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PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:17 AM
Got this in an email...it really puts things into perspective. Don't have the name of the source, though. It looks credible enough. Read on!

(This post was edited becuase the pics didn't show up)

http://earlychristianamerica.com/blog/?p=65

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 09:19 AM
Got this in an email...it really puts things into perspective. Don't have the name of the source, though. It looks credible enough. Read on!


FIRST… do you know what ANWR is?
ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.



Now… A comparison



http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1




And some perspective…


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=3&fid=Inbox&inline=1




NOTE WHERE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA IS…


(it's in the "ANWR Coastal Plain")


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=4&fid=Inbox&inline=1




THIS IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS AND "GREENS" SHOW YOU WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ANWR


…and they are right… these ARE photographs of ANWR


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=5&fid=Inbox&inline=1 http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=6&fid=Inbox&inline=1


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=7&fid=Inbox&inline=1



ISN'T ANWR BEAUTIFUL? WHY SHOULD WE DRILL HERE (AND DESTROY) THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE?





WELL… THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE TRUTH



Do you remember the map?



The map showed that the proposed drilling area is in the ANWR Coastal Plain



Do those photographs look like a coastal plain to you?




WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?


THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE…



THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY ARE WANTING TO DRILL!



THIS IS WHAT THE PROPOSED EXPLORATION AREAACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN THE WINTER


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=8&fid=Inbox&inline=1



AND THIS IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IN THE SUMMER


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=9&fid=Inbox&inline=1http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=10&fid=Inbox&inline=1


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=11&fid=Inbox&inline=1



AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DRILLING IS A BARREN WASTELAND.



OH… AND THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECT ON THE LOCAL WILDLIFE…



HERE IS A PHOTO (SHOT DURING THE SUMMER) OF THE
"DEPLETED WILDLIFE" SITUATION CREATED BY DRILLING AROUND PRUDHOE BAY *…
DON'T YOU THINK THAT THE CARIBOU REALLY HATETHAT DRILLING?




http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=12&fid=Inbox&inline=1



HERE'S THAT SAME SPOT DURING THE WINTER.


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=13&fid=Inbox&inline=1



HEY, THIS BEAR SEEMS TO REALLY HATE THE PIPELINE NEAR PRUDHOE BAY *…


http://f371.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1%5f31892%5fAGtVv9EAAR1xSGui3w1sugkgB 8k&pid=14&fid=Inbox&inline=1


*The Prudhoe bay area accounts for 17% of U.S. domestic oil production



NOW, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARELYING ABOUT ANWR?


REMEMBER WHEN AL GORE SAID THAT
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD WORK TO ARTIFICIALLY RAISE GAS PRICES
TO $5.00 A GALLON?




WELL…


AL GORE AND HIS FELLOW DEMOCRATS HAVE ALMOST REACHED THEIR GOAL!



NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN LYING,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?




YOU CAN START BY FORWARDING THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW…

SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW THE TRUTH.




I see nothing but red ''xs'', but I am all about drilling regardless of the habitat it destroys!

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:21 AM
Dammit. Let me see if I can fix it. The pictures are what really make you think!

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 09:28 AM
I see nothing but red ''xs'', but I am all about drilling regardless of the habitat it destroys!

:smt103

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:35 AM
OK, should be fixed now. I am seeing the pics.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 09:37 AM
:(:smt102

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:39 AM
Well, crap. I guess its still messed up. If you want a copy of the whole thing, PM an email address and I'll forward it to ya. Sorry!

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:44 AM
Nevermind, found the origional link.

http://earlychristianamerica.com/blog/?p=65

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 09:44 AM
hendrixfreak70@hotmail.com

Not real bashful about who knows who I am.

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:44 AM
hendrixfreak70@hotmail.com

Not real bashful about who knows who I am.

I found the link Hendrix. Click it.

http://earlychristianamerica.com/blog/?p=65

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 09:47 AM
I found the link Hendrix. Click it.

http://earlychristianamerica.com/blog/?p=65


That is awesome, it's a little speck in the actual ANWR. It's not like we are going to go in there and wreck the whole thing!! Great post. What say you environmentalists? Liberals? I love the idea, we should also be opening up the shorelines and stuff. We need to start electing officials based upon the premise they push for it.

fuzzis
07-03-2008, 09:51 AM
That is awesome, it's a little speck in the actual ANWR. It's not like we are going to go in there and wreck the whole thing!! Great post. What say you environmentalists? Liberals? I love the idea, we should also be opening up the shorelines and stuff. We need to start electing officials based upon the premise they push for it.

