McCain- Hit'n it with a lobbiest?

[CircusRide]

So.......Did Mr. McCain hit it? Did he provide other favors for the telecommunications groups? Interesting. Can't wait to see how this plays out. Heck, it might actually make him seem more normal if he did have an affair, which seems strange but somewhat true.

[Bluesman]

I don't think he did but if he did then what's the big deal??? I mean as long as he used a cigar and left a stain on her dress then it should be a forgiveable offense right???;)

[Conveyor Belt]

Won't make much difference to those in his camp already. Those out of his camp and going to point and yell foul.

[hendrixfreak70]

He has had numerous affairs before, not that I know personally but this despicable shithead left his first wife (I think it was his first) once she became disabled, and of course he admits that he cheated on his wife. What a dickhead.

[Conveyor Belt]

What this does do, is that it keeps Hucakbee supporters from launching behind McCain, which they're reluctant to do anyhow. It opens the door wide open for our new President Obama.

[hendrixfreak70]

Obama is McCain, just a different shade.

[dollfus46]

Obama is McCain, just a different shade.
I have to disagree with you on that one. Nothing close. We can start with experience, taxes, national health care, the war in Iraq . Are you kidding me? But we'll have to see about the affair. Admitedly, I've only heard FOX but I just woke up...again. Sounds like a hit job by the NYT with no proof whatsoever. All of it is unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo at this time, but I'll follow it. When did this happen? 8 years or more ago?:kekeke:

[hendrixfreak70]

I could rebut yet I don't think it matters. They're both liberals, anything else is inconsequential.

[hendrixfreak70]

BTW he has admitted he has had an affair.

[hendrixfreak70]

Hell I can't find it now. Oh well, doesnt matter. They're all commies.

[dollfus46]

Hell I can't find it now. Oh well, doesnt matter. They're all commies.
communists? Quasi-socialists perhaps.;) I'd call Obama and Hillary socialists, but not McCain. I see, if only in my mind, a huge difference in a liberal Republican (Moderate) and a far left Democrat (Socialist).

[hendrixfreak70]

Well several years in Hanoi Hilton kinda makes him, by proxy if nothing else, a Manchurian Candidate. Thusly and also a commie, just my O though. :)

[dollfus46]

Well several years in Hanoi Hilton kinda makes him, by proxy if nothing else, a Manchurian Candidate. Thusly and also a commie, just my O though. :)
You're a funny guy.:bowrofl:I'm sure McCain enjoyed the torture so much he joined the "party."
Frankly, I'm not nearly as bent about him playing hide the weasel with frau Iseman, but I do get upset about the idea he may have "traded" sex for his vote. Unfortunatly they all do it, but those who do should be banned from political office forever. It's called "being on the take." Dishonest. Crooked. Selling out his country.

[hendrixfreak70]

Rather he enjoyed it or not is not the point. That long as a POW your captors can do many things, one of which may/may not include brainwashing. That was the point. Most POW are not willing participants, but that doesn't stop captors from brainwashing.

[chaz]

You left out the part where his wife was injured while he was a POW. He came back as a different person to his wife, who was different. They didn't divorce until several years later.

[hendrixfreak70]

Actually I didn't miss that part. I said it a few lines before that one.

[Hermione]

Wasnt this all investigated some time ago? Why is it just now coming out? I'm suspicious of any "dirt" that suddenly appears when a race begins to look close.

[Hermione]

Oh, by the way, the comment that McCain sold out to the Communists is vile.

[hendrixfreak70]

Hell it happened to Ron Paul.

[hendrixfreak70]

How is it vile?

[kevin]

He's a Hero! That Communist crap is just that crap! I quess John Wayne was a Drag Queen.

[hendrixfreak70]

A hero? Damn, we need to redefine the word now.

[hendrixfreak70]

So I guess for the 'right', whatever that means, John Kerry is a 'hero'. John Murtha?

