censorship..

[amanda]

while i believe the 'conspiracy theory' idea is just an exaggeration of the situation, i also refuse to believe there isn't separate, private communication to mods and other advisory type members.

and i think the 'conspiracy theory' idea is more of the desire for the 'behind the scenes' types to NOT take private shots at individual members... basically a pleading from one 'behind the scenes' type to the rest to change their stance to one individual member.

the reason we KNOW it happens is because it WAS happening when the advisory type was an open membership thing.

remember the 'hey troll this guy out' threads? while i doubt those in particular are happening... there is always an equivalent.

the refusal of ANY of the mods to talk to SoMiss is proof of this... if there wasnt a separate discussion and an urging from one member to the rest to do a particular thing... one or two would at least talk to him.

Of course the moderators talk amongst themselves. But then again, we've been accused on several occasions of taking actions on our without other moderators input. Catch-22, right? I don't have access to what goes on in the AB - not part of it and don't know what they discuss or don't discuss. I do remember a time when you were part of the "let's troll off so-and-so too", now it's a bad thing?

And YOU don't know squat as to whether or not the mods have talked to SoMiss. In FACT I spoke to him last night. Any other unfounded beliefs or allegations you'd like to throw out there? Cause this was crap 2 years ago, it stunk more a year later, and it's not smelling any better today.

[itsmyopinion]

Well - I think we should have restaurant threads and I have never even heard the words "conspiracy theory" on here, have no idea what the "castle" is and don't really care...

[LipsofanAngel]

Actually, if you google "Crosspoint Community Church" you can search through 10 pages and none of them have a link to this forum.

A search of "Crosspoint Community Church, Hattiesburg" gives a link to here on the second page. That thread really didn't have much negative at all. And certainly didn't say Dean was goin to Hell.

But, back on topic... I guess the question is- is this site a place for anyone to come, and for members to share anything? As long as it's within the rules of wiki.... Or is it a site that is to display only the positive aspects of Hattiesburg, and some chit chat here and there? Maybe you need a mission statement :) (maybe there is one?)

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

Aaron, your idea of a poll type thread, moderated (as usual) is a good one and like JoJo said, have a star type system, that a person can rate the establishment by.

Soulfoodz is a member here because someone told him about the site, he liked it, and is now giving members a discount. Do you not think if I posted about a problem at his place, that he wouldn't work to correct that problem?

How about this...have a restaurant review thread or group or whatever for 90 days, and if it's out of hand at the end of that time frame, cut it. It's going to happen one way or another. People are going to come here and post their experiences of different business, on your site. If you are vehemently opposed to it, you're (and the mods) going to be busy deleting post, and/or banning folks.


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[wilebill]

There's no bandwagon to jump on. It's just a fact of life.Dang. I wanted to play the part of Elvis and sing "Jailhouse Rock" while riding along.

[EricStratton]

Aaron, your idea of a poll type thread, moderated (as usual) is a good one and like JoJo said, have a star type system, that a person can rate the establishment by.

Soulfoodz is a member here because someone told him about the site, he liked it, and is now giving members a discount. Do you not think if I posted about a problem at his place, that he wouldn't work to correct that problem?

How about this...have a restaurant review thread or group or whatever for 90 days, and if it's out of hand at the end of that time frame, cut it. It's going to happen one way or another. People are going to come here and post their experiences of different business, on your site. If you are vehemently opposed to it, you're (and the mods) going to be busy deleting post, and/or banning folks.


SUPPORT THE MHLF

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My name is EricStratton, Czar of Restaurant Reviews, and I approve this message...

[TheKing]

I do remember a time when you were part of the "let's troll off so-and-so too", now it's a bad thing?

