McCain...Almost a Democrat

[fuzzis]

2 McCain Moments, Rarely Mentioned (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/us/politics/24mccain.html?hp)

...What Mr. McCain almost never mentions are two extraordinary moments in his political past that are at odds with the candidate of the present: His discussions in 2001 with Democrats about leaving the Republican Party, and his conversations in 2004 with Senator John Kerry about becoming Mr. Kerry’s running mate on the Democratic presidential ticket.

There are wildly divergent versions of both episodes, depending on whether Democrats or Mr. McCain and his advisers are telling the story. The Democrats, including Mr. Kerry, say that not only did Mr. McCain express interest but that it was his camp that initially reached out to them. Mr. McCain and his aides counter that in both cases the Democrats were the suitors and Mr. McCain the unwilling bride....

[Conveyor Belt]

McCain IS a RINO. Most republicans recognize it.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone who calls themselves conservative would vote for McCain. He hasn't acted conservatively.

[drake]

McCain IS a RINO. Most republicans recognize it.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone who calls themselves conservative would vote for McCain. He hasn't acted conservatively.

Because I don't like the alternative. A third party vote is a wasted vote. Despite the statement it would make to the GOP, I don't feel like blowing this election for this statement is worth what would happen over the next 4 years to this country.

[Conveyor Belt]

Because I don't like the alternative. A third party vote is a wasted vote. Despite the statement it would make to the GOP, I don't feel like blowing this election for this statement is worth what would happen over the next 4 years to this country.

It doesn't matter if it's McCain or Hillary... you're still getting a democrat in office.

McCain is about as conservative as Bill Clinton...

hey, maybe he can play up tha angle...

[drake]

It is like chemotherapy. Nobody wants it, but it's better than cancer. I'd rather have McCain than Obama or Hillary. If I am being realistic, those are my only choices.

[Bluesman]

McCain is a democrat... He just don't want the public to know... He hasn't come out of the "political" closet yet.:smt118 He knows the secret handshakes and even is a card carrying member... Got his own secret agent man credentials.

[Honey]

Say it ain't soooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Bluesman]

Say it ain't soooooooooooooooooooooo!
I'm sorry Honey, but it is true.:smt009

[CircusRide]

All of them suck! McCain, Obama, Clinton.........they all suck.
It's a damn disgrace that this is the best the two parties can offer.

[Bluesman]

'Nader 08':smt118

[CircusRide]

Don't look now Romney fans, but it appears there could be a McCain/Romney ticket on the Repub side. Romney is traveling with McCain to help him pull votes in the mountain areas (mormon country). Romney has stated he would accept the #2 spot.
Does this mean we could have a McCain/Romney vs Obama/Clinton in Nov? That would be something! They all hate each other.

[jojobeans1120]

This is what I have been SCREAMING about! I have repeated over and over that I will NOT, I REFUSE, to vote for McCain! He's not a conservative!!!!
People are too focused on what Obama's FORMER pastor said to even pay attention to #$%$ like this! Have Americans gone deaf and blind?

[jojobeans1120]

Don't look now Romney fans, but it appears there could be a McCain/Romney ticket on the Repub side. Romney is traveling with McCain to help him pull votes in the mountain areas (mormon country). Romney has stated he would accept the #2 spot.
Does this mean we could have a McCain/Romney vs Obama/Clinton in Nov? That would be something! They all hate each other.



Romney freaks me out. There's something about him that doesn't seem "right." I can't put my finger on it, but something really weirds me out when I see this guy on TV. I don't see how he could possibly benefit McCain in this election. Sure, he's more conservative than McCain, but hell so is Obama in my opinion. The illegal alien issue is a big deal to me. McCain's stand on it has ruined him in my eyes. That, along with other things. Unless he gets Ms. Rice, or Mr. Powell, he's got a snowball's chance in hell of getting my vote!

[58ford]

McCain is a communist, but, unfortunately the alternative (Obama or Rodham) is worse, so I'll have to vote for a communist.

Why don't Americans run for office anymore?

[jojobeans1120]

I would love nothing more than for the Republicans to kick his ass to the curb at the convention. Someone to come out of the dark and save the party would be the most we could hope for at this point! IF he were to choose a running mate that was even more liberal than he is, I could see this happening! I hope to God that someone will step forward!

[CircusRide]

Romney freaks me out. There's something about him that doesn't seem "right." I can't put my finger on it, but something really weirds me out when I see this guy on TV. I don't see how he could possibly benefit McCain in this election. Sure, he's more conservative than McCain, but hell so is Obama in my opinion. The illegal alien issue is a big deal to me. McCain's stand on it has ruined him in my eyes. That, along with other things. Unless he gets Ms. Rice, or Mr. Powell, he's got a snowball's chance in hell of getting my vote!