Not for it. Don't particularly care about the pictures. Drilling in ANWAR gives our government yet another excuse to do nothing about the energy crisis we perpetually seem to be in. AND I don't trust our government to stop at a "tiny spec". They're not known for being the greatest stewards of our environment, particularly when it suits their purpose not to be.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 09:53 AM
Not for it. Don't particularly care about the pictures. Drilling in ANWAR gives our government yet another excuse to do nothing about the energy crisis we perpetually seem to be in. AND I don't trust our government to stop at a "tiny spec". They're not known for being the greatest stewards of our environment, particularly when it suits their purpose not to be.


Lol, you're talking to a guy that believes 9/11 was an inside job. I too am a cynic. I also agree there needs to be something else done about it. We need to break our dependence on foreign oil for sure and this would at least be a step in that direction, I believe.

OTM
07-03-2008, 09:54 AM
Drill it, drain it, screw the left. They don't want us to screw up our environment, but they couldn't care less if the middle east screws up theirs.

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 09:56 AM
Lol, you're talking to a guy that believes 9/11 was an inside job. I too am a cynic. I also agree there needs to be something else done about it. We need to break our dependence on foreign oil for sure and this would at least be a step in that direction, I believe.

Dammit Hendrix. FAIL

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:01 AM
Dammit Hendrix. FAIL

Lol. I know, it's not a popular perspective but to me it is what it is. I hate ending a sentence with a verb, but it will be ok it will be!

OTM
07-03-2008, 10:04 AM
I hate ending a sentence with a verb, but it will be ok it will be!It depends on what your meaning of is is.....hey wait...nevermind.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:05 AM
It depends on what your meaning of is is.....hey wait...nevermind.



:bowrofl:

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 10:06 AM
Ok, ok. Agree to disagree (before this thread takes a drastic turn for the worst)!

:cheers:

Fire Extinguisher
07-03-2008, 10:06 AM
Just another example of the lying politicians(DEMS) lying to gain more control over our lives

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:08 AM
I would seriously like to hear someone else's side to it. I have really strong convictions about it but I am always open to others' interpretations of things via PM if you would like. No arguing or anything, I haven't always believed as I do.

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:09 AM
And what will we do when the oil in ANWAR runs out?

If we're going to spend money on something, let's spend money on developing alternative fuel sources....plus, I agree, if you let the govt. have ANWAR, they'll find a way to take the rest of the land.....just ask the Indians.....

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:11 AM
The GOP needs to get out of bed with the oil companies.....we are no longer a major player in the foreign oil market....it's time to start focusing on some real solutions to our energy crisis....

Fire Extinguisher
07-03-2008, 10:16 AM
GOP in bed?

It would be interesting to know just how many Representatives and Senators that are a part of Mr Obama's party own stock in EXXON... or any other company for that matter.

betsy
07-03-2008, 10:16 AM
Just another example of the lying politicians(DEMS) lying to gain more control over our lives

IMO All politicians lie. Not just the Democrats and I think that most of them are in the business for the money and they don't care who they hurt to get it. No one could have hurt us any more than Bush has. Let the facts speak for themselves.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:17 AM
GOP in bed?

It would be interesting to know just how many Representatives and Senators that are a part of Mr Obama's party own stock in EXXON... or any other company for that matter.


Once again, bam!! That's why I hate both parties.:smt023

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:18 AM
GOP in bed?

It would be interesting to know just how many Representatives and Senators that are a part of Mr Obama's party own stock in EXXON... or any other company for that matter.

I agree....but why are we bashing Dems for trying to block drilling in ANWAR?

fuzzis
07-03-2008, 10:19 AM
GOP in bed?

It would be interesting to know just how many Representatives and Senators that are a part of Mr Obama's party own stock in EXXON... or any other company for that matter.

Anyone who has a mutual fund or is part of a retirement system probably has stock in an oil company.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:19 AM
We're all culpable.

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:20 AM
I don't remember "The Right to Drill Oil" being in the Constitution, but I didn't finish law school, so maybe I missed that course.....

I don't see protecting unmolested land as a restriction on freedom....

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 10:21 AM
IMO All politicians lie. Not just the Democrats and I think that most of them are in the business for the money and they don't care who they hurt to get it. No one could have hurt us any more than Bush has. Let the facts speak for themselves.

I disagree. From http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/worstpresidents/

1. James Buchanan (1857-1861) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.buchanan.htm)

He refused to challenge either the spread of slavery or the growing bloc of states that became the Confederacy.


2. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.harding.htm)

He was an ineffectual and indecisive leader who played poker while his friends plundered the U.S. treasury.


5. Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.fillmore.htm)

He backed the Compromise of 1850 that delayed the Southern secession by allowing slavery to spread.

9. (tie) Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.hoover.htm)

He was known as a poor communicator who fueled trade wars and exacerbated the Depression.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:30 AM
I disagree. From http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/worstpresidents/

1. James Buchanan (1857-1861) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.buchanan.htm)

He refused to challenge either the spread of slavery or the growing bloc of states that became the Confederacy.


2. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.harding.htm)

He was an ineffectual and indecisive leader who played poker while his friends plundered the U.S. treasury.


5. Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.fillmore.htm)

He backed the Compromise of 1850 that delayed the Southern secession by allowing slavery to spread.

9. (tie) Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.hoover.htm)

He was known as a poor communicator who fueled trade wars and exacerbated the Depression.


I could insert my conspiracy theory ideas here but won't. Lol. You left our Woodrow Wilson and FDR, the two most corrupt ones we have ever had.

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 10:30 AM
guys...If we drill anwr the prices will go down.


We've been through this cycle before. When we start using our own the Saudis will start losing money and they will drop their prices and fuel will go back down.

We've already seen this happen. I don't know why people won't come to realize it.

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:32 AM
guys...If we drill anwr the prices will go down.


We've been through this cycle before. When we start using our own the Saudis will start losing money and they will drop their prices and fuel will go back down.

We've already seen this happen. I don't know why people won't come to realize it.


I disagree....the Saudis don't really care what or how much we buy anymore....China will buy it, if we won't.....China is the major player now....we used to be....not anymore...

We'll need to start drilling in more places than ANWAR.....maybe we can drill in Melba....

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 10:32 AM
I could insert my conspiracy theory ideas here but won't. Lol. You left our Woodrow Wilson and FDR, the two most corrupt ones we have ever had.

Yeah, I only included a few. However, FDR did kick some ass in WWII, so he gets a pass from me!:smt023

jkspatty
07-03-2008, 10:33 AM
I disagree. From http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/worstpresidents/

1. James Buchanan (1857-1861) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.buchanan.htm)

He refused to challenge either the spread of slavery or the growing bloc of states that became the Confederacy.


2. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.harding.htm)

He was an ineffectual and indecisive leader who played poker while his friends plundered the U.S. treasury.


5. Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.fillmore.htm)

He backed the Compromise of 1850 that delayed the Southern secession by allowing slavery to spread.

9. (tie) Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070216/16president.hoover.htm)

He was known as a poor communicator who fueled trade wars and exacerbated the Depression.


Yeah, she should have specified ..."hurt us more than Bush has in the past 75 years";)

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:34 AM
guys...If we drill anwr the prices will go down.


We've been through this cycle before. When we start using our own the Saudis will start losing money and they will drop their prices and fuel will go back down.

We've already seen this happen. I don't know why people won't come to realize it.

Because the oil would run out (which oil does that from time to time). Being sarcastic there. The government doesn't want to explore alternative fuel sources because they want us to be dependent on foreign oil. It still may hurt the environment. Oil is traded in dollars, the dollar is weak because it is not backed by anything. The Euro has hurt the dollar. I agree with Bait, if we introduce our on oil then OPEC will have no choice to lower prices because two of the largest oil consumers are China and the US. Then, while the drilling is going on, speculation will cause the prices here to drop. Demand would wane, and we could explore alternatives in the process. But, our politicians are stupid.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:34 AM
Yeah, I only included a few. However, FDR did kick some ass in WWII, so he gets a pass from me!:smt023


Pearl Harbor was a....... lmao!

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 10:37 AM
Pearl Harbor was a....... lmao!

If you say inside job...then I will have to take you to the woodshed and give you an attitude adjustment!

:smack:

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:38 AM
If you say inside job...then I will have to take you to the woodshed and give you an attitude adjustment!

:smack:


:bowrofl:;)

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 10:39 AM
I disagree....the Saudis don't really care what or how much we buy anymore....China will buy it, if we won't.....China is the major player now....we used to be....not anymore...

We'll need to start drilling in more places than ANWAR.....maybe we can drill in Melba....

Drill in Melba....I don't care..

and China is already subsidizing their fuel prices.

I also hear about these states that have closed there shores saying that if they start drilling it will impact the environment and there could be a spill.......

