Interesting article on the cult of Obama

[Luvia]

The link is on drudge...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/and-obama-wept.html

[dollfus46]

The link is on drudge...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/and-obama-wept.html

Yep. The man is dangerous. I said it months ago. I ask the same question about Obama Yo Momma as I asked about Shrillary (for which I had no taker, none, not one, No uno.) Tell me why you are voting for Obama. What is his platform beyond, "Change." Charles Manson is charasmatic. The Anti Christ will be Charasmatic. That quality alone would give me pause. I don't think neither he nor Shrillary can win. I just don't think the country is that far left. I thin you have a lot of excited Dems who, right now, see only the White House. But when they get to the booth, they'll vote centrist as they always have.

[SueScribe]

Yep. The man is dangerous. I said it months ago. I ask the same question about Obama Yo Momma as I asked about Shrillary (for which I had no taker, none, not one, No uno.) Tell me why you are voting for Obama. What is his platform beyond, "Change." Charles Manson is charasmatic. The Anti Christ will be Charasmatic. That quality alone would give me pause. I don't think neither he nor Shrillary can win. I just don't think the country is that far left. I thin you have a lot of excited Dems who, right now, see only the White House. But when they get to the booth, they'll vote centrist as they always have.

The most dangerous man in presidential history will be tying his saddle bags to Dick, his horse, next January 20th.

Plus, IMHO, the Antichrist has just finished endorsing John "Can't Fly An F-4 Phantom Worth A Da^%" McCain.

But, more to your point, the Democratic Party is breaking records in primary and caucus turnouts. These same "fired-up" voters, and Independents, and . . a record number of Republicans, will make Election `08 a LANDSLIDE victory for whomever the Democratic Party candidate may be.

And, finally, if you're looking to charisma alone as a foretelling of an "anti-Christ", take a long long look at Mike Huckabee.

Finally - as a bandmate of mine once shouted during a two measure rest in "Dixie Overture":

"Save your Confederate money, boys - the South Shall Rise Again!"

(Finally.)

[dollfus46]

No one is going to respond, in any seriousness, Doff, with your vitriolic, cutsey-poo, racist-tainted name-calling of Americans who have the same privilege as you - to THINK the way they choose to think, and to vote the way they choose to vote, and, if I may suggest - comments like yours just incites them to turn out even more..

That caveat aside:

The most dangerous man in presidential history will be tying his saddle bags to Dick, his horse, next January 20th.

Plus, IMHO, the Antichrist has just finished endorsing John "Can't Fly An F-4 Phantom Worth A Da^%" McCain.

But, more to your point, the Democratic Party is breaking records in primary and caucus turnouts. These same "fired-up" voters, and Independents, and . . a record number of Republicans, will make Election `08 a LANDSLIDE victory for whomever the Democratic Party candidate may be.

And, finally, if you're looking to charisma alone as a foretelling of an "anti-Christ", take a long long look at Mike Huckabee.

Finally - as a bandmate of mine once shouted during a two measure rest in "Dixie Overture":

"Save your Confederate money, boys - the South Shall Rise Again!"

(Finally.)
Well, Hello Sue. I see you're back with the same charming ways you left here with. :-D I thought we could disagree without the hateful personal attacks.

[MMA]

Obama is mentioned in the bible. It's the verse about the "empty vessel".

[dollfus46]

Obama is mentioned in the bible. It's the verse about the "empty vessel".
Hussain? Heh heh heh. They avoid that name like leprosy. Ole Barack Hussain Obama, President of the U.S. Holy Chit! I think that's weird.:smt103

[Conveyor Belt]

Where did Sue's Post go?

What's that noise? Black helicopters?

[Conveyor Belt]

It's really not that hard to find the information on what Obama's platforms are. I think it's funny that people always want to attack him on non issues rather than trying to take him on an issue basis.

I tell you what a cult is, the people supporting McCain... how can they do THAT??? I can understand Obama, but what does McCain offer???

[jojobeans1120]

It's really not that hard to find the information on what Obama's platforms are. I think it's funny that people always want to attack him on non issues rather than trying to take him on an issue basis.

I tell you what a cult is, the people supporting McCain... how can they do THAT??? I can understand Obama, but what does McCain offer???



Hillary=Obama=McCain

Just the way I see it!

[Conveyor Belt]

Hillary=Obama=McCain

Just the way I see it!

On direction of the country, I'll agree with you. However, I think that Hillary and McCain will be sources of contention for the next 4 years. I think Obama might be able to get us together and at least learn to live together without all this venom spewing out.

