim businesses always exploit therefore the government has to be involved.)

Abolish the Federal Reserve. From an economic stance the Fed is killing us. They keep us as economic slaves by printing money out of thin air, controlling interest rates, running the fake money through banks and charging US interest on it. A sure suicidal course of action that we have already felt now. The dollar is really only worth 4 cents.

Tell Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to get jobs. They do more harm than good.

Turn Fox and CNN off because they have led people to believe in news that really is nothing but smokes and mirrors.

And as a Christian, I would ask that all the other Christians to pray for their families fervently. These times are scary.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: *whistle* :icon_tram*whistle*:yourock: *stand on feet* :an1: *holler real loud* . . .*and then. .* :faintthud

[hendrixfreak70]

So, is that a good thing?? Lol.

[SueScribe]

:smt024 AP News Wire/ For Immediate Release: Wall Street Journal

It appears that on a website in the far reaches of southeast Mississippi, that an Obama supporter fainted at a questionable rant given by another such inbred ingrate, the typical Southerner whose family trees seldom branch. And these 'people' are further proof of the disintegration of our vaunted American Values that The Journal has pledged to track and report, whether in Racine or Roanoak or something called, aptly enough, "The Pine Belt". Look for future updates on this alarming trend in presidential politics.

Editorial contribued by R. Buttkiss, Journal Staff Writer

[SueScribe]

So, is that a good thing?? Lol.

It's almost as good as a left-handed guitarist playing with the strings in reverse, on stage in the middle of a wheat field in upstate NY. Almost.

:attack:

[hendrixfreak70]

Excuse me while I kiss the sky!