And YOU don't know squat as to whether or not the mods have talked to SoMiss. In FACT I spoke to him last night. Any other unfounded beliefs or allegations you'd like to throw out there? Cause this was crap 2 years ago, it stunk more a year later, and it's not smelling any better today.

i feel reasonably certain i always rallied against that sort of behavior, if i could pull it all up i would go back and find out to make sure. but it was a long time ago.

and, ill even give the hypothetical of me being the rallymaster. Is it so wrong to change your views to the better after enough time and reflection to find out what the right and wrong thing is?

and the talking with SoMiss thing... thats based on information i had a littel better than a week ago... and given that hes not back AND given that he was told 'hey you are banned, therefore not a member of the community, therefore nobody is gonna talk to you' only led me to believe that NOBODY IS TALKING TO HIM

but... im glad you talked to him...

at any rate, ive even told aaron in the past that i apologized for giving him so much hell and that leading a community is not easy at all. (many of you will notice that i post over here now isntead of admin'ing the 'other' place) specifically i sent him an out of the blue email stating just a thing.

and i dont think im giving anybody hell now... though i do take freedom with my light hearted pot shots because its fun... but ultimately that has more to do with the general discussions at the time than it does me ACTUALLY caring or getting butt-hurt over

[itsmyopinion]

Okay - question...

I'm really not savvy with all of the features of this site, but if worse comes to worse, could we have a group like "after hours" that we can join and it be a "restaurant" group??? That way, it's the same idea of what AH is based on, and you're aware of the "negative" restaurant talk (ooohh no) that you may be entering into before you enter?

[aaron]

Actually, if you google "Crosspoint Community Church" you can search through 10 pages and none of them have a link to this forum.

A search of "Crosspoint Community Church, Hattiesburg" gives a link to here on the second page. That thread really didn't have much negative at all. And certainly didn't say Dean was goin to Hell.

But, back on topic... I guess the question is- is this site a place for anyone to come, and for members to share anything? As long as it's within the rules of wiki.... Or is it a site that is to display only the positive aspects of Hattiesburg, and some chit chat here and there? Maybe you need a mission statement :) (maybe there is one?)

I deleted the thread months ago when we were number 1 for the google search "Crosspoint Community Church". I let the other thread stay because your right, it didn't have anything completely out of the ordinary like that thread had turned into. We have them here from time to time, but most don't turned in in number 1 spots on Google. It was just getting attention that I didn't want.

[LipsofanAngel]

ohh ok.

[Fish-Bait]

Jesus Saves.

[amanda]

i feel reasonably certain i always rallied against that sort of behavior, if i could pull it all up i would go back and find out to make sure. but it was a long time ago.

and, ill even give the hypothetical of me being the rallymaster. Is it so wrong to change your views to the better after enough time and reflection to find out what the right and wrong thing is?

and the talking with SoMiss thing... thats based on information i had a littel better than a week ago... and given that hes not back AND given that he was told 'hey you are banned, therefore not a member of the community, therefore nobody is gonna talk to you' only led me to believe that NOBODY IS TALKING TO HIM

but... im glad you talked to him...

at any rate, ive even told aaron in the past that i apologized for giving him so much hell and that leading a community is not easy at all. (many of you will notice that i post over here now isntead of admin'ing the 'other' place) specifically i sent him an out of the blue email stating just a thing.

and i dont think im giving anybody hell now... though i do take freedom with my light hearted pot shots because its fun... but ultimately that has more to do with the general discussions at the time than it does me ACTUALLY caring or getting butt-hurt over

I sent you a PM on some of these issues, as I'm not going to discuss them publicly. However, I've been very glad to see you posting again. :smt023

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

Jesus Saves.


<img src="http://www.divshare.com/direct/4890814-f2a.jpg" border="0" />

[EricStratton]

http://www.divshare.com/direct/4890814-f2a.jpg

Sheriff?

[Fish-Bait]

Sheriff?

Nope....The High Sheriff wouldn't be that "unkempt".:-D

[mi_nombre_es]

YouTube - We don't need no stinking badges!

[mi_nombre_es]

YouTube - Blazing Saddles Mongo parks in the red zone

[Fish-Bait]

off topic.

[itsmyopinion]

off topic.


Quite!

Don't you know we're already in enough trouble?

[mi_nombre_es]

Quite!

Don't you know we're already in enough trouble?



YouTube - Twisted Sister - We're not gonna take it

[Fish-Bait]

Quite!

Don't you know we're already in enough trouble?

SoMiss television just called and said you 'spelt the word "quiet" wrong.