That's just my optimistic viewpoint.

[CircusRide]

On direction of the country, I'll agree with you. However, I think that Hillary and McCain will be sources of contention for the next 4 years. I think Obama might be able to get us together and at least learn to live together without all this venom spewing out.

That's just my optimistic viewpoint.

And if you really believe that, I've got some beach front property in Hot Coffee, MS I'll sell you.
Hussain has yet to tell anyone about this glorious change he continually speaks of. He's a good speaker. Other than that, he's got nothing.
But, maybe he'll push the same ideas his church pushes. That'd be great!
By the way, he was just recently deemed the most liberal person in the presidential race. That's scary considering Hitlary is in it.

[firefly]

Hussain? Heh heh heh. They avoid that name like leprosy. Ole Barack Hussain Obama, President of the U.S. Holy Chit! I think that's weird.:smt103 Dollfus, that's not only weird, it's downright SCARY!!!:smt118:ohnoes:

[Conveyor Belt]

And if you really believe that, I've got some beach front property in Hot Coffee, MS I'll sell you.
Hussain has yet to tell anyone about this glorious change he continually speaks of. He's a good speaker. Other than that, he's got nothing.
But, maybe he'll push the same ideas his church pushes. That'd be great!
By the way, he was just recently deemed the most liberal person in the presidential race. That's scary considering Hitlary is in it.

You don't need a secret decoder ring to read his website.

For that matter, no candidate has layed down EXACTLY what they're going to do during a media sound clip or in a debate... EVER (that I recall).

By your definition, all candidates of every recent presidential race had nothing.

[CircusRide]

I've been to his website. It told me nothing. It's the same old, same old. I'm going to do this and that but he doesn't tell us HOW he's going to do it. That's what everyone of them is doing. None of them have a plan of action to acheive their supposed goals.

[dollfus46]

Hillary=Obama=McCain

Just the way I see it!

Right on, Jojo. I'm going to have a field day blasting any one of these three pieces of crap for the next four years. I can't win in this election. I can only lose. But, I will vote. I really hate to take the time and use the gas to go do it. But It's my responsibility I think, as a free African/French American.

[Conveyor Belt]

I've been to his website. It told me nothing. It's the same old, same old. I'm going to do this and that but he doesn't tell us HOW he's going to do it. That's what everyone of them is doing. None of them have a plan of action to acheive their supposed goals.

On energy:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/#set-america-on-path-to
The Problem

Foreign Oil: America's 20-million-barrel-a-day oil habit costs our economy $1.4 billion a day, and $500 billion in 2006 alone. Every single hour, we spend $41 million on foreign oil.

Climate Change: As a result of climate change, glaciers are melting faster; the polar ice caps are shrinking; trees are blooming earlier; more people are dying in heat waves; species are migrating, and eventually many will become extinct.
Barack Obama's Plan
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050

* Cap and Trade: Obama supports implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Obama's cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits to be auctioned. A 100 percent auction ensures that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these emission rights away to coal and oil companies. Some of the revenue generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the development of clean energy, to invest in energy efficiency improvements, and to address transition costs, including helping American workers affected by this economic transition.
* Confront Deforestation and Promote Carbon Sequestration: Obama will develop domestic incentives that reward forest owners, farmers, and ranchers when they plant trees, restore grasslands, or undertake farming practices that capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Invest in a Clean Energy Future

* Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.
* Double Energy Research and Development Funding: Obama will double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.
* Invest in a Skilled Clean Technologies Workforce: Obama will use proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program to invest in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry.
* Convert our Manufacturing Centers into Clean Technology Leaders: Obama will establish a federal investment program to help manufacturing centers modernize and Americans learn the new skills they need to produce green products.
* Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund: Obama will create a Clean Technologies Venture Capital Fund to fill a critical gap in U.S. technology development. Obama will invest $10 billion per year into this fund for five years. The fund will partner with existing investment funds and our National Laboratories to ensure that promising technologies move beyond the lab and are commercialized in the U.S
* Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
* Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology: Obama will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.


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I don't know how much more detailed a candidate could be at this point in a campaign. There's much more than this written on the link.

What exactly are you looking for, CR? I know you're not in Obama's camp, I'm just tired of people saying he's for 'nothing' when he's got lots and lots of plans layed out.

[Conveyor Belt]

BTW, there are .PDF files at the bottom of that link and other areas of the site that give more detailed plans, if that's what you are interested in.

