Obama `08

[fuzzis]

Like this is anything new? How in the hell do you think GWB got elected? I mean, really?

[Luvia]

Another quote from this article...


The Obama campaign is heavy on symbolism, and long on vague catch phrases like "new leadership," "new ideas," "a politics of hope," and "let's dream America again" calculated to appeal to millions of disaffected Americans without actually meaning much of anything. Corporate media actively bill Obama as "the candidate of hope," and anointed representative of the "Joshua generation." There are good reasons campaign placards at Obama rallies say "change we can believe in" instead of "stop the war --- vote Obama" or "repeal NAFTA - Barack in '08." The first set of messages are hopeful and vague. The second are popular demands among the voters Obama needs against which his past, present and future performance may be checked. When the comparison is made, the results are dismaying to many who want to support Barack Obama.

[SueScribe]

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become law since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate. . . .

THANK you so very much. :smt023 While Obama continues to gather momentum and magnetize a heretofore disinterested, jaded, and disenfranchized portion of this nation's "forgotten" and "disillusioned", the response from his detractors are expected, disingenuous and vacant.

THANK you for your wonderful, carefully-researched input.

Sue:clap:

[SueScribe]

[quote=IGID;437848]If any of this is true, he has all of you fooled.


his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing.

Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed?

And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today./quote]

1. His "Muslim" upbringing has been discredited by the likes of Tim Russert, The Clintons, EVEN a great many GOP'ers.

2. His middle name is "Hussein", not "Mohammed."

3. A "covert" worshiper (sic) of the Muslim faith, even today?

:bowrofl:

Scared witless, aren't cha? That's fine. When the man becomes the 44th President of the United States, you'll finally calm down.

[SueScribe]

P. S. Have you taken notice of his EARS ? I say he's from Vulcan.

[mspolitics82]

Plain and simple- He hasn't had to address his church, his poor voting record, his extremely liberal record, nor his support of an energy bill that basically gives in to big oil.

Exactly right.....and no matter what the Dems anywhere say, one day, if he gets the Dem nomination, he WILL have to address these issues....or at least one would expect that the Rep. nominee will force him, too. (But, with the craziness of this Pres. Campaign, so far, I guess the Republicans might give him a free ride----but I doubt it.) His lack of substance is going to have to change ---he is going to have to find substance----if he really expects to be President.

[mspolitics82]

In your blind dislike for the other candidates, you missed the part where McCain said he's closing the borders and no new taxes. But, he has to have Congress to do it. He can only veto. He can't bring up legislation, vote on it. Only sign or veto. That's why I say, pay more attention to your Congressmen and Senators

Hey Dollfus, we usually agree, and do with most of what you wrote here. However, a STRONG dislike for the other candidates does not always translate into a BLIND dislike....for me, the STRONG DISLIKE has come because my eyes and ears are wide open.

One of my main objections to McCain is that I cannot help but believe his new charge to close the border has come only as an effort to get Republ/conservatives who are tired of illegal immigration to come to his side on voting day, instead of staying at home or doing something different at the polls. And while, yes, indeed, Congress does pass legislation, we all clearly know how the Pres. can influence Congressmen---we have certainly seen that in Bush's attempt to "forgive" all the lawbreakers who have come here illegally to take jobs illegally from employers who illegally hire them.

Now, don't get me wrong, I will vote for the Republican candidate, because even McCain will be better than anybody the Dems. have to offer---you see, I am a true conservative, but I also believe in utilizing the PRIVILEGE TO VOTE, so I am not about to stay at home and give the Dems another vote that day----and while the border deeply concerns me from a national security issue as well as all the other issues of illegal immigration, my main concern in the election is choosing a president who will be fair and conservative in his Supreme Court appointments, and we are probably going to see two vacancies in the near future....I wish they would vacate NOW, before the new president takes office.

But concerning McCain's border policy, in my personal case, I am not blind nor deaf to what McCain has said----in the past AND since his bid for president began (which are two entirely different stands, as I know you are aware)....I just don't trust McCain's flip flop after a LONG, LONG, LONG consistent record of acting and voting otherwise.....he just seems way too disingenuous on that issue.

[mspolitics82]

Like this is anything new? How in the hell do you think GWB got elected? I mean, really?



Is this referring to the MEDIA "choosing their favorites". If so, do you really think the media chose BUSH either time over Democrats?

It really is not that difficult to understand that the only reason the media has gotten on the "McCain train" at all is to see him as the nominee instead of one that would have been more difficult to beat. Why else would a major media source (NYT) endorse McCain, and a few months later, publicly accuse him of marriage infidelity, without proof??? As was seen this week with the New York times, now that McCain seems to be the likely nominee, the media will drop McCain like a hot potato and concentrate all efforts in getting the Dem. elected....and in this case, they think---and have all along really---Obama will be harder for the Reps. to beat than Hillary.

[fuzzis]

Is this referring to the MEDIA "choosing their favorites". If so, do you really think the media chose BUSH either time over Clinton?


Since GWB didn't run against Clinton, yes. (he ran against Gore and Kerry so there was no "either time")

[dollfus46]

Hey Dollfus, we usually agree, and do with most of what you wrote here. However, a STRONG dislike for the other candidates does not always translate into a BLIND dislike....for me, the STRONG DISLIKE has come because my eyes and ears are wide open.

One of my main objections to McCain is that I cannot help but believe his new charge to close the border has come only as an effort to get Republ/conservatives who are tired of illegal immigration to come to his side on voting day, instead of staying at home or doing something different at the polls. And while, yes, indeed, Congress does pass legislation, we all clearly know how the Pres. can influence Congressmen---we have certainly seen that in Bush's attempt to "forgive" all the lawbreakers who have come here illegally to take jobs illegally from employers who illegally hire them.

Now, don't get me wrong, I will vote for the Republican candidate, because even McCain will be better than anybody the Dems. have to offer---you see, I am a true conservative, but I also believe in utilizing the PRIVILEGE TO VOTE, so I am not about to stay at home and give the Dems another vote that day----and while the border deeply concerns me from a national security issue as well as all the other issues of illegal immigration, my main concern in the election is choosing a president who will be fair and conservative in his Supreme Court appointments, and we are probably going to see two vacancies in the near future....I wish they would vacate NOW, before the new president takes office.

But concerning McCain's border policy, in my personal case, I am not blind nor deaf to what McCain has said----in the past AND since his bid for president began (which are two entirely different stands, as I know you are aware)....I just don't trust McCain's flip flop after a LONG, LONG, LONG consistent record of acting and voting otherwise.....he just seems way too disingenuous on that issue.

Well, we have a long way to go before Nov. All candidated lie about what they want to do, just to get a vote. They know it sounds good. They also know it'll never pass.:bowrofl: I want to see them wage war, enact health insurance for everybody, keep social security afloat and cut government spending. Rich people don't have that much money.:smt102 I still may write in Newt Gingrich unless McCain convinces me he's going to close the borders and win the war. Reading "Soldier" it's strange to me that G.W. went into Iraq. G.H.W. and Powell both believed that to wage war you had to 1. Use enough forces to do the job quickly and save American lives. (I think we failed that one initially) 2. Go in with one goal. Win. 3. Have the backing of the American people. G.W. failed on two of the three counts. That's why his dad did not attack Saddam after Kuwait. But remember, it was Bill Clinton's goal to dethrone Saddam, according to my book. I was not there.

[SueScribe]

. . . no matter what the Dems anywhere say, one day, if he gets the Dem nomination, he WILL have to address these issues....or at least one would expect that the Rep. nominee will force him, too.

Barack is locked and loaded for John McCain. Never fear, we'll get to the substantive issues, and the sooner, the better.

. . . Why else would a major media source (NYT) endorse McCain, and a few months later, publicly accuse him of marriage infidelity, without proof???

The New York Times doesn't play stupid, or allow articles like the McCain one to hit publication without something in reserve. I DO wish they'd left the innuendo about sleezy extramarital affairs out of the equation, but . .

