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Reason
04-04-2008, 03:21 PM
From the Chicago Tribune:

By Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss


<DD>April 3, 2008


In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/john-fitzgerald-kennedy-PEPLT003488.topic)'s challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.

In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)

The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/lyndon-baines-johnson-PEPLT003318.topic) after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/executive-branch/the-white-house-PLCUL000110.topic) awarded him three letters of commendation.

What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.

While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/executive-branch/dick-cheney-PEPLT007400.topic), who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/executive-branch/bill-clinton-PEPLT007410.topic) and George W. Bush (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/executive-branch/george-bush-PEPLT000857.topic), both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.

Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?

After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America's biggest cities.

This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/religion-belief/christianity/jeremiah-wright-PERLL000309.topic), the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.

Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.

We've seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright's many sermons.

Some of the Wright's comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him "unpatriotic," let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.

How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many.

While words do count, so do actions.

Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.

Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
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CircusRide
04-04-2008, 03:24 PM
Still a racist.

Fish-Bait
04-04-2008, 03:27 PM
People read the Tribune? golly

threekidspa
04-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Whether or not he was a Patriot was never the question for me. Being a Patriot doesn't exclude you from, or excuse you for, being a Racist.

EricStratton
04-04-2008, 03:32 PM
Whether or not he was a Patriot was never the question for me. Being a Patriot doesn't exclude you from, or excuse you for, being a Racist.

That's not what one of my Papaw's friends told me....

Reason
04-04-2008, 03:39 PM
This is the sermon from which the infamous clip came from.

In Context

wilebill
04-04-2008, 03:55 PM
You can be patriotic in periods of your life, but a true Patriot isn't known until after death - it's how you lived your life.

Echo Four Bravo
04-04-2008, 08:46 PM
I hear Hitler really loved his dog.

P.S. I'm a Marine. I proudly served. I've sacrificed.
If I made similar statements about African-Americans and sold copies of it on dvd, I would be called a racist. My contributions to society would be disregarded. It's simple, it's called a double-standard.

MMA
04-04-2008, 09:50 PM
What the hell does being in the service have to do with what the man said? I was in both the Marines and the Army, If I had talked about blacks the way the man talked about whites, in the forum he did, I would have been run out of town. I understand why folks for Obama are trying to justify this, it would be hard to vote for a man who would, for 20 years, sit in the pew saying "amen" to this hateful garbage.

Pirate_129
04-04-2008, 09:56 PM
I could list numerous veterans, some highly decorated, that are in prison for murders, rapes, and the like. Should we release them and forget their transgressions?

Serving your country is a very noble thing and does and should earn a person respect. What it doesn't do is change what you become or forgive the actions you take later in life.

Chichiguita
04-04-2008, 09:57 PM
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Reason
04-05-2008, 02:08 PM
Here's the other sermon they grabbed a clip from and ran over and over.

In full context.

Reason
04-05-2008, 02:11 PM
After watching these two sermons, and seeing the clips in context, I just don't see what the big deal is. Wright didn't say anything that offended me, or anything I would consider racist.

After listening to Obama's response to the media's incessant parroting over a few selected clips, I see what the big deal is when it comes to Obama.