Girls Gone Wild

[petalmom]

Did anybody see this on the Today Show this morning?! These girls are nuts! What in the world were they thinking. Watch at your own risk, it's quite disturbing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24009077/

[pinkytuscadero]

:( This old world is crazy.

[TheKing]

yeah i watched that... and most of the time i see stuff online posted as this great 'atrocity' against some kid in high school

and most of it is just crap... theyll wind up being stronger for it in the end..

but this thing... thats a bit much... im normally all for letting kids get away with good ole fashioned butt kickings or stealing stuff or pretty much any other nuisance ...

but thats very excessive... and every one of them there deserve whats coming

i love how the oen girl was worried about the shelf though... priceless

[jmb]

I saw that this morning. Those girls thought they were so tough ganging up on the one. Wonder how they'll feel when they get ganged up on in prison if they get tried as adults? Bet they won't be so tough then.

[CircusRide]

Cat fight.

[aaron]

Wow, they...like...TOTALLY got busted.

[mac]

I haven't watched the video, but I read a couple of articles about this. It was a cowardly act and I hope they receive a severe punishment. Like TheKing said, I normally say let kids and teens work their own little b.s. out-- let 'em fight or whatever. BUt this is different. I hope they pay a price they won't forget. And I hope this wakes the parents up as to what their children are capable of doing, so maybe they'll make sure they get the psychological help they so obviously need.

[opheliapo]

That is horrible!! I homeschooled my kids for over a year. My daughter graduated from homeschooling and she regretted not going to public school for her senior year. She still was involved in clubs, volunteering and she even went to prom with a group of her public-school friends. But she told me it wasn't the same. I sent my son back to public school this year and when I see that kind of thing happening, I want to drag him right back out. I know that they have to make their own way and fight their own battles, but that girl was ganged up on. She could've easily been killed, it's good that it was all caught on video, so that those girls can be prosecuted.

[mac]

It didn't happen at school. For all you know, those kids could be home schoolers.

[MamaTyson74]

I have tried 3x to watch this video. But its probably best that I cant watch it!

[Bluesman]

It didn't happen at school. For all you know, those kids could be home schoolers.
They've certainly got "lessons" to learn for sho.

[betsy]

The sheriff said the girls showed absolutely no remorse and one wanted to know if she would miss cheer leading practice the next day. (so I guess it was a public school) What is this world coming to when teens can do that and have no conscience?

[mybabysmomma]

I haven't watched the video, but I read a couple of articles about this. It was a cowardly act and I hope they receive a severe punishment. Like TheKing said, I normally say let kids and teens work their own little b.s. out-- let 'em fight or whatever. BUt this is different. I hope they pay a price they won't forget. And I hope this wakes the parents up as to what their children are capable of doing, so maybe they'll make sure they get the psychological help they so obviously need.

Never happen. No matter what happens, some parents will always believe that it's someone else's fault. "Not my kid....the others put him/her up to it and he/she was scared to say no...not my kid..."

[Remington]

The victim, Victoria Lindsay, was an honor roll student and a varsity cheerleader. She is being pulled out of school and will be home schooled now.

[ComputerDude]

The victim, Victoria Lindsay, was an honor roll student and a varsity cheerleader. She is being pulled out of school and will be home schooled now.Yeah, with loss of hearing in an ear and loss of vision in an eye.
Every one of those kids need to have their butts kicked just like they did to her.

[jojobeans1120]

Again, everyone has a reason, excuse, or tries to place their actions on someone else.....
Make them deal with the consequences of their own actions. If the one girl did warn her, she could have just as easily ran next door to call the police, but didn't. She's as guilty as the others, in my opinion...

[opheliapo]

It didn't happen at school. For all you know, those kids could be home schoolers.


Forgive me, I read that one of them was hoping to be released in time for cheerleading practice. I assumed they attend a school.

[Luvia]

It's always Florida, it seems...

[luvnlife]

I just can't watch it...:smt009

[brianinms]

I fell robbed as I thought this was about the "real" Girls Gone Wild.

[wilebill]

I wonder if they would have been so cruel if it wasn't video taped. Sometimes people have to put on a good act when they know they're on video.