Hear this: They would never have gone to the presses about McCain's dubious favors and ties to lobbyists without something in the desk drawer, a'la Woodward and Bernstein's take-down of Richard Nixon in the Watergate drama of the mid-1970s.

The Times has the goods. They're simply waiting for the right time, and, when it comes? John McCain's chances for the presidency, already teetering on the brink, will fall into the political abyss. He's running his mouth too much, taking questions from the press about his "ties and favors" to lobbyists (who, for the most part, are running his campaign, even as I type). I saw him give his "No", "No", short answers to direct questions from journalists about his lobbyist connections, past and present. That may come back to haunt him.

Sue

[dollfus46]

Barack is locked and loaded for John McCain. Never fear, we'll get to the substantive issues, and the sooner, the better.



The New York Times doesn't play stupid, or allow articles like the McCain one to hit publication without something in reserve. I DO wish they'd left the innuendo about sleezy extramarital affairs out of the equation, but . .:laugh:

Hear this: They would never have gone to the presses about McCain's dubious favors and ties to lobbyists without something in the desk drawer, a'la Woodward and Bernstein's take-down of Richard Nixon in the Watergate drama of the mid-1970s.

The Times has the goods. They're simply waiting for the right time, and, when it comes? John McCain's chances for the presidency, already teetering on the brink, will fall into the political abyss. He's running his mouth too much, taking questions from the press about his "ties and favors" to lobbyists (who, for the most part, are running his campaign, even as I type). I saw him give his "No", "No", short answers to direct questions from journalists about his lobbyist connections, past and present. That may come back to haunt him.

Sue

You are so full of yourself.:kekeke: Heh heh heh. Every politician has lobbyist connections. If Obama doesn't it's only because he can't be found in Washington long enough to get contacted. They New York Times hasn't got jack. They had backroom discussions about whether to put this article in the paper without the goods. If they had the goods they'd print it. News agencies don't chance being the second to report this stuff. It's only been 9 years anyway.
Short answers? "Did you nail Vicki Iseman?" "No, but let me elaborate on that. I did not have sexshul relations with that woman, Miss Iseman." :laugh:
They NYT is a disreputable far left rag that's losing readers, and profits by the fistful.

[SueScribe]

You are so full of yourself.:kekeke: Heh heh heh. Every politician has lobbyist connections. If Obama doesn't it's only because he can't be found in Washington long enough to get contacted.

His campaign isn't being run by corporate lobbyists, Doff, as is McCaint's.

He has pledged to end the influence of lobbying power on our government, and he'll either do so when's he elected, or he'll be a One Term Wonder, like "Read My Lips, No New (not to say we won't raise the old ones) Taxes" George Herbert Walker Bush. I understand McCain has verbally aped Bush I's "no new taxes" pledge, thinking, presumably, that the American people have memories about as long as Jumpin' Jack Flash.

The New York Times hasn't got jack. They had backroom discussions about whether to put this article in the paper without the goods.

Show me the source on that one. The piece was vetted and re-vetted and vetted again. This isn't The Star we're talking about here, but one of this country's oldest, most respected newspapers.

If they had the goods they'd print it. News agencies don't chance being the second to report this stuff. It's only been 9 years anyway.

They have the goods. The New Republic reported on some of the "goods" (sans the roll-in-the-hay blink-blink junk).

Ben Bradlee, Editor-in-Chief of The Washington Post in the Seventies, "sat on" plenty of "goods" before turning Woodward and Bernstein loose with their story. Bradlee had to KNOW before his paper went to print, story by story, bit by bit, until the final blow of Nixon's hammer came down.

The New York Times is no different. It's called "The Waiting Game." The Times can always claim "we ran it first", because they did. However, I believe we've seen the tip of this iceberg. Just the tip.

Watch for further developments as the next weeks ( or months ) move along.

[mspolitics82]

Barack is locked and loaded for John McCain. Never fear, we'll get to the substantive issues, and the sooner, the better.

We shall see. He had better be.....that is, of course, assuming that he does get the nomination, which he probably will, and that no surprises happen at the convention, which they probably won't.


The New York Times doesn't play stupid, or allow articles like the McCain one to hit publication without something in reserve. I DO wish they'd left the innuendo about sleezy extramarital affairs out of the equation, but . .


I agree...they do not play stupid--which reinforces my point about their plan to boost McCain and then drop him like a hot potato--- but it is not the first time they've played dirty, and won't be the last.


Hear this: They would never have gone to the presses about McCain's dubious favors and ties to lobbyists without something in the desk drawer, a'la Woodward and Bernstein's take-down of Richard Nixon in the Watergate drama of the mid-1970s. The Times has the goods. They're simply waiting for the right time, and, when it comes? John McCain's chances for the presidency, already teetering on the brink, will fall into the political abyss.

Again, my point reinforced about the mainstream media's major role in the election of a Democrat for President.

He's running his mouth too much, taking questions from the press about his "ties and favors" to lobbyists (who, for the most part, are running his campaign, even as I type). I saw him give his "No", "No", short answers to direct questions from journalists about his lobbyist connections, past and present. That may come back to haunt him.

Again, I agree with you. Geez, how scary is that ? ;) I am really not convinced that McCain has any answers that aren't basically short ones. He doesn't come across as the brightest political strategist in the fixture . But, keep in mind, I am not a McCain fan, but I am not blind either---he still gets my vote over either Democrat. Of course, I hope a major upheavel happens----McCain turncoats take over the Rep. Convention, Newt gets the Nomination, and America gets "Real Change"!!! Well, it does not hurt for a real Conservative to dream real big.

[dollfus46]

His campaign isn't being run by corporate lobbyists, Doff, as is McCaint's.
I'm positive you buzzed me pretty good for using "cutsey" (sic) names and yet you do it? Double standard?

He has pledged to end the influence of lobbying power on our government, and he'll either do so when's he elected, or he'll be a One Term Wonder, like "Read My Lips, No New (not to say we won't raise the old ones) Taxes" George Herbert Walker Bush. I understand McCain has verbally aped Bush I's "no new taxes" pledge, thinking, presumably, that the American people have memories about as long as Jumpin' Jack Flash.
You and I both know the Democrats tricked Bush into that as part of a "deal". Dems - You raise taxes, and we'll do thus and such. (I can't remember what the dems were to do for higher taxes) Bush fell for it. He should have known, but it was an effort to reach out to Dems and they hung him.



Show me the source on that one. The piece was vetted and re-vetted and vetted again. This isn't The Star we're talking about here, but one of this country's oldest, most respected newspapers.

:bowrofl::bowrofl: Not anymore. Not by a longshot.



They have the goods. The New Republic reported on some of the "goods" (sans the roll-in-the-hay blink-blink junk).

The New York Times is no different. It's called "The Waiting Game." The Times can always claim "we ran it first", because they did. However, I believe we've seen the tip of this iceberg. Just the tip.

Watch for further developments as the next weeks ( or months ) move along.
And you think this is something the paper should be proud of themselves for? Innuendos and such that destroy a family so they can elect our Presidents? You approve of this playing around with peoples lives by newspapers who should be reporting news. This makes the NYT one of the most respected newspapers in America? God help us then. Our morals are in the toilet.

[mspolitics82]

Since GWB didn't run against Clinton, yes. (he ran against Gore and Kerry so there was no "either time")

Thanks for correcting me....my fingers typed faster than my brain....the word Democrats should have been in the place of Clinton.

[dreamhippy]

I think the Democrats ran Hillary along with Barack, just so that Barack would get the anti-Hillary vote. I believe that the media has greatly pushed McCain over other Republicans, knowing that the GOP core would not get behind him. Now,

[dreamhippy]

I think the Democrats ran Hillary along with Barack, just so that Barack would get the anti-Hillary vote. I believe that the media has greatly pushed McCain over other Republicans, knowing that the GOP core would not get behind him. Now, if everything goes according to plan, they will get the Communist President that they arranged to get in the first place. They simply divide and conquer the easily misled public. I do not care for their manipulation and it will please the heck out of me when it falls short of a victory for them. I do not care for them manipulating things. I am still praying for that brokered convention and a Ron Paul presidency. THAT would teach them! :)

[SueScribe]

. . .Now, don't get me wrong, I will vote for the Republican candidate, because even McCain will be better than anybody the Dems. have to offer---you see, I am a true conservative . . .

