HEAT INDEX 102-no A/C

[2002usmgrad]

wow, that would stink, the heat I could handle, but my work would be so turned around, there are ways to do it, just would take a whole lot longer using methods that have not been used for a long time. Would definately put shades on all my windows and double insulate my house. Then I would set up a fan that was hooked to like a treadmill and let me 3 year old run as fast and as long as he could, heck, that maybe enough to power up the old computer, haha.

[King Kong]

Maybe you should submit that thought to that show on FX called Thirthy Days.

[wilebill]

Maybe you should submit that thought to that show on FX called Thirthy Days.

So there's a reality show about people with a lisp and nothing to drink? :-D

[jmb]

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USNationalStd.asp?loc=usa&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=Forecasts&product=TEMPcast&pid=none&prodnav=d1_18

Look who's going to fry tomorrow. :smt104

[IGID]

Is it possible to live in Crown Vic for 2 months? I'd find out.....

[Southern_Belle]

i think i would die. that's all there is to it...

[reality]

I agree Queen Mother. I am so spoiled by the a/c, and I wish I wasn't... I can remember growing up and how I would play in the heat all day and never thought a thing about it. Now, when I walk outside for only a few minutes, I start to sweat. :smt118 For some reason, it seems a lot hotter now than when I was young.

I heard about several people dieing in Phoenix from the heat, mostly homeless people. Their heat index has been getting up to 115+, and I hear ours has been around 107, 108 lately. :smt119

I have to agree with Igid... I would be living out of my car for a while. Or else, investing in a good generator wouldn't be a bad idea. :smt102

[XC9]

Hawkeye this is a scary thought but a great possibility considering the entire country is having heat like they normally don't have. Every year it is getting worse. The power companys are already having problems supplying enough electric. We are all very spoiled with modern conveniences. How many of us could make it if the electric was shut down? I don't even want to try!

[nonnegotiable]

I would find a nearby creek to lay in!

[Tully Mars]

Hawkeye this is a scary thought but a great possibility considering the entire country is having heat like they normally don't have. Every year it is getting worse. The power companys are already having problems supplying enough electric. We are all very spoiled with modern conveniences. How many of us could make it if the electric was shut down? I don't even want to try!

I am not too sure that it is necessarily getting worse. I have lived in south MS since I was 4 and can remember a lot of July and August dog days. I think the increased demand on the power companies is not so much the increased heat but rather the increased population, increased use of AC and the fact that we tend to have so many more dang gadgets that plug into a wall...computers, fax machines, copiers, scanners, etc.

[wilebill]

Now, when I walk outside for only a few minutes, I start to sweat. :smt118

Ewww! Nothing worse than a sweaty Tweety Bird! :)

[reality]

LOL! Have to find a bird bath, won't I? :-D

[reality]

I am not too sure that it is necessarily getting worse. I have lived in south MS since I was 4 and can remember a lot of July and August dog days. I think the increased demand on the power companies is not so much the increased heat but rather the increased population, increased use of AC and the fact that we tend to have so many more dang gadgets that plug into a wall...computers, fax machines, copiers, scanners, etc.

I'm glad to see this posting Tully. Thanks! All of the other talk about the loss of electricity only creates worry/fear for everyone. Thanks for giving us a better perspective. :smt038

[King Kong]

Now it’s time for Kong’s two cents! I am not the smartest beast in the jungle but I am smart enough to know that if something did happen and we lost electricity the first thing I would do is drink all of my beer before it got to hot. Now that I have consumed a lot of beer and have gotten rather drunk I would lay on my coach and watch TV. After the room stopped spinning I would probably get on my computer and read what was new on MyHattiesburg.com and make a few post in word assoc. and 3 word story. Then I would turn my A/C on full blast and vacuum my house. After that I would probably check back on MyHattiesburg.com and see if anyone else posted under word assoc. or 3 word story. Then I would go to YnotMe’s house and eat all of his food and watch his big screen HDTV that he has and take a nap in his recliner. When I woke up I would get a shower and use up all of YnotMe’s hot water and then I would Check in on the MyHattiesburg.com site again and double post under word assoc. and 3 word story. Then I would send some PM’s out to people I haven’t talked to in a few days and place some crank calls to noway while he is at work. After assuring the police that there is nothing wrong, for they have responded to YnotMe’s house on a 911 hang up call, I would probably just go back to my house and go to bed.

So I guess you can say it would be just an ordinary Saturday in Kong’s World!:p

[Sgw]

First, if our heat went out and i didnt have a generator or something and couldnt move to the north where it is much cooler than I would. I probally start swimming alot more. :P

But seriously i would probally spend alot of time in my car, cool air, and i have a plug in for lap top, and i can connect to the internet via satellite (sp) and i have a dvd player in my car so i could still watch movies so i dont think it will be to bad but my gasoline bill well get rather high.....

Also i would get wing, to make a solar electricty connection to my ac and tv in my apartment so that i could have those on and watch tv. I am sure solar pannels would start selling rather quickly.

