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Conveyor Belt
03-24-2008, 12:07 PM
This article (http://http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/endorsing-obama.aspx) rang true with me a bit. However, it's still not 100% the way I feel. I disagree with the man a bit on the Iraq part of the article and the marriage part, and a few other things.
However, I liked this part:
As a Republican, I strongly wish to preserve traditional marriage not as a suspicion or denigration of my homosexual friends, but as recognition of the significance of the procreative family as a building block of society. As a Republican, and as a Catholic, I believe life begins at conception, and it is important for every life to be given sustenance and encouragement. As a Republican, I strongly believe that the Supreme Court of the United States must be fully dedicated to the rule of law, and to the employ of a consistent method of interpretation that keeps the Court within its limited judicial role. As a Republican, I believe problems are best resolved closest to their source and that we should never arrogate to a higher level of government that which can be more effectively and efficiently resolved below. As a Republican, and the constitutional lawyer, I believe religious freedom does not mean religious separation or mindless exclusion from the public square.
In various ways, Senator Barack Obama and I may disagree on aspects of these important fundamentals, but I am convinced based upon his public pronouncements and his personal writing that on each of these questions he is not closed to understanding opposing points of view, and as best as it is humanly possible, he will respect and accommodate them.
No doubt some of my friends will see this as a matter of party or intellectual treachery. I regret that and I respect their disagreement. But they will readily agree that as Republicans, we are first Americans. As Americans, we must voice our concerns for the well-being of our nation without partisanship when decisions that have been made endanger the body politic. Our president has involved our nation in a military engagement without sufficient justification or clear objective. In so doing, he has incurred both tragic loss of life and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen. In pursuit of these fatally flawed purposes, the office of the presidency, which it was once my privilege to defend in public office formally, has been distorted beyond its constitutional assignment. Today, I do no more than raise the defense of that important office anew, but as private citizen.
dollfus46
03-24-2008, 12:29 PM
This article (http://http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/endorsing-obama.aspx) rang true with me a bit. However, it's still not 100% the way I feel. I disagree with the man a bit on the Iraq part of the article and the marriage part, and a few other things.
However, I liked this part:
I don't think it's possible to agree with everything a candidate stands for. You have to pick those things you agree on that are most important to you. Nothing wrong with that. If you've done your homework and have made an intelligent rather than an emotional decision, I applaud you. Go for it. He's just way too liberal for me. As is Hillary. As is McCain. But McCain is the most conservative running.
CircusRide
03-24-2008, 12:34 PM
I say vote for who you want to vote for. It's America and you've got that right. I can't vote for O'bama because he's the most liberal candidate available based on his past voting record.
That's the bottom line with me.
drake
03-24-2008, 12:51 PM
...and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen.
I watched a thing on CNN last night about how the war has had zero effect on the economy. They had some professors on that discussed it. I don't know much about global economics. Just reporting what I heard.
Conveyor Belt
03-24-2008, 12:57 PM
BTW, I'm not endorsing Obama at this time, it's just the headline for the thread. The article is about a guy endorsing Obama.
Me, I'm still trying to find a candidate that fits me.
Luvia
03-24-2008, 05:04 PM
Me, I'm still trying to find a candidate that fits me.
Good luck with that. I'm afraid the person who would make the best president is someone we don't know and who wouldn't dream of running.
This whole election makes me very very sad. And scared.
hendrixfreak70
03-24-2008, 06:18 PM
I watched a thing on CNN last night about how the war has had zero effect on the economy. They had some professors on that discussed it. I don't know much about global economics. Just reporting what I heard.
I am afraid that globalization is the new democracy. There is no way that spending 500 billion dollars so far on the war has not hurt our economy.
virgo
03-24-2008, 06:24 PM
This whole election makes me very very sad. And scared.
Me too. Nothing like feeling completely hopeless about the next presidency (when it hasn't even started yet). :smt009
dollfus46
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
BTW, I'm not endorsing Obama at this time, it's just the headline for the thread. The article is about a guy endorsing Obama.
Me, I'm still trying to find a candidate that fits me.
I don't have a problem with anyone voting for anyone. As long as they say they are voting for so and so because: 1., 2. 3. It's when they start blowing sugar pops up my ass by defending and excusing certain behavior that I want to debate. For example, don't try to tell me Obama has the experience or that Hillary lie about Bosnia. D'yall hear that crap? Just out today. She's telling everybody how she was ducking terrorist shellings an running for cover, no time for normal State Department pomp and handshakes etc. Film shows a flower girl giving her flowers and Hillary shaking hands with everybody, in no hurry to go anywhere. They were not under fire. Heh heh heh. Gotcha!!:kekeke:
thrillseeker
03-24-2008, 08:23 PM
I agree with Virgo and Luvia on this issue. I am going to vote but I am not sure who I am voting for is the right person but there is no one I really just can put all my faith in. I just hope and pray that who ever is elected doesnt just completely ruin our world.
dollfus46
03-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Good luck with that. I'm afraid the person who would make the best president is someone we don't know and who wouldn't dream of running.
