Nader Running for President

[fuzzis]

Nader running for president (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23319781/)

Consumer advocate announces third-party bid on ‘Meet the Press’

...The consumer advocate made the announcement Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." He says most Americans are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties, and that none of the presidential contenders are addressing ways to stem corporate crime and Pentagon waste and promote labor rights.

Nader also ran as a third-party candidate in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. He is still loathed by many Democrats who call him a spoiler and claim his candidacy in 2000 cost the party the election by siphoning votes away from Al Gore in a razor-thin contest in Florida.

Last month, Nader began an exploratory presidential campaign and launched a Web site that promises to fight "corporate greed, corporate power, corporate control."

Nader's appearance on "Meet the Press" was announced Friday in an e-mail message from Nader's exploratory campaign. The message from "The Nader Team" urges supporters to tell friends and family to watch the show and requests online contributions....

I don't know if I believe in the spoiler effect. I think third party candidates attract voters who in fact would not have voted for a Democrat or a Republican in the first place.

If Nader (and other possible third party candidates) want to join the race, I say let them.

[Dixie Tree Slayer]

Ah Fuzzis... The people who have followed this man in the past have typically leaned more to the Democratic side of things in the past than the Republican... Just as Ross Perot did for the Republicans back when Clinton was the challenger Republicans blamed Perot's team of splitting the Republicans and caused Bush Sr. the Presicency... But funny the words of Perot are now true instead of mere prophesy... "You hear that huge sucking sound? That the sound of American jobs going to Mexico..." Only now the Mexicans are here and sending out their earnings back home while they work...

[Luvia]

At least Nader has some real accomplishments. Doesn't mean I'd vote for him, as I lean more toward conservative...but I have more respect for him than Hillary and Obama, for sure.

There's a good documentary on Nader called "An Unreasonable Man".

[SoMissTV]

Let him run. He's not "stealing votes"; he's earning them from voters who believe in what he's saying.

[Luvia]

Let him run. He's not "stealing votes"; he's earning them from voters who believe in what he's saying.

No...not stealing votes at all. No one steals votes because NO ONE is entitled to my vote in the first place!! I'm so sick of the entitlement mentality!

[dollfus46]

Ah Fuzzis... The people who have followed this man in the past have typically leaned more to the Democratic side of things in the past than the Republican... Just as Ross Perot did for the Republicans back when Clinton was the challenger Republicans blamed Perot's team of splitting the Republicans and caused Bush Sr. the Presicency... But funny the words of Perot are now true instead of mere prophesy... "You hear that huge sucking sound? That the sound of American jobs going to Mexico..." Only now the Mexicans are here and sending out their earnings back home while they work...
Sure, he'll pull votes from the Democrats but he's free to do as he pleases. I'm sure the Dems don't like it. They say he cost Gore the election and I believe that. It's also going to get Obama and Hillary to widen their campaign speeches to cover tree hugging.:bowrofl: Don't get me wrong. I think Nader is an Egomaniac and pretty much worthless as far as American politics go. He won't get anymore votes than Ron Paul.

[thrillseeker]

I say if he wants to run and has the money and means to run let him. It cant hurt at this point in the game.

[CircusRide]

A third party will never gather respect or momentum by letting knuckleheads like Nadar jump in the race last minute. They need to run a full-fledged campaign.

[SueScribe]

Let him run. He's not "stealing votes"; he's earning them from voters who believe in what he's saying.

Problem is, he's not saying anything that I, or you, can't say. Ralph Nader is older than McCain, and is an Egomanical dud. He tried this same "stunt" in 2004, at the last minute, and couldn't even garner enough names on petitions to get his butt on the ballots in enough states to matter.

Nader is like a cyclical Santa Claus, who comes out every four years or so, just to remind everyone he's still alive.

I caught him on Meet The Press this morning. Same-0, Same-0 for Nader. His Consumer Crusades are over, and now he's looking to draw money from people on his website for purposes OTHER than a serious run for the presidency.

Of course, as in 2000, there may - I say, MAY - be enough foolish rich Republicans who'll throw the maximum they can at the man, 'just to see' what he can or cannot do, vis-a-vis getting his name on a plurality of state ballots. It didn't work in 2004, and it ain't gonna work now, and even well-heeled Republicans know that's the case. Nader's a clown, but then, I suppose Tim Russert has to bring in a clown from time to time.

I say if he wants to run and has the money and means to run let him. It cant hurt at this point in the game.

See above.

A third party will never gather respect or momentum by letting knuckleheads like Nadar jump in the race last minute. They need to run a full-fledged campaign.

Finally, a Reasonable Voice Crying Out in the Political Wilderness . . .