[wilebill]

I can see aaron's point in this. Trashing an unsuspecting business, especially a small local one, without giving them the opportunity to defend themself is not right. Not every business owner in Hattiesburg is a member here, I don't think. And I've seen how some businesses are unscrupulous enough to get other people to pose as visitors or whatever and mount an attack on someone in the guise of a "review". I've also seen the opposite where a bunch of people give a good rating on a business just to drum up business.

However, I think commenting on restaurant experiences has already been woven into the fabric of the site and it won't be the same without it. Some of the members here have brought up some really good points in that regard.

Maybe we should have a restaurant forum that only regular members can post in (or those with 100 or more posts, whatever they're called). This would prevent new members from joining just to trash a restaurant. Assign a moderator just for that forum. I think there's a way to work this out without a blanket ban on discussing restaurants.

[wilebill]

Also, I know some members have felt that when a business owner gets on here and starts talking up their business, they consider it to be spamming. Let's allow posts like that, but have it put in the classified section so no other member can comment on it which would prevent "plants" from attempting to drive up their credibility.

[Fish-Bait]

I can see aaron's point in this. Trashing an unsuspecting business, especially a small local one, without giving them the opportunity to defend themself is not right. Not every business owner in Hattiesburg is a member here, I don't think. And I've seen how some businesses are unscrupulous enough to get other people to pose as visitors or whatever and mount an attack on someone in the guise of a "review". I've also seen the opposite where a bunch of people give a good rating on a business just to drum up business.

However, I think commenting on restaurant experiences has already been woven into the fabric of the site and it won't be the same without it. Some of the members here have brought up some really good points in that regard.

Maybe we should have a restaurant forum that only regular members can post in (or those with 100 or more posts, whatever they're called). This would prevent new members from joining just to trash a restaurant. Assign a moderator just for that forum. I think there's a way to work this out without a blanket ban on discussing restaurants.

Couldn't you see an Angus Jacks vs. Donanelles on here lol....talk about a smackdown.....ooooh lawd. The ol' injun might just come out of the woodwork on that one.


BTW....I like the 100 post count doo hickey.

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

Also, I know some members have felt that when a business owner gets on here and starts talking up their business, they consider it to be spamming. Let's allow posts like that, but have it put in the classified section so no other member can comment on it which would prevent "plants" from attempting to drive up their credibility.

That's some wise old coyote real talk right there. :smt023

[jojobeans1120]

or a 500 post count even....

[itsmyopinion]

SoMiss television just called and said you 'spelt the word "quiet" wrong.


Well, I really meant quite, as in quite large or "quite - off topic"...

But Quiet would have worked, too...

I do miss SoMissTV..lol :kekeke:

[TheKing]

I can see aaron's point in this. Trashing an unsuspecting business, especially a small local one, without giving them the opportunity to defend themself is not right. Not every business owner in Hattiesburg is a member here, I don't think. And I've seen how some businesses are unscrupulous enough to get other people to pose as visitors or whatever and mount an attack on someone in the guise of a "review". I've also seen the opposite where a bunch of people give a good rating on a business just to drum up business.



your little theory would be spot on if we are all blithering idiots and were incapable of seeing the purpose of a thread.

the fact is we are all a 'community' and take anybody that wants to join. As a part of that community... we all share our experiences with each other, good or bad.

We do the same thing at the house with our RL friends and nobody expects us to not say anything unless a representative from the business in question is there to discuss it with us.

[wilebill]

Thanks, theking, for the condescending attitude toward my posts that I always come to expect from you.

[TheKing]

Thanks, theking, for the condescending attitude toward my posts that I always come to expect from you.

i would take a lot more stock in your complaints of my condescending attitude if you didnt have your own little special blend of condescension yourself.

[Fish-Bait]

i would take a lot more stock in your complaints of my condescending attitude if you didnt have your own little special blend of condescension yourself.


jesus.....you are really tryin' to talk long word stuff and fwy brain cwazy stuff.

[Bluesman]

I'm missing a bottle of Purrell... Has anyone seen it in here?:-D

[OTM]

I'm missing a bottle of Purrell... Has anyone seen it in here?:-DNoway has it and is getting ready.

[TheKing]

I'm missing a bottle of Purrell... Has anyone seen it in here?:-D

i bet its being traded at a school much like cigarettes are traded at prison

[Checkers Boy]

Can someone point me to an instance where a new alias was created for the sole purpose of trashing a new restaurant?