[wilebill]

I fell robbed as I thought this was about the "real" Girls Gone Wild.I'm sure the reason it has so many views is because noway keeps checking out the thread thinking there's a good video to watch.

[thrillseeker]

I hope they get every book there ever was throw at them. This is the most horriffic thing I have ever seen or heard about.

All I can say is thank God it wasnt in Mississippi.

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

Sometimes I'm really glad I don't have kids.

[Kddn]

I am so hung up on the "grown up" (one of the parents) in an interview stating that the victim has some responsibility as well...Speaks volumes as to why these girls act the way they do!

[Blockhead]

The sheriff said the girls showed absolutely no remorse and one wanted to know if she would miss cheer leading practice the next day. (so I guess it was a public school) What is this world coming to when teens can do that and have no conscience?
Is this the point where someone says "Atari"?

When parents don't start beating their kids early, and they take the paddle option off the table in school, what do they really expect?

Just be glad it was only as ass beating. That's tame for this day and age. I'd go so far as to call it "old school". No gunfire, after all.

[Blockhead]

I am so hung up on the "grown up" (one of the parents) in an interview stating that the victim has some responsibility as well.
Is that really such an outlandish claim?

I mean, yeah. Some people get beaten up for being different. Some for being arrogant or a smartass. Honestly, if the latter is true, then the victim does have to own her share of the responsibility. Can't be a bitch and expect people to tolerate it.

As a cheerleader,there's a better than average chance she was a bitch. Profiling, I know. But there's often a viable reason for getting one's ass beat, and it often stems from that very ass not getting beaten at home.

[Remington]

Some of the girls were worried about making it to cheerleader practice the next day. I hope that will no longer be a worry of them because they will be forever banned from a the cheerleader squad. That an some significant jail time.

[mspolitics82]

I have tried 3x to watch this video. But its probably best that I cant watch it!


same thing happened to me....I went to youtube.com and typed in
"teen beating lakeland" and it's easy to find

[fuzzis]

Is this the point where someone says "Atari"?

When parents don't start beating their kids early, and they take the paddle option off the table in school, what do they really expect?


*sigh*

Discipline does not have to equal corporal punishment. Violence is not the answer to preventing violence.

[ComputerDude]

Is that really such an outlandish claim?

I mean, yeah. Some people get beaten up for being different. Some for being arrogant or a smartass. Honestly, if the latter is true, then the victim does have to own her share of the responsibility. Can't be a bitch and expect people to tolerate it.

As a cheerleader,there's a better than average chance she was a bitch. Profiling, I know. But there's often a viable reason for getting one's ass beat, and it often stems from that very ass not getting beaten at home.
Are you really saying the girl may have deserved to be beaten into unconsciousness, then when she woke up beaten again? There are people in this world that would deserve that but I hardly think a teenage cheerleader is one of them.

[virgo]

Is that really such an outlandish claim?

I mean, yeah. Some people get beaten up for being different. Some for being arrogant or a smartass. Honestly, if the latter is true, then the victim does have to own her share of the responsibility. Can't be a bitch and expect people to tolerate it.

As a cheerleader,there's a better than average chance she was a bitch. Profiling, I know. But there's often a viable reason for getting one's ass beat, and it often stems from that very ass not getting beaten at home.

A viable reason?

No one deserves to be beaten the way she was beaten. Over the course of a half hour, she lost consciousness, woke up on the couch and they continued to beat her. I don't care what she did, no one deserves that. It's one thing to popped in the face during a fist fight....this was a beating. The last I heard, she may actually never get 100 percent of her hearing back in her left ear.

And I don't buy the whole ass beating at home bit. Aside from the fact that there are other ways to discipline a child, spanking them doesn't always work. Some kids crave attention no matter if it is positive or negative and many times, it's a lot easier to do bad than it is to do good in order to receive that attention.

:smt009

[Bluesman]

No, not every bad behaviour necessarily deserves a whopin....However, when the need arises it certainly does have an impact on whether or not the child repeats the behaviour. I mean if you were a kid and got a spanking for something stupid you did you may repeat the behaviour, but before you do I guarantee the thought of "Is it worth it? It sure did hurt like hell the last time..." .the youngun will say aw screw it... my arse still hurts from the last time... Then some will be rebelious and think it just don't matter they will do it anyway... Those are the ones that will be trouble one day if they don't wake up.

