Republican Debate on CNN

[mspolitics82]

I was clearly reminded tonight why I hope John McCain does NOT become our President. While the media and seemingly the Republican establishment may want him to be the nominee, I hope more and more Republican voters during the remaining primaries will clearly see that McCain is not a Conservative Republican. I am more than appalled at his repeated misrepresentations of the truth when it comes to things Romney has supposedly said or done.

Concerning the debate itself...... I must say, in fairness, that Huckaby nor Paul were given very little opportunity and were basically ignored by the moderator and questioners.

My wife, who generally dislikes politics as much as I do HGTV, watched the debate with me tonight and cast her vote for Romney. She said he even "looks Presidential".....oh, dear! Hopefully she won't cast her vote on that reason alone!!!

[dreamhippy]

People need to wake up soon and smell the coffee!

[firefly]

Before this country goes to Hell in a hand basket!!!:smt118:smt118:smt118

[dollfus46]

I was clearly reminded tonight why I hope John McCain does NOT become our President. While the media and seemingly the Republican establishment may want him to be the nominee, I hope more and more Republican voters during the remaining primaries will clearly see that McCain is not a Conservative Republican. I am more than appalled at his repeated misrepresentations of the truth when it comes to things Romney has supposedly said or done.

Concerning the debate itself...... I must say, in fairness, that Huckaby nor Paul were given very little opportunity and were basically ignored by the moderator and questioners.

My wife, who generally dislikes politics as much as I do HGTV, watched the debate with me tonight and cast her vote for Romney. She said he even "looks Presidential".....oh, dear! Hopefully she won't cast her vote on that reason alone!!!

Your signature is my map to the White House. Only one left now is Romney. And I'm not busting my hump to get to the polls and vote for him. I still like Duncan Hunter.;)

[dreamhippy]

I was clearly reminded tonight why I hope John McCain does NOT become our President. While the media and seemingly the Republican establishment may want him to be the nominee, I hope more and more Republican voters during the remaining primaries will clearly see that McCain is not a Conservative Republican. I am more than appalled at his repeated misrepresentations of the truth when it comes to things Romney has supposedly said or done.

Concerning the debate itself...... I must say, in fairness, that Huckaby nor Paul were given very little opportunity and were basically ignored by the moderator and questioners.

My wife, who generally dislikes politics as much as I do HGTV, watched the debate with me tonight and cast her vote for Romney. She said he even "looks Presidential".....oh, dear! Hopefully she won't cast her vote on that reason alone!!!


I will never vote for John McCain. (http://gopteaparty.com/)
He has consistently demonstrated a record of public service counter to the philosophy and principles of conservatism and the Republican Party as evidenced by the following facts:

1. He has a consistent pattern of shocking verbal abuse, including screaming profanities, against Senate Republican colleagues who oppose his bills in any way; and

2. He has exercised scandalously poor judgment by intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr. in the Savings and Loan Crisis of the 1980s; and

3. He has worked against the principles of the Republican Party, promoting expanding federal regulatory authority in order to combat global warming in ways that would greatly burden the American economy, contrary to free market forces; and

5. He has fought the Republican Party to create the Patient’s Bill of Rights, which allowed the government to impose a set of burdensome mandates on insurance coverage; and

4. He has undermined the principles of a free market economy by voting for an amendment that would authorize the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement price controls on prescription drugs under Medicare; and

6. He has worked against the Republican Party to make a mockery of the rule of law, promoting amnesty for 20 million illegal immigrants; and

7. He has voted to subvert American Sovereignty by granting consulting rights to Mexico concerning the erection of a southern border fence; and

8. He has undermined the Constitution and opposed the Constitutional duties of the Vice President to break a tie on judicial nominations; and

9. He has worked against Conservative principles, undermining the First Amendment by abridging the free speech of citizens partaking in the political process; and

10. He has consistently led efforts undermining Second Amendment rights by promoting bills which regulate all sales at gun shows; regulations which force gun-owners to purchase trigger locks, making their firearms useless for self-defense; regulations which restrict the legitimate transfer of firearms over the internet; and regulations which extend the restrictions of the Brady bill to pawn shops and gun repair shops; and

11. He has voted to use taxpayer funds to harvest stem cells from human embryos; and

12. He has refused to take immediate and direct action to protect the life of the unborn; he opposes the repeal of Roe v. Wade; and he opposes a constitutional amendment to protect all human life; and

13. He sponsored and voted for a 282% tax increase on cigarettes that would have unconstitutionally violated the First Amendment and increased the size of the federal bureaucracy exponentially by giving the FDA unrestricted control over nicotine; and

14. He supports raising Social Security taxes; and

15. He has broken with the Republican Party in strongly opposing President Bush's tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. He also joined leading liberal senators in offering and voting for amendments designed to undermine the tax cuts.