A "true conservative" ??? So, you agree that this country should run on billions upon billions of (reaching a trillion) dollars in deficit spending? You think that government, as in under GWB's "watch" has ballooned into Jabba the Government Hut ? Is that what a "true conservative" believes in? How about government intrusion into private lives to the point of illegal wiretaps? That's "conservative" ?

My, my how the GOP has changed.

. . .but I also believe in . . . choosing a president who will be fair and conservative in his Supreme Court appointments, and we are probably going to see two vacancies in the near future....I wish they would vacate NOW, before the new president takes office.

:smt005 . . . deah lawd . . .

I agree...[The New York Times] do not play stupid--which reinforces my point about their plan to boost McCain and then drop him like a hot potato--- but it is not the first time they've played dirty, and won't be the last.

No, it ain't the first, and won't be the last. I recall some fairly SEARING editorials on Bill Clinton's zipper problems and his clever parsing of what the definition of "is" is days in office.

Again, my point reinforced about the mainstream media's major role in the election of a Democrat for President.

Here is where we party company. The "mainstream media" is interested in keeping us occupied in the Middle East. Now, which of the parties will do that for them?

There is no "vast left wing conspiracy". There is an incoherent "somewhat scattered right wing conspiracy", but the co-conspirators seem to be lacking the skills to find their a$$es with both hands at this juncture. And why is this? The majority of the American people are FED UP with all of them - media, politicians, and their obsessiive/compulsive fixation on sex, lies and videotape.

I'm positive you buzzed me pretty good for using "cutsey" (sic) names and yet you do it? Double standard?

Doff ? Bite me. :smt023

I think the Democrats ran Hillary along with Barack, just so that Barack would get the anti-Hillary vote. I believe that the media has greatly pushed McCain over other Republicans, knowing that the GOP core would not get behind him. Now,

Now, there's a conspiracy for ya'. Carville? Where are ya' baby?

[SueScribe]

NEWS FLASH:

Sue Scribe has signed up to Bring Out The Vote for Barack Obama in Mississippi.

And she will not go out into that ungentle good night/day unarmed. And she will not canvas the local neighborhoods, either. Just to be safe. She will make speeches in Black churches and canvas / call upon the Black Community (and a few select White folk), but Sue ain't no idiot, at least not THAT big of an idiot . . .

[mspolitics82]

NEWS FLASH:

Sue Scribe has signed up to Bring Out The Vote for Barack Obama in Mississippi.

And she will not go out into that ungentle good night/day unarmed. And she will not canvas the local neighborhoods, either. Just to be safe. She will make speeches in Black churches and canvas / call upon the Black Community (and a few select White folk), but Sue ain't no idiot, at least not THAT big of an idiot . . .


Surprise! Surprise!

[mspolitics82]

A "true conservative" ??? So, you agree that this country should run on billions upon billions of (reaching a trillion) dollars in deficit spending? You think that government, as in under GWB's "watch" has ballooned into Jabba the Government Hut ? Is that what a "true conservative" believes in? How about government intrusion into private lives to the point of illegal wiretaps? That's "conservative"

Who told you I believed those things? Is that what you think a true conservative believes? Just because I choose to vote for the Republican candidate over the Democrat does not mean I believe that recent or past policies of any Republican on any given issue are necessarily conservative ones. Because I am a true conservative, I am willing to take my chances on McCain, or whoever gets the Rep. nod over the 2 Dems who are notably the 2 most liberal members of the Senate.


Concerning your other comments....just way too far left for us to have conversation on a web forum.....too much one on one conversation needed there. And, with your new commitment to Barack Hussein, you probably aren't going to have time for us conservative peons, anyway.

[dollfus46]

A "true conservative" ??? So, you agree that this country should run on billions upon billions of (reaching a trillion) dollars in deficit spending? You think that government, as in under GWB's "watch" has ballooned into Jabba the Government Hut ? Is that what a "true conservative" believes in? How about government intrusion into private lives to the point of illegal wiretaps? That's "conservative" ?

My, my how the GOP has changed.
Surely you aren't blaming the Republicans for deficit spending?:bowrofl:

[SueScribe]

Surprise! Surprise!

Wanna join me? :clap:

Who told you I believed those things? Is that what you think a true conservative believes?

Last time I talked to one, yeah. That's what a 'true conservative' believes. AND, the last time I listened to Barry Goldwater - The Father Of True Conservatism, that's what HE believed.

Just because I choose to vote for the Republican candidate over the Democrat does not mean I believe that recent or past policies of any Republican on any given issue are necessarily conservative ones. Because I am a true conservative, I am willing to take my chances on McCain, or whoever gets the Rep. nod over the 2 Dems who are notably the 2 most liberal members of the Senate.

Concerning your other comments....just way too far left for us to have conversation on a web forum.....too much one on one conversation needed there. And, with your new commitment to Barack Hussein, you probably aren't going to have time for us conservative peons, anyway.

Describe for us, enlighten us with your definition of what YOU think (you) a "true conservative" is/means. Pul-ease.

"Barack Hussein" ?? :laugh: "2 most liberal members of the Senate" ? :laugh:

Every presidential election cycle there emerges a new "most liberal member of" (the Senate, the House, a statehouse Governor's mansion, the local Boy Scout Troop, etc. etc. ad nauseum). GOP simple-spin. That's as tired and jaded as "leftist ideologies" and "Marxist left-wingers" became in the `60s.

Surely you aren't blaming the Republicans for deficit spending?:bowrofl:

Damn skippy. Who would you blame? Bill Clinton left office with a projected budget surplus, the "deficit spending" of Ronald Reagan Gone Ga-Ga finally brought under control, and then? Along came Bush and his GOP-controlled Congress.

Yeah. I blame the Republicans, and SO do many, many Republicans.

[SueScribe]

And now - ON to Petal !! Door-to-Door, canvasing, calling, marshalling The Vote. . .

(I sold a young check-out clerk in Wal-Mart just the other day and told her to pass it around to her friends.)

Sue

[Remington]

Sue, if you believe that "true conservatives" believe in massive spending and huge government growth, then you are truly clueless.

[firefly]

[quote=SueScribe;477930]And now - ON to Petal !! Door-to-Door, canvasing, calling, marshalling The Vote. . .

(I sold a young check-out clerk in Wal-Mart just the other day and told her to pass it around to her friends.) Nothing personal, Sue, because I don't know you. But if you are campaigning for Obama, please do not come to my house... I don't care how his spin doctors spin things, but he is a Muslim raised in the Muslim faith, also his "church" if you could call it that has the mission statement of "Above all else ALLEGIANCE TO MOTHER AFRICA!" How in the world someone could vote for a Presidential candidate after that statement, I will never understand! I am stating my own opinion here , which I am entitled to do, just as you or anyone else on this board. I hope that people are adult enough not to groan me for it. I have read MANY things that I could have groaned, but I chose not to. Please take the high road.

[mspolitics82]

And now - ON to Petal !! Door-to-Door, canvasing, calling, marshalling The Vote. . .

Coming to Petal? Better wear your good, heavy, Democrat, protective body armor!!! :kekeke: While there are some, there aren't many of the "D" political persuasion on this side of the Leaf R. I found that out real quick when I moved here a few months ago.

(I sold a young check-out clerk in Wal-Mart just the other day and told her to pass it around to her friends.)

She was probably a "transplant". What did you do to convert her....I mean Barack Hussein hasn't really said exactly what he is going to do for America, yet, other than CHANGE it! :smt102 Did you tell her his ears aren't really as big as they look? Or maybe that he really is not a Muslim? I know---you slipped in the part about the free (cheap, quality) healthcare----gets 'em every time---more entitlements is just the answer !! (Just don't let her think that he is Mormon, or you will lose her vote immediately...take it from a Southern Baptist/ Romney supporter.)