Ya'll remember Katrina? Did ya'll hear of any major oil spills that destroyed and ruined the environment. Did you know that platforms were overturned?

do you know how much marine life is enhanced with just setting up a drilling rig? it does wonders for marine life.

I'm not sayin' we don't need to look for alternative energy, but the economy needs some relief and some folks just like holdin' folks by the sack for the sake of bein' a leftist kool-aid drinkin' tree hugger that has not a bit of common sense.

jkspatty
07-03-2008, 10:41 AM
How is marine life "enhanced" by setting up a drilling rig? And what exactly do you mean by "enhanced"?:confused:

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:43 AM
All I'm sayin is that we are looking for a quick solution (ANWAR) to a long, never ending problem.....if we really want to hold the Saudis and other foreign oil produces by the sack, let's quick f-ing around will oil production all together.....I still believe, despite some of the numbers that prove otherwise, that America is home to the most talented and ambitious people in the World.....let's give these people some damn money to go out and find an alternative to the never ending oil game.....

Then, prices will drop.....for good....

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 10:44 AM
How is marine life "enhanced" by setting up a drilling rig? And what exactly do you mean by "enhanced"?:confused:

marine life love structures.....that's why people scuba dive around ship wrecks and such.....

I agree with fishbait on this point....

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:45 AM
Hey PHD, 9/11, Pearl Harbor, Reichstag, and a million other things through history were

<CENTER>http://www.snopes.com/rumors/images/bill03.jpg</CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER> </CENTER><CENTER>LOL!!! </CENTER>

fuzzis
07-03-2008, 10:45 AM
guys...If we drill anwr the prices will go down.


We've been through this cycle before. When we start using our own the Saudis will start losing money and they will drop their prices and fuel will go back down.

We've already seen this happen. I don't know why people won't come to realize it.

That might have been true 20 years ago...but we're not longer the super power we were then. We've lost a lot of the economic muscle we once wielded, and with oil tied to the sinking dollar, the price has no choice but to continue to rise. We've already cut consumption, and the prices continue to rise.

It's time to cut the bullshit and old-school thinking and come up with a new solution.

jkspatty
07-03-2008, 10:46 AM
marine life love structures.....that's why people scuba dive around ship wrecks and such.....

I agree with fishbait on this point....


oh, okay. Didn't think about it like that.

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 10:53 AM
How is marine life "enhanced" by setting up a drilling rig? And what exactly do you mean by "enhanced"?:confused:


Check out this site. (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gomr.mms.gov/images_opt/GRAPHICS/RigstoReefs/Image1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/regulate/environ/rigs-to-reefs/artificial-reefs.html&h=225&w=300&sz=8&hl=en&start=30&tbnid=Nr9B7XgB-gX0VM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgulf%2Bmarine%2Blife%26start%3D20%26g bv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)



http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee100/Fish-Bait_bucket/webpic-lemon.jpg

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 11:18 AM
I guess no one is really reading what I have said...are you all that naive to think that it's gonna take 10 years for new oil drilled to reach your gas tank?

I don't have any problem whatsoever with finding new energy and mass producing it. Hell it's happenin' all over the place, but give me some relief now please because my pickup don't run off of banana peels and cornbread. It can't be that hard to understand.

Please tell me why we should NOT drill? what is it gonna hurt? Absolutely nothing, it can only help.

PHDPLEASE
07-03-2008, 11:19 AM
I guess no one is really reading what I have said...are you all that naive to think that it's gonna take 10 years for new oil drilled to reach your gas tank?

I don't have any problem whatsoever with finding new energy and mass producing it. Hell it's happenin' all over the place, but give me some relief now please because my pickup don't run off of banana peels and cornbread. It can't be that hard to understand.

Please tell me why we should NOT drill? what is it gonna hurt? Absolutely nothing, it can only help.


I'm with ya' Fish

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 11:23 AM
I'm with ya' Fish

everyone is sayin' don't do it...cut the bs....stop....I'm sayin' drill it. Work on new resources and quit all the nonsense asshattin' that's raising prices.

Bust the economy off with new jobs, raise the value of the dollar etc....

I mean I had an economics class back in High School...it seems pretty simple to me.:smt102

fuzzis
07-03-2008, 11:25 AM
I guess no one is really reading what I have said...are you all that naive to think that it's gonna take 10 years for new oil drilled to reach your gas tank?

I don't have any problem whatsoever with finding new energy and mass producing it. Hell it's happenin' all over the place, but give me some relief now please because my pickup don't run off of banana peels and cornbread. It can't be that hard to understand.

Please tell me why we should NOT drill? what is it gonna hurt? Absolutely nothing, it can only help.

I've read what you're saying, and just like the last time we discussed it, I'm telling you that this isn't a matter of supply and demand. Prices have shot up due to speculation, increased demand from China and India, and the weakness of the dollar. Drilling in ANWAR won't fix any of that.

It's not going to help because the market has changed, and you're still operating under the assumption that it hasn't.

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 11:26 AM
Please tell me why we should NOT drill? what is it gonna hurt? Absolutely nothing, it can only help.

Like I said in my initial post, I don't think it will HURT anything....but, it is a short term solution to a long term problem......I don't want to continue to appease our greedy f-ing oil companies.....I'd rather pay $5.00 a gallon for a few years while we wait on something new....and it is coming....but I'm tired of f-ing oil companies getting their way everytime they piss and moan in Washington......especially with their ace, numero uno puppet, GWB...yeah, that's right....it's George Bush's fault...

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 11:31 AM
umm let's see.... I've got a bushel of corn. It's the only bushel of corn in the entire state. I want to sell it for 1000 dollars and I almost have a deal when this farmer pulls up with a bushel and a half...........

fuzzis
07-03-2008, 11:37 AM
umm let's see.... I've got a bushel of corn. It's the only bushel of corn in the entire state. I want to sell it for 1000 dollars and I almost have a deal when this farmer pulls up with a bushel and a half...........

That would work if it were about supply and demand. But it's not (if it were, as demand went down domestically as it has the last three months, prices would have gone down. Instead, they've continued to rise).

Sorry. Play again.

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 11:38 AM
You're right, FB.....let's just keep business as usual going......it's worked well for us up to this point.....I'm sorry I argued with you....

TheKing
07-03-2008, 11:44 AM
anwr is the standoff between the groups who dont want to be dependent on FOREIGN oil and the groups who simply dont want to be dependent on OIL

ill say this again for those that it didnt sink in.... we were importing overseas oil because it was CHEAPER to do so... if we start drilling our own oil... the prices are here to stay and go up... simple as that

being self sufficient in the oil world is fine and good... but we will run out... and then what?

ideally we should treat today like we are going to run out and develop those alternative methods that way the things that we cant switch from oil... will have a lot of fuel for a very long time.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 11:44 AM
So nice, he says it thrice!

Fish-Bait
07-03-2008, 11:53 AM
You're right, FB.....let's just keep business as usual going......it's worked well for us up to this point.....I'm sorry I argued with you....

You so off base with this post you're out.:smt102

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 03:31 PM
http://www.rebelaccess.com/gwar_iv.JPG

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 03:33 PM
Kash King is selling gasoline for 3.53 a gallon!!!!

mac
07-03-2008, 10:05 PM
I got the same email today-- just minutes before I read this thread, in fact. This entire discussion assumes it's factual and not just another bullsh*t propaganda email that stupid people click "forward" on without questioning. I'm not going to believe anything from either side without verifying it first, and from what I've seen so far this email forward is the only thing saying that the "left" is indeed lying about how wide an area the drilling would affect or what the effects would be.

ynotme297
07-03-2008, 10:48 PM
If we could have started drilling 15 years ago when we wanted too, maybe we wouldn't be paying $4 plus dollars a gallon now. Just look at what the Alaskan pipeline did for the country at the time. Our own oil and lots of jobs. Course all the jobs didn't last for very long, but it did give us a shot in the arm. Just my opinion.

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:59 PM
ES, is that GWAR???

OFF TOPIC, this about ANWAR!!!!!

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 10:59 PM
Lmao!

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 11:04 PM
I know, but everytime I type "ANWAR", I think about "GWAR".....just had to get it outta my system!

hendrixfreak70
07-03-2008, 11:06 PM
Lol, it didn't don on me til I just looked at this thread again!

Luvia
07-03-2008, 11:34 PM
:kekeke: Lol GWAR!!!!

EricStratton
07-03-2008, 11:39 PM
That would be an AWESOME concert!

"GWAR....Live from ANWAR!!!"

dreamhippy
07-03-2008, 11:49 PM
Lieberman suggests (http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/1950.cfm), “we need fewer restrictions on domestic oil drilling. America remains the only oil-producing nation that has placed a substantial amount of its energy potential off-limits.” The ANWR oil fields in Alaska are estimated to contain oil “equivalent to 15 years of imports from Saudi Arabia.”