My dad used time out... Not the pansy ass time out they use in preschool, daycare, and kindergarten... but the ol' skool time out... He would take time out of his busy schedule to whip my arse if I stepped out of line... I had friends that got candy ass punishment when they were coming up and several of them have criminal records... some have served some serious jail time for some serious infractions... Others have marital/relationship problems, others have no personal responsibility and it shows in THEIR children now... there were a few, however, that turned out o.k... but those would have been ok whether they got a whippin or not.

[Bluesman]

The attitude exhibited by the parent that was defending her daughters actions says alot about how she was brought up and the discipline or LACK THERE OF that she experienced and is now utilizing for the raising of her own daughter. Looks like she herself could use a little time behind papa's woodshed. Stupidity is often times hereditary... You let two Jackasses breed you WILL get another Jackass to carry on the family traditions.:-D

[fuzzis]

No, not every bad behaviour necessarily deserves a whopin....However, when the need arises it certainly does have an impact on whether or not the child repeats the behaviour. I mean if you were a kid and got a spanking for something stupid you did you may repeat the behaviour, but before you do I guarantee the thought of "Is it worth it? It sure did hurt like hell the last time..." .the youngun will say aw screw it... my arse still hurts from the last time... Then some will be rebelious and think it just don't matter they will do it anyway... Those are the ones that will be trouble one day if they don't wake up.

I've worked in schools where corporal punishment was an option and where it wasn't. The school where it was employed regularly had far more discipline problems than the schools where it wasn't even an option. I had kids who got "licks" every day and nothing for them changed. So I'd say the "impact" is negligible. Particularly if a child knows that the only thing that's going to happen to them is that their ass is sore for a little while.

My dad used time out... Not the pansy ass time out they use in preschool, daycare, and kindergarten... but the ol' skool time out... He would take time out of his busy schedule to whip my arse if I stepped out of line... I had friends that got candy ass punishment when they were coming up and several of them have criminal records... some have served some serious jail time for some serious infractions... Others have marital/relationship problems, others have no personal responsibility and it shows in THEIR children now... there were a few, however, that turned out o.k... but those would have been ok whether they got a whippin or not.

If you want to trot out personal experience like it means something...I got maybe five spankings as a child. My brother got them regularly. Me, fairly upstanding citizen. Him? In and out of jail, messed up with drugs, abusive. I'm not so naive as to believe that our different courses in life were predicated upon the fact that we did and did not receive spankings.

What it really comes down to is that if we're willing to do the work, then we don't have to hit our children to teach them boundaries and what is acceptable and what is not. Just because it was done to us and we turned out OK doesn't mean that it was OK or that something else wouldn't have been even more effective. People all over the country and the world eschew inflicting violence (hitting someone is an act of violence regardless of the intent behind it) on their children...and manage to raise well-behaved, respectful, mannered children. There *is* another way.

[ComputerDude]

Here are the little angels.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9259/storydx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Bluesman]

If you want to trot out personal experience like it means something...I got maybe five spankings as a child. My brother got them regularly. Me, fairly upstanding citizen. Him? In and out of jail, messed up with drugs, abusive. I'm not so naive as to believe that our different courses in life were predicated upon the fact that we did and did not receive spankings.

There *is* another way.

You are an upstanding citizen and I commend you for that, but you would have probably turned out the way you did whether you got the spankins or not... I addressed that in my post... Some didn't get em and turned out good but they were just good by nature. Others, it don't matter WHAT you do they are gonna be bad, it is THEIR nature. If a whippin won't work on a hard head then a time out certainly won't.... I won't say that I'm the citizen that I am based solely on the fact that occasionally I had the board of education applied, but I will say that it certainly didn't hurt in shaping the way I make decisions.

[fuzzis]

You are an upstanding citizen and I commend you for that, but you would have probably turned out the way you did whether you got the spankins or not... I addressed that in my post... Some didn't get em and turned out good but they were just good by nature. Others, it don't matter WHAT you do they are gonna be bad, it is THEIR nature. If a whippin won't work on a hard head then a time out certainly won't.... I won't say that I'm the citizen that I am based solely on the fact that occasionally I had the board of education applied, but I will say that it certainly didn't hurt in shaping the way I make decisions.

