Who's the best Dem and which Rep is most likely to beat him/her?

[Mike]

I rooting for Hillary. I believe her voters might not cross over to vote for Obama, but a meaningful % of Obama supporters would more likely cross over to vote for her.

Romney the nominee would make the Reps dog meat. Either candidate would beat him soundly. McCain wins against Hillary. Too close to call 9 months out if opposing Obama.

I hear the points about McCain being "too liberal." My take on that is he will do what I generally regard as the right thing, even if it doesn't toe the standard Rep line. He's a maverick. Isn't that what the pollsters say we all want...CHANGE? What're we blasting him for now? Not following the Bush administration? Give me a break. I quit following W a long time ago. Voted for him twice only because I thought he was the lesser of the crap piles.

There. I feel better. Thanks. (whew)

[dreamhippy]

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate worthy of our votes, from either side. The best Dem is one not in the running, or one that nobody believes in.

[jojobeans1120]

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate worthy of our votes, from either side. The best Dem is one not in the running, or one that nobody believes in.


While that MIGHT be the case, it is pretty obvious that he's got a snowball's chance in hell of winning. In reality, I'm afraid there's no one that will be capable of beating Obama or Hillary. John McCain might get the nomination, but he, in my opinion, doesn't have what it takes to beat either of them. Hillary has the "first woman president" thing in her favor, and Obama has the "first African American" thingy in his favor. It would seem to me that Hillary might want to come up with something new. With people comparing Obama to JFK, his support is growing stronger and stronger.
Did anyone see that line of people there were standing outside, in hopes of seeing his speech today? :smt103

[dollfus46]

I rooting for Hillary. I believe her voters might not cross over to vote for Obama, but a meaningful % of Obama supporters would more likely cross over to vote for her.

Romney the nominee would make the Reps dog meat. Either candidate would beat him soundly. McCain wins against Hillary. Too close to call 9 months out if opposing Obama.

I hear the points about McCain being "too liberal." My take on that is he will do what I generally regard as the right thing, even if it doesn't toe the standard Rep line. He's a maverick. Isn't that what the pollsters say we all want...CHANGE? What're we blasting him for now? Not following the Bush administration? Give me a break. I quit following W a long time ago. Voted for him twice only because I thought he was the lesser of the crap piles.

There. I feel better. Thanks. (whew)

I can't see a dime's difference in Hillary and Obama. They are interchangable as far as I can see. They seem to agree on the end result and differ only in the means of getting there.
I'll have to go with McCain or Romney. Romney is my pic now and then I'll go back home and shower again. Shudder

[Kitty]

I read or heard somewhere that John Edwards' withdrawal from the race will likely benefit Hillary.

No question McCain has the momentum on the Republican side. Governor Arnold the Terminator will be endorsing McCain, as will Rudy.

I believe it was Caroline Kennedy who stated in her endorsement of Obama that he inspires people and reminds her of JFK.

[dollfus46]

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate worthy of our votes, from either side. The best Dem is one not in the running, or one that nobody believes in.

He might be the only one worthy of YOUR vote and a few others in the U.S. but he's not someone I'd vote for unless he was the candidate against Shrillary and Obama You Mama. Right now it's only fair to give names for Romney and McCain. Hep me out here. How about Robme and McLame? McBane? I like McBane. Let's not take this election too seriously. It's going to happen and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Heh heh heh. NO! WAIT! I forgot my cureall. We could just shoot the bastards and start over. I'm only joking SECRET SERVICE.

[BayFly]

What's McBane mean?????????
HuckFinn for Huckabee my #1 today

[dollfus46]

While that MIGHT be the case, it is pretty obvious that he's got a snowball's chance in hell of winning. In reality, I'm afraid there's no one that will be capable of beating Obama or Hillary. John McCain might get the nomination, but he, in my opinion, doesn't have what it takes to beat either of them. Hillary has the "first woman president" thing in her favor, and Obama has the "first African American" thingy in his favor. It would seem to me that Hillary might want to come up with something new. With people comparing Obama to JFK, his support is growing stronger and stronger.
Did anyone see that line of people there were standing outside, in hopes of seeing his speech today? :smt103

Frankly, I hope Obama whips Hillary. Only because I personally like Obama and I personally dislike Hillary more than anybody in politics........except Pelosi and Reid. (Oh Lordy. Now the WHITE FOLK will call me racist. I can't win.) I Can't take her and Billy in the White House again. Which might, in fact, be what beats Hillary. But then, I think Once we get down to one on one with McBane and Obama Yo Mama, people will realize that the Yankee from Ill. or Hawaii or Indonesia, isn't ready yet. I'm merely pulling that pronostication from a warm dark place. I have no credentials to lend any credence to it.

