Before George W

[HillaryC]

Before George W, we had a good economy and gas prices were under
$1.50 a gallon, and now he can't get our troops home, I sure miss Tip O'neil!
I would be interested to here any opinions out there!

[aaron]

Fed to raise US rates again as economy shows vigour (http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=98638)

[lamarrebel]

Before George W.. we had a country that was teetering into a recession, which 9/11 pushed her over into.

Geoge W inherited a country which was doing little to prevent terrorist attacks and secure our borders.

Before George W. America had a President who was the second President in American history to be impeached, whose acts were of perjury in a deposition were so odious that Gene Taylor even agreed and who would later agree to be suspended for five years from the practice of law.

Before George W., America had a philandering womanizer in the White House who set a terrible moral example for our children, little more than a modern day King Ahab. Sure, the ancient of children of Israel didn't have MTV, pornography, or other bad modern day influences, but having a President who believes that it is ok to lie, commit adultery, and other such acts does have a negative impact on the moral compass of our children. George W. Bush has never lowered himself into behavior that disgraces the office in which he serves, through these acts or by pardoning international fugitives like Mark Richt on the day of leaving office.

George W. now is president over a healthily growing economy with an unemployment rate of 5.0 percent, which according to most economists, is considered full emplyment. He presides over a country that has remained free from terrorist attack for almost four years since the 9/11 attack and has removed the Taliban from Afghanistan and Saddam Hussein from Iraq. Both countries are steadily making progress towards democratically elected governments. His predecessor also clammored for regime change and believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but jumped on the peanut gallery when the going got tough.

[reality]

Great post Hubb!! God Bless the USA & George W! :smt038 :smt038

[HillaryC]

Gas prices $2.17 a gallon, 34 troops lost last week, while W drives around his Crawford
Ranch in his pick-up truck.

[rebelrouser05]

Can't we vote Hillary off the island?

[R1ZOOM]

Gas prices $2.17 a gallon, 34 troops lost last week, while W drives around his Crawford
Ranch in his pick-up truck.

a Ford F-250 pickup BTW, American made :smt038

what do you drive, Hillary?

[lamarrebel]

As I recall, gas was around $1.50 in Tupelo in late 2000, and other than the oil glut of 1986 and for a couple of years thereafter (under Reagan) gas prices has been consistently over $1.00 for over twenty years. Given the natural rate of inflation, gas prices really aren't that high when compared to increases in other consumer goods. In any event, gas prices soared from $0.88 cents a gallon in June of 1999 to $1.50 in less than one year, under Bill Clinton's watch.

Another reason gas prices are so high, is because environmental liberal whackos like Ms. Clinton have voted against allowing development in the Alaska Wildlife reserve and elsewhere, allowing us to be further hostage to OPEC and its mostly hostile countries therein. If we can increase our own production, perhaps we can increase stability in the market.

[THERebelRouser05]

a Ford F-250 pickup BTW, American made :smt038

what do you drive, Hillary?

Ask Noway.

[noway]

Ask Noway.
I dont know what hillary drives!!! she is trashy tho

[reverand]

Gas prices $2.17 a gallon, 34 troops lost last week, while W drives around his Crawford
Ranch in his pick-up truck.

Now the Reverand has some issues with the President, I must confess
But now is no time to point our fingers if we want our troops to have success.

The price of gas is getting expensive, but George W is not to blame
Your husband was no better, because behind his zipper he kept his brain.

What is wrong with driving a pickup, the Reverand did not realize that was a crime
Would you rather he be like your husband, having sex with other women was his pastime.






Glory Glory

[rapperman]

U da man, Rev!

[Tully Mars]

Gas prices $2.17 a gallon, 34 troops lost last week, while W drives around his Crawford
Ranch in his pick-up truck.

The reality of the situation is that war equates death. In comparison, we have lost relatively few lives in the current Iraq war compared to other wars and 'conflicts' in our nation's history. The main difference in my opinion is that we didn't have CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, and others providing 24 hour ad nauseum coverage with a significantly liberal bias.

I would much prefer my president driving around his ranch in an American made pickup than playing hide the cigar in the Oval Office.