[mspolitics82]

Describe for us, enlighten us with your definition of what YOU think (you) a "true conservative" is/means. Pul-ease.

I think the easiest way for me to put it, would be for you to jot down the things you believe politically, and then flip the coin to the opposite side.

[dollfus46]

I think the easiest way for me to put it, would be for you to jot down the things you believe politically, and then flip the coin to the opposite side.
I'll have to defend Sue here (cough, choke). She's very liberal on some things but amazingly conservative on some things too. We just don't seem to cover the subjects that she's conservative on, so she comes off as liberal. She just hates Bush with a purple passion. I've even come over to her side that we should never have invaded Iraq. Bad idea all around. But, now that we're there, Iraq has become the perverbial tar baby. We can't just pull out. We're stuck. Bush was stupid to get us involved in Iraq. I suggest you all read "Soldier". Eye opening and exciting book, once you get to about page 150.

[Fire Extinguisher]

So... what are you to do when you are neither a "true conservative" or "die hard liberal"? I agree with both platforms on some things.... neither one on all! Its a shame when you are forced to choose between what you consider the lesser of two evils.

Then the men and woman running... all saying what they will do and they cant do much without congress. True that some policies are set by their appointees but the major stuff comes form that big dome at the end of the mall.

Vote for Buggs Bunny?

[Fire Extinguisher]

I must add that, in the past, I have even gone on the single issue of the stand on pro-life...... but have even changed somewhat on that opinion... While I still detest abortions..... 100% illegal would be worse.....So I guess I say legal-safe-and few and far between.

What to do? What to do?

[dollfus46]

I must add that, in the past, I have even gone on the single issue of the stand on pro-life...... but have even changed somewhat on that opinion... While I still detest abortions..... 100% illegal would be worse.....So I guess I say legal-safe-and few and far between.

What to do? What to do?
I'm not sure any President can do anything about abortion. So it's a moot point. Indirectly he can appoint a Supreme Court Judge who is pro life, but he'll never get confirmed.

[fuzzis]

Nothing personal, Sue, because I don't know you. But if you are campaigning for Obama, please do not come to my house... I don't care how his spin doctors spin things, but he is a Muslim raised in the Muslim faith, also his "church" if you could call it that has the mission statement of "Above all else ALLEGIANCE TO MOTHER AFRICA!" How in the world someone could vote for a Presidential candidate after that statement, I will never understand! I am stating my own opinion here , which I am entitled to do, just as you or anyone else on this board. I hope that people are adult enough not to groan me for it. I have read MANY things that I could have groaned, but I chose not to. Please take the high road.

He's not a Muslim. The man has never been a Muslim. He was not raised in the Muslim faith.

It's one thing to have an opinion; it's another thing to repeat what has been proven to be lies. I'm pretty sure that as someone who professes to be a strong Christian, you know better...that whole "take the high road" thing of which you speak.

Object to Obama all you want, but make sure you're objecting based on *fact*...not rumor and innuendo. You'd want someone to do the same for you, wouldn't you?

[amanda]

He's not a Muslim. The man has never been a Muslim. He was not raised in the Muslim faith.

It's one thing to have an opinion; it's another thing to repeat what has been proven to be lies. I'm pretty sure that as someone who professes to be a strong Christian, you know better...that whole "take the high road" thing of which you speak.

Object to Obama all you want, but make sure you're objecting based on *fact*...not rumor and innuendo. You'd want someone to do the same for you, wouldn't you?

But Fuzzis, that wouldn't leave them much to really criticize then, would it? Oh, that's right his Church doesn't meet some of their standards either. That's okay though, they've got McCain. :laugh: He'll save the Republican party.

[Luvia]

I'm not sure any President can do anything about abortion. So it's a moot point. Indirectly he can appoint a Supreme Court Judge who is pro life, but he'll never get confirmed.

Thank you! That's what I think too...it won't be the prez who overturns Roe vs Wade.

[dollfus46]

Thank you! That's what I think too...it won't be the prez who overturns Roe vs Wade.
You're very welcome. Every once in a blue moon, I say something half smart.:bowrofl:

[jojobeans1120]

Hillary was just called out for mocking Obama on Sunday!!!
She looked VERY uncomfortable! WITCH!! :bowrofl::bowrofl:

[jojobeans1120]

I hope he totally SMOKES her on Tuesday! :kekeke:

[mspolitics82]

But Fuzzis, that wouldn't leave them much to really criticize then, would it? Oh, that's right his Church doesn't meet some of their standards either. That's okay though, they've got McCain. :laugh: He'll save the Republican party.


Amanda....had I not detected just a hint of sarcasm, I would have given you a lengthy paragraph or two. But, instead, I will just give you a quick reminder: not all Republicans embrace McCain...and certainly less think he is the Party's or the country's salvation....but we sure as heck ain't gonna vote for Hillary or Hussein.

Concerning his church....I will get back with you on that as soon as I find the source that I need to quote their pastor.

[jojobeans1120]

Obama was very professional and handled himself very well during last night's debate. They pressured him on the Farrakhan issue repeatedly. It seemed to go on for 5-6 minutes. Hillary was loving it. He denounced Farrakhan, his beliefs, and actions over and over again, but that didn't seem to be enough for Hillary, Williams or Russert. Williams and Russert seemed to kiss Hillary's @$$ throughout the entire debate, to me it seemed.
Hillary wanted to whine about being given the first questions on a regular basis and wanted to pick around about the SNL spoof about asking if Obama was comfortable and if he "needed a pillow." To me, she came across as bitching and wasn't funny in any way. She's on a sinking ship and seemed VERY uncomfortable. They did everything possible to throw Obama curve balls. He continued to knock them out of the park though!!!

[onlyme]

Obama was very professional and handled himself very well during last night's debate.

Very presidential ;). I said it before, in debates neither Hillary nor McCain will be able to keep up with him simply because they will eventually lose their cool. Hillary is known to be bitchy but McCain has an even worse temper. It will be interesting when Obama goes up against McCain.

[dollfus46]

Obama was very professional and handled himself very well during last night's debate. They pressured him on the Farrakhan issue repeatedly. It seemed to go on for 5-6 minutes. Hillary was loving it. He denounced Farrakhan, his beliefs, and actions over and over again, but that didn't seem to be enough for Hillary, Williams or Russert. Williams and Russert seemed to kiss Hillary's @$$ throughout the entire debate, to me it seemed.
Hillary wanted to whine about being given the first questions on a regular basis and wanted to pick around about the SNL spoof about asking if Obama was comfortable and if he "needed a pillow." To me, she came across as bitching and wasn't funny in any way. She's on a sinking ship and seemed VERY uncomfortable. They did everything possible to throw Obama curve balls. He continued to knock them out of the park though!!!
Oh yeah, I don't know much about Brian Williams, but Tim Russert is in the tank for Dems. But what do you expect. Here's a guy who reveres his dad who grew up in the North East a blue collar union guy. I don't watch him either so I didn't know who he had picked as his "man/gal" for Pres. The Hardball guy is in the tank for Omama Rama Lama Ding Dong

[jojobeans1120]

Obama can/will out-talk circles around McCain on his WORST day.

I think it is funny to see the way Hillary gets flustered and pissed off during these debates with Obama. I cannot wait to see McCain lose it during one! LMAO!!! It is going to be hilarious! :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[jojobeans1120]

Oh yeah, I don't know much about Brian Williams, but Tim Russert is in the tank for Dems. But what do you expect. Here's a guy who reveres his dad who grew up in the North East a blue collar union guy. I don't watch him either so I didn't know who he had picked as his "man/gal" for Pres. The Hardball guy is in the tank for Omama Rama Lama Ding Dong

Russert wasn't doing anything for Obama last night. He was doing everything but bending over for Hillary . Well, he didn't kiss her on camera either. :bowrofl:

[mspolitics82]

Oh yeah, I don't know much about Brian Williams, but Tim Russert is in the tank for Dems. But what do you expect. Here's a guy who reveres his dad who grew up in the North East a blue collar union guy. I don't watch him either so I didn't know who he had picked as his "man/gal" for Pres. The Hardball guy is in the tank for Omama Rama Lama Ding Dong

Russert is from New York and has a LONG record of working with/for Democrats, even BEFORE he became a journalist. He was at one time on the staff of a New York state senator and a New York Governor---both DEMS... just listening to his journalistic commentaries these days, he has not changed at all from those younger days.