[dollfus46]

I read or heard somewhere that John Edwards' withdrawal from the race will likely benefit Hillary.

No question McCain has the momentum on the Republican side. Governor Arnold the Terminator will be endorsing McCain, as will Rudy.

I believe it was Caroline Kennedy who stated in her endorsement of Obama that he inspires people and reminds her of JFK.
Frankly I think her rememberance of her father is murky at best, and viewed through rose colored glasses of those close to her that could influence her. I don't think she was old enough to make a connection as to what his job was when he was killed. I think that's all horse manure. She had to read about the Bay of Pigs where I experienced it. JFK was a much greater President because he died young than he would have been had he served out his term. JMAO. There were as many who disliked him as there are those that dislike Bush II. But the liberals write the books and control the media and have rewritten history.

[dollfus46]

What's McBane mean?????????
HuckFinn for Huckabee my #1 today
Bane - something that causes misery or ruination. The end. Something like that. "He is the bane of my existance." (For Example) It ain't good, Bayfly. But I figured I had to be fair to the liberals. Only because I'm in a good mood today. Tomorrow..........we'll have to see.:kekeke:

[dollfus46]

I rooting for Hillary. I believe her voters might not cross over to vote for Obama, but a meaningful % of Obama supporters would more likely cross over to vote for her.

Romney the nominee would make the Reps dog meat. Either candidate would beat him soundly. McCain wins against Hillary. Too close to call 9 months out if opposing Obama.

I hear the points about McCain being "too liberal." My take on that is he will do what I generally regard as the right thing, even if it doesn't toe the standard Rep line. He's a maverick. Isn't that what the pollsters say we all want...CHANGE? What're we blasting him for now? Not following the Bush administration? Give me a break. I quit following W a long time ago. Voted for him twice only because I thought he was the lesser of the crap piles.

There. I feel better. Thanks. (whew)
Who is the "best" dem?:smt118 That's like saying if you are going to die a slow, painful, lingering death, which do you prefer, cancer or enphysema?

[dreamhippy]

He might be the only one worthy of YOUR vote and a few others in the U.S. but he's not someone I'd vote for unless he was the candidate against Shrillary and Obama You Mama. Right now it's only fair to give names for Romney and McCain. Hep me out here. How about Robme and McLame? McBane? I like McBane. Let's not take this election too seriously. It's going to happen and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Heh heh heh. NO! WAIT! I forgot my cureall. We could just shoot the bastards and start over. I'm only joking SECRET SERVICE.


I intend to vote for him (Ron Paul) ONLY, no matter who the MSM tell us we should vote for "because they are the only ones with a chance". If more people felt like I do about that, there would be far less votes for the others. Why should the MSM decide for me who I will vote for? I could never vote for Hillary. I want her to continue living in Hell for now and the forseeable future. Barabbas cannot get my vote either. Mark of Cain cannot shake his Liberal past. Romaney is too liberal, also, by a long shot, for my taste. No, thanks, MSM, I will decide for myself!

[dreamhippy]

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[Conveyor Belt]

This is an interesting question.

McCain won't beat Clinton. McCain won't beat Obama. Romney may have a shot, but probably won't b/c there are so many people opposed to him b/c he's Mormon. Between people not voting for Obama b/c he's black, and not voting for Romney b/c he's Mormon, we've got a great deal of 'progress' to be made in this country.

McCain is going to tank worse than Dole and Ford. It's a losing strategy to anoint McCain. Evangelicals have their heads so far up Huckabee's a@@, they can't see straight.