You've said "time out" now twice like it's the only other option. Disciplining a child is more than an either you spank them or you give them a "time out".

As teacher's we're taught that consequences should be logical if they're going to be effective. What's logical about spanking a child because he or she didn't do his or her homework? Or spanking a child because he or she smarted off?

[OTM]

What's logical about spanking a child because he or she didn't do his or her homework? Or spanking a child because he or she smarted off?I'd have to say that neither of those two are logical, but I do believe that there are times when a good spanking is logical. If a child learns that certain actions will result in enough pain, he/she will change that behavior. Beat a kid? Certainly not. Discipline a kid? Yes.

[Honey]

Wow! Look into their eyes. Maybe it is the 'mugshot' pictures but look how mean they look. It's in their eyes.

[virgo]

Wow! Look into their eyes. Maybe it is the 'mugshot' pictures but look how mean they look. It's in their eyes.

You should see one of the girls' (Mercades) myspace page. :smt009

[Fish-Bait]

Atari kids.....

[Fish-Bait]

They are ugly as a toad frog.

[LEGS]

They are ugly as a toad frog.


Now that wasn't nice.

[OTM]

They are ugly as a toad frog.Most people aren't looking their best when their mugshot is taken.

[Fish-Bait]

Now that wasn't nice.

Neither are those hoodlum atari kids.

Most people aren't looking their best when their mugshot is taken.

You should see Paris Hilton's mugshot......smokin' hot.:-D

[ComputerDude]

You should see Paris Hilton's mugshot......smokin' hot.:-D
Cuz every picture she takes she poses for. Doesn't matter the occasion.

[amanda]

Saw this on CNN this morning with an interview of the Sheriff and the victim's mom. These other "children" are all facing felony charges ranging from felony battery, kidnapping, and unlawful imprisonment. One of the girls is 18, several were 17, and another was 14 from what I understand. I hope they get charged as adults and then not only will they not have to worry about cheerleading practice anymore, they can obtain their High School degree through the local penal institution they are sentenced to.

[Kddn]

Is that really such an outlandish claim?

I mean, yeah. Some people get beaten up for being different. Some for being arrogant or a smartass. Honestly, if the latter is true, then the victim does have to own her share of the responsibility. Can't be a bitch and expect people to tolerate it.

As a cheerleader,there's a better than average chance she was a bitch. Profiling, I know. But there's often a viable reason for getting one's ass beat, and it often stems from that very ass not getting beaten at home.

I'm sorry high school was hard on you:cry:...and I guess that makes me fit the profile. I don't think anything about a persons a personality or attitude calls for what happened in this case...

[SoMissTV]

You should see one of the girls' (Mercades) myspace page. :smt009

Yeah, that was a little disturbing.

[LipsofanAngel]

do y'all have the link to that myspace page?

[SoMissTV]

do y'all have the link to that myspace page?

It's probably not appropriate for us to post it here, as she is under 18. However, searching for the girl's name on myspace might answer your question...

[Fish-Bait]

damn....there is like 57 million mercades...or whatever....shit.

[OTM]

Boy, that LOA post vanished quick.

[OTM]

Mercades Nichols

[LipsofanAngel]

yeah, I was bein a smartass, then decided against it. My head hurts, and I don't feel like bein mean...

but yeah, her myspace page- wow. Kids these days don't surprise me anymore though...

[Fish-Bait]

damn.....she must like to crack alot....jeeez....mommy needs to check on her little atari girl....good grief...all the f'n and stuff on there....she's ugly too.

[LipsofanAngel]

damn.....she must like to crack alot....jeeez....mommy needs to check on her little atari girl....good grief...all the f'n and stuff on there....she's ugly too.
was her mom the one defending the girls? If so, then I doubt mommy would think twice about what was on their page. Mom probably helped her pick the layout and the quotes.

[CircusRide]

They should just give these girls a pool of jello and let them go at it.

[ComputerDude]

was her mom the one defending the girls? If so, then I doubt mommy would think twice about what was on their page. Mom probably helped her pick the layout and the quotes.I think one of the mothers has her own MySpace page.

