Olympic torch fiasco

[wilebill]

The Chinese are having a helluva time getting that torch through Europe. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080407/ts_nm/olympics_torch_france_dc_7)

PARIS (Reuters) - Chinese officials called off a chaotic relay of the Olympic torch through Paris on Monday after thousands of pro-Tibet protesters tried to block its path and the flame had to be extinguished at least twice.

Police said the Chinese authorities organizing the five-hour passage of the torch had decided to give up the road relay after demonstrators protesting against China's crackdown on Tibet constantly snarled its progress and forced lengthy delays.

The torch relay hit trouble almost as soon as it set off from the Eiffel Tower, and regularly ground to halt when protesters threatened to break through the imposing security cordon thrown around the athletes carrying the flame.

"Boycott Chinese goods" and "Save Tibet" read some of the banners held aloft by demonstrators. Other people came to support Beijing and waved Chinese flags above the crowds.

More than four hours after setting out on its 28-km (17 miles) trip, officials finally decided to put the flame on a bus and sped down to the final leg of the relay -- a stadium in southern Paris which houses the French Olympic Committee.

They put the torch on a bus. :kekeke: I missed the bus marathon in the last Olympics, it must be a new event.

[fuzzis]

It heads to San Francisco next; from what I was hearing this morning, they are equally worried about problems there.

[JMC]

They outta bypass San Fransico all together. Aren't there enough flamers there already.

[mac]

If people want to protest, they need to do so without interfering.

[aaron]

It should have never been held in China. I'm glad they are protesting. I'd rather it be done by no one watching the Olympics in Beijing though.

[58ford]

I wish these "Free tibet" a$$holes would quit protesting shit & start shooting chinamen in Tibet. That's how you free an oppressed nation. Kill the oppressors. Here in the US we killed enough british they gave up & went home. Russia killed the romanovs, France killed the Poofs, every time it's tried it works. Kill your oppressors & you won't be oppressed any more.

fordism always works. the world should come to me with it's problems first.

[aaron]

Yet another strike against the torch. It's being used to torch Tibetans by the Chinese.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/olympic_torch_used_to

[mac]

China's got some dirty laundry, for sure. I guess I just always thought of the Olympic torch as being kinda...sacred or something.

[mac]

And I agree with 58Ford. Tibet's gonna be oppressed until they stop being so damn peaceful and start kicking some Chinese ass. It's hard for me to feel much pity for a group of people who refuse to fight back.

[fuzzis]

And I agree with 58Ford. Tibet's gonna be oppressed until they stop being so damn peaceful and start kicking some Chinese ass. It's hard for me to feel much pity for a group of people who refuse to fight back.

If they used violence, they'd be violating the tents of their religion. According to the Buddha:

Victory creates hatred. Defeat creates suffering. The wise ones desire neither victory nor defeat... Anger creates anger... He who kills will be killed. He who wins will be defeated... Revenge can only be overcome by abandoning revenge... The wise seek neither victory nor defeat.

[mi_nombre_es]

If they used violence, they'd be violating the tents of their religion. According to the Buddha:

Victory creates hatred. Defeat creates suffering. The wise ones desire neither victory nor defeat... Anger creates anger... He who kills will be killed. He who wins will be defeated... Revenge can only be overcome by abandoning revenge... The wise seek neither victory nor defeat.


God put those kind of people on earth to be followers not leaders. If you can't claim a victory of independence for your nation, go home and do your own thing and quit protesting. You will forever be conquered and ruled by people other than yourself.

[58ford]

If they used violence, they'd be violating the tents of their religion. According to the Buddha:

Victory creates hatred. Defeat creates suffering. The wise ones desire neither victory nor defeat... Anger creates anger... He who kills will be killed. He who wins will be defeated... Revenge can only be overcome by abandoning revenge... The wise seek neither victory nor defeat.
Okay
If that's the way they feel tell 'em to quit bitching about China.
Ben Franklin said, "If you make yourselves sheep the wolves will eat you."
Fine they been 'et.

[fuzzis]

Non-violent protest got folks like Martin Luther King, Jr. what they were looking for....

[mi_nombre_es]

Non-violent protest got folks like Martin Luther King, Jr. what they were looking for....


yep, assissanted. The Chinese don't give a damn about the tibet people. They would probably come in and level the whole place and make room for a giant wal-mart.


Ghandi? Killed

Most of the time, if you want independence, you gotta fight for it. You gotta kill enough of them that they go "well maybe it's not worth keeping them under our control anymore"

[fuzzis]

yep, assissanted. The Chinese don't give a damn about the tibet people. They would probably come in and level the whole place and make room for a giant wal-mart.