[dollfus46]

Dollfus, that's not only weird, it's downright SCARY!!!:smt118:ohnoes:

Can't you just read the newspaper article about a mideast summit? Which attendee is ours?:bowrofl:

[firefly]

Can't you just read the newspaper article about a mideast summit? Which attendee is ours?:bowrofl: Remember this little jewel: "Above all else ALLEGIANCE TO MOTHER AFRICA!!!":smt118:smt118:smt118

[Luvia]

It's really not that hard to find the information on what Obama's platforms are. I think it's funny that people always want to attack him on non issues rather than trying to take him on an issue basis.

My problem with him *is* his stance on the issues. I think it's funny that people like him because of non-issues, and fail to read information about his platforms. I've talked to several people lately who are voting on him because...he gave a good speech, he stands for change (gimme a break), and because he's inspiring. GAG@!!! I asked them what he believes in regarding (fill in the blank) and they have no idea.

I wish I *could* vote for him--as he is the most likeable candidate, but I'm not going to vote for someone because I like their rock star personality.

His ideas on immigration alone knock him out of the running in my book. I also disagree with his ideas on education, although that would take me a while to explain, because his stance looks good on paper... I disagree on many of his stances (not all, but many).

I also read he supports women registering for the draft. Hillary, too, for that matter.

I realize I will never agree with a candidate 100%. However, on big issues that are meaningful to me...I will have to agree before I cast my vote.

[Remington]

CB, that link you showed about his beliefs and his plan on energy show why we should be terrified by the guy. Luckily, none of his crazy ideas will ever get through.

[dreamhippy]

All that big spending on energy, etc. after BUSH has already doubled our National Debt should give us pause. Global warming IS A MYTH TO GET YOUR MONEY! Don`t get me wrong. I am for a cleaner, more beautiful, and sweeter-smelling America, but our National Debt can only continue to grow for so long without the ballast of a thriving economy before the entire nation tanks like the unsinkable TITANIC! The National Debt must be addressed! The economy is not thriving now and will probably not improve in spite of BUSH`s "borrow-from-your-future-to-pay-for-today idealogy borrowed from Democrats so-called stimulus plan. The economy really doesn`t need more giant borrowing against it for "feel-good" legislation.

[Conveyor Belt]

CB, that link you showed about his beliefs and his plan on energy show why we should be terrified by the guy. Luckily, none of his crazy ideas will ever get through.

But it shows that he does have a plan and not 'nothing'. That was my point in the post.

I'm 180 degrees out of phase with the guy politically, but I'll vote for him over McCain.

[SueScribe]

Well, Hello Sue. I see you're back with the same charming ways you left here with. :-D I thought we could disagree without the hateful personal attacks.

Dollfus, I'm not inclined to sit quietly by while "hateful personal attacks" are leveled ar a Black man and a woman.

What I find most interesting about the "dialogue" on this board - particularly anything of a political nature is this:

One man's/woman's "hateful personal attacks" is another's fodder for discord. It should be clear to me by now that there are those much more inclined to reduce themselves to bigotry, couched in opinion, and "freeping" clothed as genuine inquiry.

There is not one - NOT one - example of serious, intellectual discussion about politics that begins on these boards that aren't soon "flamed" for the pure enjoyment of hateful, spiteful attacks. Why is this, one might ask?

The answer is fairly simple:

There is fear in the hustings that the Old is giving way to the New, that an entirely NEW generation of Ameircans have resolved to seize the moment, and throw The Bums Out.

For that - Thank God For THEM!!

[Luvia]

I'm going to politely refer back to the article link in the first post of this thread.

*cough*

Wow.

[dreamhippy]

My Dad suggests he and others might vote for Obama just to send a message that he/they (and by extension, the country) is/are not racist. I feel no need to do that, as I know my heart. I will vote against the man because I believe another is the better man, and NOT because I am racist against him. I will vote against Hillary for the same reason; because I believe there is a better (and less Socialistic) choice. I can only sometimes, on rare special occasions read the minds of others. I`m pretty sure the best mind readers aren`t much better at it than I am. I do not question my motives concerning my vote against Obama, so I wonder why anyone else would want to. I am sure that I am in good company.

[firefly]

I am not a racist. Had Colin Powell decided to run for President, I would have voted for him.

[dreamhippy]

I personally think Alan Keyes would make an excellent VP for my personal candidate of choice. They have differing views on the War, but everything else is pretty much a good match up. Because both are true conservatives, both are ignored by the media.