Uh, no, he's not more liberal than Obama. Obama is the most liberal in the race. But I get your point.

[dreamhippy]

http://www.americanfreepress.net/RonPaul_4-09-081.pdf

There is a dark horse running, and it ain`t Obama.

[dollfus46]

Uh, no, he's not more liberal than Obama. Obama is the most liberal in the race. But I get your point.
After the Dem. convention, there'll be some stuff coming out about Obama that should scare the living daylights out of people.
And McCain refuses to deal with illegals in O'Reilly interview. The illigitimate so and so. What a wuss. He just doesn't give a fat rat's patoot what 90% of the country want. That's arrogance.

[hendrixfreak70]

After the Dem. convention, there'll be some stuff coming out about Obama that should scare the living daylights out of people.
And McCain refuses to deal with illegals in O'Reilly interview. The illigitimate so and so. What a wuss. He just doesn't give a fat rat's patoot what 90% of the country want. That's arrogance.

Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin 2008.

[TheKing]

Because I don't like the alternative. A third party vote is a wasted vote. Despite the statement it would make to the GOP, I don't feel like blowing this election for this statement is worth what would happen over the next 4 years to this country.

you drank the kool aid if you think a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote

and you might be right if you are myopic as to think as far as the current election

a 3rd party vote sends a message to the party ... that you are a conservative but do not agree with the direction of the party itself

we can all agree that we are screwed the next 4-8 years just like we were screwed when GWB got in office... because of a lack of real options

but i assure you... if you want real change in the republican party down the road instead of them continuing on the same godforsaken path... tehn vote 3rd party or vote democrat

the more 3rd party votes will tell the powers that be that we want real conservatives... not crap ones.

but if you cant think past november... then this point is moot.

[That Kind Of Gurl]

I can't vote for McCain... I just can't. He's WAAAAAY too old and we do need a change. I'm hoping Hilary will win but if not Obama will get my vote.

[hendrixfreak70]

They're all Democrats so you can't lose!!

[TheKing]

with mccain.... i get the impression that hes being installed in the repub ticket because the general population is pissed off so much at the bush policies.. they know another 'neocon' cant win..

so i think the plan is to install mccain on the basis that hes more liberal and people are more likely to vote... then start pulling the puppet strings to turn him into a neocon

thats just the wild impression i get

[hendrixfreak70]

with mccain.... i get the impression that hes being installed in the repub ticket because the general population is pissed off so much at the bush policies.. they know another 'neocon' cant win..

so i think the plan is to install mccain on the basis that hes more liberal and people are more likely to vote... then start pulling the puppet strings to turn him into a neocon

thats just the wild impression i get

I think America listens to what Fox News has to say way too often. For the longest time Giuliani was the front-runner. When he couldn't win a primary, the media shifted its focus to whomever else was of Giuliani's ilk. McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and probably by now Huckabee are members of the CFR. So was Thompson and Gilmore. Then, on the other side Obama, Richardson, Biden, and Dodd were too. Either way it goes, we have someone who is NOT elected pulling the strings on our foreign and domestic policy. Thank you, CFR for ruining a great country.

[dollfus46]

2 McCain Moments, Rarely Mentioned (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/us/politics/24mccain.html?hp)
Oh yeah. McCain is a sorry excuse for a conservative. I don't care if he's Republican or Democrat. I'm looking for a conservative. Obama is a radical loon in my opinion, with absolutely no business running for president other than George Soros has him up there. I may not vote at all and just turn off the TV for the next four years and live as a national news isolationist. I'll just pretend there is no world outside where I live, until the terrorists come knocking, and they will.:smt023

[hendrixfreak70]

Oh yeah. McCain is a sorry excuse for a conservative. I don't care if he's Republican or Democrat. I'm looking for a conservative. Obama is a radical loon in my opinion, with absolutely no business running for president other than George Soros has him up there. I may not vote at all and just turn off the TV for the next four years and live as a national news isolationist. I'll just pretend there is no world outside where I live, until the terrorists come knocking, and they will.:smt023

I almost concur with you. Being a news isolationist is probably the best thing this country can endure. We are being manipulated, bribed, demagogued, and lied to. Smokes n mirrors. I stopped watching the news 2 years ago.