Ghandi? Killed

Most of the time, if you want independence, you gotta fight for it. You gotta kill enough of them that they go "well maybe it's not worth keeping them under our control anymore"

:laugh::laugh:

Way to oversimplify the whole thing by focusing on what happened to the leaders of the movement, and NOT the passage of the Civil Rights Act or India's independence from Britain. Good on ya :smt023

[58ford]

:laugh::laugh:

Way to oversimplify the whole thing by focusing on what happened to the leaders of the movement, and NOT the passage of the Civil Rights Act or India's independence from Britain. Good on ya :smt023
Commie.

[TheStereoGuy]

Excuse me for being so "out of the loop", but what is China supposedly doing to Tibet in the first place that is so wrong, and how did they come to rule over Tibet anyway? And if things are so bad, why only now when China is gearing up for the Olympics is the Tibetan people pitching a fit?

[kevin]

I can't believe I feel that we should boycott these olympics...But I do!

[mi_nombre_es]

:laugh::laugh:

Way to oversimplify the whole thing by focusing on what happened to the leaders of the movement, and NOT the passage of the Civil Rights Act or India's independence from Britain. Good on ya :smt023


The change itself was going to happen soon or later, even without the tree hugging hippie ldrs. But every good cause needs a myrtar to get it going into full gear. Expect to see Bill Clinton on a milk carton by week's end so Hillary can win the nomiation by pity.

[mi_nombre_es]

Somisstv, stop hiding behind your groan button. Please post something constructive to the conversation instead of groaning people. Time to man up! :smt023

[maxim]

Excuse me for being so "out of the loop", but what is China supposedly doing to Tibet in the first place that is so wrong, and how did they come to rule over Tibet anyway? And if things are so bad, why only now when China is gearing up for the Olympics is the Tibetan people pitching a fit?

China invaded and occupied Tibet several decades ago. The Tibetan people have been practicing non-violent opposition for the entire time. The Dalai Lama has been advocating non-violence from his exile (mostly in India) but now many of the Tibetans are acting out violently and there has been some criticism of the Dalai Lama for his insistence on non-violence. The average tibetan in the street may be leaning more towards 58ford than peaceful means right now.

[jmb]

It should have never been held in China. I'm glad they are protesting. I'd rather it be done by no one watching the Olympics in Beijing though.

You are so right. The Olympics should never have been awarded to China in the first place.

[Blockhead]

If people want to protest, they need to do so without interfering.
Wouldn't be much of a protest then, would it?

[ComputerDude]

Wouldn't be much of a protest then, would it?Strongly worded letters?

[58ford]

Somisstv, stop hiding behind your groan button. Please post something constructive to the conversation instead of groaning people. Time to man up! :smt023
Just go to another thread & groan him multiple times & leave a post stating why you did it & link back to this thread.

[TheKing]

God put those kind of people on earth to be followers not leaders. If you can't claim a victory of independence for your nation, go home and do your own thing and quit protesting. You will forever be conquered and ruled by people other than yourself.

ya know i dont seem to remember where in the bible God declared that...

Would you mind pointing me to the right passage?

[Conveyor Belt]

ya know i dont seem to remember where in the bible God declared that...

Would you mind pointing me to the right passage?

*zip*

Oh... that would have gotten me in trouble...

[mi_nombre_es]

ya know i dont seem to remember where in the bible God declared that...

Would you mind pointing me to the right passage?


Hold on.....I don't remeber saying anything about the bible and god. I am saying that like all forming super powers, China is going around bitch slapping other countries. They know the Tibet people aren't a violent sort, who won't rise up against them expect in peaceful protest because violence is against their way of life. That is why they will forever be ruled by everyone but themselves. If America was the same way and didn't believe in violent protest, we would all be speaking either russian, german or spanish....NOT english. If you want Independence, you have to fight for it. Nothing is just handed down. You can peaceful protest all you want but in the end, a revolution will have to happen and 99.9% of the time, it is very violent and bloody.


Basically, China is doing what all forming super powers do best......

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/martin_shana26/Eliot%20Spitzer/elliot_spitzer_pimp_hand_shirt.jpg

[58ford]

You know what the problem with killin' a chinaman is??

Half an hour later you wanna kill another one.

[mi_nombre_es]

OMG ford, someone is gonna come groan you and post a reply about morals and how we shouldn't pick on the mentally ill, chinese people or teletubbies. Watch out! :ohnoes:

[Blockhead]

Strongly worded letters?
All caps. Possibly some bold font.

[aaron]

That bad thing is, if the Olympics had been held in America, there would have been world protests also. You don't kill 90,000 civilians in Iraq and not generate some hate with other countries.

[CircusRide]

Everybody hates everybody. Welcome to planet earth.