[dollfus46]

I am not a racist. Had Colin Powell decided to run for President, I would have voted for him.
"Racist" has been tossed around so freely at anyone who takes issue with a black person, that I pay no attention to it anymore. It's obvious that I'm not a racist, but that's a label that the label haters love to hang on someone. "Yo Mama" is a phrase we've all used. Has nothing to do with race. Sounds more Southern to me. In fact, in order to be fair, I hung "cutsey" (sic) names on everybody. Shrillary, McBane, Conme, Huckleberry, Demoncrats and Repugnicans. Everyone who hated Bush has all sorts of names for him and it's funny. Make fun of a Liberal and it's a different ballgame. Bush, Shrub, Dubya, Little Caesar. I pay no attention to some people's ad hominem remarks. I suggest you try to do likewise Firefly. No one knows your heart better than you. This world does not belong only to those who have a propensity for delivering their accusatory bile the loudest nor most often. :smt023

[Conveyor Belt]

I think having a black president would do a lot for blacks in America. And having one who values education so much. I donno. Someone needs to open the eyes of these young ignorant kids who believe everything they hear in a rap song and everything they see on BET and music videos. There's more to life than 'stacks'.

[dollfus46]

I think having a black president would do a lot for blacks in America. And having one who values education so much. I donno. Someone needs to open the eyes of these young ignorant kids who believe everything they hear in a rap song and everything they see on BET and music videos. There's more to life than 'stacks'.
Good point, CB. Might get them away from their admiration of rappers, drug dealers, and pro sports heroes and realize that's not the real world. Education and assimulation into the real world is where it's at. I'd rather Colin Powell be the one to do that though. The other side of that is, what happens if people disrespect him as much as they do Clinton or Bush? How will blacks react to that?

[Luvia]

I think having a black president would do a lot for blacks in America. And having one who values education so much. I donno. Someone needs to open the eyes of these young ignorant kids who believe everything they hear in a rap song and everything they see on BET and music videos. There's more to life than 'stacks'.

I do agree that having a black president would be a good role model for children. A woman president would do wonders for a lot of young girls too...but it would have to be the *right* man/woman for the job.

I've said from the beginning that I'd love to vote for Obama or Hillary--and have read and read to try to find some way I could do it in good conscience. However, I don't want to "settle" just because someone is a certain race/nationality/gender/religion. That's just as wrong as being racist, in my opinion.

To be honest, having a decent president--one with common sense, integrity, solid political stances, etc would do wonders for us ALL as a nation. God knows we need some help--not just women, not just black people--but our country as a whole.

[SueScribe]

Obama is mentioned in the bible. It's the verse about the "empty vessel".

Perhaps, since you didn't specify which bible you are quoting, my comments may be entirely off-the-mark. My sincerest apologies if they are.

However, I dragged down my very heavy and thorough copy of "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible", checked the Main Concordance, the Appendix To The Main Concordance, the Topical Index To The Bible, the Dictionary of the Hebrew Bible, and the Dictionary Of The Greek Testament, and found no - none - nada - zip - mention of the word "obama" in any language, form, context or composition.

I did find a few references to "bush", primarily under the sub-text "burning."

Could you please provide the verse?

[firefly]

"Racist" has been tossed around so freely at anyone who takes issue with a black person, that I pay no attention to it anymore. It's obvious that I'm not a racist, but that's a label that the label haters love to hang on someone. "Yo Mama" is a phrase we've all used. Has nothing to do with race. Sounds more Southern to me. In fact, in order to be fair, I hung "cutsey" (sic) names on everybody. Shrillary, McBane, Conme, Huckleberry, Demoncrats and Repugnicans. Everyone who hated Bush has all sorts of names for him and it's funny. Make fun of a Liberal and it's a different ballgame. Bush, Shrub, Dubya, Little Caesar. I pay no attention to some people's ad hominem remarks. I suggest you try to do likewise Firefly. No one knows your heart better than you. This world does not belong only to those who have a propensity for delivering their accusatory bile the loudest nor most often. :smt023 AMEN, Brother!!!:smt023

[firefly]

Perhaps, since you didn't specify which bible you are quoting, my comments may be entirely off-the-mark. My sincerest apologies if they are.

However, I dragged down my very heavy and thorough copy of "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible", checked the Main Concordance, the Appendix To The Main Concordance, the Topical Index To The Bible, the Dictionary of the Hebrew Bible, and the Dictionary Of The Greek Testament, and found no - none - nada - zip - mention of the word "obama" in any language, form, context or composition.

I did find a few references to "bush", primarily under the sub-text "burning."