[jmb]

Obama was very professional and handled himself very well during last night's debate. They pressured him on the Farrakhan issue repeatedly. It seemed to go on for 5-6 minutes. Hillary was loving it. He denounced Farrakhan, his beliefs, and actions over and over again, but that didn't seem to be enough for Hillary, Williams or Russert. Williams and Russert seemed to kiss Hillary's @$$ throughout the entire debate, to me it seemed.
Hillary wanted to whine about being given the first questions on a regular basis and wanted to pick around about the SNL spoof about asking if Obama was comfortable and if he "needed a pillow." To me, she came across as bitching and wasn't funny in any way. She's on a sinking ship and seemed VERY uncomfortable. They did everything possible to throw Obama curve balls. He continued to knock them out of the park though!!!
I was reading somewhere last night about Hillary complaining about always getting the first question. Then this morning, the tv was on, don't know what program or who, but a man was talking about that and said last night he asked a question and didn't direct it at either Hillary or Barack, and that Hillary jumped in and answered it first. I think he concluded with something like, "Face it, she likes answering questions."

[jojobeans1120]

They asked him something, she was about to jump out of her skin to answer! They had to cut to a commercial. They did everything but tell her to STFU! :kekeke:

[jmb]

They asked him something, she was about to jump out of her skin to answer! They had to cut to a commercial. They did everything but tell her to STFU! :kekeke:
...and I missed it all! Seriously, Hillary used to be a good speaker. Is the pressure getting to her?

[jojobeans1120]

...and I missed it all! Seriously, Hillary used to be a good speaker. Is the pressure getting to her?


OMG, you could see the anger in her. She looked as though she could explode at any moment! :bowrofl::bowrofl:

[onlyme]

OMG, you could see the anger in her. She looked as though she could explode at any moment! :bowrofl::bowrofl:

She has lost me by now. I am still sitting on the fence but I know for whom I am NOT going to vote . I didn't like it when she got all teary eyed in New Hampshire ( I think that's where it was ) and I don't like her barely controlled rage now. A president needs to be more in control of his/her feelings. I expected more/better from her.

[jojobeans1120]

She has lost me by now. I am still sitting on the fence but I know for whom I am NOT going to vote . I didn't like it when she got all teary eyed in New Hampshire ( I think that's where it was ) and I don't like her barely controlled rage now. A president needs to be more in control of his/her feelings. I expected more/better from her.

She's a loose cannon. She's been in the public eye for years, but she's on camera a lot more now that's she's running for president. This woman is dangerous. She's not president material. The fact that she expects people to vote for her because she's a woman is in its self insane. Her overall attitude needs an adjustment. As I have stated before, she's on a sinking ship. Now that she's realized that, she's began to show her true colors. They're not pretty! :smt105

[dollfus46]

Yep yep yep. She's in Panic Mode now. It should get really entertaining.

[jojobeans1120]

Oh, watching her last night was more fun than American Idol. She couldn't decide if she wanted to answer the questions first, or if she wanted to to be the one to respond. She's jealous of all the attention Obama is getting. She knows she's losing to him. I'm glad she's losing to him. She doesn't deserve to win. She's not going to win. I hope he smokes her on Tuesday! Hell, if it is close, I'LL vote for him when the time comes!

[dollfus46]

Obama the Llama jockey has some skeletons in his closet. Background checks have him linked to some Iraqi born British Citizen with enough money to make George Soros look like a pauper. I'm willing to wait and see how this unfolds.

[Fire Extinguisher]

Obama the Llama jockey has some skeletons in his closet. Background checks have him linked to some Iraqi born British Citizen with enough money to make George Soros look like a pauper. I'm willing to wait and see how this unfolds.

Yes, seems I saw something about some rich British-Iraqie that was a member of the Bathist (sp) Party (Sadams Party) giving him loads of money.

Don't know if it was a valid report or not at this time.

[dollfus46]

Yes, seems I saw something about some rich British-Iraqie that was a member of the Bathist (sp) Party (Sadams Party) giving him loads of money.

Don't know if it was a valid report or not at this time.
Apparently this Iraqi is tied somehow to Chicago politics in general. :smt105 Obama is Chicago politics. Daley and the mob control Chicago. You don't get elected in Chicago unless you have Daley's blessing. So, it's a good bet, Obama and Daley have met.:smt086 Didn't the notorioius Teamsters just endorse Obama? Hmmmm.

[fuzzis]

Are you all talking about this (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191436.php)?

This article discusses the home purchase (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article) that some people are calling into question.

[SueScribe]

Oh yeah, I don't know much about Brian Williams, but Tim Russert is in the tank for Dems. But what do you expect. Here's a guy who reveres his dad who grew up in the North East a blue collar union guy. I don't watch him either so I didn't know who he had picked as his "man/gal" for Pres. The Hardball guy is in the tank for Omama Rama Lama Ding Dong

WAR MONGERING, WAR MONGERING, WAR MONGERING MCCAIN'T / BUSH-LEAGUE !!!

The "Hardball Guy" is Chris Matthews, whose brother ran as Lt. Gov. in Pennsylvania as a REPUBLICAN. Matthews has given Democrats (particularly the Clintons) HELL for years. Now that Obama makes a "tingle run up [his] leg" he's suddenly a "liberal", I presume?

Tim Russert has impeccable journalistic credentials and in three of these Dem Debates tore all candidates (before there were two) a "new one." All you have to do is listen to him on Meet The Press. He's Catholic, strong Pro-Life, and is generally regarded as a "true conservative".

I was reading somewhere last night about Hillary complaining about always getting the first question. Then this morning, the tv was on, don't know what program or who, but a man was talking about that and said last night he asked a question and didn't direct it at either Hillary or Barack, and that Hillary jumped in and answered it first. I think he concluded with something like, "Face it, she likes answering questions."

The man was Joe Scarborough, on Morning Joe, who held two terms in the House as a GOP Congressman from Florida.

...and I missed it all! Seriously, Hillary used to be a good speaker. Is the pressure getting to her?

Ho, yeah. The pesumptive candidate can't believe her eyes and ears. I think she's getting bad bad campaign advice and is splitting her personality accordingly. Carville offered months ago to join the campaign if she made a certain change 'at the top'. She didn't. And now? Jimbo is going to dissect why her campaign failed when this is over.

As I have stated before, she's on a sinking ship. Now that she's realized that, she's began to show her true colors. They're not pretty! :smt105

Amen.

Obama the Llama jockey has some skeletons in his closet. Background checks have him linked to some Iraqi born British Citizen with enough money to make George Soros look like a pauper. I'm willing to wait and see how this unfolds.

JOHN MCCAIN IS A WAR-MONGERER. (And a loose screw.)

Yes, seems I saw something about some rich British-Iraqie that was a member of the Bathist (sp) Party (Sadams Party) giving him loads of money.

FE, it's all about a house and parcels of land. Fuzzis posted the link, but here it is again: http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/124171,CST-NWS-obama05.article

Don't know if it was a valid report or not at this time.

The way the Far Right Loonies link Obama in any way possible to anyone they possibly can with the thinnest of ties to camels in the Middle East is preposterous.

However, what else are they to do? The GOP candidate is going to sink like the plane he ejected from over that rice paddie in `Nam.

It's generational gap, a philosophical gap, an intellectual/judgment gap, and while the media and the Far Right Radicals are looking for funny photos and the barest theads to suggest that Obama is anything but who or what he is, and are circulating complete fabrications about Senator Obama (the "throw everything you can against the wall, and see if SOMETHING sticks), John McCain keeps shooting himself in the public foot, and we ain't even made it to the Conventions yet.

[dollfus46]

WAR MONGERING, WAR MONGERING, WAR MONGERING MCCAIN'T / BUSH-LEAGUE !!!