As for food and water, i have a lake, i could use for water and food my grandfather has really big garden that our family could live off and i dont like meat so i would be find with just veggies and fruit :D

Question: Is the power out in just mississippi or south or all over the world.

S

[jmb]

It's already 90° with a heat index of 103° here in Yankee-land. Calling for a high of 100° with who knows what for the heat index. Thank goodness for AC.

[Tully Mars]

Bullcrap Reality - You shouldn't call what you don't want to hear, alarmism!
It is a call to action for the wise. Don't be caught in a foot-race with your britches down around your ankles. Its not that difficult to prepare for and it's easy to conserve by altering/changing some habits. What goes around, comes around.

Just 43 Years before I was born (1905)(just 10 decades ago):

The life expectancy was 47
Only 14% of US homes had bathtub
Only 8% had phone
3 min. call from Denver to NY was $11
only 8000 cars, 144 miles of paved road in US
Max speed limit was 10
Miss. was more populated than California
Avg us wage was 22 cents p/hr
Avg US worker made $200-400 per year
dentist, veterinarians, accountants, Mech. Eng's made $2000 to $5000
95% of all births took place at home
90% of US Physicians had no college education
Instead many attended medical schools condemned by the press and government
sugar was 4 cents p/lb
eggs were 14 cent p/doz
coffee was 15 cents p'lb
most women washed their hair only once a monthe with borax and egg yokes.
Canada passed a law prohibiting poor US Citizens from entering their country for any reason
the five leading causes of death were 1.) flu 2.) TB 3.) diarrhea 4.) Heart disease 5.) Stroke
45 stars on the American flag
population of las Vagas was 30
2 out of 10 could not read or write
only 6% graduated high school
Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the corner drugstore.
230 murders reported in the entire US
Yes, QM, I remember the swimming holes, watermelons and HM ice creme, well, made or real crem from the family cow. I remember churning,,making butter and cheese, fishing with wasp larva, hunting with a slingshot, picking peas, corn, okra, tomatoes, digging taters, cutting fence post, and stove wood, plowing behind a mule with gas(phew); Remember my grandparents old house with the really high ceilings. Remember granddaddy plowing from dawn until lunch, then taking a 2 hour siasta, and back to the fields until dark. Remember Grandma working from daylight to dark also. I remember large close-knot families full of love.

It the exponential factor that is scary as hell and tells me its time to plan for harder times ahead, for my babies sake.

Hawk,

Don't misread what I was trying to say that Reality was agreeing with. Yea, it's hot right now and yes, our grid has more pressure on it than probably ever before. But that pressure on the grid is not completely tied to hot temperatures. Much of the increased demand for electricity is due to the increased amount of technological devices that we all use on a daily basis that even 10 or 20 years ago didn't exist.

I don't necessarily buy into the whole 'global warming' idea, especially the arguement that says that the human race is completely to blame for the phenomenon. I am sure that you could create a similar statistical arguement that says that global warming is caused primarily by the methane gas expelled by cattle. Statistics rarely lie but people sure do lie with statistics.

If our planet is indeed becoming warmer it caused as much by natural factors as manmade ones.

[noway]

Well I got my power bill I was shocked 94.00 pretty good.. My air never cuts off during the day. Im ready for winter to arrive.. so we can visit the beer garden at donanelle's?

[King Kong]

My power bill was $161.00. :smt119

[noway]

http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/home/local/39402?par=OAP&site=HOMEH&code=null

95 degrees feels like 107 dang dang dang water water water

[jmb]

at 3:40, it's up to 98° air temp with 113° heat index

:smt024

[King Kong]

http://voanews.com/english/2005-07-05-voa24.cfm

Adbu DoDo knew you had the plutonium 39

[Sgw]

Well I got my power bill I was shocked 94.00 pretty good.. My air never cuts off during the day. Im ready for winter to arrive.. so we can visit the beer garden at donanelle's?


Mine was 123.00 ....... ill trade ya.

[King Kong]

Your good Hawkeye!

[Tully Mars]

I am going to post the text rather than a link for the purposes of inserting emphasis:


FROM URBAN SPRAWL TO SUSTAINABLE HUMAN COMMUNITIES
William E. Rees and Mark Roseland

Developing sustainable human communities will require an unprecedented emphasis on reducing urban sprawl and its unsustainable consequences. Such an effort must simultaneously create more efficient use of urban space, reduced consumption of material and energy resources, improved community livability, and improved administrative and planning processes capable of dealing effectively, sensitively, and comprehensively with the social and environmental complexity of urban settlements.

Most North American cities were built using technologies that assumed an inexhaustible abundance of cheap energy and land. These communities grew inefficiently, becoming increasingly dependent on lengthy distribution systems. Cheap energy fostered an addiction to the automobile, and increased the separation of workplaces from homes.

Urban sprawl is the legacy of abundant fossil fuel and a perceived right to unrestricted use of the private car, whatever the social costs and externalities. Per capita gasoline consumption in many cities in the United States and Canada is now more than four times that of European cities. It is over 10 times greater than in high density cities like Hong Kong and Tokyo. These differences in consumption are not due to large car sizes and low gasoline prices, so much as differences in the efficiency and compactness of land-use patterns. Sprawling suburbs are arguably the most economically, environmentally, and socially costly pattern of residential development humans have ever devised.