They should just give these girls a pool of jello and let them go at it.MMmmmmmmmmmm....Jellllllooooooo.:smt118

[LipsofanAngel]

Anyone notice that her last long in was yesterday?? Are they not being held in detention until a hearing? If they are- WHY oh WHY are they given the privilege of signing on myspace???

[Fish-Bait]

I don't know whose mom did what Lips. I do know that if I had a daughter and I found stuff like that on her page and she was livin' under my roof I would go cut me a gall-berry limb and switch the hell out of her.

[Fish-Bait]

anybody gonna' do a friends request????? lol

[Blockhead]

*sigh*

Discipline does not have to equal corporal punishment. Violence is not the answer to preventing violence.
Funny how the violence in school escalated dramatically after corporal punishment became "abuse".

[noway]

Trashy Girls..

Why didnt the chick fight back? I just dont see the beating that everyone is talking about. Thses beating happen all the time.

[Blockhead]

Are you really saying the girl may have deserved to be beaten into unconsciousness, then when she woke up beaten again? There are people in this world that would deserve that but I hardly think a teenage cheerleader is one of them.
I have no idea what she did to provoke this, if anything at all. But the fact remains that there's a good chance she may have done something to invite it.

[SoMissTV]

Funny how the violence in school escalated dramatically after corporal punishment became "abuse".

Perhaps coverage of school violence escalated dramatically with the onset of 24 hour cable news networks...

[fuzzis]

Funny how the violence in school escalated dramatically after corporal punishment became "abuse".

You should provide some support for that statement because I'm thinking it's some serious bullshit.

[Blockhead]

A viable reason?

No one deserves to be beaten the way she was beaten. Over the course of a half hour, she lost consciousness, woke up on the couch and they continued to beat her. I don't care what she did, no one deserves that. It's one thing to popped in the face during a fist fight....this was a beating. The last I heard, she may actually never get 100 percent of her hearing back in her left ear.

And I don't buy the whole ass beating at home bit. Aside from the fact that there are other ways to discipline a child, spanking them doesn't always work. Some kids crave attention no matter if it is positive or negative and many times, it's a lot easier to do bad than it is to do good in order to receive that attention.

:smt009
So, once again, we're back to the failures of the parents.

Also, she evidently knew these girls, thus she had to know they were 6" away from being bat shit crazy to begin with. If she did do something to warrant getting her ass kicked, which she may or may not have done, then she should have expected that an ass beating from this lot would tend to be on the excessive side.

Simply reading a story like this and saying "Oh, my! How horrible!" doesn't show much analytical thinking. There's usually a reason behind everything. Call me crazy, but I tend to be curious about what prompted something like this. Seems more relevant than just some canned "Oh that poor baby!"

That poor baby may have kicked one of those girl's elderly grandma in the head. Unlikely, but the fact is that we don't know.

[hendrixfreak70]

So, once again, we're back to the failures of the parents.

Also, she evidently knew these girls, thus she had to know they were 6" away from being bat shit crazy to begin with. If she did do something to warrant getting her ass kicked, which she may or may not have done, then she should have expected that an ass beating from this lot would tend to be on the excessive side.

Simply reading a story like this and saying "Oh, my! How horrible!" doesn't show much analytical thinking. There's usually a reason behind everything. Call me crazy, but I tend to be curious about what prompted something like this. Seems more relevant than just some canned "Oh that poor baby!"

That poor baby may have kicked one of those girl's elderly grandma in the head. Unlikely, but the fact is that we don't know.

Certainly, a doubting Thomas. I too feel the same way. I am skeptical of when these stories come out. Course, imma total conspiracy theorist anyway.

[Fish-Bait]

All's I gotta' say is these kids have atari parents....they just didn't parent.....

I have sat here today worried sick to my stomach about my boy Jr.. He had a very troubling episode last night that just came out of nowhere. He just fell off of his rocker. It was mad. He's getting help though this Thursday. He's been going through that testing stuff....I mean he's great for a month or so and them BAM.....the freakin' devil comes out in him. Now I am sittin' here wondering if I have failed him in some way. You know. I want to blame myself. Hopefully all of his behavior problems will get worked out in the near future.