For that matter, can someone show me an instance where a new alias was created to air out something and wasn't promptly dealt with by the moderators?

[Fish-Bait]

Can someone point me to an instance where a new alias was created for the sole purpose of trashing a new restaurant?

For that matter, can someone show me an instance where a new alias was created to air out something and wasn't promptly dealt with by the moderators?

it's really quite simple man.

[Kitty]

I just don't see why this has to be so complicated.

[Checkers Boy]

it's really quite simple man.

I don't get it.

'splain it to me...

[EricStratton]

If S_M_ssT_ were here, he'd probably have a good solution.....him or f_tn_!

[EricStratton]

We need a lawyer on here....anybody know one?

[Checkers Boy]

If S_M_ssT_ were here, he'd probably have a good solution.....him or f_tn_!

SMTV would have a 1,329 page document of rules and fotno'd want to have a Boosterthon.

[Fish-Bait]

I don't get it.

'splain it to me...

I register as "Hardee's Rules!"

Then I make a thread entitled "Mcdonald's Service Sucks"


The body as follows...

I went to McDonalds in Petal on Central avenue this mornin and ordered a Chicken Biscuit. Only to find out that McDonalds Doesn't SERVE CHICKEN BISCUITS!!!! What the hell kind of place doesn't serve CHICKEN BISCUITS???????????

This is the South. McDonalds should serve them. Anyways I finally ordered a couple of breakfast burritos. They forgot to give me the damn salsa the stupid morons...and on top of that the gay guy at the window was an idiot.

I'm doing business with Hardee's from now on. Their food and service is excellent and they serve CHICKEN BISCUITS!:clap:

Hardees Rules!!!!

[EricStratton]

SMTV would have a 1,329 page document of rules and fotno'd want to have a Boosterthon.

You're right....we need zorro back for a problem of this complexity....

[EricStratton]

I register as "Hardee's Rules!"

Then I make a thread entitled "Mcdonald's Service Sucks"


The body as follows...

I went to McDonalds in Petal on Central avenue this mornin and ordered a Chicken Biscuit. Only to find out that McDonalds Doesn't SERVE CHICKEN BISCUITS!!!! What the hell kind of place doesn't serve CHICKEN BISCUITS???????????

This is the South. McDonalds should serve them. Anyways I finally ordered a couple of breakfast burritos. They forgot to give me the damn salsa the stupid morons...and on top of that the gay guy at the window was an idiot.

I'm doing business with Hardee's from now on. Their food and service is excellent and they serve CHICKEN BISCUITS!:clap:

Hardees Rules!!!!

Don't screw with me like that....We ain't got a Hardee's in Hammond.....

[EricStratton]

or a Krystal's

[Checkers Boy]

You're right....we need zorro back for a problem of this complexity....

He's got 832 chess games going on by postcard.

(I swear, that was one of the saddest things I've ever read about in life)

[EricStratton]

Is this new rule retroactive? If so, I think wilebill should be banned for his open and thorough condemnation of Krystal's.....

[TheKing]

Don't screw with me like that....We ain't got a Hardee's in Hammond.....


get me a job in hammond... its like the only louisiana town i like

and i barely like it

[itsmyopinion]

Well go to McDonald's - they have chicken biscuts now - :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Maybe they read one of "Hardee's Rules" posts... :smt023

[Checkers Boy]

I register as "Hardee's Rules!"

Then I make a thread entitled "Mcdonald's Service Sucks"


The body as follows...

I went to McDonalds in Petal on Central avenue this mornin and ordered a Chicken Biscuit. Only to find out that McDonalds Doesn't SERVE CHICKEN BISCUITS!!!! What the hell kind of place doesn't serve CHICKEN BISCUITS???????????

This is the South. McDonalds should serve them. Anyways I finally ordered a couple of breakfast burritos. They forgot to give me the damn salsa the stupid morons...and on top of that the gay guy at the window was an idiot.

I'm doing business with Hardee's from now on. Their food and service is excellent and they serve CHICKEN BISCUITS!:clap:

Hardees Rules!!!!

When has this happened?

If it did, it's not a 'stain' on the community or the board, b/c it didn't last long if it did.

[EricStratton]

He's got 832 chess games going on by postcard.