[R1ZOOM]

GLORY GLORY, REV:smt038 :smt038

quite the poet you are, I'd love to hear one of your sermons in its entirety

[HillaryC]

Tully, Obviously you are living in some fantasy world, what kind of goofy avatar is that
anyway, Bill Clinton's approval rating always hovered around 60%, at least Clinton was in the oval office, not off milking cows.

[HillaryC]

and Reverand, how dissappointing, after all Bill did for you and your Rainbow Coalition.

[Tully Mars]

Tully, Obviously you are living in some fantasy world, what kind of goofy avatar is that
anyway, Bill Clinton's approval rating always hovered around 60%, at least Clinton was in the oval office, not off milking cows.

"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left."

[lamarrebel]

Clinton also never got 50 percent of the vote either. Many Americans unfortunately judge a President by conditions over which he has little or limited control. The economy was strong under Clinton, but it was in spite of him ('93 tax increase), and more because of the steady leadership of Alan Greenspan at the Federal reserve (Reagan appointee) and because the Republican Congress which took over after the 1994 elections, began to return our nation to fiscal sanity. President Clinton didn't pass the balanced budgets at the end of 1990s, the Republican Congress did. Had the 9/11 attacks not occurred, I suspect we'd still be in surpluses today. Now with our economy turning around the budget deficits are rapidly decreasing and hopefully we will be back in annual surplus soon.

[R1ZOOM]

Tully, Obviously you are living in some fantasy world, what kind of goofy avatar is that
anyway, Bill Clinton's approval rating always hovered around 60%, at least Clinton was in the oval office, not off milking cows.



I don't know about cows, but something was being "milked" in the oval office, and Monica spilled some apparently :grin: :smt102

:smt075 I shouldn't have, hehe

[Tully Mars]

Tully, Obviously you are living in some fantasy world, what kind of goofy avatar is that

Its called ART, perhaps you should acquire some culture and partake at some point.

Question...what part of what I said above do you consider to be a 'fantasy world', the part about liberal bias in the media or Clinton's cigar escapades?

Can you prove either to be 'fantasy'?

[HillaryC]

Tully, please! Looks like Robert Conrad in that stupid mini-series back in the 70's
- Centennial - I think? But, I am sure you don't remember that.

[Tully Mars]

Tully, please! Looks like Robert Conrad in that stupid mini-series back in the 70's
- Centennial - I think? But, I am sure you don't remember that.

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.

But then again I repeat myself...

[IGID]

Great post hubbarrister. HillaryC should be hanging her head in shame to still be married to slick willy and her best complaint about W is the price of gas? Get a life woman. I'm sure there's some more trees that need hug'n.

[HillaryC]

Clinton 60% approval rating, Bush approval rating falling like a stone, Its more that just
gas, he lied to us just to attack Iraq, and hubby the 93' tax increase was to recover from 4 years of Pappa Bush and Quail, my advice to hubby & tully(i wish i was daniel Boone)Mars is to stay out of the Bush's

[HillaryC]

Great post hubbarrister. HillaryC should be hanging her head in shame to still be married to slick willy and her best complaint about W is the price of gas? Get a life woman. I'm sure there's some more trees that need hug'n.
pathetic

[lamarrebel]

Oh yes, the perfect remedy for a recession, raise taxes and give businesses and individuals less money to spend. Only from a liberal such as you could come such brilliance:smt118

[IGID]

HillaryC, I'd bet if your family was of Kurd desent or you had female friends in Iraq, you'd be the first person in D.C. to say lets bomb the crap out of them. But since you don't, it was ok for Saddam to gas women and children and rape any woman they wanted. My GOD, I wish we could send you over there.

[R1ZOOM]

I still want to know what Hillary drives...

[HillaryC]

Under President Clinton's leadership, almost 6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration -- an average of 250,000 new jobs every month.

In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers.

President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction. The deficit is going down for 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman was president.

Fighting Crime and Restoring Our Communities
The President signed into law the Brady Bill, which imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases so that background checks can be done to help keep handguns away from criminals.

The President's Crime Bill will put 100,000 new police officers on the street. More than 1,200 communities have already received grants to hire 27,000 additional officers.

The Crime Bill also punishes criminals by expanding the number of offenses eligible for the death penalty and implementing the "three-strikes-and-you're-out" provision.

And, the Bill banned the manufacture of 19 specific types of deadly assault weapons, while simultaneously protecting hunters' rights by exempting over 650 hunting rifles.