Could you please provide the verse? Oh, come on!!! That is a ridiculous statement about the burning bush! GW Bush is a human being, not a plant!:thumbs_do:mad:

[mspolitics82]

But it shows that he does have a plan and not 'nothing'. That was my point in the post.

I'm 180 degrees out of phase with the guy politically, but I'll vote for him over McCain.


Having a "plan" and having a sensible, workable, plan are two different things.....they ALL say they have plans----the question is,
"WHO HAS THE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR AMERICA?" My question, too, for most of these people, especially for Obama, the newest one on the political scene, is "Who actually designed all these "plans" for the candidates?"

And----with all due respect, why would you vote for someone who is 180 degrees out of phase with your political philosphy just to avoid voting for someone else?

Frankly, most of the ones in the race that have a chance scare the heck out of me as far as their ability to lead our country in the right direction:
commit to defending America at all costs, control frivolous spending, protect our borders and refuse amnesty to people who broke our laws to get here and are breaking our laws by taking a job as an illegal, insure that Supreme Court justice appointments are strict interpreters of the law and of the Constitution, not lawmakers from the bench; REDUCE taxes (everyone's) at every opportunity; commit to making able-bodied Americans self-dependent, not govt.-dependent; realize the LIMITED role of government in the lives of its people

Clinton and Obama don't meet any of my criteria, McCain and Huckabee fall short of being 100%, especially immigration.....so, when all is said and done, if there is no Party nominee that comes REALLY close, then I will have to make a major decision about voting.

[Conveyor Belt]

And----with all due respect, why would you vote for someone who is 180 degrees out of phase with your political philosphy just to avoid voting for someone else?

I ask myself this question everyday. I still haven't gotten a descent answer from myself on it. When I do, I'll let you guys know.

John McCain is 110 degrees out of phase with me. Clinton is 180 degrees and Obama, in retrospect, is about 170 degrees out... maybe a bit less.

I think there's more to electing Obama than just politics. I think that having a decent black President can do things to and for this country that are far past what you can put in a plan. I think Obama may be able to lead some black people out of the destructive pattern they've gotten into. Maybe they need to hear it from the mouth of a black guy for it to sink in. I don't know. All I know is, what we've done in the past isn't working, and from what I'm seeing, it's not going to get any better unless there's a change.

We're all Americans, and until someone can make everyone look toward a common goal instead of checking their pockets every second, we're going to remain a stagnant country.

I don't care about any of this Obama's Church stuff. I'm convinced that the only reason he joined any church is because of politics. America won't elect an agnostic.

[Remington]

Obama is close to 180 to me.....Hillary is around 170 and McCain is around 90. Therefore, I would be forced to vote McCain.

[dollfus46]

It's really not that hard to find the information on what Obama's platforms are. I think it's funny that people always want to attack him on non issues rather than trying to take him on an issue basis.

I tell you what a cult is, the people supporting McCain... how can they do THAT??? I can understand Obama, but what does McCain offer???

Holy CHIT! How'd I miss this challenge? I'd prolly take on Hussain with the opposite values conservatives hold. I'd imagine I could say, "Cause that's not the government's job." That would just about answer all his political tenets.
I can see how you see all religious groups as cults. So I'll give you that one. :smt023

[dollfus46]

Hillary=Obama=McCain

Just the way I see it!
What? We disagree on something? I see it. Hillary/Obama = 1/McCain:kekeke:

[dollfus46]

My problem with him *is* his stance on the issues. I think it's funny that people like him because of non-issues, and fail to read information about his platforms. I've talked to several people lately who are voting on him because...he gave a good speech, he stands for change (gimme a break), and because he's inspiring. GAG@!!! I asked them what he believes in regarding (fill in the blank) and they have no idea.

I wish I *could* vote for him--as he is the most likeable candidate, but I'm not going to vote for someone because I like their rock star personality.

His ideas on immigration alone knock him out of the running in my book. I also disagree with his ideas on education, although that would take me a while to explain, because his stance looks good on paper... I disagree on many of his stances (not all, but many).

I also read he supports women registering for the draft. Hillary, too, for that matter.

I realize I will never agree with a candidate 100%. However, on big issues that are meaningful to me...I will have to agree before I cast my vote.
He is. He's a heckuva nice guy. On the other hand, McCain can be a dick. (That's a cop) I'm not voting on personality. I'm voting on protecting our country, closing the borders, lower taxes, less gov't intervention and anti socialist policies. That puts me more in McCain's camp. I also believe in a military draft. I've said before it would hurt no one to give two years of their life to the peace corps or the military. Take your pick.