(I swear, that was one of the saddest things I've ever read about in life)


LMAO!!! :laugh::laugh:

I'm still trying to get through some of his evolution posts....I'm on page 829....only 600 more pages to go.....I should finish by Christmas...we've got some long road trips this year...

[Checkers Boy]

Is this new rule retroactive? If so, I think wilebill should be banned for his open and thorough condemnation of Krystal's.....

Bill's just out of the loop. Everyone know's that Krystal takes 40 minutes to go through and the employees are just this side of prison.

[EricStratton]

get me a job in hammond... its like the only louisiana town i like

and i barely like it

Give me till December....by then I'll know how many games we've won, and I'll know if anybody likes me enough to listen to a recommendation....

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

You're right....we need zorro back for a problem of this complexity....

If only Conveyor Belt were still around...He'd know exactly how to make this thread work.

[TheKing]

wait what? you can have post card chess games?!

[Checkers Boy]

If only Conveyor Belt were still around...He'd know exactly how to make this thread work.

Yeah, he's still got a few big projects to finish out, but has about 75% of them done.

Those prison college classes really make you buckle down!

[Fish-Bait]

When has this happened?

If it did, it's not a 'stain' on the community or the board, b/c it didn't last long if it did.


O.k. wait a minute then.....

[itsmyopinion]

Okay, wait - this whole thread is about breaking one rule, and now we couldn't be more OFF TOPIC! Chess, checkers, post cards... :smt009

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Kitty]

A restaurant on 98 is no more.

In its place is a different one...this afternoon they were putting up the sign with the name of the new restaurant.

Pretty generic information. ;)

[TheKing]

Give me till December....by then I'll know how many games we've won, and I'll know if anybody likes me enough to listen to a recommendation....

hahaa... awesome

but then again... i just remembered why i stopped going to hammond...

i used to see an ole girl in Amite...

amite and hammond isnt all that big a place....

im a married man now

[wilebill]

i would take a lot more stock in your complaints of my condescending attitude if you didnt have your own little special blend of condescension yourself.
Ah yes, the argument one resorts to when they don't have any facts to back them up with.

[itsmyopinion]

Above my head! :)

[Checkers Boy]

Ah yes, the argument one resorts to when they don't have any facts to back them up with.

Ohhhh... you ended your sentence with one of them improper thingys.

[EricStratton]

Ohhhh... you ended your sentence with one of them improper thingys.

preposition....

[Bluesman]

I found my purrell... It was hidden behind a package of bagels over next to the atari console.:smt023

[EricStratton]

somehow this is all tied into the incorporation of Oak Grove.....or the school bond issue.....

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

A restaurant on 98 is no more.

In its place is a different one...this afternoon they were putting up the sign with the name of the new restaurant.

Pretty generic information. ;)

Thanks Kitty, I may or may not check it out. If I do, I'll be sure to leave mostly negative comments on the Yahoo! local page, if by some remote chance I have a enjoyable meal and/or service and/or decor, I'll be sure to come here and not tell anyone about it.

Yeah, it's all getting clear now. :smt023

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

somehow this is all tied into the incorporation of Oak Grove.....or the school bond issue.....

I think we should have a Boosterthon.




*oh Fotno_, we hardly knew ye.*

[itsmyopinion]

I heard that some new place is the opposite of inexpensive - but that the food is the opposite of disgusting. Think it's the same one you're talking vaguely about.

[Checkers Boy]

If I knew WTF you guys were talking about, it'd be funny...

[EricStratton]

I wonder how the food at Shennanigan's taste?

[itsmyopinion]

I think it's a restaurant that is in the same vicinity of Olive Garden and Longhorn. But it's not them...

[Bluesman]

somehow this is all tied into the incorporation of Oak Grove.....or the school bond issue.....
and the school supplies issue surrounding copious amounts of hand sanitizer.:smt118

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

I think it's a restaurant that is in the same vicinity of Olive Garden and Longhorn. But it's not them...

Is it Copeland's?

[Checkers Boy]

I think it's a restaurant that is in the same vicinity of Olive Garden and Longhorn. But it's not them...

REALLY???

'Bout damned time. That place sucked.

[itsmyopinion]

Someone on here may have guessed it...