The negative local and regional level consequences of sprawl - such as congestion, urban air pollution, and commuting distances between home and work - are now widely recognised. Less widely acknowledged are the global ramifications of North American land-use patterns. Largely because of low-density sprawl, the residents of Canadian cities produce about twice as much carbon dioxide per capita as do Amsterdam residents.

A San Jose, California study compared the environmental demands of 13,000 new residential units contained within an urban "greenbelt" with the same number if they were built in the usual exurban pattern. The exurban homes would require 200,000 more miles of auto commuting and three million more gallons of water per day. The exurban units would also require 40 percent more energy for heating and cooling than would their urban counterparts.

Cities with low "automobile dependence" are more centralised; use land more intensively; place more restraints on high-speed traffic; and offer better public transit, walking, and cycling facilities. This points to the considerable need for a new approach to urban transportation planning and traffic management. In the past several decades transportation planning has consisted largely of reacting to increasing highway congestion, which often is a direct result of the low-density outward expansion of the city, by building more highways. This pattern is painfully evident in many of the rapidly growing cities of the South, such as Manila, Jakarta, Bangkok. If sustainability is to be taken seriously, transportation planning must become a tool for inducing changes in the physical layout of cities.

Similar reforms are needed in urban land-use planning and controls. Metropolitan planning must shift away from the prevailing assumption that the primary urban access will be by automobile or even mass transit. Planning for sustainable urban centres must be based on the contrary assumption that people will be concentrated in the urban centre and that access will be determined primarily by the proximity of residences to work, recreation, shopping, and services.

Urban sprawl can be contained by setting limits on physical expansion and favouring alternatives to the automobile. Appropriate measures include limiting automobile access to inner cities, levying regional carbon dioxide taxes, restricting parking availability, and using traffic-calming street designs.

Governments, investors, and banks should all be required to analyse alternative long-term least-cost strategies for transportation and land-use investments. This would tend to give pedestrians, cyclists, and public transit riders priority over the automobile. It would favour building surface light rail and bikeway systems connecting higher density pedestrian-friendly city and suburban centres. It would favour building bicycle parking garages and policies that slow down car traffic to improve conditions for pedestrians and cyclists.

The models and strategies for limiting urban sprawl through innovative and provincial state planning, local government initiatives, and public-community partnerships are available. Promoting their more extensive use is an area that merits major attention from nonprofit organisations.

William E. Rees is a Professor in the School of Community and Regional Planning, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada. Mark Roseland teaches in the Resource Management Programme at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver.

Source: PCDForum, based on their article "Sustainable Communities: Planning for the 21st Century".

[Tully Mars]

Here are a few more:


http://sustainable.state.fl.us/fdi/fscc/news/state/0004/eco-brack.htm

http://www.cielap.org/infocent/research/human2.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/8-18-98.html

[reality]

Bullcrap Reality - You shouldn't call what you don't want to hear, alarmism! It is a call to action for the wise. Don't be caught in a foot-race with your britches down around your ankles. Its not that difficult to prepare for and it's easy to conserve by altering/changing some habits. What goes around, comes around.

Hawkeye takin dis stuff seriously. Hawk, I agree, it's always wise to be prepared. I have always held the thought in the back of my mind that I would like to build one of those underground places, maybe like on the movie "Blast from the Past" where they built the fallout shelter...maybe not THAT elaborate, but you know, stocked with plenty of food & supplies, etc.. So I have thought about it. Just praying the Lord comes back before that time. :p

[Tully Mars]

I do know a couple of folks around the county that are either almost or are completely off the grid. In fact, one couple I know of does organic gardening, only use a vehicle to go to town for 'necessities', ride their bikes around their place and are completely solar.

[reality]

Guess it would be a good time to be Amish.

[Kimberly]

Amish? lol

[reality]

Except they wear those long sleeved dresses with high necks and caps on their heads! OMG - that makes me hot!!!! The horse & buggy would have to go pretty fast to get a breeze to cool you off!:smt118

Yeah Queen, that would be the tough part. But I guess if you've never lived with a/c, you wouldn't know any different. They are accustomed to the heat. Somehow I think I'd be making lots of home made ice cream. :-D

[jmb]

Looks like another day like yesterday; the heat index was up to 113. It's 91 now, not bad, but with the humidity, it feels like 102, and it's supposed to get close to 100 again. so who knows what our heat index will get up to.

We took a tour at a plantation in Folsom, Louisiana in June, and the tour guides were dressed in period clothing...all cotton, long sleeves, hats, etc. I was so hot in one of the cabins I had sweat dripping down my legs, I hadn't eaten yet that day, and thought I was going to pass out from the heat. One of the tour guides was my sister's neighbor. I asked her how she could stand it in that clothing. She said it wasn't too bad since they were all cotton. That's probably why the Amish can stand it since the cotton breathes better than the synthetic fabrics. And the fact that they're used to it doesn't hurt either.