Strengthening Our Families: Security and Opportunity
President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act. The law, which covers over 42 million Americans, offers workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-guaranteed leave for child birth, adoption, or personal or family illness.

Tully your man has:
1. Increased the deficit
2. Skyrocketing energy cost
3. Spinning his wheels in Iraq
4. Lost Oshama (except for the tapes he makes)

[Tully Mars]

Okay, let's talk about the rest of the Clinton Legacy:


The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

He also did a marvelous job for the Democratic Party:
- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3


Shall I continue?

[CrackHead]

Tully I think Hillary is to busy gagging on her cigar to respond.

[ynotme297]

damn guys, what a show. i can`t belive i`ve missed all this today. i`m having a blast reading this. hilliary, if you are gonna match wits with the boys, don`t come half prepaired. god i love AMERICA:smt038:-D:):smt054

[bartspoon]

amazing both tully and hillery speak the truth. But with all the accomplishment and downfalls of both bush and clinton, our middle class is still suffering and on the edge of extinction. Even though im conservative in my thinkin, i believe my wise ole uncle Fred was right when he said, Republicans and Democrates are horns on the same billy goat. They both engage in this shell game where they argue over silly stuff while the real issues get pushed to the rear. They keep us busy thinking about meaningless things while the country continues to suffer. They are politicians and there business is re-election. They want your vote and then they want you to sit down and shut up. I, like the republicans, want smaller not bigger govenment. But under bush we have the biggest govenment of all times. And i believe what john kennedy said about helping people that "a rising tide lifts all boats". But our rising tide seems to help just a few. Neither clinton or bush did anything to make the median household income go up or the number of people living in poverty go down. I think one of the biggest problems we face is the shrinking middle class. They are your worker bees who make the wheel turn. They are your small business owners, your blue and white collar workers and what every person on the lower income level whats to be. The middle class is the american dream. I would like to see some of the stats on who is helping them. I couldnt care less how much vacation the president takes or what he does in the oval office on his on time. I would just like to see one of our many problems solved every now and then. Clinton inherited the tech bubble and Bush inherited the tech bubble bust. Neither or responcible for either. Clinton knew more about welfare reform then anyone on earth, i believe it helped him get elected, but his reform did little or nothing to stop the fraud that goes on. Bush whom i think is a great guy just signed an energy bill that has not one word about alternative energy to relieve our dependance on foriegn oil. It has lots of consessions for oil companies though. It seems the oil companies write are energy bills, and the credit card people write our bankruptcy laws. And what do we do, we argue over who is worse, which is exactly what they want us to do. The problems we have in this country is not the president's fault its our faults because we dont demand a change.

[Tully Mars]

Under President Clinton's leadership, almost 6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration -- an average of 250,000 new jobs every month.

In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers.

President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction. The deficit is going down for 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman was president.

Fighting Crime and Restoring Our Communities
The President signed into law the Brady Bill, which imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases so that background checks can be done to help keep handguns away from criminals.

The President's Crime Bill will put 100,000 new police officers on the street. More than 1,200 communities have already received grants to hire 27,000 additional officers.

The Crime Bill also punishes criminals by expanding the number of offenses eligible for the death penalty and implementing the "three-strikes-and-you're-out" provision.

And, the Bill banned the manufacture of 19 specific types of deadly assault weapons, while simultaneously protecting hunters' rights by exempting over 650 hunting rifles.

Strengthening Our Families: Security and Opportunity
President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act. The law, which covers over 42 million Americans, offers workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-guaranteed leave for child birth, adoption, or personal or family illness.

Tully your man has:
1. Increased the deficit
2. Skyrocketing energy cost
3. Spinning his wheels in Iraq
4. Lost Oshama (except for the tapes he makes)

Come on Hubbarrister, I can't believe that you aren't going to chime in on this one.:smt102

[HillaryC]

At least Bartspoon doesn’t have his head buried in the sand.

Tully you don’t realize it, but by blindly following Bush and the Republicans
you are contributing to your children and grandchildren to be forever in debt.
The deficit is going to rise trillions of dollars and it seems people like you could
care less because you want a Republican President at all cost. Be careful what you
wish for son.

Rebublican Motto: Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.