[dollfus46]

He's a Hero! That Communist crap is just that crap! I quess John Wayne was a Drag Queen.
That visual is hilarious! John Wayne-Drag Queen.:laugh: That's almost sacrilegious to even suggest that in jest. Heh heh heh.

[dollfus46]

A hero? Damn, we need to redefine the word now.
C'mon, Hendrix, you aren't usually as off the wall as this. Had a PST test lately?;)

[dollfus46]

So I guess for the 'right', whatever that means, John Kerry is a 'hero'. John Murtha?

You're really pissed at something else. JK and JM should be put in front of a firing squad along with Durbin and Reid. No comparison.:smt102

[hendrixfreak70]

Selling out comrades, according to his fellow POWs, voting for more illegal immigration, and the million other dirtbag things he has done is enough for me not to call him a hero.

[dollfus46]

You're certainly free to do so. But a communist or a socialist. You just can't fit that in anywhere. Dirtbag? Rave on, kid.:smt009

[hendrixfreak70]

You're really pissed at something else. JK and JM should be put in front of a firing squad along with Durbin and Reid. No comparison.:smt102

Not mad at anything ever unless it is politics. I am angered that the Republican party has lost its way. I would rather cut my wrist than vote for Mike Huckabee so that will let you know how much I despise McCain.

[kevin]

McCain is gonna be the man whether we like it or not. I'm truly hoping for Newt Gingrich to be his Running mate!

[dollfus46]

McCain is gonna be the man whether we like it or not. I'm truly hoping for Newt Gingrich to be his Running mate!
I think it will be Condi Rice. I said that months ago. Sne offsets Hillary and Obama. And she's Southern. An expert on Russia. She has the foreign policy skills. She's black and she's female and she's very very bright.

[hendrixfreak70]

I've noticed an evolution of sorts with some of you guys. You start out loving someone in the party, they drop out, you go with someone else, they drop out, now the very man that EVERY 'conservative' commentator despises some of you rush out and defend them. There is not one traditional 'conservative' bone in McCain's body. And BTW, McCain is not my man. The best thing that can happen to the GOP is they and the Dems get into a fight and finish one another off. I will vote third party so my conscience will be clear. The two party system is absolutely killing us, along with government.

[kevin]

I think it will be Condi Rice. I said that months ago. Sne offsets Hillary and Obama. And she's Southern. An expert on Russia. She has the foreign policy skills. She's black and she's female and she's very very bright.


That would have been my second choice. She would do well and save the Party!

[dollfus46]

That would have been my second choice. She would do well and save the Party!
Yeppo. Bush single handedly destroyed the Repubican party. I'm not saying I don't agree with his going into Iraq, but he should have sold the idea first, just like Afghanistan.

[fuzzis]

I think it will be Condi Rice. I said that months ago. Sne offsets Hillary and Obama. And she's Southern. An expert on Russia. She has the foreign policy skills. She's black and she's female and she's very very bright.

I don't see that happening. Ever.

[dollfus46]

I don't see that happening. Ever. Might not. I'm just guessing. I don't exactly have a hotline to Washington. But that would throw a wrench into the motor. :laugh: Why do you think it won't happen? You're McCain and have to make a choice......

[Conveyor Belt]

No, Rice is connected with Bush, and no one connected with Bush in any way is going to fly. It wouldn't matter if McCain had Jesus as his running mate... Obama's still gonna win this one.

[fuzzis]

Might not. I'm just guessing. I don't exactly have a hotline to Washington. But that would throw a wrench into the motor. :laugh: Why do you think it won't happen? You're McCain and have to make a choice......

She doesn't want it. She wants to go back to Stanford. Much less pressure and scrutiny.

And besides, CB is right. Anyone associated with Bush is tainted...and she's much, much too closely associated. In lots of ways.

[kevin]

Obama is gonna be like any other fad. One day it's here and the other it's gone.

[Conveyor Belt]

Obama is gonna be like any other fad. One day it's here and the other it's gone.

They said that about Elvis and the Beatles, too...

He's a fad that's lasted since 2004... I don't know why he'd die out any time soon.