Read more here (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/)

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[SoMissTV]

Dreamhippy?

How does increasing the cigarette tax violate the first amendment?

How were rights abridged on point number 9?

[dreamhippy]

I reckon those are subjective just a bit. He kept the tobacco companies from saying how great their product was, and told a fellow Senator to "Shut the F*** up!". :)

The Mouse that roared: Why Ron Paul won the election (http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/the-mouse-that-roared-why-ron-paul-won-the-election/)

February 6, 2008 by Doug Wead

Well now, Republicans say, we have a nominee. That may very well be but there was only one clear winner in the confusing GOP nominating contest and it was not John McCain. The winner was Ron Paul. And the effects of his win will be felt for years to come.
Ron Paul made a classic political mistake. He told the truth. In debate after debate he pointed at his party, his president, his fellow contenders for the GOP nomination, shouting aloud like the little boy in the proverbial story, “they have no clothes” and lo and behold, we looked and they didn’t. They were all naked.
He showed that the conservative movement has lost its way, its moral authority and its logic. He showed us that we have become a red team versus blue team. That since we have decided that this is a political war and all normal rules are suspended, conservatives can do liberal things to win it. Conservatives can run up big deficits if it helps their side win. They can dole out needless pork if it elects another “conservative” to congress. They can go to war if it makes their president look like a leader and wins him another term.
But in the process, Ron Paul showed us, that we have lost our way. We are no longer conservatives. We are fighting for power not for principles. We have become corrupted by the process and the only way back is to retrace our steps and find all the things we discarded along the way.
Barry Goldwater lighted a similar fire with his Conscience of a Conservative. Its truth and arguments were so obvious and so honest that one laughed aloud while reading it. But Goldwater, himself, was doomed to political defeat. And Ron Paul had no chance to win this election either. One could see that when he first opened his mouth.
And yet, the words and arguments of Ron Paul are still resonating. They still hang over this election. They are haunting and troubling. They are producing blogs and papers and books and like Goldwater’s revolution they will one day very likely produce their own Ronald Reagan. And when those heady days happen a small but hearty band of pioneers, who first had the nerve to join him and start shouting from the street, “They aren’t wearing any clothes,” will be able to say that they could see what the country missed. They were there when history was made.
John McCain and his poorly chosen words, of staying in Iraq a hundred years, have almost guaranteed that he will be the answer to the trivia question, who was the Republican candidate who lost to the ticket that claimed the first woman and black for the presidency? Another question may very well be, “What other candidate ran that year and launched the movement that has dominated national politics for the last generation?”
And the answer will be Ron Paul.

[SoMissTV]

I reckon those are subjective just a bit. He kept the tobacco companies from saying how great their product was, and told a fellow Senator to "Shut the F*** up!". :)

Raising the cigarette tax does not in and of itself deny the freedom of speech for tobacco companies. Please give a better reason.

He's free to tell another senator whatever he'd like, right? That's the beauty of free speech.


Dream, I don't think you answered either of my questions. Please state the evidence that supports your position on the posts to which I inquired.

[big john]

this is his voting record.
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270

[dreamhippy]

I agree. I haven`t given very good reasons for those. That`s because I copied and pasted this from elsewhere. I needed no complete documentation of all the accusations listed for the very simple reason that I would not vote for Juan McCain for POTUS based solely upon his choice of AMNESTY for illegal aliens. The link is there, but I could not find anything further about tobacco. For me, I do not need to.

[dollfus46]

I don't care what his voting record is. I'm voting against Obama, who has "Present" as his voting record and Hillary who is a self confessed socialist. I frankly believe this is the beginning of the end of democracy in America as we know it. Don't know how long it will take to compete the eradication but this is step uno

[Remington]

If McCain got in, which he's likely to do, then I would have to vote for him if the other choice was Obama or Hillary. I couldn't stay at home as some said they would do. But maybe in 4 more years, there will be some decent candidates.

[SoMissTV]

That`s because I copied and pasted this from elsewhere.

Well, there you go. When you post crap which may or may not be true, expect to be called on it. In the future, I would hope that you only post facts, not half-truths.