[Conveyor Belt]

I thought Nader pulled 4% the last election. He pulled 8% his first time out. You can imagine that those votes would have gone democrat, and we'd be looking at a different whitehouse in 2000 and 2004.

This time, it's countered by Paul. Paul will run 3rd party and pull on the repub side. Nader will pull on the left. However, both Obama and Clinton are pretty far left, so it's hard to imagine how far left he's going to have to go to pull any votes from them.

What's left, it the middle. McCain can get it if he runs middle, but he's going to have to run a bit right to shore up the repub base, which he doesn't have. Hell, I'm not 100% convinced that something won't happen at the convention and the repubs come away with a different nominee. McCain can't win. Anyone with a brain can see that.

Obama will pull this one out and win if the players in play now keep staying the same.

[SueScribe]

I thought Nader pulled 4% the last election.

If you mean, by "the last election", the 2004 race? He wasn't ON the ballot.

What's left, it the middle. McCain can get it if he runs middle, but he's going to have to run a bit right to shore up the repub base, which he doesn't have. Hell, I'm not 100% convinced that something won't happen at the convention and the repubs come away with a different nominee. McCain can't win. Anyone with a brain can see that.

It (that) wouldn't surprise me, particularly if the Times doesn't wait for him to GET the nomination.

Obama will pull this one out and win if the players in play now keep staying the same.

I agree. And when he does? He has to deliver, or - Buh-Bye Barack in 2012.

[SueScribe]

Paul will run 3rd party and pull on the repub side.

Ron Paul has stated, repeatedly, that he will not run as a third-party candidate. I think he's still in this race for the same reason Huckabee is still in:

They're having the time of their lives AND putting their faces out there for the public to see, just in case something pops a few years from now, or something is offered to either of them by McCain (if he wins, and that's a BIG "if").

[dollfus46]

Ron Paul has stated, repeatedly, that he will not run as a third-party candidate. I think he's still in this race for the same reason Huckabee is still in:

They're having the time of their lives AND putting their faces out there for the public to see, just in case something pops a few years from now, or something is offered to either of them by McCain (if he wins, and that's a BIG "if").
I think I would be out there too, contributions permitting.;)

[Pirate_129]

I thought Nader pulled 4% the last election. He pulled 8% his first time out.

If you mean, by "the last election", the 2004 race? He wasn't ON the ballot.



According to CNN, Nader got a little over 400,000 votes or around 1%nationwide including a bit over 3,000 in Mississippi in the 2004 election.

The same source shows Nader with almost 2,900,000 votes or 2.74% nationwide and almost 9,000 in the Magnolia State in 2000.

[Conveyor Belt]

Ron Paul has stated, repeatedly, that he will not run as a third-party candidate. I think he's still in this race for the same reason Huckabee is still in:

They're having the time of their lives AND putting their faces out there for the public to see, just in case something pops a few years from now, or something is offered to either of them by McCain (if he wins, and that's a BIG "if").

When pressed on Meet the Press, Paul would not commit to saying he would not run if not given the Repub nod. If anything, he's continuously left the door open to run 3rd party. He started off saying he wouldn't run 3rd party, but changed his tune when he realized he wasn't going to get the repub nod.

[Dixie Tree Slayer]

A third party will never gather respect or momentum by letting knuckleheads like Nadar jump in the race last minute. They need to run a full-fledged campaign.As if the idiots that are running now have any respect? None of them have the basic morals to say anything that might not be favorable to the public... Republican or Democrat. They won't base a decision on an issue and then stand by it based on their moral beliefs. Their decisions go back and forth across the isle with the tide of public opinion...

[Mike]

He's a nut case. And therefore will draw democrat voters from whomever wins the duke-out going on at the moment.

The Repubs had to put up with the same - as has been mentioned above - from
Pee-rot, presumably costing Bush1 the election.

Where's Shawn O'Hara when we need him?

[countrygirl]

All I can say is "Lord help us." Wish there was a candidate out there that I wanted to vote for that had some sort of chance of winning..

[Baloo]

I think that I will run for President too.

[dreamhippy]

Ron Paul still has a shot! Huckabee still has a shot! IF there is a brokered convention, as there SHOULD BE, they all still have a shot! I say go Nader, go! Run your little heart out! If he DOES split the Democrat vote, well then, God bless him for that! I can carry out my plan to vote my conscience now, for sure, without fear that my doing so will result in a COMMUNIST Commander-In-Chief! :) Rock on, Nader!

[Dixie Tree Slayer]

Dream Hippy for the record (the record having nothing to do with nothing) tell me how old you are? Sometimes you post as if you are in your late twenties and other times as if you are well into your forties...

[dreamhippy]

1966 was a very good year! :)
I reckon I am just young at heart!