[dollfus46]

She doesn't want it. She wants to go back to Stanford. Much less pressure and scrutiny.

And besides, CB is right. Anyone associated with Bush is tainted...and she's much, much too closely associated. In lots of ways.

Now that's and excellent point. Her connection to Bush would not help McCain, especially since he's bucked Bush more than a few times. She can also make a thousand times more money on speaking engagements than as VP. But this white racist boy would surely consider her for President one day.:smt023

[amanda]

You're really pissed at something else. JK and JM should be put in front of a firing squad along with Durbin and Reid. No comparison.:smt102


You know, I really don't care which party a person is with - but if they have served their country as McCain, Kerry and Murtha have done - then NO ONE should question it or suggest that they should be put in front of a firing squad or a that they are communist. Put party affiliation aside when it comes to their service.

[fuzzis]

They said that about Elvis and the Beatles, too...

He's a fad that's lasted since 2004... I don't know why he'd die out any time soon.

I read something last week about the way he's run this campaign. He's been nigh on to flawless. He has learned the lessons of history well, apparently. It's going to take a major misstep on his part, and I don't see that happening, given how careful he's been over the last year of campaigning.

[dollfus46]

You know, I really don't care which party a person is with - but if they have served their country as McCain, Kerry and Murtha have done - then NO ONE should question it or suggest that they should be put in front of a firing squad or a that they are communist. Put party affiliation aside when it comes to their service.
I find them to be traitors now, regardless of what they did 50 years ago. I don't have the authority to order it, so it's a moot point. They are as offensive today as Hanoi Jane was in the 60's. Murtha, in fact, is getting the living chit sued out of him by a soldier who served in Iraq. And he will win, since he's been absolved of all accusations. Yep. I'd try them all for treason if I could. Let a jury find them innocent if they want to. But, I agree with you. The firing squad solution was a bit rash.;)

[hendrixfreak70]

I find them to be traitors now, regardless of what they did 50 years ago. I don't have the authority to order it, so it's a moot point. They are as offensive today as Hanoi Jane was in the 60's. Murtha, in fact, is getting the living chit sued out of him by a soldier who served in Iraq. And he will win, since he's been absolved of all accusations. Yep. I'd try them all for treason if I could. Let a jury find them innocent if they want to. But, I agree with you. The firing squad solution was a bit rash.;)

See for the same reasons you say that JM and JK need to be brought up on treason charges, I say McCain along with Kerry for sure needs too as well.

[dreamhippy]

The hate crime legislation sposored by John McCain and others which deigns some people`s dead bodies worth more than another person`s dead body before the law, based solely on skin color or sexual orientation, are just one example of why John McCan`t cannot be my candidate of choice. Such obviously discriminatory and racist legislation should never ever have been passed. EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW should ALWAYS mean EQUAL! Remember, JUSTICE is supposed to be blind. It should be obvious to anyone with sense that murder is ALWAYS A "HATE CRIME", no matter what a victim`s complection or pet perversions. Murder is always a crime. Adding extra penalties to the sentence of those that murder select protected groups is in my opinion merely pandering to those protected groups as a voting block.

He could be completely innocent of all the charges of indiscretion and still be complete loser.

[firefly]

No, Rice is connected with Bush, and no one connected with Bush in any way is going to fly. It wouldn't matter if McCain had Jesus as his running mate... Obama's still gonna win this one. Obama isn't GOD! The Devil, maybe, but he isn't God!:evil:

[dollfus46]

See for the same reasons you say that JM and JK need to be brought up on treason charges, I say McCain along with Kerry for sure needs too as well.