[dollfus46]

with mccain.... i get the impression that hes being installed in the repub ticket because the general population is pissed off so much at the bush policies.. they know another 'neocon' cant win..

so i think the plan is to install mccain on the basis that hes more liberal and people are more likely to vote... then start pulling the puppet strings to turn him into a neocon

thats just the wild impression i get
That's a wild impression alright. I have no idea what in the world the Republicans are thinking anymore. They don't know what to do anymore. They have lost their way completely. SC hates McCain. Last election he was trounced. This election, he's a god. Go figure.:(

[dollfus46]

I almost concur with you. Being a news isolationist is probably the best thing this country can endure. We are being manipulated, bribed, demagogued, and lied to. Smokes n mirrors. I stopped watching the news 2 years ago.
Doesn't necessarily make you smarter than me, Hendtrix, just means I'm a little slower to figure it out.:kekeke:

[chaz]

That's a wild impression alright. I have no idea what in the world the Republicans are thinking anymore. They don't know what to do anymore. They have lost their way completely. SC hates McCain. Last election he was trounced. This election, he's a god. Go figure.:(

Didn't McCain fall in SC in the last election because of all the push polling about his "illegitimate black daughter?"

Quit looking at McCain as a conservative or a liberal. Look at him as a LEADER, willing to cross the aisle to work for better policies. There are few like him.

This is not the election year to be splitting the ticket and voting for 3rd party candidates. Remember what happened when Perot ran? If I were a democratic strategist, I wouldn't try to persuade voters to my candidate. I would try to scare them off McCain enough to split the vote, thus allowing my candidate to win.

Don't get sucked in by the hype.

More simply: A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama.

[dollfus46]

Didn't McCain fall in SC in the last election because of all the push polling about his "illegitimate black daughter?"
No. He still has the illegitimate black daughter.

Quit looking at McCain as a conservative or a liberal. Look at him as a LEADER, willing to cross the aisle to work for better policies. There are few like him.
Horsefeathers. If I want someone to cross the isle, I'll vote for one across the isle. I want someone to grab those across the isle "by the nose and kick 'um in the ass." - Gen. Patton. H.W. reached across the isle and it cost him his re-election. Remember, "Read my lips. No more taxes." ? He reached across the isle to the Dems and they grabbed him by the nose and you know the rest. The Reb's reached across the isle and we have Ginsburg, Beyer, et al. The Dems refused to cross the isle and a new term was coined called getting "Borked". Not one Federal judge has been approved by the Dems in 2008. They're reaching across the isle. McCain reached across the isle and we have the McCain-Feingold Law. And the radical democrats are killing us with it. Shall I list a few of the organizations that grew out of that jewel? :
America Coming Together
America Votes
Democratic Senate Majority Fund
New House Pac
Media Fund
Partnership for America's Families
Moving America Forward.
America Majority Institute

To name a few. ATTA BOY, Johnnie. Screw reaching across the isle. Just my opinion.

[chaz]

I would like better choices too, but we gotta play with the cards that were dealt.

McCain's the man.

[TheKing]

More simply: A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama.

youve drank the kool aid too havent you?

i guess some people are unable to look past the current election cycle.... oh well

[kuntrykruzin1]

McCain IS a RINO. Most republicans recognize it.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone who calls themselves conservative would vote for McCain. He hasn't acted conservatively.
its to bad he is the only option we have. lesser of three evils if you will.

[kuntrykruzin1]

Oh yeah. McCain is a sorry excuse for a conservative. I don't care if he's Republican or Democrat. I'm looking for a conservative. Obama is a radical loon in my opinion, with absolutely no business running for president other than George Soros has him up there. I may not vote at all and just turn off the TV for the next four years and live as a national news isolationist. I'll just pretend there is no world outside where I live, until the terrorists come knocking, and they will.:smt023
you dont have to watch the news to know that you are paying 5$ a gallon for gas and starving to death from lack of food production. Global warming is a crock of crap and we in my opinion is drill ANWAR and go to nuclear power. Tap into the coal supply. We have more coal than Saudi has oil.
The special intrest groups are killing the American way of life and the American dream.

[dollfus46]

I would like better choices too, but we gotta play with the cards that were dealt.

Actually, we don't. We will because we're a bunch of sheep. But, that's a different deck you're dealing from now than that, "vote for McCain because he'll reach across the isle." Actually, I'm beginning to like Hillary better as President. Somebody just shoot me. I cannot believe the country has come to Obama, Hillary or McCain. God help us.:(

[OTM]

I still say we'll have McCain for the next 4 years because Obama has this and the Clinton Machine will work behind the scenes to make sure Obama loses this time so she'll have a better chance in 2012 against McCain than Obama.