I will do everything within' my power to ensure that my kids don't do something like these girls have. What they did was horrible and yes, I would like to line all of em' up and turn the girl loose that they beat and let her beat the ever living shit out of them. Sorry, that's just me......carry on.

[LipsofanAngel]

I'm sure there was something that the girls saw as a "reason" to beat the victim. I also know that fights happen daily among adolescents. Still doesn't mean that we should just sit back and justify it though...

2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Blockhead]

You should provide some support for that statement because I'm thinking it's some serious bullshit.
How many school shootings were there prior to the Pearl, Columbine, etc epidemic?

Take my word on this. Kids didn't just start daydreaming of shooting up the school a few years ago. That's been common for longer than either of us has been alive. But the more we stray from the simple lesson of consequences, the more we see children acting on ideas like this with little to no regard for what may happen next.

My ass and the back of my legs stayed red. I can assure you, that stayed with me and kept me from doing a lot of the dumb shit that crossed my mind as a child, whether my folks were nearby or not. I understood the concept of consequences. I don't think that lesson is being taught very well these days, and the evidence is everywhere you look.

[hendrixfreak70]

All's I gotta' say is these kids have atari parents....they just didn't parent.....

I have sat here today worried sick to my stomach about my boy Jr.. He had a very troubling episode last night that just came out of nowhere. He just fell off of his rocker. It was mad. He's getting help though this Thursday. He's been going through that testing stuff....I mean he's great for a month or so and them BAM.....the freakin' devil comes out in him. Now I am sittin' here wondering if I have failed him in some way. You know. I want to blame myself. Hopefully all of his behavior problems will get worked out in the near future.

I will do everything within' my power to ensure that my kids don't do something like these girls have. What they did was horrible and yes, I would like to line all of em' up and turn the girl loose that they beat and let her beat the ever living shit out of them. Sorry, that's just me......carry on.

I don't know your situation but I would be willing to bet that we all at one time acted out and our parents were alarmed at the behavior. Then they questioned themselves. I am sure it has nothing to do with you as a parent. We are all unique and I would be willing to bet that everything is ok. By the pics that you post it is obvious you love your boys, and love is the key ingredient to proper upbringing.

[Blockhead]

Perhaps coverage of school violence escalated dramatically with the onset of 24 hour cable news networks...
Pretty sure mass executions on campus didn't need cable news to spread the word. Just a thought.

[Fish-Bait]

How many school shootings were there prior to the Pearl, Columbine, etc epidemic?

Take my word on this. Kids didn't just start daydreaming of shooting up the school a few years ago. That's been common for longer than either of us has been alive. But the more we stray from the simple lesson of consequences, the more we see children acting on ideas like this with little to no regard for what may happen next.

My ass and the back of my legs stayed red. I can assure you, that stayed with me and kept me from doing a lot of the dumb shit that crossed my mind as a child, whether my folks were nearby or not. I understood the concept of consequences. I don't think that lesson is being taught very well these days, and the evidence is everywhere you look.


I somewhat agree with you, but corporal punishment and the way I have use it just isn't as cut and dry like you think.

For instance, I can spank Jr. everyday and some things he's just not going to stop doing, like talkin' back every now and then or tell him not to get in the mudholes outside....I usually use the surprise attack. Like the time I caught him sprayin' water in my shop from the water hose. I will tell you this, corp. punishment doesn't work for every kid on every aspect of discipline, wether you sit down and talk with them or not. My son is a shining example of that.

[fuzzis]

How many school shootings were there prior to the Pearl, Columbine, etc epidemic?

Take my word on this. Kids didn't just start daydreaming of shooting up the school a few years ago. That's been common for longer than either of us has been alive. But the more we stray from the simple lesson of consequences, the more we see children acting on ideas like this with little to no regard for what may happen next.

My ass and the back of my legs stayed red. I can assure you, that stayed with me and kept me from doing a lot of the dumb shit that crossed my mind as a child, whether my folks were nearby or not. I understood the concept of consequences. I don't think that lesson is being taught very well these days, and the evidence is everywhere you look.

There are several fundamental flaws with your assumption, the first being that lots of places within the United States haven't had corporal punishment in the schools for a very, very long time. Second is that we don't see these things in other places where corporal punishment is not the societal norm.