This whole election makes me very very sad. And scared.
:smt006 Me! Me! I'll give everybody total health care, and meds free. Not sure how many doctors will be willing to work but that's not the point. It's free. I'll send everybody who has a job $1Mil. I'll send every illegal home and close the borders. If you run out of money just come see Uncle Mike. I'll send every nation a letter: we are at peace please don't mess with us. We promise to leave you alone. If you mess with us we will wipe your country off the face of the earth. Otherwise, go in peace. I'd block imports. You own a business out of the country? You're screwed big guy. Hope China can buy your stuff. We only buy American made with American hands. No more oil imports. No more foreign students until every American who wants to go to college free has a seat in the classroom. No one will want to pick up your garbage but that's not my problem. If you pay them $50,000 a year they will or maybe you can make a big compost in your back yard.:clap:
Baloo
03-24-2008, 08:28 PM
I am just happy that there are so many people on this forum who care enough about our country to study our canidates and actually vote. It makes me sad that so many people take the privelage of voting for granted... even if the system is messed up, there are still a lot men and women who have paid the ultimate sacrifice for us to have that right... My personal voting preferences are for a Conservative Republican and since we don't seem to have one in this race, I will just have to vote for the one who I feel would be best for the job.
Baloo
03-24-2008, 08:31 PM
:smt006 Me! Me! I'll give everybody total health care, and meds free. Not sure how many doctors will be willing to work but that's not the point. It's free. I'll send everybody who has a job $1Mil. I'll send every illegal home and close the borders. If you run out of money just come see Uncle Mike. I'll send every nation a letter: we are at peace please don't mess with us. We promise to leave you alone. If you mess with us we will wipe your country off the face of the earth. Otherwise, go in peace. I'd block imports. You own a business out of the country? You're screwed big guy. Hope China can buy your stuff. We only buy American made with American hands. No more oil imports. No more foreign students until every American who wants to go to college free has a seat in the classroom. No one will want to pick up your garbage but that's not my problem. If you pay them $50,000 a year they will or maybe you can make a big compost in your back yard.:clap:
Sounds perfect Dollfus! :smt023 When are you running for office? I'll head up the campaign...
fuzzis
03-24-2008, 08:38 PM
I find the "fear" comments to be interesting. It's not like there won't be another election. It's not like we haven't had awful Presidents before...and it's not like we haven't been through tough times. It's not like the margins in the House and Senate are so great that Obama or Hillary or McCain are going to be able to do whatever they want and truly take our country down the wrong path.
I didn't get it when one of my very best friends said she'd just die if GWB was elected; I don't understand it now.
Really. The sun's gonna come up the day after the election.
hendrixfreak70
03-24-2008, 08:40 PM
With several more wars raging.
dollfus46
03-24-2008, 08:40 PM
Sounds perfect Dollfus! :smt023 When are you running for office? I'll head up the campaign...
I've got an exploratory committe doing a feasiblility study now. I'll get back to you. I've got McGovern, Udall, Humphrey and Mondale looking into more giveaway programs that should put me over the top as long as no one asks where the money is coming from.:laugh:
drake
03-25-2008, 12:48 AM
I watched a thing on CNN last night about how the war has had zero effect on the economy. They had some professors on that discussed it. I don't know much about global economics. Just reporting what I heard.
I am afraid that globalization is the new democracy. There is no way that spending 500 billion dollars so far on the war has not hurt our economy.
The reasons that I can remember being given were that defense, communications, and infrastructure contracts given to American firms were one of the balancing factors. The government was spending but private firms profited afterwards. He explained it as similar to the way we spent a lot of money on WWII, but got out of the depression. There were other factors as well, and I suppose I should have listened more closely.
Again, I am not arguing one side or the other, just reporting what I heard.
dollfus46
03-25-2008, 06:20 AM
The reasons that I can remember being given were that defense, communications, and infrastructure contracts given to American firms were one of the balancing factors. The government was spending but private firms profited afterwards. He explained it as similar to the way we spent a lot of money on WWII, but got out of the depression. There were other factors as well, and I suppose I should have listened more closely.
Again, I am not arguing one side or the other, just reporting what I heard.
All I remember about economics from college is the law of suoply and demand. That's it. Don't look to me for any detailed explanation.:(
EricStratton
03-25-2008, 09:31 AM
All I remember about economics from college is the law of suoply and demand. That's it. Don't look to me for any detailed explanation.:(
Lack of any foundational knowledge has never stopped you from commenting before, why now?
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