JOHN MCCAIN IS A WAR-MONGERER. (And a loose screw.)




C'mon now Sue, you gotta give me a chance to get my ear plugs in first.:-D

[dollfus46]

Russert is from New York and has a LONG record of working with/for Democrats, even BEFORE he became a journalist. He was at one time on the staff of a New York state senator and a New York Governor---both DEMS... just listening to his journalistic commentaries these days, he has not changed at all from those younger days.
I had heard that. No way Russert is a conservative. Nor is Matthews. But then neither is NBC nor MSNBC.

[dollfus46]

She has lost me by now. I am still sitting on the fence but I know for whom I am NOT going to vote . I didn't like it when she got all teary eyed in New Hampshire ( I think that's where it was ) and I don't like her barely controlled rage now. A president needs to be more in control of his/her feelings. I expected more/better from her.

You must not have believed all those books about her and her rage, cussing and treating her and Bill's staff like they weren't human:smt086.

[onlyme]

You must not have believed all those books about her and her rage, cussing and treating her and Bill's staff like they weren't human:smt086.

Always better to see for yourself ;)

[dollfus46]

Always better to see for yourself ;)
Unfortunately we don't always have that opportunity so we have to rely on :smt023others who saw for themselves. She could sue if it wasn't true. And with several books out there saying the same thing........we have to decide for ourselves, is it plausable? Do I believe it? That's why we read.

[SueScribe]

Twenty-Five (25%) of Senator Clinton's 33% loss in yesterday's Mississippi OPEN Primary were Republicans. Rush Limbaugh, et al.'s, attempt to make Clinton the candidate and/or to forestall this contest until the Conventional Cows come home.

Meanwhile, back in Arizona, McCain is plotting (could be, "plodding") strategy and lining up Big Bucks Donors, and, while he's about it, limping up the White House steps to be endorsed by President Bush (who misjudged McCain's arrival and opted to spend the time doing a soft-shoe dance for the assembled press). Right. That's what McCain needs: Bush on his Side.

I've spent my time, done my thing, made the calls for Obama in Mississippi. I probably added 21 votes to the total, even got one lady up in north-central Jackson to volunteer to haul people to the polls. And, the results for all paid off: a handy majority in the primary, and a handful of delegates, enough to wipe out Ms. Clinton's Texas and Ohio "wins" which, at least inTexas, included another 26 percent or so of cross-over Limbaugh Voters.

Pennsylvania is coming up and already the broad lead enjoyed by Senator Clinton is evaporating. Obama is on the ground in the central (Alabamian) part of the state, shaking hands with White Folk. Former President Clinton says his wife's campaign will "blanket the state." At this point, it looks like the blanket might be wet:

Geraldine Ferraro got my vote in 1982, along with Mondale. I wish I had that vote back. Former Congresswoman Ferraro is Out To Lunch with her EEOC theory of Obama's chances to win the nomination AND the general election in November. Tsk-tsk. Gerry is beginning to sound like Gertrude Stein in the late Fifties: Every man out there - regardless of color - is OUT TO GET women - to repress them, suppress them, abuse and mistreat them, deny them their place in society, strip them of their clothes and equality, all at the same time.

Now, me? I was and am a Feminist, hollered long and loud, and wrote nasty letters to public officials in D.C. about the Equal Rights Amendment (which is still hovering in the mist of politics). I went braless in the 60s, but kept the bras in the drawer. I couldn't bring myself to burn something I might need.

And now, the DNC watches (helplessly?) while Clinton gives McCain "freebies" for his national campaign against Obama; and Obama keeps on keeping on.

Finally - a note to all Republicans who have tried the Limbaugh End-Around:

HAH !!!

[SoMissTV]

Geraldine Ferraro got my vote in 1982, along with Mondale. I wish I had that vote back.

You can sleep well tonight in knowing that your vote had no effect on the election, which was held two years later in 1984.

[SueScribe]

You can sleep well tonight in knowing that your vote had no effect on the election, which was held two years later in 1984.

Dimmit. The period betwen 1982 and 1984 is more or less a vague recollection for me (I won't go into the details), and I might have checked to be sure.

Thank you for your kind Errata.

Sue

[dollfus46]

Twenty-Five (25%) of Senator Clinton's 33% loss in yesterday's Mississippi OPEN Primary were Republicans. Rush Limbaugh, et al.'s, attempt to make Clinton the candidate and/or to forestall this contest until the Conventional Cows come home.

Meanwhile, back in Arizona, McCain is plotting (could be, "plodding") strategy and lining up Big Bucks Donors, and, while he's about it, limping up the White House steps to be endorsed by President Bush (who misjudged McCain's arrival and opted to spend the time doing a soft-shoe dance for the assembled press). Right. That's what McCain needs: Bush on his Side.

I've spent my time, done my thing, made the calls for Obama in Mississippi. I probably added 21 votes to the total, even got one lady up in north-central Jackson to volunteer to haul people to the polls. And, the results for all paid off: a handy majority in the primary, and a handful of delegates, enough to wipe out Ms. Clinton's Texas and Ohio "wins" which, at least inTexas, included another 26 percent or so of cross-over Limbaugh Voters.

Pennsylvania is coming up and already the broad lead enjoyed by Senator Clinton is evaporating. Obama is on the ground in the central (Alabamian) part of the state, shaking hands with White Folk. Former President Clinton says his wife's campaign will "blanket the state." At this point, it looks like the blanket might be wet:

Geraldine Ferraro got my vote in 1982, along with Mondale. I wish I had that vote back. Former Congresswoman Ferraro is Out To Lunch with her EEOC theory of Obama's chances to win the nomination AND the general election in November. Tsk-tsk. Gerry is beginning to sound like Gertrude Stein in the late Fifties: Every man out there - regardless of color - is OUT TO GET women - to repress them, suppress them, abuse and mistreat them, deny them their place in society, strip them of their clothes and equality, all at the same time.

Now, me? I was and am a Feminist, hollered long and loud, and wrote nasty letters to public officials in D.C. about the Equal Rights Amendment (which is still hovering in the mist of politics). I went braless in the 60s, but kept the bras in the drawer. I couldn't bring myself to burn something I might need.

And now, the DNC watches (helplessly?) while Clinton gives McCain "freebies" for his national campaign against Obama; and Obama keeps on keeping on.

Finally - a note to all Republicans who have tried the Limbaugh End-Around:

HAH !!!
I always wondered what you looked like Sue. So I looked up "anomaly" in the dictionary and there was your picture.:kekeke:

[dollfus46]

Oooooooweeeeeeeeeee! FoxNews is making things warm for Obama. They're showing tapes of Jeremiah Wrights racist sermons. Obama has some 'splainin' to do according to (black) Juan Williams.

[fuzzis]

Oooooooweeeeeeeeeee! FoxNews is making things warm for Obama. They're showing tapes of Jeremiah Wrights racist sermons. Obama has some 'splainin' to do according to (black) Juan Williams.

ABC showed them this morning.

[dollfus46]

ABC showed them this morning.

I don't believe it!! Finally! I was merely giving my source so everyone could have a coniption fit over my source.:-D

[LipsofanAngel]

Glenn Beck will be discussing the "racist preacher" clips tonight on his show at 6pm. I haven't heard any of the clips though... I tried to find them online, but couldn't.

[Luvia]

Glenn Beck will be discussing the "racist preacher" clips tonight on his show at 6pm. I haven't heard any of the clips though... I tried to find them online, but couldn't.

YouTube - Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

Unreal...this guy is a piece of work. It's a pretty short clip.

[Conveyor Belt]

YouTube - Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM)

Unreal...this guy is a piece of work. It's a pretty short clip.

He's playing to his audience... so what?

1/2 of the clip is true... 3/4 is 90% true.

I must be missing it.

[dollfus46]

He's playing to his audience... so what?

1/2 of the clip is true... 3/4 is 90% true.