[fuzzis]

I think that Dems have learned a valuable lesson in the last two elections. They expected to win in 2000 and didn't. They expected to win in 2004 and didn't. In the states that Nader manages to get on the ballot, he'll pull even less than he has in the past. *That's* a trend with 3rd party candidates...the more times they're on the ballot, the fewer votes they get. His time in the sun is over, and if anything, he's going to have a very negligible impact.

I'd say that Republicans have more to fear from Paul than Dems have to fear from Nader.

[Luvia]

Ya know, I wonder what type of mentality it takes to even *want* to be President of the United States.

I think they are all nut cases...and all egomaniacs. Some are just better at fooling people. Make no mistake...we are all being played here.

My plan is to pick the least offensive nutcase egomaniac--and the one who comes the closest to my views (looking kinda poorly right now though).

I think there are rare cases of true leaders...but those people get weeded out pretty quickly and probably choose other professions. They certainly don't end up on any ticket, repub or demo.

[mspolitics82]

I think that Dems have learned a valuable lesson in the last two elections. They expected to win in 2000 and didn't. They expected to win in 2004 and didn't. In the states that Nader manages to get on the ballot, he'll pull even less than he has in the past. *That's* a trend with 3rd party candidates...the more times they're on the ballot, the fewer votes they get. His time in the sun is over, and if anything, he's going to have a very negligible impact.

I'd say that Republicans have more to fear from Paul than Dems have to fear from Nader.

Do you really think R.P. will pull a "Nader" on us? I don't think so, because I think Ron is a much more sensible man than is Nader. R. Paul knows that, outside of the part nomination, he has no chance to become President in a general election, and that all he will do is pull votes away from the Republican candidate. He said more than one time in the debates that he would not do this....while I am not a Ron Paul supporter, I do respect him very much, and tend to take him at his word in this regard.

But, if he were to do this, his independent candidacy would, in my view, nail the coffin shut for Republicans in the Presidential Election of '08.

[dreamhippy]

Ron Paul isn`t someone for Republicans to fear. We should all fear what is gonna happen if Ron Paul DOESN`T get elected. All the other candidates spell big trouble. I care not for Nader, but hope he does well, anyway, because he is definitely a better choice than some of them.

[hendrixfreak70]

I think that too is a spot on assessment. Nader is extremely liberal but from all I know about him he is NOT a part of the system. For those of who know me know what system I am talking about. I would vote for Nader, despite his liberal (extreme in some cases) views before I would vote for McCain, Clinton, or Obama. Just like I would have voted for Kucinich before the others. I am either writing Paul's name in or voting Wayne Root, the Libertarian candidate.

[Bluesman]

:clap:Go Nader! Nader '08:clap:

[jojobeans1120]

:smt105

[Bluesman]

Nader, Now that's change we can believe in.;)

[jojobeans1120]

Yeah, but he's got a snowball's chance in hell...

[dollfus46]

:clap:Go Nader! Nader '08:clap:
:laugh::laugh::clap:

[dollfus46]

Ron Paul isn`t someone for Republicans to fear. We should all fear what is gonna happen if Ron Paul DOESN`T get elected. All the other candidates spell big trouble. I care not for Nader, but hope he does well, anyway, because he is definitely a better choice than some of them.

Well, we need to panic now, 'cause Ronnie ain't gonna make it. Virgo, you wanna put a vbookie bet up? Ron Paul is the next President or Ron Paul is not the next President..:kekeke: I'm all in.

[hendrixfreak70]

Well I hope that since Nader has decided to jump in that Ron Paul will too. yet, depsite earlier me thinking he would I do not believe he is now. I said earlier and Mike agreed but said we weren't liking the message. I said it was about the message of freedom and not the Presidency. See we have several candidates for Congress that are similar to that message. So in essence he doesn't have to run on a third party. The message is out, rather you agree or not is debatable.

[jojobeans1120]

God, someone tell me this is all a bad dream? There has to be SOMEONE out there!!!

[mspolitics82]

God, someone tell me this is all a bad dream? There has to be SOMEONE out there!!!

Methinks we will see him first at the Republican National Brokered Convention of 2008!

[jojobeans1120]

McCain? PLEASE!?!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[jojobeans1120]

IF he has Ms. Rice by his side, possibly!

[mspolitics82]

McCain? PLEASE!?!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

No, no, no....I am not alluding to McCain....I think we just might see a NEW face on the scene and I think this convention just could possibly be one where delegates are going to change their commitments and wheel and deal like crazy. I hope this happens...coz I do NOT want McCain as the nominee.