Hey, it may be nice if someone thought of a fondue restaurant to go in Hattiesburg.

Maybe someone has...

Maybe it's in the vicinity of Longhorn and Olive Garden.

[Checkers Boy]

Someone on here may have guessed it...

Hey, it may be nice if someone thought of a fondue restaurant to go in Hattiesburg.

Maybe someone has...

Maybe it's in the vicinity of Longhorn and Olive Garden.

Fondue? Oh, that'll never work.

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

Someone on here may have guessed it...

Hey, it may be nice if someone thought of a fondue restaurant to go in Hattiesburg.

Maybe someone has...

Maybe it's in the vicinity of Longhorn and Olive Garden.

OHHH FONDUE....

That's Swiss and I bet it's good for the heart.


Wonder where something like this could go? Thinking thinking thinking.

[itsmyopinion]

It might be more upscale-ish. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

With cooking tables at the tables... :smt118 :smt118

or maybe not... :confused: :confused:

[EricStratton]

There used to be a fondue restaurant in H'burg.....it didn't last....

[Kitty]

Is it Copeland's?

:smt023

[Bluesman]

There used to be a fondue restaurant in H'burg.....it didn't last....
You talkin about that one inside the massage parlor???:smt118 I think maybe it was the kind of fondue that was being served if'n you catch'n my drift.:evil:

[itsmyopinion]

You talkin about that one inside the massage parlor???:smt118 I think maybe it was the kind of fondue that was being served if'n you catch'n my drift.:evil:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Kitty]

You talkin about that one inside the massage parlor???:smt118 I think maybe it was the kind of fondue that was being served if'n you catch'n my drift.:evil:

Careful.

That comment might be misconstrued as a negative.

But then again to some it might be a positive.

[EricStratton]

You talkin about that one inside the massage parlor???:smt118 I think maybe it was the kind of fondue that was being served if'n you catch'n my drift.:evil:

it was there off of 49 across from USM.....

[itsmyopinion]

If you have to follow it with :evil:, then it's probably better left unsaid! :clap: :kekeke:

[Bluesman]

Careful.

That comment might be misconstrued as a negative.

But then again to some it might be a positive.
Oh... I was vague.....:evil: Very vague... lettin em use their maginations....:smt118

[itsmyopinion]

Oh... I was vague.....:evil: Very vague... lettin em use their maginations....:smt118


What'd I say??? :evil: :evil: :evil: :kekeke:

[TheKing]

Oh... I was vague.....:evil: Very vague... lettin em use their maginations....:smt118

if its a negative imagination, it belongs somewhere else... as long as its positive it can stay here

[Bluesman]

if its a negative imagination, it belongs somewhere else... as long as its positive it can stay here
Oh, I'm thinking it would be positive in some minds.....

[Bluesman]

I'll go post it on Yahoo local... Reckon what section it should be posted under???:confused:

[Checkers Boy]

I'll go post it on Yahoo local... Reckon what section it should be posted under???:confused:

http://local.yahoo.com/info-15183251-copeland-s-of-new-orleans-hattiesburg

[Bluesman]

http://local.yahoo.com/info-15183251-copeland-s-of-new-orleans-hattiesburg
That goes to the negative reviews for Copelands... Hmm.... was that intentional??? I hope it was done in jest positively so you won't receive an infarction:laugh:

[Checkers Boy]

That goes to the negative reviews for Copelands... Hmm.... was that intentional??? I hope it was done in jest positively so you won't receive an infarction:laugh:

They're all either the worst visit ever or a fanboy post.

[Engelbert Humperdinck]

This is a great review of a local business, that I can't mention here, but go to Yahoo and see for yourself. (http://local.yahoo.com/info-15207099-king-spa-hattiesburg)

[EricStratton]

This is a great review of a local business, that I can't mention here, but go to Yahoo and see for yourself. (http://local.yahoo.com/info-15207099-king-spa-hattiesburg)


LOL! "Like bringing sand to the beach".....LMAO!

[Prissy39110]

it was there off of 49 across from USM.....


still open? :laugh:

[EricStratton]

Let's get back on-topic and talk about the real issue here: The lingering, back room conspiracies of the MH elite.....

I'm tired of this crap.....