I must be missing it.
It's far more than that, CB. You are missing it or I'm over-reacting. This is how you work people up to become hate mongers. Same type thing is done in radical islamic mosques to hate America. Dangerous. And Obama has to accept responsibility for his participation. I can't imagine anyone actually voting for this man. How does one justify it? Maybe I'm the one who has been indoctrinated instead of them. Maybe I'm the dangerous one for waving my American Flag. I somehow, doubt it.

[Luvia]

It's far more than that, CB. You are missing it or I'm over-reacting. This is how you work people up to become hate mongers. Same type thing is done in radical islamic mosques to hate America. Dangerous. And Obama has to accept responsibility for his participation. I can't imagine anyone actually voting for this man. How does one justify it? Maybe I'm the one who has been indoctrinated instead of them. Maybe I'm the dangerous one for waving my American Flag. I somehow, doubt it.

I was laughing towards the end when he got all self-righteous about how OTHER people are bigots...

I mean, this guy was spewing hate and bigotry two seconds before he started blaming others for their hateful ways. Unreal.

Hateful man...and shame on the people egging him on. My husband said, "Oh my god, are people clapping for that?"

[Bluesman]

Nader '08

Now that is "Change we can believe in":clap::-D

[SueScribe]

It's far more than that, CB. You are missing it or I'm over-reacting. This is how you work people up to become hate mongers. Same type thing is done in radical islamic mosques to hate America. Dangerous. And Obama has to accept responsibility for his participation. I can't imagine anyone actually voting for this man. How does one justify it? Maybe I'm the one who has been indoctrinated instead of them. Maybe I'm the dangerous one for waving my American Flag. I somehow, doubt it.

I believe the Golden Hate-Mongering Globe for 2002-2007 will go to George W. Bush, whose hate (and fear) mongering has set a high bar for those who follow him. First you incite a hateful riot premised on lies, presumptions, innuendo and fabrications. Then, you throw in a large dollop of fear ("9/11" "9/11" "9/11"), and the mixture becomes the Gold Standard for hate and fear-mongering.

Yeah, Dolf, I think you are the one who has been indoctrinated, not instead of them, but WITH them.

Oooooooweeeeeeeeeee! FoxNews is making things warm for Obama. They're showing tapes of Jeremiah Wrights racist sermons. Obama has some 'splainin' to do according to (black) Juan Williams.

Faux News? Hasn't that neo-con-coveting network lost all credibility at this stage, or are they simply singing to the same old/same old choir of folk who are inclined to WANT to believe what they're hearing? As in - their perception becomes their reality?

I always wondered what you looked like Sue. So I looked up "anomaly" in the dictionary and there was your picture.:kekeke:

I stand proud on the fact that I'm likely an "anomaly". Diffferent. Not inclined to follow the herd off the cliff without musing over the possibilities and results. I don't vote my gender, nor my race. I vote what I believe in my heart to be Truth and Character, Tenacity and Judgment, Hope rather than Resigned Acceptance of the status quo. I refuse to give up on my country, refuse to accept that there are not sufficient numbers of like-minded "anomalies" registered to vote, who will turn out in blistering, blinding numbers on November 4 to stem the tide that threatens to wash us all out to sea.

Anomaly, eh?

Think ewe. Think ewe very much.

Sue :attack:

[Conveyor Belt]

It's far more than that, CB. You are missing it or I'm over-reacting. This is how you work people up to become hate mongers. Same type thing is done in radical islamic mosques to hate America. Dangerous. And Obama has to accept responsibility for his participation. I can't imagine anyone actually voting for this man. How does one justify it? Maybe I'm the one who has been indoctrinated instead of them. Maybe I'm the dangerous one for waving my American Flag. I somehow, doubt it.

I just don't take the guy seriously.

[Luvia]

I just don't take the guy seriously.

I agree that the guy is an absolute joke. Sure he's entertaining his masses with all sorts of bigoted nonsense. I think what scares people is that this maniac had/has such a great influence on a person who desires to be the president of our country.

You may not take him seriously, but apparently Obama does. That's what the issue is.

[Conveyor Belt]

I agree that the guy is an absolute joke. Sure he's entertaining his masses with all sorts of bigoted nonsense. I think what scares people is that this maniac had/has such a great influence on a person who desires to be the president of our country.

You may not take him seriously, but apparently Obama does. That's what the issue is.

How long do you think that sermon was?

Surely it was longer than 4 minutes.

If every Sunday service is on tape, where are the rest of the nutty comments? You know every tape's been poured over for as long as they've been putting out tapes of sermons. And this is it? 4 minutes recently and another blurb about 9/11 that is almost the exact position Ron Paul took on 9/11?

I don't know what it's like to be a black man. I can pretend. I know what I see. I see huge social peer pressure to act 'gangsta' and either dismiss school as being worthless or to pretend to dismiss school as being worthless. From what I see, black men dismissed as worthless by black females, or the expectation of being worthless. Whites in general hire more whites, blacks in general hire more blacks. Anyone who says different as fact is lying or misguided. Although there is slow progress, there are few companies owned, founded or ran by blacks. Sure, there are a few successes, and there are several service, but by comparison to population, it's skewed heavily toward whites. See the beginning of the paragraph about dismissing education as a good reason why.

I've been the only white in a sea of blacks, and been treated differently by my black boss than the other managers in the room. Again, I've had that happen when the boss was white, too. I've had white bosses confide in me, alluding to the incompetency of someone while he/she was mentioning that person's race.

When you get bogged down in this mire, it's easy to find someone to blame. The government is popular, as are those who have. While I don't believe the mindset, I can understand fully how someone can get to that place. We've got whites who believe the same thing, but they never mention race. It's 'corporations' instead. The corporations are taking their jobs, the corporations are keeping them down, etc. The whites blame government for their ills, too.

Maybe I've just been around blacks long enough to know that many of the poorer one's feel this way. The guy's sermon is nothing new to me. Nothing outlandish, and nothing that hasn't been said before by many, many people. I can understand why it's such a shock to people who've never lived with a large group of black people. But really, folks, this is nothing new.

I don't have it, but can someone point me to the text where Barak lists how much this guy has influenced him, and in what ways? Surely the guy does more than just preach for 4 minutes about being a poor black man.

[dollfus46]

I believe the Golden Hate-Mongering Globe for 2002-2007 will go to George W. Bush, whose hate (and fear) mongering has set a high bar for those who follow him. First you incite a hateful riot premised on lies, presumptions, innuendo and fabrications. Then, you throw in a large dollop of fear ("9/11" "9/11" "9/11"), and the mixture becomes the Gold Standard for hate and fear-mongering.

Yeah, Dolf, I think you are the one who has been indoctrinated, not instead of them, but WITH them.



Faux News? Hasn't that neo-con-coveting network lost all credibility at this stage, or are they simply singing to the same old/same old choir of folk who are inclined to WANT to believe what they're hearing? As in - their perception becomes their reality?



I stand proud on the fact that I'm likely an "anomaly". Diffferent. Not inclined to follow the herd off the cliff without musing over the possibilities and results. I don't vote my gender, nor my race. I vote what I believe in my heart to be Truth and Character, Tenacity and Judgment, Hope rather than Resigned Acceptance of the status quo. I refuse to give up on my country, refuse to accept that there are not sufficient numbers of like-minded "anomalies" registered to vote, who will turn out in blistering, blinding numbers on November 4 to stem the tide that threatens to wash us all out to sea.

Anomaly, eh?

Think ewe. Think ewe very much.

Sue :attack:

This is all switch and bait, Sue. The topic is Obama. I don't think Bush is a race baiter nor hater, nor country hater, nor a Farrakhan follower nor a Bill Ayres buddy.

[Luvia]

How long do you think that sermon was?

Surely it was longer than 4 minutes.

I don't have it, but can someone point me to the text where Barak lists how much this guy has influenced him, and in what ways? Surely the guy does more than just preach for 4 minutes about being a poor black man.


This is not the only bit of outrageousness from this pastor. You could probably very easily find the clips. I know he made some ignorant statement about Natalee Holloway being some white girl who just gave it up on a beach somewhere and got in trouble... It's pretty common knowledge the church itself is radical.

As for their relationship, there's tons online. I'll jot down a few.


Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?coll=chi-religion-topheadlines

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB120545277093135111.html

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODUxMzRmNjJhNDcxMGI2ZmIxZWEzMmQ5ODZiYzY3ODE=

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1028/newsfeature.html

Not all of it's bad. And I'm not saying that just because your supporters are crazy, then the candidate is crazy. This guy is more than a supporter, in my mind. He's not just his preacher. Obama respects this man. His statements should be shocking to all of us. I don't ever think you should become desensitized to bigotry and hate. I'll never just accept that.

And I'm sorry...I know there's racism in this world. Without a doubt--and it's shameful. There's discrimination along all sorts of lines. There's plenty of sexism in this world too. I'm pretty sure that large corporations have very few women at the top. Does that have any bearing on my worth or family expectations? No. Women suffered some pretty atrocious conditions in their own right since time began. Sure some women are man-haters because of this...god knows when you take a history class or learn about women throughout history it can make your stomach turn. Or when you hear of all the rape and abuses here and in other countries--like in Darfur where women are so violently abused they can't even go to the bathroom normally...it's might be easy to think men are the slime of the earth.

Bottom line is life ain't fair. There are lots of ignorant jerks in this world, but if you use some excuse (or social pressure) to keep yourself down or some excuse to fill your life with hate, well... I just don't see many good reasons to live, act, and speak in a hateful, bitter, resentful way. There's just no sense in it and no excuse for it.

There are so many opportunities in this country--there's no sense in wallowing in it. Anyone can go to college these days and make a better life for themselves.

This man is doing nothing but holding back his congregation and anyone who even partially believes his insanity. That's sad to me. He acts all empowered and all he's doing is bringing his race down.

[jojobeans1120]

DES MOINES, Iowa — Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.
Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.
Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday’s conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he’s dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.
Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.
Twelve automatic delegates bring the state’s total to 57. Obama has been endorsed by four of those and Clinton three, with the remainder uncommitted.
Counting Iowa’s results Saturday, an Associated Press delegate tally showed Obama with 1,610 delegates and Clinton with 1,496.
Obama won the state’s precinct caucuses in January with 39 percent of the vote, with Edwards narrowly edging Clinton to finish second. Projections on caucus night showed Obama getting 16 delegates, compared to 15 for Clinton and 14 for Edwards.
“It means the Obama people are very organized,” said Iowa Democratic Chairman Scott Brennan. “They have been working very hard for these conventions.”
Brennan said turnout was heavy, with more than 13,000 activists showing up at conventions in the state’s 99 counties.
“Today, Iowa Democrats again turned out in large numbers to reject the failed Bush-McCain campaign and its policies,” said Brennan.
Edwards finished second in the state’s leadoff precinct caucuses on Jan. 3, but those caucuses are only the first step in a complicated process of picking the state’s 45 pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August.
The next step in that process was Saturday with selection of delegates to congressional district and state conventions. Party officials said the results Saturday marked the election of 2,173 of the 2,500 delegates who will go to those convention.
The epic presidential race between Clinton and Obama has been reshaped since Iowa’s caucuses, but is no less intense with every delegate carrying weight.
“Every single one counts and that’s why we’ve been here organizing,” said Teresa Vilmain, a field organizer for Clinton.
“We’ve filled all of our slots,” said Gordon Fischer, a former Iowa Democratic chairman who is organizing for Obama.
Rob Tully, a Des Moines lawyer and prominent Edwards backer, sent an e-mail to supporters urging them to remain neutral, but there was clear movement to Obama when the results were tallied.
“Barack Obama stands for a lot of the same things that John Edwards stood for,” said Ro Foege, a state legislator from Mount Vernon who switched to the Obama camp.
The county conventions are traditionally sleepy gatherings where party leaders have trouble gathering a quorum to conduct business, largely because the party usually has a nominee by this point. With the race still up for grabs, activists jammed school gymnasiums, auditoriums and meeting halls across the state.
Former Gov. Tom Vilsack, a Clinton backer, spoke to more than 1,200 delegates jammed into a suburban high school gym.
“The reality is we are united on one thing today, we are Democrats, we are proud Democrats and we are going to elect a Democratic president,” said Vilsack, who dropped his own bid for the nomination even before the voting began. “Let us pledge that we will unite behind our nominee — be it he or she.”












http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/15/obama-picks-up-more-delegates-in-iowa/

[dollfus46]

That's crazy!

[jojobeans1120]

A little good news for Obama, and his supporters. With all of the controversy surrounding his former preacher, he could use some good publicity.

[jojobeans1120]

That's crazy!



Ummm.... the democratic party! Hello? :laugh:

[jojobeans1120]

That's just a joke, guys. No personal attacks please....LOL

[jojobeans1120]

All politics is crazy, if ya ask me. I totally hate the way the primary system is set up. It allows for the earlier states to determine nominations before others, such as MS even get a chance to have a say in things... :smt086

[dollfus46]

All politics is crazy, if ya ask me. I totally hate the way the primary system is set up. It allows for the earlier states to determine nominations before others, such as MS even get a chance to have a say in things... :smt086
Move to SC sweetie.:smt055

[jojobeans1120]

Move to SC sweetie.:smt055


:attack:

[SueScribe]

Barack? Are you listening to me?

I think your faith in the American People may be misplaced. You mean well, but . . they're really and truly NOT ready for the truth.

The only people that truth will set free, Barack? They've got it already. The rest? It's your pastor preaching to another choir.

Night-night, darlin'.

[SueScribe]

How long do you think that sermon was?

Surely it was longer than 4 minutes.

If every Sunday service is on tape, where are the rest of the nutty comments? You know every tape's been poured over for as long as they've been putting out tapes of sermons. And this is it? 4 minutes . . . . .

I'm falling in love with you. Tell your wife.:attack:

[CircusRide]

Uh Oh!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc

Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Well, it is a Zogby poll.

[dollfus46]

Barack? Are you listening to me?

I think your faith in the American People may be misplaced. You mean well, but . . they're really and truly NOT ready for the truth.

The only people that truth will set free, Barack? They've got it already. The rest? It's your pastor preaching to another choir.

Night-night, darlin'.

I think you need to put the cork back in the bottle.:kekeke:

[CircusRide]

Yet more bad news for the Obamanables. This is the third poll that's come out showing Obama dropping and McCain/Clinton rising.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/ts_nm/usa_politics_gallup_dc


The March 14-18 national survey of 1,209 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters gave Clinton, a New York senator, a 49 percent to 42 percent edge over Obama, an Illinois senator. The poll has an error margin of 3 percentage points.


Gallup said polling data also showed McCain leading Obama 47 percent to 43 percent in 4,367 registered voters' preferences for the general election. The general election survey has an error margin of 2 percentage points.
The Arizona senator also edged Clinton 48 percent to 45 percent but Gallup said the lead was not statistically significant.


Apparently the speech really was very moving for some. It moved them to other candidates.

[Conveyor Belt]

For those of you looking at the polls, do you always believe everything a poll tells you, or only when it agrees or supports your stance?

Polls are pointless items. JMO.

[Luvia]

How long do you think that sermon was?

Surely it was longer than 4 minutes.

If every Sunday service is on tape, where are the rest of the nutty comments? You know every tape's been poured over for as long as they've been putting out tapes of sermons. And this is it? 4 minutes recently and another blurb about 9/11 that is almost the exact position Ron Paul took on 9/11?


Is every Sunday service on tape and available to the public? I wasn't given that impression. I have never seen that written anywhere.

[Conveyor Belt]

Is every Sunday service on tape and available to the public? I wasn't given that impression. I have never seen that written anywhere.

From my understanding, they have been selling tapes of each Sunday's sermon for quite some time now.

[CircusRide]

For those of you looking at the polls, do you always believe everything a poll tells you, or only when it agrees or supports your stance?

Polls are pointless items. JMO.

It's three polls. And while I don't care for polls, the polls have been from three separate outlets (not that it means whole lot). The same outlets that were showing Obama leading a month ago.