Fact is, conservatives have no candidate in the race. I'm not sure that we ever did. I'm not sure what's going on in the republican party. The answer is not Ron Paul. The answer is somewhere between Paul and Romney. The answer is who GWB was SUPPOSED to be, not who he turned out to be. Where is that candidate?

The country is uninformed and sheep. They cannot think issues through to conclusion. They want the happy fix. Thing is, I think they do know what they want, they are just afraid to ask for the right person to do it b/c they may 'hurt someone's feelings'.

I think the country needs a far left admin like Obama/Clinton to make us focus on what we REALLY need.

Republicans will not win this one b/c most are going to not vote or a good third party person will rise up and take some of the votes.

I am a conservative, and I cannot, in good faith, vote for McCain.

[dreamhippy]

I think you should give people some credit. Maybe they choose not to vote for Obama not because of racism, but because they see him as a poor excuse for a candidate. Same goes for Romney and religious prejudice. Maybe his religion is of absolutely no consequence. He simply is not the right man for the job, even if he is better than John McClinton, I mean McCain. Ron Paul IS the man for the job and more people need to realise this and get on board. Do not let the main stream media decide who can win or who cannot! You were certainly right about Huckabee and the Evangelicals, though (even though some of us Evangelicals aren`t blind). I wish they could realize the truth about him, also. I also fear the conservatives will lose this one. They should win the next one by a landslide!

[Conveyor Belt]

I think you should give people some credit. Maybe they choose not to vote for Obama not because of racism, but because they see him as a poor excuse for a candidate. Same goes for Romney and religious prejudice. Maybe his religion is of absolutely no consequence. He simply is not the right man for the job, even if he is better than John McClinton, I mean McCain. Ron Paul IS the man for the job and more people need to realise this and get on board. Do not let the main stream media decide who can win or who cannot! You were certainly right about Huckabee and the Evangelicals, though (even though some of us Evangelicals aren`t blind). I wish they could realize the truth about him, also. I also fear the conservatives will lose this one. They should win the next one by a landslide!

I didn't implicate 'everyone' in my statements about how far the country has to go. I'm only speaking toward those to whom the label applies. I have heard many speak about not voting for Obama b/c he's black or a closet Muslim. I've heard many speak about not voting for Romney because he's a Mormon. I've heard many say they will only vote for Huckabee b/c he shares their faith.

Ron Paul is not the man. You can believe he is, but I do not and bombarding people with your 'truth' about Paul isn't going to convince me to vote for him.

[dreamhippy]

http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/Jan08_Hudson.pdf


Long story short. The media decides for us.

[firefly]

The media won't be deciding for ME!:smt009

[Reason]

So you guys plan to vote Republican no matter what? If so, why? Where has that gotten you so far? Are you better off because of it?

See, the reason I ask this is because Ron Paul is the only real Republican candidate. If you are such a hard-core Republicans that the idea of a Democrat in the White House gives you gas, then Ron Paul is the only choice.

The rest of them aren't actually Republicans, they are all some form of hybrid built out the same non-issue marketing campaigns Republicans have been using to get elected these last eight years. Voting for them hurts your cause. It weakens your party. It makes America suck.

They harp on terrorism, war, immigration, gay marriage and abortion. Their debates are boring and predictable, barely mentioning anything that matters in our daily lives.

By now, you must be getting the hint - you are being manipulated. The Republican Party is no longer the Republican Party. It has become a machine designed to win elections; meanwhile, their ability to govern and legislate has gone into the toilet.

The Republican party does not care about you. Republicans don't give a shit about the common man, the blue-collar worker, the middle class or the poor. It's a great big bait and switch. They pander to your values so they can continue to make a profit off the sweat of your brow. Have you learned nothing from the Bush administration?

The Republican Party and conservative pundits have successfully created an imaginary boogie man, a fantasy person called "The Liberal" who wants to turn you all gay, burn your Bibles, allow Osama Bin Laden to open a Mosque in your hometown, get your daughter pregnant, abort her fetus in the third trimester, take away your guns, and give your job to a Mexican.

Guess what? There is no such person. The liberal vs. conservative debate, the culture war, is a lie. It doesn't exist. It's a tool used to keep you pissed off so you will vote for people who pretend to be on your side in a false conflict.