[jojobeans1120]

My God, I don't either! I am a life long Republican, but I cannot in good conscience vote for McCain. I will most likely not vote at all if he's the nominee. They'd better come across with someone, and do it quickly. Republicans are dropping like flies! Huckabee is making an ass of himself at this point! I can do nothing but shake my head in disappointment. :smt009

[Conveyor Belt]

Republicans are screwed at this point. Unless some miracle happens at convention... but it's not going to. They're going to give it to McCain and he's going to stumble and fall all over himself and lose by a landslide to Obama.

[jojobeans1120]

You're exactly right. MSPoltics has foreseen some sort of miracle at the convention, but I just don't see it happenin' myself. I don't know who in the hell is going to come out of the woodworks and become a favorite to all at this point, and would they seriously turn their backs on McCain so easily?

[onlyme]

Republicans are screwed at this point. Unless some miracle happens at convention... but it's not going to. They're going to give it to McCain and he's going to stumble and fall all over himself and lose by a landslide to Obama.

Obama is going to talk McCain under table. McCain has his strengths but eloquence and an even temper are not among them IMO. When push come to shove he will lose his temper again and it's not because he is "just passionate" as his wife likes to point out.

[Conveyor Belt]

I just feel that people say John McCain should be president because he was a POW. Everything comes back to, 'but he was a POW'. So what? I'm glad he served his country. I'm sorry his plane got shot down and he got captured. I'm sorry he was tortured. I'm proud of guys like him who don't give up. However, the only thing it gives you a right to is my appreciation, not my vote.

[hendrixfreak70]

The only reason people say we should vote for Obama is because he is for 'change'. At least that has been my experience with people. So quid pro quo and of course I am not for McCain.

[dollfus46]

Republicans are screwed at this point. Unless some miracle happens at convention... but it's not going to. They're going to give it to McCain and he's going to stumble and fall all over himself and lose by a landslide to Obama.

It may happen just as you surmise. I just don't believe it though. One thing's fo sho....we'll find out soon enough.

[SueScribe]

According to CNN, Nader got a little over 400,000 votes or around 1%nationwide including a bit over 3,000 in Mississippi in the 2004 election.

The same source shows Nader with almost 2,900,000 votes or 2.74% nationwide and almost 9,000 in the Magnolia State in 2000.

There is only one problem with those numbers - they meant nothing. His name failed to make the ballot in most major electoral states, meaning, essentially, his name was NOT on the "feasible presidential ballot."

I think that Dems have learned a valuable lesson in the last two elections. They expected to win in 2000 and didn't. They expected to win in 2004 and didn't. In the states that Nader manages to get on the ballot, he'll pull even less than he has in the past. *That's* a trend with 3rd party candidates...the more times they're on the ballot, the fewer votes they get. His time in the sun is over, and if anything, he's going to have a very negligible impact.

I'd say that Republicans have more to fear from Paul than Dems have to fear from Nader.

I'd say that the Republicans have more to fear from Mike Bloomberg than Ron Paul, or Mike Huckabee, or the New York Times.

If the Times (and others) hold onto the goods on McCain's cozying up to major lobbyists until after the Convention, that will shorten Bloomberg's window to get in the race.

However, Mike Bloomberg didn't get to be a billionaire by being stupid. He knows all this and may be counciling with his people, as I type. Bloomberg could write himself a BILLION dollar check and McCain would be left in the dust. The GOP would split down the middle even more than it already has.

Nader, Now that's change we can believe in.;)

:smt118

God, someone tell me this is all a bad dream? There has to be SOMEONE out there!!!

There is, and his name is Barack Obama.

IF he has Ms. Rice by his side, possibly!

. . . speaking of "snowballs in hell" . . .

You're exactly right. MSPoltics has foreseen some sort of miracle at the convention, but I just don't see it happenin' myself. I don't know who in the hell is going to come out of the woodworks and become a favorite to all at this point, and would they seriously turn their backs on McCain so easily?

Mike Bloomberg is going to come out of the woodworks, unless he's decided it's high time the GOP learned a well-deserved lesson about party unity and the fruitlessness and futility of divisive, fear-mongering politics; and the anti-conservative *cough* position of spending this country into a large, dark hole with Communist China being our biggest Lending Institution.

[dollfus46]

I'd say that the Republicans have more to fear from Mike Bloomberg than Ron Paul, or Mike Huckabee, or the New York Times.





. . . speaking of "snowballs in hell" . . .


That's the odds of Bloomberg entering the race. Snowballs in hell.

[Bluesman]

Does Nader drive a truck? He may be the shot in the arm this country needs. Anybody whose name rhymes with 'Mater, is got to be a favorite through the trailer parks across 'Merica and when you consider how Naders run through those said parks when it ain't even an election year imagine how one may run through during an election year.:smt023

[jojobeans1120]

Are ya serious? :confused: