On Gender...

[PHDPLEASE]

I often pose questions to my class that have no answers, just to see what they come up with. After discussing the presidential election with my wife the other day, I came up with a doozy that is not appropriate for class, so I thought I would bring it up here:

If there is indeed a chemical reaction in a woman's body that causes erratic behavior once a month (i.e. PMS), is it ethical to elect a woman president...in that the erratic behavior is a result of a chemical reaction and not a choice?

If this chemical reaction is false, and does not exist, are our wives, sisters, mothers, etc. lying to us and making excuses for erratic behavior?

I have nothing against electing a woman president...in fact, if Condoleeza Rice were running, I would certainly vote for her.

However, this question REALLY got me to thinking...would we elect a president whom we KNEW had a chemical imbalance which caused erratic behavior (i.e. bi-polar disorder, manic depression, etc.)?

No.

Then, if PMS is in fact an occurrance in females, then how do we justify electing a female president if a similar chemical imbalance exists which could cause her to make irrational decisions through no fault of her own?

I would love to hear your opinions!

[Fish-Bait]

oh chit. lol rofl. lmao...omgggg!.....

[wilebill]

You're toast, dude.

[PHDPLEASE]

You're toast, dude.

This post is NOT intended to be a forum for downing females. It just poses a hypothesis.

I just wanted everyone's thoughts on the subject.

:-D

[luvnlife]

All I know is you would NOT want me being president during my particular time of the month.:smt084:cussing::smt077:smt010:smt013:smt029 :evil_fire


:-D:-D:-D

[jkspatty]

I am so amused when I hear this. Here is a newsflash: Not all women are emotional wrecks. There are plenty of women out there who do not have PMS, and of those that do, it is not a disability. It is not a mental disorder or a disease. Women function in very high level positions everyday, all over the world. How do we know that Hillary has not reached menopause and no longer has a period anyway? It is rather silly to think that a woman can't control herself just because she has a period. Bottom line: Not all women are the same.

[PHDPLEASE]

I am so amused when I hear this. Here is a newsflash: Not all women are emotional wrecks. There are plenty of women out there who do not have PMS, and of those that do, it is not a disability. It is not a mental disorder or a disease. Women function in very high level positions everyday, all over the world. How do we know that Hillary has not reached menopause and no longer has a period anyway? It is rather silly to think that a woman can't control herself just because she has a period. Bottom line: Not all women are the same.

Exactly my point.

How do we know (a) if it affects her, (b) if it does, how bad, (c) is it no longer a question because of onset menopause?

How do we ASK these questions? Do we walk up to Hillary and say..."Ahhemm...Excuse me, but..."?

IS it an appropriate question to ask if it will affect her decision making abilities?

[fuzzis]

We think nothing of electing men...despite the fact that they show us again and again and again that many of them cannot control their baser urges (governors, senators, presidents come to mind). The pursuits engaged in with regard to such seem pretty irrational to me.

As jkspatty has said, PMS affects different women different ways. By the time a woman gets to the place Hillary (or Condi) is, they've learned to control themselves quite well...if they were ever affected in the first place. The fact that a President has a circle of advisers who aren't going to let him or her make a monumental spur of the moment screw up and the fact that presidential decisions are rarely impromptu, makes the question somewhat moot.

[PHDPLEASE]

We think nothing of electing men...despite the fact that they show us again and again and again that many of them cannot control their baser urges (governors, senators, presidents come to mind). The pursuits engaged in with regard to such seem pretty irrational to me.

As jkspatty has said, PMS affects different women different ways. By the time a woman gets to the place Hillary (or Condi) is, they've learned to control themselves quite well...if they were ever affected in the first place. The fact that a President has a circle of advisers who aren't going to let him or her make a monumental spur of the moment screw up and the fact that presidential decisions are rarely impromptu, makes the question somewhat moot.

Not that I disagree, but thats a big assumption.

My question, though, was IS IT AN APPROPRIATE FACTOR TO CONSIDER?

[fuzzis]

Not that I disagree, but thats a big assumption.

My question, though, was IS IT AN APPROPRIATE FACTOR TO CONSIDER?

I got the question; I answered it. IF YOU NEED IT SHORT AND SWEET: NO.

[proudtobefrompetal]

I know for a fact that the man in my life suffers from a monthly condition very much like PMS. I don't care if it's proven or not - he is an @55 for about 3-4 days once a month.

But let's be serious... is there a decision that the President makes solely on their own and in the blink of an eye. No. So why the question?

[OTM]

This is a great discussion, but I don't think we have to worry about Clinton making any decisions as President.

[JMC]

I plead the 5th.

[jkspatty]

Exactly my point.

How do we know (a) if it affects her, (b) if it does, how bad, (c) is it no longer a question because of onset menopause?

How do we ASK these questions? Do we walk up to Hillary and say..."Ahhemm...Excuse me, but..."?

IS it an appropriate question to ask if it will affect her decision making abilities?


It not an appropriate question to ask any more that than it would be appropriate to ask John McCain if his being a POW will affect his decision making skills. I think Mrs Clinton has a record of not letting her emotions control her. She obviously did not let being a female stop her from becoming an attorney or a US Senator. I am really suprised that (supposedly) educated people still think like this.

[jkspatty]

Does anyone know if having period every month affected Margaret Thatcher when she was prime minister of England? or Indira Ghandi? Golda Mier? Our female Supreme Courts Justices?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh ::laugh:

[wilebill]

:exit2:

[EricStratton]

I don't think PMS is going to cause a nuclear war....However, I think a woman president nagging another world leader may incite a knee-jerk attack on the U.S.!!

Just kidding....it's not the chemical reaction in women that's the problem...It's the scientific fact that their brains are smaller than men's.....

Just kidding....I would really just be worried about a woman being late for all of her appointments because she can't decide what shoes to wear or what dress goes best with these shoes...or what earrings go best with this blouse....etc....

[mi_nombre_es]

I am really suprised that (supposedly) educated people still think like this.



I am really surpised that you would be commenting that "Supposedly" educated people still think like this. Being Educated has nothing to do with this. It is a valid question, much like McCain time in a PoW camp, did it affect his decision making? how about Obama, since you were a member of that church for soo long, how do we know you won't immediately pick them up when your elected and allow the rev. to affect your decision making abilities.

What I am really surpised at is, you took a valid question and turned it into a condemnation of educated people. It was a simple question, answer it or shut up, it is that simple! If you are offended by the question, build a bridge and get over it. We are allowed to discuss trivial and stuff that would never be seen in an election question list. If you don't want to partake, don't. But don't insult people who raise the question or take part themselves.

I had respect for what you were saying, UNTIL you said what I quoted there. As far as I am concerned, your posts on this thread mean nothing if it comes down to flinging insults around.

[PHDPLEASE]

It not an appropriate question to ask any more that than it would be appropriate to ask John McCain if his being a POW will affect his decision making skills. I think Mrs Clinton has a record of not letting her emotions control her. She obviously did not let being a female stop her from becoming an attorney or a US Senator. I am really suprised that (supposedly) educated people still think like this.

Actually, uneducated people often make choices, statements, or decisions WITHOUT asking questions. I hope you weren't referring to me...

Also, I WOULD like to ASK McCain if he thinks being a POW would affect his decision making skills. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a serious problem, and can often plague an individual for a LONG time.

It was just a question. Not a statement of my beliefs. A question.

:smt023

[jkspatty]

I am really surpised that you would be commenting that "Supposedly" educated people still think like this. Being Educated has nothing to do with this. It is a valid question, much like McCain time in a PoW camp, did it affect his decision making? how about Obama, since you were a member of that church for soo long, how do we know you won't immediately pick them up when your elected and allow the rev. to affect your decision making abilities.

What I am really surpised at is, you took a valid question and turned it into a condemnation of educated people. It was a simple question, answer it or shut up, it is that simple! If you are offended by the question, build a bridge and get over it. We are allowed to discuss trivial and stuff that would never be seen in an election question list. If you don't want to partake, don't. But don't insult people who raise the question or take part themselves.



I answered the question, as did several other people. I also stated that is a ridiculous question. If you or anyone else takes issue with it, well you might just have to suck it up and get over it. Oh, and I'm not offended, just amused.

[Tupaclives]

Ain't no woman can handle a budget. That ho'd be blowin all our money on shoes!
Ya'll remember Marcos don't you?
She'd go crazy when her azz fell in the toilet because some ambassador forgot to drop the lid too.

[Fish-Bait]

It not an appropriate question to ask any more that than it would be appropriate to ask John McCain if his being a POW will affect his decision making skills. I think Mrs Clinton has a record of not letting her emotions control her. She obviously did not let being a female stop her from becoming an attorney or a US Senator. I am really suprised that (supposedly) educated people still think like this.



That's BUNK!

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[LipsofanAngel]

Ain't no woman can handle a budget. That ho'd be blowin all our money on shoes!
Ya'll remember Marcos don't you?
She'd go crazy when her azz fell in the toilet because some ambassador forgot to drop the lid too.

you're joking, right?

[Fish-Bait]

I forgot one...
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/Fish-Bait_bucket/clinton_mylife_hillary.jpg

[mi_nombre_es]

I answered the question, as did several other people. I also stated that is a ridiculous question. If you or anyone else takes issue with it, well you might just have to suck it up and get over it. Oh, and I'm not offended, just amused.


Most of the questions that are asked of presidental people are ridculous. If you weren't offended, you wouldn't have insulted "supposedly" educated people. Are free thinkers not allowed to post questions anymore? are you starting a communist society with big brother to read our thoughts and report us to the purity police?

Basically, I think this thread should include more than just gender, let's take in Hillary's past. Hell, while we are at it, let's take in everyone's past, check their internet history and see who looks at porn nightly.

All of this means nothing because we will be blinded by the magical words of one politican to promise this and that. But they won't deliver and the middle american will be left holding the bag of screwed up reality. oh well, i guess it is true, only two things promised in life is death and taxes.

[OTM]

I forgot one...
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/Fish-Bait_bucket/clinton_mylife_hillary.jpgIf you post a pic of the blue dress, you are my hero.

[mi_nombre_es]

I forgot one...
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/Fish-Bait_bucket/clinton_mylife_hillary.jpg


awesome site Fish-bait! here's another good one


http://www.freakingnews.com/Hillary-s-Purple-Heart-Pics-46752.asp

[jkspatty]

Most of the questions that are asked of presidental people are ridculous. If you weren't offended, you wouldn't have insulted "supposedly" educated people. Are free thinkers not allowed to post questions anymore? are you starting a communist society with big brother to read our thoughts and report us to the purity police?

Basically, I think this thread should include more than just gender, let's take in Hillary's past. Hell, while we are at it, let's take in everyone's past, check their internet history and see who looks at porn nightly.

All of this means nothing because we will be blinded by the magical words of one politican to promise this and that. But they won't deliver and the middle american will be left holding the bag of screwed up reality. oh well, i guess it is true, only two things promised in life is death and taxes.


Dude, simma down now. I certainly believe we should look into the pasts of these politicians. The topic of this thread is concerning her freakin period, IMO that is silly.

[mi_nombre_es]

we should look at all angles even though it means nothing. It's all adult show and tell. Big deal, new story please. Thank you come again!

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/intlchristy/abu.jpg

[LipsofanAngel]

I think the point though- is that a period isn't really even and angle. Or shouldn't be. It's a biological function... not a mental disorder or physical disability.

[Tully Mars]

Dang, I wouldn't touch this one with a ten-foot tampon. :ohnoes::ohnoes:

[Hermione]

By the time most women get to the US Senate, or being a head of state (Thatcher, et. al.) they are past an age where this is an issue. And as Fuzzis pointed out, you don't get to be Secretary of State without the ability to keep your personal issues under control.
As for Hillary and being emotional, I've always heard she has a terrible temper and has been known to throw things. But she doesn't do it in public.

[onlyme]

I would love to hear your opinions!

No, you don't. I may be PMSing :evil:

[noway]

Women are nuts..

[jmb]

I often pose questions to my class that have no answers, just to see what they come up with. After discussing the presidential election with my wife the other day, I came up with a doozy that is not appropriate for class, so I thought I would bring it up here:

If there is indeed a chemical reaction in a woman's body that causes erratic behavior once a month (i.e. PMS), is it ethical to elect a woman president...in that the erratic behavior is a result of a chemical reaction and not a choice?

If this chemical reaction is false, and does not exist, are our wives, sisters, mothers, etc. lying to us and making excuses for erratic behavior?

I have nothing against electing a woman president...in fact, if Condoleeza Rice were running, I would certainly vote for her.

However, this question REALLY got me to thinking...would we elect a president whom we KNEW had a chemical imbalance which caused erratic behavior (i.e. bi-polar disorder, manic depression, etc.)?

No.

Then, if PMS is in fact an occurrance in females, then how do we justify electing a female president if a similar chemical imbalance exists which could cause her to make irrational decisions through no fault of her own?

I would love to hear your opinions!

No.

[Kitty]

Perhaps a woman president could resolve the Problems Men Started.

[CircusRide]

That's it! PERIOD....end of discussion.

[luvnlife]

Dang, I wouldn't touch this one with a ten-foot tampon. :ohnoes::ohnoes:

And thanks goes to Tully for my laugh of the day!!!:laugh:

[PHDPLEASE]

I think the point though- is that a period isn't really even and angle. Or shouldn't be. It's a biological function... not a mental disorder or physical disability.

Thank you Lips, this was the foundation behind my question. It is a biological phenomenon that does affect decision-making (or AT LEAST the thought process). To what extent is another layer of the question.

As stated by Fuzzis, no one questions men regarding this type of biological process. So, the issue is gender-specific. Which makes it a touchy subject. Which is why I think the issues needs discussion (discussion does not mean conclusion, by the way).

Moreover, I think men DO have some biological traits that could get them into trouble and affect their decision making skills...Bill Clinton, Spitzer, and a few others come to mind. However, this biological trait (wanting to hump everything that moves) is not time-specific (i.e. monthly) and certainly not gender specific (I know PLENTY of female horn-dogs). Hence, the issue at hand.

:smt001

[mac]

Nice question. But Hillary's not a woman; she's a robot.

[mac]

Besides, men can have hormonal changes too. They're just not as predictable.

[fuzzis]

Moreover, I think men DO have some biological traits that could get them into trouble and affect their decision making skills...Bill Clinton, Spitzer, and a few others come to mind. However, this biological trait (wanting to hump everything that moves) is not time-specific (i.e. monthly) and certainly not gender specific (I know PLENTY of female horn-dogs). Hence, the issue at hand.



If it's not time-specific, then it would seem that it's an even bigger problem. It's a wonder we've made it as far as we have. :smt105

At least with women, if it's going to be a problem, then schedule a couple of days in Crawford. Or Camp David. Or wherever. Our current President doesn't have a problem with taking a couple of days off.

[PHDPLEASE]

If it's not time-specific, then it would seem that it's an even bigger problem. It's a wonder we've made it as far as we have. :smt105

At least with women, if it's going to be a problem, then schedule a couple of days in Crawford. Or Camp David. Or wherever. Our current President doesn't have a problem with taking a couple of days off.

Well played, madam.

;)

[EricStratton]

I think the more fundamental questions are: Should women be allowed to vote? Should women have jobs? Should women be taught to read? Should women be allowed to talk?

This women being president talk is just fantasy...right? Who's with me?

[Scarlett O'Hara]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................

[EricStratton]

Or, should women be allowed to type on the internet?

[Kitty]

Remember who gave birth to you, Stratton.

:smt009

[amanda]

I am so amused when I hear this. Here is a newsflash: Not all women are emotional wrecks. There are plenty of women out there who do not have PMS, and of those that do, it is not a disability. It is not a mental disorder or a disease. Women function in very high level positions everyday, all over the world. How do we know that Hillary has not reached menopause and no longer has a period anyway? It is rather silly to think that a woman can't control herself just because she has a period. Bottom line: Not all women are the same.

Thank you. Besides I believe most men suffer from their own PMS - it just runs daily instead of a few days a month.

Exactly my point.

How do we know (a) if it affects her, (b) if it does, how bad, (c) is it no longer a question because of onset menopause?

How do we ASK these questions? Do we walk up to Hillary and say..."Ahhemm...Excuse me, but..."?

IS it an appropriate question to ask if it will affect her decision making abilities?

No, asking it isn't appropriate. Makes no difference. As long as we elect men with penis' then electing a woman who MAY have PMS a few days a month should be pretty safe.


Not that I disagree, but thats a big assumption.

My question, though, was IS IT AN APPROPRIATE FACTOR TO CONSIDER?


No.

[58ford]

Ones gender is one of the most influential factors in one's life.
Only an idiot would NOT consider it when choosing anyone for a position of authority, much less the presidency.

There, question solved.

[Tupaclives]

Or, should women be allowed to type on the internet?

Women is like da internet explorer. They bloated, unstable, and open to exploitation by anybody that wants to have a go.

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

All I can say is read my signature...

:smt023

[phmom]

Women are nuts..

I know you didn't.....:smt009