[Conveyor Belt]

See, the reason I ask this is because Ron Paul is the only real Republican candidate. If you are such a hard-core Republicans that the idea of a Democrat in the White House gives you gas, then Ron Paul is the only choice.


I so tired of Paulites touting Paul as the second coming. There are many, many more choices than Paul. Paul is not 100% perfect. Republican is a subjective term. Republican to one, may be liberal to another.

I'm not going to vote for Paul for many reasons. Toward the top of the list is Paul's admission that he can get none of the things he spouts done. He knows he can't. I know he can't. You know he can't. It's going to take more than a libertarian leaning Republican President to move this country.

By the same token, that's why I'm comfortable with whomever wins the presidency, because so little ever happens at the hands of the President. Checks and balances are great tools, and they work.

Funny how everyone wants to blame Bush for the ills of America, when the Congress was there the whole time for the ride, and if the majority really wanted to pull the brakes, then they could have. They did it on SS reform.

Paul won't win. Make your symbolic protest vote if you must. I understand 100%. I'll vote for whomever I deem most worthy, too. But please, quit telling us that if we don't vote for Paul we are a combination of blind, stupid sheep.

[Comments 2]

"Funny how everyone wants to blame Bush for the ills of America, when the Congress was there the whole time for the ride, and if the majority really wanted to pull the brakes, then they could have. They did it on SS reform."

Amen to that....will never happen but term limits for congress should go right in hand with the presidency. If they are there too long they turn into "politicians" and it's all down hill from there.

[Mike]

Here's the deal - TODAY

There are four candidates. (no discussion about Paul, O'Hara, et.al. - they're nothing but minimal noise at this point)

There are few discernable differences in any of them, except for a couple of basic pillars. One favors a socialist model economy, one has no clue except what his balance sheet reflects, the other two are a close enough mix of unsophistocated economic understanding (i.e., what role the govt needs to play) that they're indiscernable.

We will learn nothing revealing about them - it's all public posturing at this point. We may learn that Hitlary sat on the WalMart board for a few years while they fought unionization, but that junk is out there for all of 'em.

It's now a popularity contest. Who do you like the least? That's your man. Woman. Whatever.

Do we want the Clinton package?

Dang, I had to hold my nose the last two presidential elections and will have to do it again. What's wrong wih this picture?

[dreamhippy]

I figure it will probably come down to Hillary versus Juan McClinton, er McCain. They would have made such a dream team on the same ticket. His Hate Crime legislation and Illegal Immigration Amnesty, along with her Nationalized health care. That also would have allowed us to reject them both at the same time. :) We could call them the Big Government Establishment War Hawks ticket.

[Conveyor Belt]

This is an interesting question.

McCain won't beat Clinton. McCain won't beat Obama. Romney may have a shot, but probably won't b/c there are so many people opposed to him b/c he's Mormon. Between people not voting for Obama b/c he's black, and not voting for Romney b/c he's Mormon, we've got a great deal of 'progress' to be made in this country.

McCain is going to tank worse than Dole and Ford. It's a losing strategy to anoint McCain. Evangelicals have their heads so far up Huckabee's a@@, they can't see straight.

Fact is, conservatives have no candidate in the race. I'm not sure that we ever did. I'm not sure what's going on in the republican party. The answer is not Ron Paul. The answer is somewhere between Paul and Romney. The answer is who GWB was SUPPOSED to be, not who he turned out to be. Where is that candidate?

The country is uninformed and sheep. They cannot think issues through to conclusion. They want the happy fix. Thing is, I think they do know what they want, they are just afraid to ask for the right person to do it b/c they may 'hurt someone's feelings'.

I think the country needs a far left admin like Obama/Clinton to make us focus on what we REALLY need.

Republicans will not win this one b/c most are going to not vote or a good third party person will rise up and take some of the votes.

I am a conservative, and I cannot, in good faith, vote for McCain.

One week to go, and this was from January.

Hmm... I wonder if Obama or McCain will win...

I think there may be a 'Bradley' effect, but only next Tuesday will tell...

Some of these old campaign threads are good reads.