[EricStratton]

Actually, we don't. We will because we're a bunch of sheep. But, that's a different deck you're dealing from now than that, "vote for McCain because he'll reach across the isle." Actually, I'm beginning to like Hillary better as President. Somebody just shoot me. I cannot believe the country has come to Obama, Hillary or McCain. God help us.:(

I've been saying for months that Hillary is the most capable of the three....I don't like saying that either, but if I have to choose, I'm going with her.....and she is my least favorite "person" in the group....but, like I've said before, there are a lot of people I like that have no business being president....Obama and McCain fit that category....

[gregprine]

Didn't McCain fall in SC in the last election because of all the push polling about his "illegitimate black daughter?"

Quit looking at McCain as a conservative or a liberal. Look at him as a LEADER, willing to cross the aisle to work for better policies. There are few like him.

This is not the election year to be splitting the ticket and voting for 3rd party candidates. Remember what happened when Perot ran? If I were a democratic strategist, I wouldn't try to persuade voters to my candidate. I would try to scare them off McCain enough to split the vote, thus allowing my candidate to win.

Don't get sucked in by the hype.

More simply: A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama.

So you will hold your nose and vote. THIS....and quite simply this, is what is wrong with America. Almost EVERYONE thinks that if you do not vote for one of the two top parties, you will waste your vote. HORSE****. The Republicans and Democrats are ALL THE SAME, and you feel as if you vote for the lesser of two evils.

Vote for the person your heart and mind tells you to vote for AND STOP LISTENING TO THIS DRIVEL. You will feel better knowing you really voted for change. Knowing that you are not lead to slaughter because you felt you _HAD_ to vote for these idiots because the other idiot is worse.

Goodnight America...and Good luck.

[dollfus46]

I've been saying for months that Hillary is the most capable of the three....I don't like saying that either, but if I have to choose, I'm going with her.....and she is my least favorite "person" in the group....but, like I've said before, there are a lot of people I like that have no business being president....Obama and McCain fit that category....
You and I are in complete sync here. I despise the woman and her lack of character, but she'll make a better President that the other two. I just don't know if I'm man enough to pull that lever.:kekeke: I'm still struggling for an alternative to voting for any of them and, yet, still vote. Someone told me we don't have write in candidates in SC. I don't know. I'll write in if I can. It's between Newt and me. I think I'll put together a list of campaign promises and see if I can get more votes here than the other three candidates.;)

[dreamhippy]

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=gUBDM16ylvU&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/gUBDM16ylvU/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLnyuKBI9KYKnXuq1sqrqzF&hl=

[drake]

youve drank the kool aid too havent you?

That's the second time you've accused someone of "drinking the kool aid." The first time it was me.

Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they've been duped. You are in the minority here (just like the people at Jonestown). Did the Dems learn anything when Perot or Nader ran? No. It's going to be business as usual no matter who you vote for. There isn't going to be any grand lesson learned if I vote third party. There isn't going to be any social revolution if I vote third party. However, there just might be a President Obama if I vote third party. Quit belittling people because they are going to vote for McCain.

[chaz]

So you will hold your nose and vote. THIS....and quite simply this, is what is wrong with America. Almost EVERYONE thinks that if you do not vote for one of the two top parties, you will waste your vote. HORSE****. The Republicans and Democrats are ALL THE SAME, and you feel as if you vote for the lesser of two evils.

Vote for the person your heart and mind tells you to vote for AND STOP LISTENING TO THIS DRIVEL. You will feel better knowing you really voted for change. Knowing that you are not lead to slaughter because you felt you _HAD_ to vote for these idiots because the other idiot is worse.

Goodnight America...and Good luck.

I will not be holding my nose. I like McCain and have liked McCain since he ran against Bush in 2000. Consistently on this forum I have said "get away from Republicans and Democrats."

Make your vote for "change" by Obama. I'm cool with that. I'll just ride out his presidency overseas until the "next election cycle."

Oh, and anyone who says "drinking the Kool-aid" is doing the same from those Conservative pundits who have just worn the ever-lovin' tar out of that phrase.

http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/Kool-AidMan.jpg

[dollfus46]

you dont have to watch the news to know that you are paying 5$ a gallon for gas and starving to death from lack of food production. Global warming is a crock of crap and we in my opinion is drill ANWAR and go to nuclear power. Tap into the coal supply. We have more coal than Saudi has oil.
The special intrest groups are killing the American way of life and the American dream.
I don't blame the "special interest groups" as much as I do our Congressmen and Senators. They don't have to listen to the special interest groups, anymore than they listened to us when we wanted illegals exported and the borders closed. That's why I'm trying to get everyone, everyone, to throw the rascals out of Washington and start over.