So. Try again. Come back with some *real* support for that statement.

You are confusing consequences with corporal punishment. The two are not synonymous, no matter how hard folks try to make them.

[Blockhead]

Certainly, a doubting Thomas. I too feel the same way. I am skeptical of when these stories come out. Course, imma total conspiracy theorist anyway.
Makes life interesting. ;)

[Blockhead]

There are several fundamental flaws with your assumption, the first being that lots of places within the United States haven't had corporal punishment in the schools for a very, very long time. Second is that we don't see these things in other places where corporal punishment is not the societal norm.

So. Try again. Come back with some *real* support for that statement.

You are confusing consequences with corporal punishment. The two are not synonymous, no matter how hard folks try to make them.
I was more referring to corporal punishment at home, but okay.

But, yes. Ass beating = consequence. It's one of the first and most basic things a child learns before their 2nd birthday. Or, should learn.

[jkspatty]

[quote=Blockhead;516731]So, once again, we're back to the failures of the parents.

Also, she evidently knew these girls, thus she had to know they were 6" away from being bat shit crazy to begin with. If she did do something to warrant getting her ass kicked, which she may or may not have done, then she should have expected that an ass beating from this lot would tend to be on the excessive side.

Simply reading a story like this and saying "Oh, my! How horrible!" doesn't show much analytical thinking. There's usually a reason behind everything. Call me crazy, but I tend to be curious about what prompted something like this. Seems more relevant than just some canned "Oh that poor baby!"


I'm sure we all have a good reason to beat the crap out of someone every day, however the fact reamins that we are supposed to be a civilized society. Oh, and it is against the law to assault another human being regardless of what they might have done to make us mad. Besides, this was a group beating, which shows a pack mentality, and I think they thought it would be cool to post on you tube. Heathens.....

[Blockhead]

I somewhat agree with you, but corporal punishment and the way I have use it just isn't as cut and dry like you think.

For instance, I can spank Jr. everyday and some things he's just not going to stop doing, like talkin' back every now and then or tell him not to get in the mudholes outside....I usually use the surprise attack. Like the time I caught him sprayin' water in my shop from the water hose. I will tell you this, corp. punishment doesn't work for every kid on every aspect of discipline, wether you sit down and talk with them or not. My son is a shining example of that.
If there was a universal cure-all for Rotten Kid Syndrome, the FDA would restrict its use and we'd have to pay out the ass to get it. ;)

One thing I've noticed about ass beatings is that if you don't start early, like 1.5 - 2 years old, then it's too late. Can't start after they've already turned 4 or 5 and think they run the house. You're just pissing them off at that point.

[Fish-Bait]

I started spattin' their hands somewhere around 14 mos. You know....when they go to put there finger in the light socket.

[fuzzis]

I was more referring to corporal punishment at home, but okay.

But, yes. Ass beating = consequence. It's one of the first and most basic things a child learns before their 2nd birthday. Or, should learn.

Consequence that has no connection to the behavior...that is not logical...is a consequence that has little meaning, and one that ultimately won't work to curb the behavior.

[OTM]

If that ass beating, as he says, delivers enough pain, they will associate pain with a certain behavior and curb that behavior. Everybody doesn't have little angels.

[Blockhead]

I'm sure there was something that the girls saw as a "reason" to beat the victim. I also know that fights happen daily among adolescents. Still doesn't mean that we should just sit back and justify it though...

2 wrongs don't make a right.
But 3 lefts do.

[Blockhead]

Consequence that has no connection to the behavior...that is not logical...is a consequence that has little meaning, and one that ultimately won't work to curb the behavior.

If that ass beating, as he says, delivers enough pain, they will associate pain with a certain behavior and curb that behavior. Everybody doesn't have little angels.
What OTM said.

This isn't random spankings, or shoving your dog's nose in an hour old pile of poo.

Used to be known as parenting. Not sure what the hell happened.

[SoMissTV]

Pretty sure mass executions on campus didn't need cable news to spread the word. Just a thought.

You're right. Tell that to the families of the 14 killed at UT-Austin, or the 3 in Orangeburg, or the 7 at Cal State - Fullerton, or the 2 at Cleveland Elementary School, or the 2 at Parkway South Jr. High, or the 6 at (another) Cleveland Elementary School, or the 6 at Iowa St. All of these shootings occurred before the heyday of nonstop cable news and the internet.