[Tully Mars]

Well guys, HillaryC is now on my ignore list. I have made too many friends here and enjoy this site too much to allow someone like her to continually raise my ire. I am sure that she will provide some mean-spirited and baseless comment to this post. Guess what, I won't see it because she is being ignored. I appreciate everyone's friendship here and don't want anything that I might say to or about her to tarnish your view of me. I apologize if I have offended any of you (other than her) in the last day or so.


Time to move on.:-D

[HillaryC]

Waaaa Waaaaaa Waaaaa :smt039 :smt041

[colin]

Hillary, we could go on for days like this, enough is enough, move on!

[beggingforrelief]

Hillary, you talk about good ole' George W. tooling around his ranch in a pick-up (american made no doubt). What are you driving, a black jaguar?

[HillaryC]

not that it's any of your business, but I drive a toyota sienna.
It has lots of room, in case Tully and Hubby want to go for a ride.
Tully where do you live? Maybe we could carpool to save Gas!
After spending some time with me, Tully may crossover to the other side.

[ynotme297]

wooo,wooo, sounds like an invite. be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

[lamarrebel]

not that it's any of your business, but I drive a toyota sienna.
It has lots of room, in case Tully and Hubby want to go for a ride.
Tully where do you live? Maybe we could carpool to save Gas!
After spending some time with me, Tully may crossover to the other side.

Oh, yes buying a Japanese Import...now you are a true American! For the record, I drive a paid for 1999 Chrevolet Cavalier...in the true Dave Ramsey tradition, it gets me where I need to go and being married I have no need to impress anyone. I will not make myself suffer with another car note -- EVER!

[HillaryC]

Oh, yes buying a Japanese Import...now you are a true American! For the record, I drive a paid for 1999 Chrevolet Cavalier...in the true Dave Ramsey tradition, it gets me where I need to go and being married I have no need to impress anyone. I will not make myself suffer with another car note -- EVER!


OH, GOOD ONE HUBBY. SO, YOU REALLY LOVE YOUR MEXICIAN MADE CHEVY?
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[lamarrebel]

Last time I checked, Ohio where my Chevy was built hasn't been invaded by Mexico (at least not yet). I'm sure many of the parts put into Nissans, the new San Antonio Toyota plant, BMW, and other foreign owned auto manufacturing companies have parts that were made in Mexico too. Your post really doesn't make sense. And does your potshot at Mexico now mean that the Democrats are ceding the Hispanic vote -- most of whom are culturally conservtive like the Republican platform?

Can our conservative masses please put Ms. Hillary over -10 rep and out of our collective miseries?

[AlphaMale]

I hate to agree with Hillary, but there is no (All American made) car anymore. GM, Ford, Chrysler all have huge plants in Europe, Mexico, Canada etc.... A large majority of GM engines are built in Canada. If you crunched the numbers you'd probably find just as many GM autos build overseas as in America.

[Tully Mars]

I do agree with your point AlphaMale. For better or worse our economy is becoming increasingly global in nature. Inversely, as we all know, there are many 'foreign' cars that are made in the good ole USA such as Nissan and Mercedes. If I remember correctly I saw a news article today that said Kia is considering a US based plant. The lines are increasingly blurred.

[R1ZOOM]

If I remember correctly I saw a news article today that said Kia is considering a US based plant. The lines are increasingly blurred.

Yes, they are actually looking at Mississippi for a possible plant location. Gov. Barbour is on an Asian economic development trip right now, and he has met with the Kia officials a good bit according to the Clarion Ledger.

http://clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050809/BIZ/508090361/1002

[lamarrebel]

I do agree with your point AlphaMale. For better or worse our economy is becoming increasingly global in nature. Inversely, as we all know, there are many 'foreign' cars that are made in the good ole USA such as Nissan and Mercedes. If I remember correctly I saw a news article today that said Kia is considering a US based plant. The lines are increasingly blurred.

I agree entirely Tully and this breed of 'foreign' auto plants it is not a bad thing. The Nissan plant in Canton is creating thousands of well paying jobs for Mississippians, just as other foreign owneed auto plants have in Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina and now Texas. While I would never purchase a new foreign auto, I have bought a used Nissan and was pleased with its performance until I finally sold it with well over 200,000 miles.

Looks it this afternoon has been quiet....