Call me stupid, big guy, but I don't see it.McCain isn't my choice by a long shot either, but he doesn't call our soldiers murderers and say other things to break their will to fight. That's not supporting our troops. That's a whole lot different from being against the war.:smt102

[dollfus46]

The hate crime legislation sposored by John McCain and others which deigns some people`s dead bodies worth more than another person`s dead body before the law, based solely on skin color or sexual orientation, are just one example of why John McCan`t cannot be my candidate of choice. Such obviously discriminatory and racist legislation should never ever have been passed. EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW should ALWAYS mean EQUAL! Remember, JUSTICE is supposed to be blind. It should be obvious to anyone with sense that murder is ALWAYS A "HATE CRIME", no matter what a victim`s complection or pet perversions. Murder is always a crime. Adding extra penalties to the sentence of those that murder select protected groups is in my opinion merely pandering to those protected groups as a voting block.

He could be completely innocent of all the charges of indiscretion and still be complete loser.
I can't disagree with anything you've said. But he's better than either of the Dems, in my opinion, particularly if we have a Dem Congress, and a possible Supreme Court appointee.:ohnoes: But again, I don't think the Republicans will ever let another Ginsburg or Suter on the Court. Suter lied like a dog to get his nomination. There wasn't a hint of "living,breathing, evolving Constitution" in any of his testimony.:kekeke:

[Reason]

So, I just read the article in the NYT, and only a third of it deals with the alleged affair, and when it does mention it, it makes it clear it is only ALLEGED, stating McCain and Iseman both deny it, and it is always in the context of her role as a lobbyist.

The rest of the article deals with the ethical flubs throughout his career.

The article ALREADY STATED HE DENIED THE CLAIMS. So, it seems to me, this is no big deal and McCain's return volley was all for show. He, with help from FOX and CNN, managed to steer everyone away from the point of the article.

Is the article valid? Yes.
Should the NYT have run it? Yes, but as soon as they had the information.
Are FOX and CNN only interested in ratings? Yes.

[virgo]

What the McCain article didn't say (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24pubed.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Very interesting piece from Clark Hoyt, the public editor of the NYT.

[kevin]

This was just all an attempt to smear the man's name to hurt his party .They wouldn't dare go after a Democrat at Election time.

[dollfus46]

What the McCain article didn't say (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24pubed.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Very interesting piece from Clark Hoyt, the public editor of the NYT.
Keller is a piece of human excrement. So is the NYT for that matter as far as their political pieces are concerned. It's my understanding that their readership is tanking, the profits are tanking and their stock is tanking.
Nobody "missed the point." Everybody GOT the point. That's what the bruhahah is all about.

[dreamhippy]

Let us all pray for brokered conventions!

[dollfus46]

So, I just read the article in the NYT, and only a third of it deals with the alleged affair, and when it does mention it, it makes it clear it is only ALLEGED, stating McCain and Iseman both deny it, and it is always in the context of her role as a lobbyist.

The rest of the article deals with the ethical flubs throughout his career.

The article ALREADY STATED HE DENIED THE CLAIMS. So, it seems to me, this is no big deal and McCain's return volley was all for show. He, with help from FOX and CNN, managed to steer everyone away from the point of the article.

Is the article valid? Yes.
Should the NYT have run it? Yes, but as soon as they had the information.
Are FOX and CNN only interested in ratings? Yes.

It's all horsechit. Let's bring up Hillary's White Water stuff. Insider trader stuff, Travel gate, Falling on her face heading up National Health Ins. All the dead bodies associated with the Clintons. Hiding her bills and refusing to turn them over. Getting her hands on CIA classified stuff.
It was a hatchet job on McCain with smear and innuendo. Pure and simple. Otherwise why bring it up at all?:smt102 As for the Keating Five involvement:
But the investigation found that he was the least culpable, along with Glenn. McCain attended the meetings but did nothing afterward to stop Lincoln's death spiral.

[dreamhippy]

It was probably brought up to make us forget the REAL stuff that is there to find on him. McCain got free publicity and sympathy, while the paper got ratings. Freedom of the press, it`s a win-win situation!

[kevin]

I wonder if the NY times can get how many times Obama says "I have a dream" in one week?

[dreamhippy]

MLK plagiarized it, why shouldn`t O`bama? It worked out okay for MLK.

[kevin]

Obama is guilty of patchwork plagerism evertime he opens his mouth though in public!