[Blockhead]

I started spattin' their hands somewhere around 14 mos. You know....when they go to put there finger in the light socket.
And, somehow, they learn to leave that damn thing alone, eh?

Amazing, ain't it?

[Blockhead]

You're right. Tell that to the families of the 14 killed at UT-Austin, or the 3 in Orangeburg, or the 7 at Cal State - Fullerton, or the 2 at Cleveland Elementary School, or the 2 at Parkway South Jr. High, or the 6 at (another) Cleveland Elementary School, or the 6 at Iowa St. All of these shootings occurred before the heyday of nonstop cable news and the internet.
All traces back to wonderful parenting, I'd wager.

[SoMissTV]

All traces back to wonderful parenting, I'd wager.

And all occurred when corporal punishment was regularly administered.

[fuzzis]

What OTM said.

This isn't random spankings, or shoving your dog's nose in an hour old pile of poo.

Used to be known as parenting. Not sure what the hell happened.

Like I said...you're confusing corporal punishment with consequences. You can parent, and people do all over the world, without resorting to violence against a child. Sure, hitting a kid is easy enough, and you really don't have to do any of that hard work of "parenting", but again, if consequences are to be effective, they need to be logical.

I've tried, but I can't think of a single instance when the logical response to a child's misbehavior is to hit him or her.

[LEGS]

I'm guessing those shootings occured at the hands of deeply troubled kids whose parents weren't administering much of anything to them...punishment or otherwise. I believe they were being ignored.

[Fish-Bait]

Like I said...you're confusing corporal punishment with consequences. You can parent, and people do all over the world, without resorting to violence against a child. Sure, hitting a kid is easy enough, and you really don't have to do any of that hard work of "parenting", but again, if consequences are to be effective, they need to be logical.

I've tried, but I can't think of a single instance when the logical response to a child's misbehavior is to hit him or her.

So what was I supposed to do fuzzi...let him get hit with 110 volts?

[fuzzis]

So what was I supposed to do fuzzi...let him get hit with 110 volts?

Not at all. But how is hitting him logical?

Like when he was spraying water in your shop? A logical consequence would have been to have to mop it out. You make a mess, you clean it up. Even if it takes forever...when you'd rather be at the pond fishing, or playing on the four-wheeler.

[OTM]

So what was I supposed to do fuzzi...let him get hit with 110 volts?
You tell him what a bad bad boy he's been, but try not to give him some sort of complex about himself. I'm guessing.

[OTM]

I'm sure this will cause a firestorm, but non-parents should not be giving out parenting advice. Just a thought.

[hendrixfreak70]

So what was I supposed to do fuzzi...let him get hit with 110 volts?

It just boils down to a difference in parenting. Me, I am going to whip my son when he does wrong, maybe not everytime but when I deem necessary. For instance, like FB is saying, when your child puts his finger in an electrical socket, putting them in 'time-out' is not going to remind him the next time that not to stick his finger in the socket. Pavlov showed us that doing the same thing over and over again will eventually condition that subject to a desired response, even though they were dogs, I am sure it works the same for humans. This case, spanking leads to pain, pain ties into the memory, the memory gets jogged eventually into not doing something that they shouldn't do.

[hendrixfreak70]

Not at all. But how is hitting him logical?

Like when he was spraying water in your shop? A logical consequence would have been to have to mop it out. You make a mess, you clean it up. Even if it takes forever...when you'd rather be at the pond fishing, or playing on the four-wheeler.

How does that stop the child from spraying water into the house the next time? Or the baby's crib?

[fuzzis]

I'm sure this will cause a firestorm, but non-parents should not be giving out parenting advice. Just a thought.

Yeah. Because being a parent means you automatically know what's best for the child. Like the guy who threw his kids off the bridge in Alabama. :smt105 And just because you're not a parent doesn't mean that you haven't interacted with children and haven't been in situations where you have to provide discipline for them.

Do a search for discipline and children. They're saying the same things I am.

Who were you the last time you were here, OTM?

[58ford]

Ya ever think maybe amateurs shouldn't be allowed to have kids??